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Kamanaaloha
10-21-2014, 02:01 PM
http://www.theukulelesite.com/kanilea-se-st-19-uvsilk-tenor-long-neck-s-1.html

http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=72069&d=1413936025

Kamanaaloha
10-21-2014, 02:01 PM
first non-Kamaka I have seen!

Kamanaaloha
10-21-2014, 02:03 PM
oops make it two

http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz164/hbwingnut/kanilea_se_st_uvsilk_12320-2_zpsdd131bd6.jpg (http://s824.photobucket.com/user/hbwingnut/media/kanilea_se_st_uvsilk_12320-2_zpsdd131bd6.jpg.html)

Doc_J
10-21-2014, 02:08 PM
What's the difference between a Long scale super tenor and a baritone?

Kamanaaloha
10-21-2014, 02:14 PM
19" versus 20 1/8" scale...tenor ukulele typically have 17" scales...the gimmick is to provide more room on a tenor body...I like the sound...it is richer, imho...and also allows the player to get to higher keys easier...I can only imagine what a cut out version might do. I have mine reentrant tuned and there is a noticeable difference in sound between my HF3L and my intructor's HF3...even when he plays mine, it is supah noticeable, imho.

Nickie
10-21-2014, 03:24 PM
wow....it's too big for me but the tones....omg....there's nothing like a Hawaiian ukulele!

Kamanaaloha
10-22-2014, 12:36 PM
these from Kanile'a are super tenors as well and have noticeably larger sound body...with ample hips.

sam13
10-22-2014, 05:56 PM
They are gorgeous ... I am quite impressed with them ... Nice purchase ... congratulations ... what kind of strings do you have with it?

The Big Kahuna
10-22-2014, 07:32 PM
I think he's just commenting on the fact that these are new, and posting links to them on HMS.

JonThysell
10-23-2014, 04:43 AM
Does anyone have a side-by-side comparison with a regular tenor and baritone? I'm interested in getting another 19" scale instrument, but from the pictures the bodies on these look really wide.

coolkayaker1
10-23-2014, 04:52 AM
19" versus 20 1/8" scale...tenor ukulele typically have 17" scales...the gimmick is to provide more room on a tenor body...I like the sound...it is richer, imho...and also allows the player to get to higher keys easier...I can only imagine what a cut out version might do. I have mine reentrant tuned and there is a noticeable difference in sound between my HF3L and my intructor's HF3...even when he plays mine, it is supah noticeable, imho.

But, it's still re-entrant gcea, or is it baritone dgbe tuned, K? Can it be used with baritone strings? Educate me please on tunings and stringings Thanks.

It's interesting, for sure.

stevepetergal
10-23-2014, 05:56 AM
Looks fantastic. I'll bet it is, too.
But, can we call it a baritone? I think we need a new name for the not-tenor/not-baritone ukulele. . I'm starting a campaign for "Helden"!

JonThysell
10-23-2014, 07:32 AM
Looks fantastic. I'll bet it is, too.
But, can we call it a baritone? I think we need a new name for the not-tenor/not-baritone ukulele. . I'm starting a campaign for "Helden"!

I'm still waiting for side-by-side pictures with other sized ukes. There have been 19" baritones since baritones first came to market - it was Martin that eventually set the 20"+ standard. With the larger looking body, "super-tenor" sounds like marketing-speak for "hey guys, this is totally a tenor, not one of those outcast baritones"

Kmcmichael
10-23-2014, 10:46 AM
How is it tuned? Can it still be AGEA? Will it be DGBE?

Kamanaaloha
10-23-2014, 11:16 AM
I was just surprised to see someone other than Kamaka...FINALLY...made one. I have not bought these...this was purely informational...and yes HMS is on the cutting edge for sure...as far as the new release of a new instrument.

the sound box is a Super Tenor Kanile'a style...the fret is 19" as opposed to the >20" Bari...or standard 17" for tenors.

As far as the tuning of my Kamaka...reentrant GCEA...note "low G" is not reentrant...From Wikipedia "A re-entrant tuning is a tuning of a stringed instrument where the strings (or more properly the courses on coursed instruments) are not ordered from the lowest pitch to the highest pitch (or vice versa)."

i am sure one could tune a long neck tenor "low G" or even bari [DGBE tuning]...but why bother just get a Bari...the low G should be really good imho...but I have not done it yet...that is for my KTM-00.

Kamanaaloha
10-23-2014, 11:18 AM
as far as sound samples go to the HMS link...there are samples of everything there...even if not listed...you can search the site...as far as side by side comparisons...check the HMS blog site...I will call Andrew and try to get him to put up a Corey or Aaron side by side sound sample of the Kanile'a and the Kamaka.

sam13
10-23-2014, 02:39 PM
If I was EVER to get a Kanile'a ... and I do like them ... it would be this model. I like the longer neck for more movement up the neck and larger bout does offer more sound and fuller ... I LIKE A BIG BOUT, I CAN NOT LIE!!! LOL.

