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Steveperrywriter
09-10-2014, 11:49 AM
So, I have continued my descent into the dark side of gearheadery ...

Went from the Roland Street Cube to the AC 33. A couple of quick observations ...

If you look at them side by side, you might think the Street Cube is louder and more robust, and it is built sturdier, with a grill and heavy plastic bumpers, since it was designed for street busking and being knocked around. The speakers look to be the same size, and both units can run from 110 v via DC converters, or from AA batteries. Both will run a vocal and an instrument mike at same time.

The Cube runs 2.5 watts per speaker, for a total of 5 watts. The AC 33 has 15 watts per, for a total of 30 watts. (This is plugged into external power; the batteries supposedly deliver a bit less on the 33, around 20 watts.)

Still not gonna peel the paint off the walls, but the new one has four-to-six times more wattage than the old one, depending, and is smaller and lighter weight.

Side-by-side images, SC to the left, AC 33, on the right.

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PhilUSAFRet
09-10-2014, 01:15 PM
Nice side-by-side, thanks

Steveperrywriter
09-10-2014, 01:36 PM
I looked all over, there are only a couple shots of the two side-by-side. Anybody looking at the Roland site can read the specs and tell that the Cube is wider, but I like the visuals. I would like to see the whole Roland line in a row ...

Kekani
09-10-2014, 01:50 PM
For those that truly understand sound, they realize that everything is marketed at the masses, and watts don't really mean that much when it comes to cabs. Amps, sure, they're a good reference, but again how its marketed will determine the target buyer.

Also, size of driver doesn't matter as much as most would presume.

In my research, and experience with consumer grade pro audio, efficiency and technology is where its at, not to mention application.
That said, this is a good example of why you shouldn't listen with your eyes.

I'm spoiled, so most of the combo cabs used here seem to be okay for home and practice, although personally, my gig rig is my practice rig (bass).

King David
09-10-2014, 06:41 PM
Sorry to do this to you:

http://brightcove01.brightcove.com/25/637642392001/201403/1729/637642392001_772869810002_video-still-for-video-772838832002.jpg?pubId=637642392001

New to 2014 - Roland Cube Street EX www.rolandus.com/products/details/1317/507

consitter
09-10-2014, 07:07 PM
Sorry to do this to you:

http://brightcove01.brightcove.com/25/637642392001/201403/1729/637642392001_772869810002_video-still-for-video-772838832002.jpg?pubId=637642392001

New to 2014 - Roland Cube Street EX www.rolandus.com/products/details/1317/507

You don't have to be sorry if he's wanting an acoustic amp. None of the cubes are.

The AC33 on the other hand, is. The Roland AC 60 has been what small acoustic amps have been measured up against for years, and the AC 33 is bascially a battery powered miniature version of it. Not quite as many features and lower power, but still a darn good amp for what it does and it's price point. I own one. I only got it because of the fact that it's battery powered. How much have I HAD to use it like that? Once. If I had it to do over again, I would get the AC 60. It doesn't cost that much more.

The only thing that I think is hokie about any of the Rolands is their emphasis on being 'stereo'. It doesn't matter. They've got 2 channels--woohoo. If you're more than a foot away, it doesn't matter, you won't hear the split sound anyhow. Not even concerts in huge venues have their sound in stereo. They use array speakers to broadcast sound everywhere, not just right out in front of the band.

I also have a Bose L1 Compact that is a miniature array system. I've ran my uke into my Roland to use it as a 'soundboard' so to speak, then into my bose to broadcast that evenly thoughout my 'venue', small as it may be. And, the audience doesn't have to be directly in front of me to hear the music.

Most likely more than anybody wants to know, but there it is, thrown out for all to see.

Steveperrywriter
09-10-2014, 07:39 PM
Sorry to do this to you:

http://brightcove01.brightcove.com/25/637642392001/201403/1729/637642392001_772869810002_video-still-for-video-772838832002.jpg?pubId=637642392001

New to 2014 - Roland Cube Street EX www.rolandus.com/products/details/1317/507.

Yeah, but it has bells and whistles I don't need for an acoustic, and it's five pounds heavier, six inches wider, three inches taller, and five inches deeper. I can pack the AC 33 and the pre-amp and cables and mike into a fairly small bag I can lug in one hand, with enough muscle left to carry the uke and a mike stand in the other hand. Big enough for the blues jam at the local pub. I expect if I get to a venue where I need something louder, there is apt to be a house PA I can plug into, and use the amp as a monitor.

