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    Quote Originally Posted by stevepetergal View Post
    Ginga played a song and posted it.
    bunnyf started a discussion about politics.
    In the past I have posted Deportees by a song by Woody Guthrie
    which deals with shipping illegal immigrants back to Mexico and the
    song is based on a real story of how they died in a plane crash.
    In my opinion a song is just a song which expresses an idea.
    Not everyone will agree with the idea expressed in the song.

    "The crops are all in and the peaches are rott'ning,
    The oranges piled in their creosote dumps"

    At its heart the song protests the ill treatment of migrant workers and also
    at the time, government policies which paid farmers to destroy their crops in
    order to keep farm production and prices high.

    I ask myself what if Guthrie were alive today and posted a song to the ukulele
    underground about deporting Mexicans... would he be shouted down and told
    to keep his politics away from the forum.

    The people with a real political agenda have a vested interest in silencing any kind of protest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevepetergal View Post
    Ginga played a song and posted it.
    bunnyf started a discussion about politics.
    bunny, do you see the problem the moderators have? They want to keep the site musical and they want discussions about politics out.
    I'm the first to admit that there have been thread discussions in which I was the bad guy, too.
    You really need to be honest with yourself. The purpose of Ginga's song is to make a political statement, thus began the topic of politics in this thread. To suggest that none ought to respond to an obvious political dig because that begins a political discussion in this forum is silly. The political discussion began when the song was posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wee_ginga_yin View Post
    In the past I have posted Deportees by a song by Woody Guthrie
    which deals with shipping illegal immigrants back to Mexico and the
    song is based on a real story of how they died in a plane crash.
    In my opinion a song is just a song which expresses an idea.
    Not everyone will agree with the idea expressed in the song.

    "The crops are all in and the peaches are rott'ning,
    The oranges piled in their creosote dumps"

    At its heart the song protests the ill treatment of migrant workers and also
    at the time, government policies which paid farmers to destroy their crops in
    order to keep farm production and prices high.

    I ask myself what if Guthrie were alive today and posted a song to the ukulele
    underground about deporting Mexicans... would he be shouted down and told
    to keep his politics away from the forum.

    The people with a real political agenda have a vested interest in silencing any kind of protest.
    I haven't read the rules regarding politics in this forum, and I really don't care, so I won't argue your right to post what you wish. That is entirely up to the moderators. But you should not expect that you won't receive push-back against your overt political messages. As difficult as it may be for you to believe, there are many who will disagree with your views.

    And yes, I believe illegal aliens ought to be deported. We should send them all to Finland.
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    Make America Uke Again If I don't agree with these modern protest songs, I just hum or play the Snowflake Song on my uke, and all is well.

    Last edited by Ukecaster; 04-25-2017 at 07:15 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikemech View Post
    You really need to be honest with yourself. The purpose of Ginga's song is to make a political statement, thus began the topic of politics in this thread. To suggest that none ought to respond to an obvious political dig because that begins a political discussion in this forum is silly. The political discussion began when the song was posted.
    What bemuses me is the fact that those that would want to concentrate on Ukulele music
    being posted to the links forum, rarely if ever post any ukulele music, yet they object to others
    who do post some ukulele music, so the only conclusion that I can come to is that their own political
    views colours what type of music is to be allowed or disallowed.

    If we consider the civil rights movement in America, that was a protest movement which was galvanised
    by the singing of Spirituals and Gospel songs.
    "We shall not be moved"
    "Before I'll be a slave I'll be buried in my grave"
    "We shall overcome"
    "Oh Freedom"


    I bet a pound to a penny that someone on UU has covered some of
    those songs and not a whisper was said against them, and at their
    heart they are very political songs.

    I rest my case and I think I have said enough. Time to move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wee_ginga_yin View Post
    What bemuses me is the fact that those that would want to concentrate on Ukulele music
    being posted to the links forum, rarely if ever post any ukulele music, yet they object to others
    who do post some ukulele music, so the only conclusion that I can come to is that their own political
    views colours what type of music is to be allowed or disallowed.

    If we consider the civil rights movement in America, that was a protest movement which was galvanised
    by the singing of Spirituals and Gospel songs.
    "We shall not be moved"
    "Before I'll be a slave I'll be buried in my grave"
    "We shall overcome"
    "Oh Freedom"


    I bet a pound to a penny that someone on UU has covered some of
    those songs and not a whisper was said against them, and at their
    heart they are very political songs.


    I rest my case and I think I have said enough. Time to move on.
    If someone were to perform an American spiritual or gospel song related to the civil rights movement and then claim that Trump wants to enslave the African-American population, I would likely speak more than a whisper against that view.

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    Ask NOT what your country can do for Uke...ask what Uke can do for your country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bunnyf View Post
    Politics has many guises. Music is one of them. Politics and religion are volatile subjects that are wisely off limits on THIS forum. Certainly discussions and music about politics are a good thing...elsewhere.
    You're right. This is exactly the standard we must use when fellow members post gospel or religious hymns and those of us who don't believe in the performer's god or messiah will post "Good job", "Excellent singing" or even "I love this song. Thanks for posting". Some might not respond at all. I will listen, express my appreciation, and never argue with your views. I don't want to ban music written/performed for the glory of a god in which I do not believe. How can we ban music written/performed with political inspiration that insults my/your sensibilities? That would be wrong. The music is allowed. The argument about its' message is not. UU has a very good policy. Let's follow it, bunnyf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevepetergal View Post
    You're right....The music is allowed. The argument about its' message is not. UU has a very good policy. Let's follow it, bunnyf.
    The music was not out there on its own. It was connected to a political comment in the initial post.

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