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WestPhillyUke
09-28-2014, 06:57 PM
Take a look!

http://www.theukulelesite.com/shop-by/brand/islander.html

The Big Kahuna
09-28-2014, 07:55 PM
You lost me at "Amazon"

Tootler
09-28-2014, 10:56 PM
You lost me at "Amazon"

Amazon USA, not Amazon.co.uk

The Big Kahuna
09-29-2014, 12:33 AM
What difference does that make? Amazon are Amazon, and still one of the worst places to buy musical instruments.

sam13
09-29-2014, 03:38 AM
If I bought something online it would be from a reputable website with professional set up.

Otherwise you could get anything.

Ukejenny
09-29-2014, 04:38 AM
While buying an instrument off a site like Amazon might not be for everyone, this is a great deal for anyone who would like a good ukulele on a budget. If you have a good tech around, someone who can do a great setup, then getting something that isn't setup isn't necessarily a deal breaker.

KoaDependent
09-29-2014, 04:39 AM
FWIW, I just price-checked Hawaii Music Supply and their prices are equal or better for the same instruments. Uke Republic is comparable on a few of them.

PhilUSAFRet
09-29-2014, 04:41 AM
Each individual has the right to limit or to expand their opportunities as they see fit. The right to trash others choices is a bit shaky though. I have never had a bad buying experience through Amazon. Most mail order dealers don't do setups, doesn't make them a "bad" place to buy anything including instruments. Many of them are highly reputable. Just means you have to be a savvy buyer and the savings have to be low enough so that you can pay for some setup work "if" it needs it and still come out well ahead. I have bought a few ukes from such dealers that were perfect and didn't need any set up work save a little fret end filing, etc. etc. Just sayin!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for sharing this information John

strumsilly
09-29-2014, 04:41 AM
If I bought something online it would be from a reputable website with professional set up.

Otherwise you could get anything.
But "anything" from Kanilea beats a lot of other manufacturer's anything.

Kayak Jim
09-29-2014, 05:46 AM
FWIW, I just price-checked Hawaii Music Supply and their prices are equal or better for the same instruments. Uke Republic is comparable on a few of them.

I'd say that info is worth a lot.

WestPhillyUke
09-29-2014, 05:59 AM
FWIW, I just price-checked Hawaii Music Supply and their prices are equal or better for the same instruments. Uke Republic is comparable on a few of them.

Thanks, that wasn't the case when I bought mine last week. Mine was very well set up though I did do the same tweaks I nearly always do, even to a Martin guitar from a high-end dealer...the nut slots were cut a little higher than needed so I lowered them. Also shined up the frets with Gorgomyte cloth (these things are great). It's a lot of uke for this money, maybe not as pretty as an equivalent Kala but sounds quite a bit better to my ear.

katysax
09-29-2014, 06:01 AM
For what its worth - Hawaii Music Supply has dropped its prices on the Islanders dramatically in the last couple of days. I got the mt-4 GPU off of Amazon for 173.50 when it was 299 at Hawaii Music Supply. The HMS one comes with a case, but you have to pay shipping from Hawaii.

WestPhillyUke
09-29-2014, 06:49 AM
For what its worth - Hawaii Music Supply has dropped its prices on the Islanders dramatically in the last couple of days. I got the mt-4 GPU off of Amazon for 173.50 when it was 299 at Hawaii Music Supply. The HMS one comes with a case, but you have to pay shipping from Hawaii.

Yeah, just looked at HMS and while not as low as Amazon their prices definitely dropped lot since last week -- and in some cases the higher price also includes a case. I wonder if dealers are blowing these out for some reason? Maybe new model lines coming, or the line is even being discontinued?

Kayak Jim
09-29-2014, 07:03 AM
I wonder if dealers are blowing these out for some reason? Maybe new model lines coming, or the line is even being discontinued?

