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    Default single wound low G advice very specific question . . .

    So I have a new Godin MultiUke (tenor, 17" scale) that I'll convert to low G, and an old UU thread featured Andrew K. (HMS/TUS) explaining (see here) that a wound .032 inch diameter string is the way to go.

    I found three D'Addarios that seem to qualify, but their string tension varies:

    Single EXP Coated 80/20 Bronze Wound 032 in. / 27.860 lb. tension

    Single EXP Coated Phosphor Bronze Wound 032 inch / 28.730 lb. tension

    Single 80/20 Bronze Wound 032 inch / 29.010 lb. tension

    He also mentioned that the .030 Fremont lacked sufficient tension (for optimal intonation). It's described as "medium tension" on the HMS site and elsewhere I couldn't find a specific tension number.

    Does one (or two) of those strings seem like a better fit? Or should I just buy all three and see what happens?

    And/or are there options in addition to D'Addarios?
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    where are you getting those numbers for 29-29 lbs of string tension, and for which scale length.

    A FULL SET of 4 strings on a soprano is usually not more than 28 lbs of tension so for one string, your numbers might be off...


    Most classical guitar for 25.5" scale or 650mm scale will have string tension near 11-15 lbs per string depending upon if it is wound or unwound, and about 80-90 lb total string tension for the whole set of 6 strings....

    ~27+ lbs of string tension for a SINGLE string on uke for nylon type strings or classical strings seems dangerous to me for a standard uke, even for the chambered solid-body MultiUke. Even an electric guitar E4 STEEL string usually has no more than 23-25 lbs of tension, and that is on a Strat scale of 25.5" or 650mm.

    For ukulele, I've found the Thomastik-Infeld CF30 chrome flatwound classical guitar string to be really great and has about 11-12lbs of tension which is what you'd need to have in order to approach decent intonation possibility.

    The Thomastik chrome flatwound strings are onsidered high-tension, AND to be just perfect for any time I wanted a low-G and also consider it to be significantly smoother than the Fremont Soloist, and with near-zero string noise.

    stringsbymail.com sells these as single strings - just search for CF30 and you will find them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveY View Post
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    And/or are there options in addition to D'Addarios?
    D'Addario is but only one of 33 different string makers listed on Strings by Mail for classical guitar, see here:

    https://www.stringsbymail.com/classi...tar-strings-1/

    Each of the 33 string makers has MANY sets each, there are maybe 500 total possible choices of string sets, and many more if only looking at string singles....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Booli View Post
    where are you getting those numbers for 29-29 lbs of string tension, and for which scale length.

    A FULL SET of 4 strings on a soprano is usually not more than 28 lbs of tension so for one string, your numbers might be off...


    Most classical guitar for 25.5" scale or 650mm scale will have string tension near 11-15 lbs per string depending upon if it is wound or unwound, and about 80-90 lb total string tension for the whole set of 6 strings....

    ~27+ lbs of string tension for a SINGLE string on uke for nylon type strings or classical strings seems dangerous to me for a standard uke, even for the chambered solid-body MultiUke. Even an electric guitar E4 STEEL string usually has no more than 23-25 lbs of tension, and that is on a Strat scale of 25.5" or 650mm.

    For ukulele, I've found the Thomastik-Infeld CF30 chrome flatwound classical guitar string to be really great and has about 11-12lbs of tension which is what you'd need to have in order to approach decent intonation possibility.

    The Thomastik chrome flatwound strings are onsidered high-tension, AND to be just perfect for any time I wanted a low-G and also consider it to be significantly smoother than the Fremont Soloist, and with near-zero string noise.

    stringsbymail.com sells these as single strings - just search for CF30 and you will find them...
    Agreed. The Thomastik C27 and C30 wound strings are great, and the combination of wound G and C is just about perfect, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Booli View Post
    where are you getting those numbers for 29-29 lbs of string tension, and for which scale length.
    I should have mentioned that these are all guitar strings . . . which I now suspect might be a problem. But I know of people using four guitar strings for their ukes.

    The info came from the D'Addario website.

    Quote Originally Posted by Booli View Post
    Each of the 33 string makers has MANY sets each, there are maybe 500 total possible choices of string sets, and many more if only looking at string singles....
    (Oh, crap . . . I might just take up the piccolo instead.)

    Actually, thanks for the reply. Should I just try those three guitar strings? It's the D string on each of them.
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    . . . and I think it can be narrowed down to .032 in. strings, as that's what was recommended for this particular uke, in order to keep the intonation correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveY View Post
    I found three D'Addarios that seem to qualify, but their string tension varies:

    Single EXP Coated 80/20 Bronze Wound 032 in. / 27.860 lb. tension

    Single EXP Coated Phosphor Bronze Wound 032 inch / 28.730 lb. tension

    Single 80/20 Bronze Wound 032 inch / 29.010 lb. tension
    Those are steel strings. I don't think they are what you want. Check classical guitar strings .
    Bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by KamakOzzie View Post
    Those are steel strings. I don't think they are what you want. Check classical guitar strings .
    Ahhh.... thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveY View Post
    I should have mentioned that these are all guitar strings . . . which I now suspect might be a problem. But I know of people using four guitar strings for their ukes.

    The info came from the D'Addario website...
    99% of the time, when folks are speaking of guitar strings on a uke they mean CLASSICAL guitar strings, which have the same tension (at uke scale and tuning) and sound profile as 'uke' strings.

    Otherwise the other 1% that are talking about using STEEL guitar strings on a uke are either woefully misinformed or just ignorant.

    STEEL guitar strings, even on the solid-body Multi-Uke is STILL a bad Idea and will likely kill your instrument from the excess tension, and the very fragile RMC piezo pickup elements in the bridge are likely not going to be happy either.

    Steel strings on an electric guitar usually START at about 130 lbs of tension for the whole set of 6 strings, nylon-type classical strings start at about 80 lbs tension for the whole set of 6 strings, and baritone uke, by comparison starts at about 45 lbs for the whole set of 4 strings and tenor uke is about 36 lbs of tension for the whole set of 4 strings.

    Part of the extra tension you might be reading about is a factor of the SCALE LENGTH of 25.5" guitars vs. the 19" or smaller scale of ukes.

    Most ukes will snap in half if you put 80+ lbs of string tension on them, and if not snap in half, the bridge is like to get pulled off, the neck to warp (despite any truss rod) and generally lack ANY resonance because at the dangerously high tension, the vibrating arc of the string is likely to be small, and therefore transfer very little kinetic energy to the saddle and then the soundboard, and in the end the uke will be quiet -- yes EVEN the MultiUke since all the energy comes from string vibration...

    If you are using ANYTHING other than CLASSICAL GUITAR or UKE strings, on your uke, then I am sad to inform you that whatever you saw on the D'Addario site or elsewhere, you are reading it wrong.

    Please heed my words here and dont kill your wonderful Godin MultiUke. I know what I'm talking about with regard to strings and tension.

    Please understand that I am trying to help you here. However, it's your choice to do as you please.

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    I've had the Thomastik C27 and C30 wound strings on my Godin Multiuke for 6 months love them , no need for any nut faffing .

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