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Kaneohe til the end
01-12-2009, 07:49 PM
i decided i hate friction tuners. end of story.
i bought new grover geared tuners, and i run into a slight speed bump. youll see what i mean. yes, those are glasses.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/kaneohegrown/HPIM0327-1.jpg
the new "seat" as i have been calling it, is too big for the original hole. is it safe to sand down or should i take it to a shop and have the hole widened?

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
01-13-2009, 08:07 AM
Good upgrade. Judging by the bushing you are showing, the Grovers you have seem to be of the open geared variety. In the shop these holes would commonly be enlargened with a hand reamer. You need to go up to 23/64" or slightly smaller than 3/8". I really wouldn't use a drill bit for doing this as the bit might grab in the hole and take a chunk out of the wood. Luthier reamers for doing this are expensive-about $45. In lieu of a reamer I think you can do an adequate job of enlargening the holes with a simple rat tail wood file available at any hardware store. The bushings are press-fit. If you get the hole too large, simply apply a very small drop of white glue to the bushing when installing.
BTW, I love all the holes in the headstock. What the ****?

uluapoundr
01-13-2009, 10:21 AM
Kaneohe,
I've tinkered around a bit with changing out friction tuners for geared ones. What I failed to check was the height of the string post. The friction tuners I had were very short in comparision to the grover tuners, so, when I installed the grover tuners, the string height was too high and did not apply any pressure on the nut. Since I had already drilled out the hole (yes, drill bits pull chunks off), I couldn't return to the friction tuners unless I refilled and redrilled the holes. I searched for geared tuners with a shorter string post with no luck.

I've had grover friction tuners on a few of my ukes and found that in time, they start slipping and the only way to keep them from slipping would be to replace the fiber washer or tighten the screw so tight that restringing was a workout.

Switching over to geared tuners has been wonderful for keeping my ukes in tune. It does add significant weight to the head, which some people dislike. For me it's a good tradeoff.

Kaneohe til the end
01-13-2009, 10:26 AM
BTW, I love all the holes in the headstock. What the ****?

Kamaka gave this to my grandpa after his HFD unit responded to a fire at the factory. I don't know what happened, but my gramps or someone else tried to convert it to a 6 string. So there was 6 tuning pegs, but only 4 pegs in the bridge. MGM cleaned it up and filled the extra 2 holes with wax.

E-Lo Roberts
01-13-2009, 10:27 AM
ulu, why not just cut the top of the tuner posts off and drill a new hole using a drill press at the correct position? Also, use a grinder or file and round off the sharp cut at the top of the posts. Then, you'd be good to go...e.lo.......

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
01-13-2009, 11:00 AM
Wax!!! That's a new one on me.
Ulua Pounder, I have long and short posts for the Grover open geared tuners if you need.

uluapoundr
01-13-2009, 12:41 PM
E-Lo, I thought of cutting and redrilling but gave up before even trying. Didn't want to mess perfectly good tuners.

Chuck, we'll see, this tenor has issues. It was a 6 string which had too narrow of a neck for all the strings, came with no saddle, the finish started wearing to the wood on the neck, and the top is bowing. I made a new nut, redrilled the bridge, made a saddle, resprayed the finish, and chopped off two tuners, now it's a 4-string. Did a shoddy job at all of this but the uke was already unplayable. I'll stick to playing, and not building/tweaking.

Kaneohe, keep us updated on your tuner upgrade.

Kaneohe til the end
01-13-2009, 01:24 PM
E-Lo, I thought of cutting and redrilling but gave up before even trying. Didn't want to mess perfectly good tuners.

Chuck, we'll see, this tenor has issues. It was a 6 string which had too narrow of a neck for all the strings, came with no saddle, the finish started wearing to the wood on the neck, and the top is bowing. I made a new nut, redrilled the bridge, made a saddle, resprayed the finish, and chopped off two tuners, now it's a 4-string. Did a shoddy job at all of this but the uke was already unplayable. I'll stick to playing, and not building/tweaking.

Kaneohe, keep us updated on your tuner upgrade.

Will do, I think this is going to my weekend project. I definitely should check the posts as well, to see if they're too big. I would have never thought of that on my own.

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
01-13-2009, 02:44 PM
Uluapoundr, You ever have humbug with you ukes, bring 'em by the shop for repair. I work for fish you know!

E-Lo Roberts
01-13-2009, 04:07 PM
Ulua, I just remembered. I have some mini grovers that are a bit too short for one of my custom ukes I built. Maybe we could just trade...e.lo...

uluapoundr
01-13-2009, 05:01 PM
Uluapoundr, You ever have humbug with you ukes, bring 'em by the shop for repair. I work for fish you know!


Ha! I'll get you some fish either way. Thanks for the offer, this uke is a mess. I'd be embarassed to show you what I did ;). I'll visit you, but will leave the credit card at home...for now.

Kaneohe til the end
01-13-2009, 09:15 PM
Ha! I'll get you some fish either way. Thanks for the offer, this uke is a mess. I'd be embarassed to show you what I did ;). I'll visit you, but will leave the credit card at home...for now.

imagine how much fish it would take for one of his ukes. you cant get that much fish if you circle oahu.

Kekani
01-13-2009, 09:58 PM
"Put an inlay over it and we'll call it a custom. . ." Rick Turner (to Larry Robinson).

Just think about what can be done. MGM should know better.
http://www.ukuleleunderground.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8533

uluapoundr
01-13-2009, 11:40 PM
imagine how much fish it would take for one of his ukes. you cant get that much fish if you circle oahu.