Dan Uke
09-10-2014, 07:43 PM
If you don't need batteries, did you considered the Fishman Mini?

Kekani
09-10-2014, 08:05 PM
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Yeah, but it has bells and whistles I don't need for an acoustic, and it's five pounds heavier, six inches wider, three inches taller, and five inches deeper. I can pack the AC 33 and the pre-amp and cables and mike into a fairly small bag I can lug in one hand, with enough muscle left to carry the uke and a mike stand. Big enough for the blues jam at the local pub. I expect if I get to a venue where I need something louder, there is apt to be a house PA I can plug into, and use the amp as a monitor.

Don't play out much, do you? I've played at a few places that have PA, and don't have PA. The ones that have, sometimes suck. I actually played one that had a nice Soundcraft Mixer and JBL MRX's for mains and monitors, Crown XLS402 amps. Kicker - no eq. Good stuff, but the locale needed eq to take out the mud.

Hard Rock Cafe' has some nice equipment. Sounds like crap because they have the subs setup all wrong - split, hanging next to the line array tops on opposite ends of the stage, about 20', give or take. We were sitting right in the middle of the power alley and going deaf with the bass. Two tables over was the typical comb, with no bass whatsoever. Its an easy fix, but then again, it is HRC.

BTW, and this I learned a long time ago, from a drummer. He said,"Vocalists don't have to bring any gear, you think they could at least buy their own mic, and a good one at that." Once I started playing out, I always bring my own mic, and not for that reason. Ever see anyone kiss the mic? Ever see anyone eat the mic? Okay, better question, how many performers do you see don't do either?

You've heard the old definition of a musician? Person who packs up $5000 worth of equipment into a $500 car and drives 100 miles for a $50 gig. That's me! And I love it!

Steveperrywriter
09-10-2014, 08:20 PM
I looked at a bunch, Dan, and battery power was part of what I wanted.

I used a Micro-Cube with my guitar, and it was okay, just enough to make nylon strings able to be heard with steel string acoustic guitars.

I ran the uke through the Street Cube's acoustic setting and it sounded okay, but it sounds better using the acoustic amp. And considerably louder ...

Steveperrywriter
09-10-2014, 08:43 PM
Nah, I don't play out much, and I don't expect to be anywhere I need a stack that will blow out eardrums in the nosebleed seats at, say, the Super Bowl ... Gets to that? I probably can afford a bigger amp. My ambitions don't run in that direction. Blues or folk or geezer rock in the local pub, maybe. Arena rock? Not even ...

I do bring my own mike, Shure 57, so I can sing if a Real Singer doesn't show up, or mike a uke that doesn't have a pick up while the Real Singer sings ...

Kekani
09-10-2014, 10:58 PM
Nah, I don't play out much, and I don't expect to be anywhere I need a stack that will blow out eardrums in the nosebleed seats at, say, the Super Bowl ... Gets to that? I probably can afford a bigger amp. My ambitions don't run in that direction. Blues or folk or geezer rock in the local pub, maybe. Arena rock? Not even ...

I do bring my own mike, Shure 57, so I can sing if a Real Singer doesn't show up, or mike a uke that doesn't have a pick up while the Real Singer sings ...

I think that's where a bunch of us are around here that perform. You definitely got the right mic for the job, and by the joke definition of a musician, I guess I may only somewhat qualify - I don't have that much invested, my vehicle costs way more, and if I drove 100 miles I'd be in the ocean, or right back where I started. Yeah, gigs are more than $50. Still, its all good at our level.

Mxyzptik
09-11-2014, 03:06 AM
I have the Roland 33 but it is currently in the shop. At less than a year old it just wouldn't power on, I took it into the shop and they sent it back to Roland in Vancouver. Last word is that they have replaced the motherboard but are still having problem with some of the features. The communication has been poor and I really just sit in limbo waiting to see what and when I will have an amp again. Not real happy as it had maybe been used about 10 times when it went kerfluie .

ricdoug
09-11-2014, 06:05 AM
You don't have to be sorry if he's wanting an acoustic amp. None of the cubes are.

The AC33 on the other hand, is. The Roland AC 60 has been what small acoustic amps have been measured up against for years, and the AC 33 is bascially a battery powered miniature version of it. Not quite as many features and lower power, but still a darn good amp for what it does and it's price point. I own one. I only got it because of the fact that it's battery powered. How much have I HAD to use it like that? Once. If I had it to do over again, I would get the AC 60. It doesn't cost that much more.