The HMS website has a video on the "NEW" Islanders. http://www.theukulelesite.com/shop-by/brand/islander.html

hoosierhiver
09-29-2014, 07:12 AM
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twentytabby
09-29-2014, 08:31 AM
Wow, I just looked at the Islander ukes on HMS and the price of the solid mahogany concert uke has got me seriously thinking about it. It's less expensive than on Amazon, and may still be even after shipping, plus it would be set up.

I'm just wondering if I should stick with laminates in my climate. I'm not good about things like humidifiers.

Dan Uke
09-29-2014, 08:35 AM
UU rules of conduct:
5) Posting Links:
5.1 You may post links to items that you think may be of interest to your fellow members, but please do not post links to your own business, or other for-profit website in which you may have an interest, except in your forum signature or in the "Links and Videos" section.

Maybe there needs to be more clarification as I see some posts in uke talk get moved to Links and Videos and not sure why...of course, it could be my own ignerenc

gyosh
09-29-2014, 09:33 AM
How do the Islanders stack up to the Ponos in terms of tone and volume? (Specifically, how would an Islander MST-4 compare to a Pono MT?) If Ponos are better, are they better enough to justify a $130 difference in price? Is an all-solid Islander substantially better in tone than similar all-solid ukes from Kala and Ohana?

FWIW, I'd much rather buy from a respected source like HMS, Uke Republic, Mim's or Mainland than some random guy posting on Amazon.

keod
09-29-2014, 09:33 AM
I bought the Islander MC-4 from HMS when it was much higher in price than they have it on for now (and it came with a case)- the set up was, of course, superb and the shipping very reasonable. At the new lower price it is a steal. Wasn't in love with the matte finish but I used DownUpDave's steel wool, lemon oil and renaissance wax trick that he used on his Opio and it really turned out great. But if I couldn't get what I wanted from HMS, I wouldn't hesitate to buy through Amazon at the bargain basement price. A little DIY setup or a local luthier could make it a very good instrument in short order. I'm even thinking about getting the soprano (that HMS doesn't have in stock or I would buy from them).

kohanmike
09-29-2014, 09:43 AM
I find Amazon to be a great place to buy instruments, done so with no problems what-so-ever. Either I do the setup, or I have a local place do it.

The Big Kahuna
09-29-2014, 09:46 AM
FWIW, I'd much rather buy from a respected source like HMS, Uke Republic, Mim's or Mainland than some random guy posting on Amazon.

From the information on the listing, it looks as though Amazon are stocking and selling the ukes themselves. The bastards at Amazon won't even pay their taxes, so I'm f**ked if I'd trust them to sell a uke.

bnolsen
09-29-2014, 10:28 AM
Wow, I just looked at the Islander ukes on HMS and the price of the solid mahogany concert uke has got me seriously thinking about it. It's less expensive than on Amazon, and may still be even after shipping, plus it would be set up.

I'm just wondering if I should stick with laminates in my climate. I'm not good about things like humidifiers.

There's a couple guitar repair shops you should walk into every once in a while to remind you about how easily solid tops crack here in CO. Just play it safe and control UAS :-p

UkerDanno
09-29-2014, 10:28 AM
Wow, I just looked at the Islander ukes on HMS and the price of the solid mahogany concert uke has got me seriously thinking about it. It's less expensive than on Amazon, and may still be even after shipping, plus it would be set up.

I'm just wondering if I should stick with laminates in my climate. I'm not good about things like humidifiers.

the MSC-4 is a great uke and the HMS price is awesome! But, you would need a humidifier for sure. I have the laminate MC-4 and it's a good uke too, especially after I put Fremont blacklines on it. No humidification needed, even is Arizona. (I wouldn't sell it for $90, though)

pixiepurls
09-29-2014, 11:13 AM
What difference does that make? Amazon are Amazon, and still one of the worst places to buy musical instruments.

