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    Quote Originally Posted by bunnyf View Post
    Politics has many guises. Music is one of them. Politics and religion are volatile subjects that are wisely off limits on THIS forum. Certainly discussions and music about politics are a good thing...elsewhere.
    It is my opinion that John Lennon did more to stop the war in Viet Nam than all the politicians rolled together.
    War is over if you want it... Give peace a chance. Never underestimate the power of music to change the mindset
    of a generation. Bob Dylan and Woody Guthrie also sang protest songs. They had a message for politicians and for
    religious leaders... mostly warnings, and the words resonated with many millions even though they were only directed
    at a specific few.

    As it stands I only sing the song and leave it as it stands, and I find that it is always others that drag in the religion
    or the politics and try and get me banned because I have offended their sensibilities. I get blamed for breaking the rules
    where the truth of the matter is that it is the message affronts and therefore has to be silenced. The self righteous will
    always invoke the rules and the law, and make appeals to a higher authority to meet out justice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wee_ginga_yin View Post
    As it stands I only sing the song and leave it as it stands, and I find that it is always others that drag in the religion or the politics and try and get me banned because I have offended their sensibilities. I get blamed for breaking the rules where the truth of the matter is that it is the message affronts and therefore has to be silenced. The self righteous will always invoke the rules and the law, and make appeals to a higher authority to meet out justice.
    Putting in a subtitle w/ a particular political point of view does the job of dragging in politics. Righteousness and self righteousness might be a matter of point of view. Your "truth" and mine are not necessarily the same. That's why I think it's a good idea to leave politics and religion out of this forum. There are plenty of other places to make your truth known.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountain goat View Post
    Utterly agreed. Art has many guises. Music is one of them. The day we censor the creative spirit is one we should all be afraid of.
    Political correctness is killing the western world.
    This is awesome wee. Take a bow.
    "Great is truth, but still greater, from a practical point of view, is silence about truth" .... Aldous Huxley "Brave New World". And, yes ... I'll shut up!!!! (I could not agree more, Rob and Jon, we should be able to express our opinions through music as much as through any other art form and it surely doesn't have to develop into an argument. The PC world is incredibly bland!) And, yes, now I really WILL shut up!!!
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    Eight More Years

    The socialists whine and the communists cry
    They wail their upheaval in song
    If political notions be unwanted here
    Add rhythm, then all sing along

    Lke children, they scream
    and forward their memes
    In language extreme
    …8 more years, did they dream…

    That failure of leadership, hopes and ideals
    Audacity, blame and oppression
    Used race to call shame to the brotherly land
    Used might as a tool for suppression

    …8 more years did they dream…

    The Messiah is gone, does he still strike the match
    In an effort to flame a rebellion?
    Are opposing ideals free to all men
    In a freely contested election?

    …8 more years, did they dream…

    Obama, oh god, there’s a thrill up my leg!
    A living, breathing Saint!
    But Trump is a Nazi, a Hitler re-born
    And all the things he ain’t

    …8 more years, did they dream…

    Political speech, is it free to us all?
    Some are more equal than others
    The left just exudes sanctimonious pride
    Screw the views of their sisters and brothers!

    …8 more years, did they dream…
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    Quote Originally Posted by bunnyf View Post
    Social conscience is one thing. Political sniping is another.
    This is not true. Political sniping has been at the heart of artistic expression since the very beginnings of politics. The two are inextricable. You're not supposed to like an artwork's perspective, just experience it. We, in the music and other artistic worlds must, without exception, defend the artist's right, need, and responsibility to express her/himself. ALWAYS. This principle cannot be hindered without destroying the entire construct of the artistic world. When an artist's expression emits an emotional response, that's a good thing. That's the whole idea. A song is not about notes and words. It's expression, and nothing else. If all paintings were rainbows and all songs love songs, there would be no art whatsoever. bunnyf, I hope that's not what you want.
    You don't have to agree with the "politics" of the artwork, just experience it.
    If everybody wanted peace instead of another TV, then there would be peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevepetergal View Post
    This is not true. Political sniping has been at the heart of artistic expression....If all paintings were rainbows and all songs love songs, there would be no art whatsoever. bunnyf, I hope that's not what you want.
    You don't have to agree with the "politics" of the artwork, just experience it.
    Speaking in general terms, as I said in previous remarks, it is not my objection that artists express themselves in whatever way they are moved. I do question the appropriateness of doing so in the context of this forum. More specifically, I am tired of the Trump bashing (he was not my candidate) that I've seen on this forum. Putting up the video "Give me some truth" was great. Adding remarks directing it at Trump, however, was political commentary which I thought was not appropriate for THIS forum...FINE elsewhere. I doubt it would fly, if it were six months ago and anti-Hilary. It's a slippery slope and one that I foolishly believed we were trying to avoid on this UKULELE forum by having a rule not to discuss religion or politics. Apparently, not so. Some folks feel compelled to put out their political view on this forum (not just in song, but in the commentary connected with or following the post), as if this was the only place to express those views. What's wrong with leaving those views off UU and just express them freely
    EVERYWHERE else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bunnyf View Post
    What's wrong with leaving those views off UU and just express them freely EVERYWHERE else?
    What's wrong is, if we demand that ginga leave his views off the forum, we must also insist you keep yours out. I urge you to ask ginga if he wants that. I'd bet he doesn't. I know I don't.

    Maybe you're right, bunnyf. But, I hope not. This is a very slippery slope.
    Saying the forum is not the place for artistic expression is leaning toward banning music/art from the forum. You can't say music is alright if it says this, but not that. There is no place to draw that line. John Lennon's original version of "Give Me Some Truth" says "yellow-bellied son of Trick Dicky". He was predicting all the politicians we see today, including Trump. So, although you say that version would be alright, by your own standard it must be banned, as well. That scares me.
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    If there is no place t draw the line, then why have a rule to not discuss politics and religion on this forum?

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    Again I say, bunnyf, you may be right. But if discussion and artistic expression are the same thing, I've been grievously misinformed!
    Last edited by stevepetergal; 04-24-2017 at 01:02 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bunnyf View Post
    If there is no place t draw the line, then why have a rule to not discuss politics and religion on this forum?
    Ginga played a song and posted it.
    bunnyf started a discussion about politics.
    bunny, do you see the problem the moderators have? They want to keep the site musical and they want discussions about politics out.
    I'm the first to admit that there have been thread discussions in which I was the bad guy, too.
    If everybody wanted peace instead of another TV, then there would be peace.
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