The only thing that I think is hokie about any of the Rolands is their emphasis on being 'stereo'. It doesn't matter. They've got 2 channels--woohoo. If you're more than a foot away, it doesn't matter, you won't hear the split sound anyhow. Not even concerts in huge venues have their sound in stereo. They use array speakers to broadcast sound everywhere, not just right out in front of the band.

I also have a Bose L1 Compact that is a miniature array system. I've ran my uke into my Roland to use it as a 'soundboard' so to speak, then into my bose to broadcast that evenly thoughout my 'venue', small as it may be. And, the audience doesn't have to be directly in front of me to hear the music.

Most likely more than anybody wants to know, but there it is, thrown out for all to see.

King David is spot on, here. The new Roland Street Cube EX is built with an acoustic channel:

http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1317/507

"•COSM tones for electric guitar, including Clean, Crunch, and Lead; PREAMP FOR ACOUSTIC GUITAR PROVIDES CLEAN, NATURAL SOUND"

Several of my local friends own these. They are quite impressive and can be mounted on speaker stands and interconnected via the Stereo Link, just like my Roland BA-330's. These are not the old 2.5 watt X 2 Roland Cube Street amps, that were designed for electric guitars with an acoustic simulator that made an electric guitar sound acoustic, The Roland Cube Street EX is designed to plug either an electric or acoustic/electric guitar straight in. The Roland Cube Street EX will hold it's own on a stage with other amplified instruments. Ric

ricdoug
09-11-2014, 06:20 AM
I use a Line6 Pocket Pod to play my electric guitars through my Roland AC-33 with great success. It has substantially more acoustic output than my old Roland Cube Street's (not the new EX version). Ric

One of my older model Cube Streets at a Farmer's Market:

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/RolandAmp2.JPG

Farmer's Market setup with two older Roland Cube Streets for vocals, 1 Roland Microcube RX Bass, 2 Roland Microcube RX and 2 Roland Microcubes:

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/RolandAmp6.JPG

All battery in a public park without A/C power. 2 Roland BA-330 PA Systems, 3 older Roland Cube Streets, 1 Roland Microcube RX Bass and one Roland AC-33:

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/JonathanTarr201201.jpg

My beach rig using a Roland AC-33 with an LR Baggs Para Acoustic DI:

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/AC33MemorialDay.jpg

Dan Uke
09-11-2014, 06:34 AM
King David is spot on, here. The new Roland Street Cube EX is built with an acoustic channel:

http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1317/507

"•COSM tones for electric guitar, including Clean, Crunch, and Lead; PREAMP FOR ACOUSTIC GUITAR PROVIDES CLEAN, NATURAL SOUND"

Several of my local friends own these. They are quite impressive and can be mounted on speaker stands and interconnected via the Stereo Link, just like my Roland BA-330's. These are not the old 2.5 watt X 2 Roland Cube Street amps, that were designed for electric guitars with an acoustic simulator that made an electric guitar sound acoustic, The Roland Cube Street EX is designed to plug either an electric or acoustic/electric guitar straight in. The Roland Cube Street EX will hold it's own on a stage with other amplified instruments. Ric

I like the Street Cube EX. I rather have 2 mic inputs instead of 1 mic and 1 instrument input of the AC-33 as some instruments might not have pickups. Only if it had phantom power as I own a Shure SM58 and 2 Lewitt LCT140.

ricdoug
09-11-2014, 06:39 AM
Phantom power solved:

https://www.google.com/shopping/product/10410007374608557573?q=behringer+1002b+battery+pow ered+mixer&biw=1440&bih=805&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.74894050,d.aWw,pv.xjs.s.en_US.du00fpua6hE.O&tch=4&ech=1&psi=w88RVNXsDdCSyATP5ILYBA.1410453443467.5&wrapid=tljp141045346347220&ei=188RVLe0H9K3yATd-oK4CQ&ved=0CIEEEKYrMAA

http://www.behringer.com/assets/1002B_P0A04_Top_XL.png

Dan Uke
09-11-2014, 06:58 AM
Thanks Ric, I have a friend who's trying to get me the below mixer for $50. It's older but should work. If that falls through, I'll consider your options.

http://www.kamesan.info/kst2000.htm

ricdoug
09-11-2014, 07:19 AM
That's a steal if it's still working. Those Kamesan's were almost $2K new. Ric

King David
09-11-2014, 07:26 AM
Thanks for your help Ric. Don't mind con-man, he is privy to snap posts based on prior assumptions as always. The slightest bit of looking into Roland's new 2014 product specs would have revealed his error, and even the most basic video demo I took the actual picture of the amp from(www.youtube.com/watch?v=uma95PjVPow) get this, features an ACOUSTIC guitar player. No this is not some nefarious marketing ploy to trick acoustic players into buying electric guitar amps. Gone are the days for Roland when a model must of had the letters AC tacked at the end to be built to spec as an acoustic amp.