I fully support a properly setup instrument, I have purchased from HMS, I have purchased from my local shop. I bought a dolphin on amazon its a great little uke. Zero complaints. Some people are not lucky enough to live near a proper ukulele shop, so for them amazon may be a good solution for a first instrument.

twentytabby
09-29-2014, 11:14 AM
Thanks bnolsen and UkerDanno, I think I'll behave and be happy with what I've got. I have a old solid wood guitar that is about 100 years old that hasn't split, but that could be just luck.
I'm pretty happy with my laminated tenor uke. I picked it up used locally for cheap and was able to check the intonation up the neck. I think the action is ok, but I'm used to steel strings.
That price on that solid mahogany Islander really grabbed me though!

The Big Kahuna
09-29-2014, 11:32 AM
What it all boils down to is this:

The saving on even the most expensive uke in the Amazon stock is minimal. Amazon are a "stack 'em high and sell 'em cheap" establishment. They don't check them before shipping, they don't offer a setup, the "warranty" they offer is an extra $ 20 or thereabouts and they don't have a reputation to maintain within the uke-playing community, and are unlikely to "go the extra mile" as HMS, Mim etc do.

Additionally, ask yourself why Kanile'a are clearing their shelves at discounts approaching trade price. There's a better than even chance that all these ukes are the ones that dealers such as HMS have returned because they are flawed.

"Take them to a luthier" isn't really a plan if you end up with an instrument that has a bridge in the wrong place, a bad fret job, a warped neck, a misaligned neck joint etc

Are you willing to take the risk for what amounts to little more than a night out in a restaurant?

If you want to risk it, fine. I hope you're lucky, and end up with a bargain. Just think about the fact that Kanile'a have probably just shafted several of the dealers that have supported them, and promoted the brand for many years, by shipping these ukes out to Amazon at ridiculously low prices.

The Big Kahuna
09-29-2014, 12:14 PM
Are they shafting HMS, which is now offering the same ukes at the same prices? Enough of the Amazon hate—we get the message: you don't like Amazon and wouldn't deal with them. Fine.

My attitude would be exactly the same if it were any other mail order company. And yes, they probably are shafting HMS and all the other dealers, who have been forced to cut their margin.

strumsilly
09-29-2014, 12:14 PM
Additionally, ask yourself why Kanile'a are clearing their shelves at discounts approaching trade price. There's a better than even chance that all these ukes are the ones that dealers such as HMS have returned because they are flawed.

I would think that a reputable company like Kanilea would mark them somehow, like Lanikai does with a headstock stamp, or like Koaloha does with a black label mark. I could be wrong.
PS. I like Amazon. I live in the sticks and can get things that are unavailable to me locally delivered in 2 days. what's not to like?

Ukejenny
09-29-2014, 12:16 PM
Am I sensing some uke snootery in the Force? And would that be called snukery? People post links on here quite often about instruments, strings, tuners, stands, straps, and books/music. What am I missing - was the OP some form of Amazon-seller generated spam? I would genuinely like to see more kindness and Aloha spirit around here.

The Big Kahuna
09-29-2014, 12:25 PM
what's not to like?

Oh, I don't know...

How about:

Amazon UK paid 2.4m tax on sales of 4.3bn in 2013. They actually received 2.5m in grants from the UK government to expand warehouse operations, so they even managed to make a profit on that. Amazon UK registered itself as a service provider to it's Luxembourg operation, so it can avoid paying taxes in a country that it generates so much profit from. Gotta love these corporate tax evasion schemes, huh?

But why should you care, it's a US company, so it's not hurting you.

katysax
09-29-2014, 12:26 PM
I've had experience playing all of the above. In my view the solid Islanders stack up very well against Ponos Kalas and Ohanas. They are at least as good, and in some cases better. I wouldn't call the Islander a substantial step up though - the Kalas and Ohanas tend to be a bit fancier.


Are they shafting HMS, which is now offering the same ukes at the same prices? Enough of the Amazon hateŚwe get the message: you don't like Amazon and wouldn't deal with them. Fine.

I'll ask again, how do the all-solid Islanders stack up against Ponos and Kalas/Ohanas of a similar type? Is the Islander a substantial step up from Kalas/Ohanas? Is the Pono a substantial step up from Islander, worth an extra $130?

