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    Quote Originally Posted by maki66 View Post
    Wouldn't the change of angle be infinitesimal?
    Yes, it would, and according to sample measurements on my ukes, it's not even true that the fretboard edge margin with respect to the outer strings remains parallel, constant; rather, in every case it flared out slightly, so widening the spacing a trifle at the nut wouldn't have the feared effect of over-narrowing the edge margin higher up the neck. But best to measure your uke first, just in case; fortunately, predicting the impact of a change just requires careful measurement and basic math (not even geometry).
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevepetergal View Post
    I wouldn't do this. The strings are spaced at the bridge, as they are at the nut, for a wider neck. So, the strings would not be parallel to the edges of the neck. This may cause no difficulties, although it may. You might wish to set up an instrument this way and it may work okay. But it will never be optimal. I will choose one or the other for each instrument.
    I see your point and yes, it's correct to be cautious. However in practice the best way forward isn't necessarily to stay with 'as built' and 'as built' configurations vary both in accuracy and design features; 'as built' might be more about looks and standards than possible performance so it's validity for your use is worth questioning.

    My Kala KA-P has a replacement nut fitted with the strings spaced out to 30mm there, that change has been totally problem free and made that Uke more enjoyable for me to use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maki66 View Post
    Wouldn't the change of angle be infinitesimal?
    Yes, I even said in my post that "This may cause no difficulties..." but ask your luthier if he/she calculates these measurements precisely. I'm sure the builders want the strings and the fret board edges to taper in parallel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strumsilly View Post
    Just measured some of my ukes as this thread got me curious. My Koaloha tenor measured 1.5. My cheap Kmise tenor 1 3/8. The string spacing is exactly the same at the nut, 3/8. The Koaloha just has more at the sides, which I like, it helps prevent roll off. A vintage Sherwood [Gretch] soprano also has a 1.5 neck [almost] with the same string spacing.
    That is an interesting observation.I wonder how many people are playing a uke with a 1.5" neck because they think that they are getting more space for their fingers, but really aren't ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rllink View Post
    That is an interesting observation.I wonder how many people are playing a uke with a 1.5" neck because they think that they are getting more space for their fingers, but really aren't ?
    Good question. I dont have an answer Reminds me of the phrase 'perception is reality'...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rllink View Post
    That is an interesting observation.I wonder how many people are playing a uke with a 1.5" neck because they think that they are getting more space for their fingers, but really aren't ?
    This question can be answered by a set of calipers, which are very affordable.
    Maybe we should start a data base?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Booli View Post
    Good question. I dont have an answer Reminds me of the phrase 'perception is reality'...
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    I did a quick measure with a measuring tape. Not as precise as calibers, but ballpark. The string spacing on my 1.5 inch nut tenor and my 1 3/8 concert are the same at the 1 fret and 5th fret. Must be the overall size difference from concert to tenor that made me "feel" like the spacing was wider???? Perception vs reality.....interesting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RafterGirl View Post
    I did a quick measure with a measuring tape. Not as precise as calibers, but ballpark. The string spacing on my 1.5 inch nut tenor and my 1 3/8 concert are the same at the 1 fret and 5th fret. Must be the overall size difference from concert to tenor that made me "feel" like the spacing was wider???? Perception vs reality.....interesting!
    yes - maybe there's some kind of magic spell or hypnotic effect from the bling of a certain uke being so 'shiny' that the visuals can convince us that everything else is 'improved'... like a specific kind of confirmation bias...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rllink View Post
    That is an interesting observation.I wonder how many people are playing a uke with a 1.5" neck because they think that they are getting more space for their fingers, but really aren't ?
    A lot. I was surprised to find that both my KoAloha and my Islander and Lanikai wide-nut tenors have string spacing in the standard width range (27mm, 28mm and 28mm, respectively). Some other of my wider-nut ukes have only 29mm instead of 30mm.

    In contrast, Ponos and Gretsches, with standard width nuts, have a wide fan-out at the saddle (45-46mm), meaning that as you move up the fretboard, your string spacing gets wider than on wider-nut ukes, yet how many of these supposedly reach-sensitive folk ever seem to notice? I've only seen a couple folks comment on how wide the spacing feels going up the neck on a Kamoa (48mm at the saddle, the widest fan-out I've encountered), whereas a couple thought it was wide on a KoAloha, which comes in at a modest 41mm.

    Quote Originally Posted by maki66 View Post
    This question can be answered by a set of calipers, which are very affordable.
    Maybe we should start a data base?
    I just use a rectangular string action ruler—more affordable still. I like that it reads out in either inches or cm/mm.

    Unfortunately, there isn't great consistency within each model or its sizes, much less within a brand, and people measure with different methods and degrees of accuracy, so keeping a database would quickly get messy.

    I suggested to BazMaz that he start including the string spacings at nut and saddle in his reviews, these being more relevant to players than nut width, but he's not been obliging.

    Quote Originally Posted by Booli View Post
    Reminds me of the phrase 'perception is reality'... [...] ... like a specific kind of confirmation bias...
    After looking at the various metrics involved, I know this is surely the case, for myself as well as others. The impact on "reach" gets particularly over-exaggerated: even with small hands, it's at most a 6% increase, more usually 3-4%; while those same folks overlook the advantages with clustered and awkward fingerings and cleaner play (up to 11% more room). Children manage quite well on standard necks, where the size difference between their hands and an adult "small" hand is much greater than 6%. It's valid to have a preference based on reach, but I think it's mostly throwing the baby out with the bathwater—the reach advantage you get staying narrower is appreciably less than the playing advantages you get going with a wider string spacing—and anyway it turns out there's more of a continuum of spacings than a discrete jump (from 27mm to 31.5mm), so the savvy buyer can choose a suitable compromise. My Mainland concert has a 29mm spacing, equivalent to or greater than the spacing on half of my wider-nut ukes, yet I've heard no one complain about reach problems on a Mainland. And I mentioned above about Ponos and their fan-out, which also typically goes unremarked. Expectations often override objective input in shaping our experiences.
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