Actually fish prices are quite high right now so if I get out on the boat, catch a couple 100 lb ahi that would get me about $800 which could be my downpayment. I also got crab shoulders, calamari rings, scallops, and head on shrimp in the freezer, that might get me a case, ha! Seriously though, sharing fish, mangos, lychee, and vegetables from the garden is the island way, whether it be in exchange for uke repair, or just spreading aloha!

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
01-14-2009, 07:03 AM
I also got crab shoulders

Shoots, and thought I had problems!

Kanaka916
01-14-2009, 07:40 AM
Shoots, times like dis, I wish was back dea . . .

Kaneohe til the end
01-14-2009, 07:54 AM
Actually fish prices are quite high right now so if I get out on the boat, catch a couple 100 lb ahi that would get me about $800 which could be my downpayment. I also got crab shoulders, calamari rings, scallops, and head on shrimp in the freezer, that might get me a case, ha! Seriously though, sharing fish, mangos, lychee, and vegetables from the garden is the island way, whether it be in exchange for uke repair, or just spreading aloha!

I still don't think you could catch that much on oahu. Last couple times my dad and I went we only caught a couple small papio, which is better than nothing. That's probably my favorite fish, good fight, good to eat.

But you're so right, were lucky to live hawaii. My whole neighborhood knows each other and its pretty much all old japanese people, so almost everyday someone brings something by, azukigohan, papayas, bananas, mangos, fish etc.

MGM
01-14-2009, 06:25 PM
Chuck this was an inexpensive repair to make it work as a four string. I o\put wax in the holes to fill the void and not filler or wood...one because we we talking inexpensive and it can be removed if a real repair to it wanted to be done such as headtock recapping etc. I'd say getting the frets redressed new friction tuners, new strings and nut adjustment and a complete body refinish for 30.00 is fair....LOL

Kaneohe til the end
01-17-2009, 10:42 PM
so, as promised, this is the final product. some wood glue was used, but it turned out okay. looks a little weird, but very functional and now i can tune it without getting mad.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/kaneohegrown/HPIM0328.jpg

Kekani
01-17-2009, 11:26 PM
You got your strings on the wrong side of the post.

You'll need to know this, especially if you end up stringing in your new job?

cashew
01-18-2009, 06:03 AM
You got your strings on the wrong side of the post.

You'll need to know this, especially if you end up stringing in your new job?

Actually, this is important... you gotta put them on the right way or, you can shoot your nut across the room or slip your strings out of your grooves, as the tensions arent sitting right...

Kaneohe til the end
01-18-2009, 12:19 PM
You got your strings on the wrong side of the post.

You'll need to know this, especially if you end up stringing in your new job?

my brother strung it while i was at work. i never even noticed until you said it. thanks!

wickedwahine11
01-24-2009, 10:08 AM
so, as promised, this is the final product. some wood glue was used, but it turned out okay. looks a little weird, but very functional and now i can tune it without getting mad.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/kaneohegrown/HPIM0328.jpg

Looks good. I've been thinking about replacing the gold Grover geared tuners on my Kanile'a with the chrome. I was going to do it in May at the Kanile'a factory but I'm getting antsy.

May I ask...where did you get these? I keep seeing ones with black or white buttons but not the solid chrome ones.

Kaneohe til the end
01-24-2009, 01:58 PM
May I ask...where did you get these? I keep seeing ones with black or white buttons but not the solid chrome ones.

heres the link (http://www.ukuleleworld.com/tuning-pegs-tuning-machines/)

just watch out though, as mentioned earlier, make sure the "seat" fits inside the hole snug (an easy fix), watch the post height (if its to high you have to try return them and get new ones). also before you put them on, check the screwholes on the tuning pegs themselves. in the ones i got, the holes were unevenly drilled, so my dad had to fix that.

but definitely worth the upgrade. if i were you though, i would go with the more expensive tuning pegs, probably better and more consistent quality.

Kaneohe til the end
01-24-2009, 02:02 PM
also, the pegs in the bridge keep popping out and flying across the room. http://www.ukuleleunderground.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8881 can a peg bridge be switched to a tiebar?

Harold O.
01-24-2009, 07:05 PM
My buddy Scott's zebra-wood Vineyard goes out of tune way too easy and we're thinking he might benefit from a friction-to-machine tuner change over. Jeez, it can't be THAT hard...

Harold O.

thejumpingflea
01-25-2009, 11:23 AM
I really want to change my Kamaka's friction tuners to geared. I just really don't want to take a chance and mess up.

Is there a measurement I can take without dismantling the pegs?

Kaneohe til the end
01-25-2009, 11:31 AM
I really want to change my Kamaka's friction tuners to geared. I just really don't want to take a chance and mess up.

Is there a measurement I can take without dismantling the pegs?

Taking the pegs off isn't difficult, just be sure to remember which order the washers etc go in. After buying the new machines, line em up against the side of the headstock, you should be able to compare it to the original pegs. Keep us updated!

acabooe
01-26-2009, 11:49 AM
Hey Kane'ohe
If you want to try to make the holes bigger your self, you can get a "plumbers Reamer" at Sears for $10.
If you do that, check often when widening the hole. You want it to be slightly snug when you push the bushings in.
Aloha
Bob

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koa
02-09-2009, 04:57 PM
A bit of thread drift. An option to friction tuners and geared tuners are a set of PegHeds. 4:1 planetary type of tuner. Very smooth operating, very light weight. Flat black finish that looks like ebony. Refitted the KoAlohas. Real easy install if you can find a reamer. Tapered shape allows for custom post height above the faceplate. Self tapping threads on the tuners lock them in tight and if needed allow for easy removal. Made in the USA by a small one man shop, high quality machined parts means a bit of $. Last set of 4 tuners I purchased was $80.