And for the record, for a lot of us, $100 isn't chump change. We can't just skip a night out and make up the difference, thankyouverymuch.

WestPhillyUke
09-29-2014, 12:36 PM
Just wanted to share some good deals with folks. I have been on a lot of forums for a lot of years, going back to the Well, Usenet, and even earlier forums. This is one of the most hostile I have come across.

Sorry if this thread or the mention of Ama*zon offended some people, who being entirely without sin I presume are organic farmers who live off the grid and are running their computers on sustainable fart power.

I willbe deleting this thread shortly.

John, happy with his new uke, his only tenor.

sim4lin
09-29-2014, 12:51 PM
I willbe deleting this thread shortly.

Before you do, thanks for posting.
I'm looking for a new MT-4.

Ukulele Eddie
09-29-2014, 01:02 PM
Just wanted to share some good deals with folks. I have been on a lot of forums for a lot of years, going back to the Well, Usenet, and even earlier forums. This is one of the most hostile I have come across.

Sorry if this thread or the mention of Ama*zon offended some people, who being entirely without sin I presume are organic farmers who live off the grid and are running their computers on sustainable fart power.

I willbe deleting this thread shortly.

John, happy with his new uke, his only tenor.

I think your original post was very much appreciated by most. A few people rightly pointed out the benefits of buying from a reputable uke dealer, a valid point to consider. That should have been it and people could decide their path.

Ultimately, we all love this little 4-string instrument whether you buy from Mim, HMS, another uke specialist or, gasp, Amazon, it should not matter.

buddhuu
09-29-2014, 01:15 PM
For the record, and in response to reports of this thread, the links contained in the original post are permitted under our rules.


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bnolsen
09-29-2014, 01:17 PM
Oh, I don't know...

How about:

Amazon UK paid 2.4m tax on sales of 4.3bn in 2013. They actually received 2.5m in grants from the UK government to expand warehouse operations, so they even managed to make a profit on that. Amazon UK registered itself as a service provider to it's Luxembourg operation, so it can avoid paying taxes in a country that it generates so much profit from. Gotta love these corporate tax evasion schemes, huh?

But why should you care, it's a US company, so it's not hurting you.

There's a bigger problem with the system and your government and your electorate, just like there's a problem here in the US. Politicians set up the system and put in loopholes. Amazon hires people smart enough to find and use the loopholes, that's what corporate accountants are paid to do. As a business they must be able to turn a profit for their shareholders AND people purchasing from amazon pay a crap ton of taxes in the form of VAT and another crapton pay a ton of taxes working as employees for amazon.

WestPhillyUke
09-29-2014, 03:32 PM
I don't seem to have the ability to delete this thread. If a mod would be able to do that for me, I would appreciate it -- otherwise I guess we'll just let it run its course.

I agree with the sentiment of preferentially buying from Mom & Pop shops (locally if possible) but I know folks also like a great deal and it was in that spirit that I shared these prices. I don't have any reason to believe as suggested above that these ukes are 2nds, irregular, or returned items. I think it's more likely that Kanile'a has found it tough to compete with other entrenched brands at the crowded bottom of the market, and is discontinuing this line -- but that is just idle speculation based on having seen other brands blow their stock out at low prices.

Booli
09-29-2014, 03:48 PM
Just wanted to share some good deals with folks. I have been on a lot of forums for a lot of years, going back to the Well, Usenet, and even earlier forums. This is one of the most hostile I have come across.

Sorry if this thread or the mention of Ama*zon offended some people, who being entirely without sin I presume are organic farmers who live off the grid and are running their computers on sustainable fart power.

I willbe deleting this thread shortly.

John, happy with his new uke, his only tenor.

@WestPhillyUke - Please do not be discouraged from participating on the UU forums because of the opinion from one person who expresses a dislike for Amazon.

