Ukecaster
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...Paypal doesn't have the enforcement power of the IRS...
But UU does! No ukes for you...1 year!
...Paypal doesn't have the enforcement power of the IRS...
"Friends and Family" is the most common method for payment in all the specialized collecting communities I'm part of -- some of which regularly involve $1k plus transactions. No one I know has ever had an issue--probably due to the fact that these are small communities, well-networked, and any bad players will be blacklisted immediately.
If you can't work something like this out easily, you probably shouldn't be doing business with that person.
It’s not necessarily frauding them if you are waiving all rights to the service they provide for goods and service transactions is it? I mean that’s why you pay for the fee after all. Why is it free to give family or friends money but when you do a transaction and waive all of the service of protection it is no longer is free? What exactly are you doing differently if you waive all services of protection? Having sold 50k + on eBay and always paying all fees I don’t see why a few transactions between a few acquaintances is such a big deal. If you ask me pretty much everything is fraud depending how you look at it. Being taxed multiple times is fraud but the government makes a pretty good living out of it. I don’t understand how some places are trying to tell you that stuff you sell on eBay or Paypal must be counted as income. So if I buy an instrument and pay taxes and then turn around and sell it I have to pay taxes on it again because it is income? How is it income when you are simply making money from something you already bought with the income you already made? The whole system is fraud mate!
So, are you suggesting that defrauding Paypal is OK, or am I misreading what you wrote?
Right, forgot what I wanted to say:
IMO, UU forums should not get involved with policing these matters. If someone's an untrustworthy seller, ban them. But it's up to the buyer and seller to come to an agreement on how best to complete financial transactions.
I don't spend much time worrying about whether I'm in compliance with the TOS agreements of corporations.
Also, it's worth pointing out that there is some risk to sellers when using "Goods and Services." Once that option has been chosen, all of PayPals "buyer protections" kick in. Which... is sometimes exploited by fraudulent buyers. All they have to do is buy an item, then claim it was never received, or was "not as described" -- PayPal's default policy is to refund the money to the buyer first, then investigate later. And the burden of proof generally falls on the seller, not the buyer.
I know several sellers who have been seriously screwed by fraudulent buyers exploiting the protection policy in this way. Understandably, they no longer use the Goods and Services option.
I imagine that many have never read user agreements. I know that often you find that these are very long, filled with small print and legal jargon. Not to justify anyone's actions, but sometimes when selling you find that if you want to sell an item for XX, you will be hit with people offering less. I think that some try to make up the loss wherever they can. I know that is one reason why many sell here rather than ebay is to avoid fees, and hopefully deal with more honest interested folks. I don't know for sure, but I have not heard of many bad transactions here and every one that I have had buying or selling has been fine.
Rather than get into policing and making it more cumbersome for the moderators, perhaps they would prefer to just indicate that any transactions are between the buyer and seller, not the responsibility of the UU site and that all parties are expected to follow all appropriate laws, regulations and restrictions regarding their transaction. It falls on the shoulders of the two parties.
It really is about not having the moderators police these things or have to ban/blacklist someone over a bad transaction. Think about that for a minute. Someone is not honest and the first thing to do is contact a mod so they have to investigate what happened. Go through the whole he said, she said. Easy to talk about not policing when the situation can be just dumped on the moderators.