That being said, to the OP I get your concern for portability now. However, one can't argue that the Cube Street EX 50watts isn't a substantial upgrade from the AC-33's 15x15 for only a ~5lb difference in weight, especially in a setting outdoors where there's no walls or at a place with no external PA. I will tell you straight up from experience and I'm sure Ric can vouch as well: a lot of venues when they are built do not pay to have a sound system installed, let alone even hire an employee that knows how to work one. That all can and will fall on the player eventually. Do you really want to put yourself in that situation one day, because I did and it sucked. Totally worth the extra inches in width and minimal weight difference of 5lbs(gym anyone?) for peace of mind.

While I do not yet own the Cube Street Ex, it will certainly be my next purchase as I have the larger 30watt Roland at 30lbs and the Street EX will be a relief at half the weight, size, and an extra 20watts power.

Dan Uke
09-11-2014, 07:47 AM
That's a steal if it's still working. Those Kamesan's were almost $2K new. Ric

Yeah, my friend is in the TV industry and his friend has 8 of them. My friend has one and he likes its. We recorded something with a pair of Schoeps mics and sounded awesome.

I agree with King D on this one as I would have purchased it instead of the AC-33, assuming it sounds good.

Steveperrywriter
09-11-2014, 08:08 AM
That being said, to the OP I get your concern for portability now. However, one can't argue that the Cube Street EX 50watts isn't a substantial upgrade from the AC-33's 15x15 for only a ~5lb difference in weight, especially in a setting outdoors where there's no walls or at a place with no external PA. I will tell you straight up from experience and I'm sure Ric can vouch as well: a lot of venues when they are built do not pay to have a sound system installed, let alone even hire an employee that knows how to work one. That all can and will fall on the player eventually. Do you really want to put yourself in that situation one day, because I did and it sucked. Totally worth the extra inches in width and minimal weight difference of 5lbs(gym anyone?) for peace of mind.

While I do not yet own the Cube Street Ex, it will certainly be my next purchase as I have the larger 30watt Roland at 30lbs and the Street EX will be a relief at half the weight, size, and an extra 20watts power.

Nothing here to argue with, save that there is a kind of slippery slope people get into with gear. Well, okay, so the AC 33 will do the trick for what I want most of the time, but there might come a place where it won't, and so I should get the Cube EX. But then, what if I get to a place where 50 watts isn't enough? Maybe I should get the AC 90? Forty more watts and only twenty-five pounds, and yeah, it's a little bigger, and won't do batteries, but ... what if 90 watts isn't enough? Maybe a Trace Elliot 200? A Peavy 300 ... ?

Boom. I need a moving van to haul my gear around, and a bus for my roadies to launch my budding ukulele god career ...

Yeah, I'm being facetious, but at some point, buying gear for a theoretical need seems to become an end in itself. I understand GAS and UAS, and I can see that there seems to be an amp acquisition syndrome, (and microphone, mixer, foot-switch, pick-up, cable acquisition versions of those, too), but I'm at my current limit of those. Not to say that won't change as I go down the road, but at the moment, I can carry what I need to go down the road ...

ricdoug
09-11-2014, 08:24 AM
Consitter offers much sound advice here, King David. I think this is just a case of a paradigm created by past Roland products. AC in Roland products stands for Acoustic Chorus, not ACoustic. I've played through three different new Roland Cube Street EX's with acoustic instruments. They are very impressive in power, acoustic transparency and versatility. If I need more power than this offers, I would run the line out into a P.A. system. Probably my next purchase.

http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1317

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Roland-Cube-Street-EX-Battery-Powered-Stereo-Guitar-Amplifier-110159639-i3665072.gc

http://media.musiciansfriend.com/is/image/MMGS7/J08073000000000_IMAGE_01?op_sharpen=0&resMode=sharp2&op_usm=0.5,1,6,0&id=_8dRZ0&scl=1&req=tile&rect=256,256,1280,1007&fmt=jpg

ricdoug
09-11-2014, 08:26 AM
http://media.musiciansfriend.com/is/image/MMGS7/J08073000000000_IMAGE_06?op_sharpen=0&resMode=sharp2&op_usm=0.5,1,6,0&id=AueRB1&scl=1&req=tile&rect=512,256,1280,825&fmt=jpg

http://media.musiciansfriend.com/is/image/MMGS7/J08073000000000_IMAGE_07?op_sharpen=0&resMode=sharp2&op_usm=0.5,1,6,0&id=WT1Rl0&scl=1&req=tile&rect=0,0,1024,768&fmt=jpg