I shudder to think of the shat-storm that would ensue if anyone said bad things about HMS or MIM :). (Both have been very involved here in the forums, especially to address any concerns, but Amazon is an easy target here in the forums, as they have no representation, and I doubt that Jeff Bezos (Amazon CEO) cares about our individual experiences enough to respond, that is, if he even knows about UU at all.)

This is WHY so many have recommended vendors that have a hands-on approach, with personal attention to each instrument that is sold. They go much farther than just drop-shipping from a crate of factory-made, cookie-cutter, sight-unseen, pot-luck items.

If you live in a rural area, and have no local shops, then buying online is your only option. If you also have no local luthier to do your setup, nor can do it yourself, it seems to me that you'd want to buy from a place that makes sure to do a setup before they ship the instrument to you.

There are at least a half-dozen choices worldwide for online vendors that WILL do a setup before they ship, but Amazon is NOT one of them - nor is the almighty-and-much-hated GuitarCenter and it's 5 or 6 evil stealth-branded sister companies.

Just my 2 cents here.

Having said that, I too, appreciate the heads-up on these prices for the Islander brand, from Amazon and/or elsewhere, and I would like to THANK YOU for making this thread. :)

pritch
09-29-2014, 04:44 PM
Thanks to the OP for posting the link. Unfortunately Amazon won't post an ukulele to my address. Then again, my bank manager would probably consider that's a good thing. :-)

Ukejenny
09-29-2014, 04:47 PM
Just wanted to share some good deals with folks. I have been on a lot of forums for a lot of years, going back to the Well, Usenet, and even earlier forums. This is one of the most hostile I have come across.

Sorry if this thread or the mention of Ama*zon offended some people, who being entirely without sin I presume are organic farmers who live off the grid and are running their computers on sustainable fart power.

I willbe deleting this thread shortly.

John, happy with his new uke, his only tenor.

So glad you are happy with your new ukulele. Don't fret (bazinga) over this one little thread. This, too, shall pass. What songs have you been playing?

WestPhillyUke
09-29-2014, 04:58 PM
Working through Pekelo's first book. That was the whole point of buying this uke, to have a tenor in low G. Of course, as nice as this instrument is, I'm already dreaming of an all-solid one like a Kamaka or Koaloha or Collings...

Andu
09-29-2014, 05:48 PM
Appreciate the thread -- no need to delete the thread :)

Booli
09-30-2014, 11:13 AM
Several reviews have mentioned how the Islander has unslotted bridge pegs. Consequently, you have to tie knots in the string ends and slip them through the little brass retainers, being careful to make the knots big enough they can't slip through the retainer's hole (or, alternatively, tie the retainers in the knots, or buy strings with retainers at the ends. On the more expensive Kanileas, the holes have slots above them, so you only have to knot the ends and slip the strings into the slots, using the pegs just to keep the strings from slipping out of the slots.) If the peg hole has sharp edges, the string may snap. And woe betide if you lose a retainer.

Can this be solved by replacing the pegs with slotted ones? Are the pegs standard issue, where any guitar pegs would fit the hole bore, or are they of a smaller size, and if so, where can one get black, slotted replacements?

Would this not be easily solved by going to a craft store (like Michaels) or WalMart, and getting some 1-2mm spherical beads, which are like a dozen for $0.50, and then just slip them on after you tie your knots? (and then insert the knot and bead into the hole)

On an acoustic guitar with bridge pins, it's a common misconception that the pin itself holds the tension of the string, and this is incorrect, the ball-end of the string is supposed to be held against the bridge plate, and the bridge pin merely keeps it from slipping, and DOES not hold all the string tension. The slot in the bridge pin merely allows for the string to exit the hole cleanly.

Is a ukulele with a pin bridge not working the same way?

(Disclaimer: I've not had the pleasure of seeing an ukulele pin bridge up close, nor used one myself.)

bnolsen
09-30-2014, 11:18 AM
baz did a review of a solid body islander a while back and he just filed slots into the holes.

