IamNoMan
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I always enjoy the throat singers. What is the name of the instrument the snake charmer is playing?
I was just listening to a Louis Prima recording of "Robin Hood" from the 1940s. I hadn't ever heard that tune before. There's so much stuff from that era that's new to me!
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A lot of jazz lately:
Horace Silver - Doin' The Thing Live At The Village Gate
Horace Silver - Six Pieces Of Silver
Donald Byrd - Mustang
Donald Byrd - Blackjack
Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage
I never heard of Silver or Byrd, but I think I know of Herbie Hancock. What do they all play? ld:
Horace Silver plays piano and Donald Byrd plays trumpet. Herbie Hancock plays keyboards. I like his early stuff before he went to electric keyboards, when his stuff was piano based and he was more jazz-centric. It's the same for Byrd, I like his early stuff that was jazz and not his later stuff when he went more fusion and pop.
Horace Silver was an influence on Steely Dan. You know that very distinct opening piano riff on "Rikki Don't Lose That Number"? That is a direct lift from Silvers' "Song for My Father". I think the same song may have been an influence on Steely Dan's "FM" as well, specifically the part where they sing "FM" sounds very similar to how the the trumpets end the phrase in "Song For My Father". It's kind of cool to listen and compare to hear the influences. Check out "Song For My Father" by Horace Silver on YouTube and then listen to Steely Dan's "Rikki Don't Lose My Number" and "FM" on YouTube and see if you can hear the influences. Silver's song was released in 1964. Steely Dan's were released in 1974 and 1978.
You must really be into jazz. It's a wonder that you can even find the tunes you want to hear. You must be really well versed in it too. You ever think of writing about it or somethin'? ld:
The Girl From Ipanema -- The Antonio Carlos Jobim Songbook. Great CD! Stan Getz, Sarah Vaugh, Billy Eckstine. Charlie Byrd and Astrud Gilberto just to name a few of the artists. Terrific!
A comfortable chair, a glass of wine or maybe brandy, soft lights -- ahhh . . . ld:
Just listened to Horace Silver's "Song for my father". There is no doubt in my mind that Steely Dan has pinched his riff. I'm sure Horace's family are aware of this.
I found this in an article about music plagiarism which was kind of interesting:
In a 1980 Musician magazine interview, Steely Dan co-founders Donald Fagen and Walter Becker got themselves into a bit of hot water with a sarcastic answer to a question about the title track to their new LP, Gaucho. Confronted with the overwhelming musical similarities between their song and a half-decade old tune called "Long As You Know You're Living Yours" by jazz pianist Keith Jarrett, the ironic songwriters quipped, dismissively: "We're the robber-barons of rock and roll." Fans of Steely Dan might have been charmed by Fagen and Becker's usual flair for the wisecrack, but Jarrett wasn't amused. He sued the songwriters for creative theft, and successfully earned himself a writing credit for "Gaucho."
Interestingly, this wasn't even the first time Steely Dan had self-consciously alluded to a jazz recording on one of their tracks. Listen to the opening riff of their 1974 hit, "Rikki Don't Lose That Number" back-to-back with the intro to Horace Silver's 1965 number, "Song for My Father," and you'd be hard-pressed to tell the difference between the two. But Silver didn't sue the Dan — perhaps recognizing the jazz ethos to which they claim in interview after interview. While a borrowing in rock and roll may be cause for litigation, jazz musicians frequently reference other works of music in moments of improvisation. Quoting is all part of the jazz musician's bag, and if, say, the estate of Jerome Kern sued every time a saxophone player snuck in a melodic snippet from "All the Things You Are," there'd be an endless series of copyright infringement suits showing up on dockets.