Kekani
09-11-2014, 10:29 AM
Seriously guys, there's $$$ to be made, by the companies. Keep the Rolands at home for practice, buy a powered mixer and some cheap ass 12" full range speakers, and you'll be set. Brand new can be had for $1k, give or take. Used is.1/2 of that.

Based on some statements in this threads, its not a question of "when I'm ready," it'll be "what took me so long?" after you get it.

Ric, no offense but the cube on a stick is just wrong. I know you can do better. Its not always about power that you "don't need". Its about headroom, and quality, and not sounding muddy or anemic, which is most battery powered that I've heard.

I think the last thing in your chain is the weak link. My opinion.

ricdoug
09-11-2014, 10:57 AM
Have you played through one yet, Keikani?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N893D7iamgg

I use equipment like this for places where A/C power is not available. I've used the line out of my Roland AC-33 through a main P.A. so I'm in control of my vocal and instrument mix.

I have the equipment to run sound for stadiums, too. It rarely gets taken out, other than for cleaning and sound checks to make sure everything is working right.

I'll put any Roland AC amp against any cheap pair of powered 12" speakers, such as Behringer or Harbinger, when it comes to accurate acoustic sound quality. The AC Series amps were designed for acoustic instruments. P.A.'s are multi-purpose.

Opinions may vary, based on personal experience. Ric

Steveperrywriter
09-11-2014, 11:39 AM
Its not always about power that you "don't need". Its about headroom, and quality, and not sounding muddy or anemic, which is most battery powered that I've heard.

I think the last thing in your chain is the weak link. My opinion.

Not to be argumentative, but if I spend a thousand bucks on a powered mixer and some cheap ass 12" speakers, nobody makes any money on that? If it is leaving my wallet, surely it is going into somebody else's, right?

Maybe it's a better deal for the money, but it's more than twice my budget, and far beyond anything I need now. Maybe someday I might. And, maybe someday a big asteroid hits us and we are all toast. I'm thinking about Saturday at the pub, for which I will earn, lemme see, carry the one ... zero ...

Amateurs jamming is not the same as pros earning money. And who is going to haul all this gear for me again?

From what I gather, you must always play powered venues. Two of the more recent times I played out, there weren't any wall sockets to be had. You carry, like a 200-foot extension chord, just in case? And in such circumstances, where your chord won't reach, which is more anemic, a battery-powered amp, or one with a plug with nowhere to go?

What I see here is that we have different needs, and I'm not trying to say what you do is wrong, if works for you, more power to you; only that what I need is a horse of a different color. Sometimes, one size fits all, and sometimes not.

ricdoug
09-11-2014, 12:30 PM
My friend Sarah does her downtown San Diego gigs with a Fishman Loudbox Mini:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arVBNqH9Q5w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWGOpteEHPA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfqFuNaaZps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLFrAiy7Vak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK-cq5s0KCM

Kekani
09-11-2014, 01:17 PM
Have you played through one yet, Keikani?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N893D7iamgg

I use equipment like this for places where A/C power is not available. I've used the line out of my Roland AC-33 through a main P.A. so I'm in control of my vocal and instrument mix.

I have the equipment to run sound for stadiums, too. It rarely gets taken out, other than for cleaning and sound checks to make sure everything is working right.

I'll put any Roland AC amp against any cheap pair of powered 12" speakers, such as Behringer or Harbinger, when it comes to accurate acoustic sound quality. The AC Series amps were designed for acoustic instruments. P.A.'s are multi-purpose.

Opinions may vary, based on personal experience. Ric

Threw away my Microcube, pass on the original street, and the ac's all leave something out. Btw, Yamaha, Mackie & low end JBL is cheap ass. Behringer & Harbinger is no ass. Id take the Rolands instead, like you.

All I'm saying is instead of spending on multiple portables and daisy chaining, get a pro system, rather than a practice one. You guys would make good use of it, and save money in the long run. I went down the road you're travelling, and supported the businesses with my money. Could've, should've would've spent more wisely, if I knew then what I know now.