UkerDanno
09-30-2014, 01:53 PM
I recently changed the strings on my MC-4 and loved the bridge pin concept. The same day I changed strings on a couple other ukes with tie bridges and the bridge pins were by far the easiest! The pins do have slots. The strings do have little metal "beads". You just tie a knot, slip the bead onto the string, drop the bead and string through the hole, insert the pin until it pops in and voila, pull it tight! I had one of the little beads flip off the old string and, fortunately landed on the tile floor, so I could hear about where it went and found it. I did have the A string pull through the bead, so another little loop in the knot and it held tight.

The Big Kahuna
09-30-2014, 08:04 PM
With slotted (and unslotted) bridge pins (apologies if everyone already knows this), the trick is to give the pin a little twist during the last couple of mm of travel as you insert it into the bridge. I've been hit by (or lost) dozens over the years when I've forgotten to do this. I've never had a pin fly out during tuning when I've twisted the pin. It probably just helps the pin seat more securely.

WestPhillyUke
10-01-2014, 01:37 AM
The pins in the Islander are slotted. I don't know where the idea that they are unslotted came from. The bridge is not slotted. One or the other needs to be slotted or there is no place for the string to pass through.

AndrewKuker
10-01-2014, 09:44 AM
Wow, that was interesting. In related news I got an email from Kala recently that said this:

Because of the high demand for Kala product, Amazon*has solicited to purchase from us directly. In order to protect our valued dealer base we have refused to sell to them directly.

Recently Amazon.com obtained products with the Kala logo. Amazon.com did not obtain these products from*Kala Brand Music Co.
Kala has never sold instruments directly to*Amazon.com.

Amazon.com will be added to our Un-Authorized Dealers page with a clear explanation of the differences
between buying from a Kala Authorized Dealer on Amazon, and buying from Amazon direct.
*
We cannot verify that the products Amazon.com is listing are authentic Kala products.
They may or*may not be counterfeit or used products.

Sort of related, just fyi, if you're an Amazon shopper.

WestPhillyUke
10-01-2014, 11:31 AM
Wow, that was interesting. In related news I got an email from Kala recently that said this:

Because of the high demand for Kala product, Amazon*has solicited to purchase from us directly. In order to protect our valued dealer base we have refused to sell to them directly.

Recently Amazon.com obtained products with the Kala logo. Amazon.com did not obtain these products from*Kala Brand Music Co.
Kala has never sold instruments directly to*Amazon.com.

Amazon.com will be added to our Un-Authorized Dealers page with a clear explanation of the differences
between buying from a Kala Authorized Dealer on Amazon, and buying from Amazon direct.
*
We cannot verify that the products Amazon.com is listing are authentic Kala products.
They may or*may not be counterfeit or used products.

Sort of related, just fyi, if you're an Amazon shopper.

Very interesting!! See more info here (http://www.kalabrand.com/DealersUNAuthorized.html) and here (http://www.kalabrand.com/DealersUNAuthorizedAmazon.html).

Really interesting the direct and quite harsh language directed straight at Amazon.com -- who certainly does offer a lot of Kala product for sale, but apparently not in a way that Kala is happy with.


Recently Amazon.com procured some products outside of our normal sales channels. These items do not qualify for our warranty as they could be blems, second hand, or they may or could be counterfeit.

Frankly, I doubt it's counterfeit but more likely that they have bought it through a wholesaler perhaps at a lower wholesale price than Kala supports. If the scenario is something like that, good for Kala for standing up to the Amazon goliath in support of their smaller independent dealers.