But, I would be cheaper to buy a top of the line Pro Classic Baritone Pono ... and string it linear CGEA ... with South Coast Strings ... was just talking with Dirk today about that very thing.

southcoastukes
10-23-2014, 07:04 PM
You can't say for sure without body measurements, but this looks like a "tweener". The scale is long enough for a Baritone - they started out with 19" and some are still made that way. The body, while it appears to be bigger than a Tenor, doesn't look quite as big as a Baritone.

You have to make up a name when you're in this "no-man's land", and there's nothing wrong with "Long-neck Super Tenor". We make a somewhat similar instrument. 20" scale with more or less a Tenor-sized soundboard - instead of a wider lower bout, ours has a greater than Tenor body depth. It also goes 16 frets to the body instead of 15. Wide and shallow produces a different tone than long and deep, but they really could have the same name.

Just the same, in our case, we went with a name indicating a lighter toned Baritone rather than a big, giant Tenor. We call ours a "Lyric Baritone". Maybe Kanilea is smarter, as Tenors are more popular.

Instruments like these are nice when strung in reentrant A tuning - reentrant G isn't bad either, and reentrant G really gets nice with the 20" scale. Still, a B flat linear tuning is very sweet. Capo at the second fret if you need to get back to C tuning on occasion.

Rakelele
10-23-2014, 08:45 PM
This model has been introduced by Kanile'a last winter at NAMM. In the following video, Joe Souza is explaining the concept (at 2:15):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtXGUMAtwSA

Here is another video of the SE ST 19, demonstrated by Kimo Hussey:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1BOxskz6Eg

Rakelele
10-23-2014, 08:54 PM
If I was EVER to get a Kanile'a ... and I do like them ... it would be this model. ... But, I would be cheaper to buy a top of the line Pro Classic Baritone Pono ... and string it linear CGEA ...

Hey Simon, before you go for another Pro Classic, you should experience the joyous sound of a Kanile'a! ;) I know the Pro Classics are really nice, but a Kanile'a may be equally nice, albeit in a different way.

The Big Kahuna
10-23-2014, 08:54 PM
Guitars come in varying scale lengths, despite being functionally identical to each other, so I don't see that a new name is required for ukes, beyond the obvious "long necked xxxxx". Without delving into the world of extended range guitars (7, 8, 9 & more strings), 6 string guitars range from the 24" scale Brian May Red Special to the 27" Gibson Buckethead Signature Les Paul, a big difference, but they're still called "guitars".

Kamanaaloha
10-24-2014, 12:13 PM
This model has been introduced by Kanile'a last winter at NAMM. In the following video, Joe Souza is explaining the concept (at 2:15):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtXGUMAtwSA

Here is another video of the SE ST 19, demonstrated by Kimo Hussey:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1BOxskz6Eg

thanks I missed this...and yes they are finally out!

Kamanaaloha
10-24-2014, 12:21 PM
Guitars come in varying scale lengths, despite being functionally identical to each other, so I don't see that a new name is required for ukes, beyond the obvious "long necked xxxxx". Without delving into the world of extended range guitars (7, 8, 9 & more strings), 6 string guitars range from the 24" scale Brian May Red Special to the 27" Gibson Buckethead Signature Les Paul, a big difference, but they're still called "guitars".

um...what constitutes an ukulele?

I think there are other four stringed instruments not named ukulele...see Bass...see violin...see mandolin...and scale length plays a factor...and they are not called ukulele...just saying.

It might be an England thing...since if you were in Portugal it might be a braguinha or cavaquinho. I humbly disagree with your "don't see that a new name is required for ukes" assertion. If they [luthiers] wish to make a new one and name it...let them!

The Big Kahuna
10-24-2014, 08:27 PM
I never said they couldn't come up with another name if they wanted to. They make the things, they can do what they want. I was merely suggesting that one wasn't required, just because of a different scale length.

Kmcmichael
10-25-2014, 04:09 AM
I have one ordered.

Kamanaaloha
10-27-2014, 09:35 AM
I have one ordered.

Great! Kanile'a? or Kamaka? Either way you should be happy...I did notice that the Kanile'a will be strung low G unless otherwise asked for...which is great! Please post pictures when you get it...and of course your thoughts on the sound...unless u can post a sound sample...it would be even better if you could compare it to a regular tenor!

Kmcmichael
10-27-2014, 04:49 PM
It is a Kanilea. I have a k4 tenor that I can compare.