Also, for laughs, the "Kaka" ukes that are sold by some 3rd-party sellers on Amazon and eBay (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150317048709957&set=a.47428819956.18277.34868244956&type=1&theater).

hawaii 50
10-01-2014, 11:38 AM
How do you know that the Kala ukes on Amazon are not counterfeit ...are you guessing....:)

seems strange that Kala has no idea where the Amazon Kala ukes are coming from....they are a well run company and I am sure they could find out which wholesaler doing business with Amazon

my 2 cents

WestPhillyUke
10-01-2014, 12:13 PM
How do you know that the Kala ukes on Amazon are not counterfeit ...are you guessing....:)

seems strange that Kala has no idea where the Amazon Kala ukes are coming from....they are a well run company and I am sure they could find out which wholesaler doing business with Amazon

my 2 cents

I didn't say I *know* that, I said I *doubt* the ones being sold directly by Amazon are counterfeit.

bnolsen
10-01-2014, 12:35 PM
someone should contact islander about these ukuleles to see if they're real or counterfeits.

keod
10-01-2014, 12:38 PM
Wow, that was interesting. In related news I got an email from Kala recently that said this:

Because of the high demand for Kala product, Amazon*has solicited to purchase from us directly. In order to protect our valued dealer base we have refused to sell to them directly.

Recently Amazon.com obtained products with the Kala logo. Amazon.com did not obtain these products from*Kala Brand Music Co.
Kala has never sold instruments directly to*Amazon.com.

Amazon.com will be added to our Un-Authorized Dealers page with a clear explanation of the differences
between buying from a Kala Authorized Dealer on Amazon, and buying from Amazon direct.
*
We cannot verify that the products Amazon.com is listing are authentic Kala products.
They may or*may not be counterfeit or used products.

Sort of related, just fyi, if you're an Amazon shopper.

Thanks Andrew. I am patiently waiting for the new KA KSLNG to become available (from HMS preferred of course!) so its nice to know Kala's position on its distribution channel.

post4rational
10-01-2014, 04:16 PM
The amazon prices on the mt, mc and ms are all excellent.

However, if you are looking at the solid concert model, HMS currently has the MSC-4 with a case on sale for $179 plus shipping.

http://www.theukulelesite.com/islander-solid-concert-msc-4.html

I've seen it go for more used without a case and at this price with HMS setup, I couldn't keep my UAS in check.

Fred Ukestone
10-01-2014, 04:31 PM
This thread is turning into a conspiracy theory.

Dan Uke
10-01-2014, 05:48 PM
I can't imagine Kala selling to all retailers directly since you see so many Kalas around. Being a commercial lender, I work with manufacturers, wholesalers, and retailers, I tend to agree with West Philly Uke. Even on the retail side with minimum set prices, you can occasionally get it cheaper.

Kala should check its distribution chain if it's really concerned.

AndrewKuker
10-01-2014, 08:59 PM
Well first let me say that I don't consider this to be amongst the big problems in the world. And I am not anti Amazon. HMS gets a lot of our packing supplies and tools from them. I don't even want to know how much my wife spends with Amazon. I don't have time to know how bad the corporations that we inevetably support are. Business is business.
But Amazon is disliked by some, especially for products like stringed instruments, perhaps for good reason. So that was expressed in reply to the links you posted, along with many other folks thanking you for the information. The comments you make generalizing the entire forum in comparison to others seems a little unrealistic. Anyone that has spent some time here knows there's plenty of aloha and generally no hostility, only the occasional overly strong opinion. Strong opinions exist in every forum.
As far as the Kala thing, on Amazon either things are sold through a third party or from Amazon direct. You can see that from the listing. So if say Austin Bazaar was selling Kala on Amazon, then Kala would ask them to stop. But if it shows Amazon and Kala was not selling to them then who is? I don't know or care to know but I can share this FWIW, Hohner recently told us that there are Lanikai Ukes being sold to stores not through them, that they are "not real" and to make sure we only buy Lanikai through Hohner. Hohner is Lanikai. When Hohner was making Ukes 12-13 years ago for Music Mac they were really funky. Warping and all kinds of issues. Mike Upton helped them develop the Lanikai line and we were warehousing them so we regularly talked with Mike about how to improve them and they got way better in a short time. They have continued to work on it and advertised and all that goes into marketing a brand. So I think if someone else is capitalizing on their investment, it's wrong. Now do I think those were fake Lanikais. Or not real. No, I think they were made in the same factory but the factory sold through other channels on the side for better profit. Perhaps a different factory in China but likely the same. We regularly get emails from the factories there saying we make Lanikais and other brands, what can we do for you? Ethics and loyalty are not at the top of these factories character traits. When you have multiple factories it's hard sometimes for a company to know what's going on. You can decide for yourself what to make of that fact. It may be too far off topic.
As far as this thread topic, the seller is not directly Amazon. It's Islander Ukulele. They are certainly not counterfeit. Anyway, my apologies for the noveI length response. I truly hope it does not make for any more negativity in this discussion. It's just the reality of the global economy and a universal struggle to thrive in business. The ukulele gives us peace and joy but to some it's just a product. Oh well. It doesn't have to take away from the healing power it can give us or the love we can feel when we make music with one. No matter who makes or sells it.

WestPhillyUke
10-02-2014, 01:59 AM
Andrew, you make great points. You are a class act. I had already edited my last post when you wrote this, recognizing I was being a bit harsh myself.

I bought a Kanilea tenor from you guys a few years back and when I wasn't happy with its sound your company graciously let me return it and purchase a Kamaka, which was the bees' knees. Some might have preferred the Kanilea but we all know how tastes are. You guys were great to deal with.

Thanks for the service you provide to the ukulele community, and for your very thoughtful and reasonable comments.

John

strumsilly
10-02-2014, 03:13 PM
And thank you westphilly for the heads up. And you didn't need to delete your original post. There's nothing wrong with a tip to other UU'ers about a good deal out there, regardless who the vendor is. I , for one , appreciated it.

UkerDanno
10-03-2014, 04:47 AM
A friend told me Costco is selling Islanders...$99 for a concert. I guess Islander is going for volume and they can do business as they wish, but I think it cheapens the Islander brand and possibly even Kanilea. What's next, Walmart? I like my Islander even though I have it for sale, but I'll keep it rather than sell it for the Amazon prices.

WestPhillyUke
10-03-2014, 06:51 AM
I kind of suspect they're dropping the brand and blowing out their inventory after a decision that they don't want to compete in the low-end market. But that is just an uneducated guess.

Dan Uke
10-03-2014, 07:31 AM
A friend told me Costco is selling Islanders...$99 for a concert. I guess Islander is going for volume and they can do business as they wish, but I think it cheapens the Islander brand and possibly even Kanilea. What's next, Walmart? I like my Islander even though I have it for sale, but I'll keep it rather than sell it for the Amazon prices.

That would be cool if it's true. Not everyone goes on UU and don't know a lot about ukes so the average person will get better instruments for the price. Let's hope that they keep similar quality control or at least out at the factory since there is no way Kanilea can check all units if selling to Costco. Not everyting is a bed or roses as I'm sure A/Rs are 90 days and Kanilea has to absorb most of the cost for returns, depending on the arrangement. With that, as people want better ukes, they might look into Kanileas.

We need better cheaper ukes!!

katysax
10-03-2014, 07:34 AM
My guess is that they have a lot of inventory of some models that they want to clear out to make way for something new. From what I can see, the company is very committed to its low cost line.

strumsilly
10-06-2014, 04:22 PM
OK, I confess. the price was so good on the AT-4 I bought one to have a beater tenor. it just came . Attractive grain very thin laminate, awesome sound for a $112 uke. they are now $110 shipped. This sounds almost as good as my $1000 Koaloha tenor. the edges are sharp, is there a finish?, BUT it is lightly built ans sounds much better and plays much better out of the box than you would expect for just over a ben. The set up was just about perfect. trust me, this is a no brainer. a little sanding and this could become a favorite.

strumsilly
10-06-2014, 04:32 PM
We need better cheaper ukes!!
this is a better cheap uke. much better. it blows a cheap Lanikai or Kala out of the water. I got an AT-4 for $112 shipped. I did have to pay tax so it was almost $120. it sounds and plays REALLY good.