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Andy Chen
03-11-2015, 11:15 PM
I find it a breeze to change strings on my Clara and Boat Paddle A, both of which have UPTs.

Then I change strings on my other ukes, which have good quality geared tuners, and I get frustrated with all that needless numerous turns needed to get a string to pitch.

What reason (apart from cost, maybe) is there not to have UPTs on all ukes, regardless of size?

The UPTs are light, smooth as butter and hold strings in tune excellently. Plus, they don't have uke ears.

I wish I had them on all my ukes.

Both Blackbird ukuleles now come standard with UPTs, apparently.

equina
03-12-2015, 12:25 AM
I find it a breeze to change strings on my Clara and Boat Paddle A, both of which have UPTs.

Then I change strings on my other ukes, which have good quality geared tuners, and I get frustrated with all that needless numerous turns needed to get a string to pitch.

Patience is a virtue.


What reason (apart from cost, maybe) is there not to have UPTs on all ukes, regardless of size?

The UPTs are light, smooth as butter and hold strings in tune excellently. Plus, they don't have uke ears.

I like the weight. It's a change from friction tuners, and I like friction tuners too. The weight is not a deal-breaker for me.
Plus, I like the ears. They look nice on some designs. I guess I'm the minority.

hollisdwyer
03-12-2015, 02:15 AM
I'd be happy with Gotoh UPT's on all my Ukes. They're definitely my favourate type of tuner.

TLab3000
03-12-2015, 05:48 AM
Then I change strings on my other ukes, which have good quality geared tuners, and I get frustrated with all that needless numerous turns needed to get a string to pitch.

Really stretching the strings while putting them on helps a lot.


What reason (apart from cost, maybe) is there not to have UPTs on all ukes, regardless of size?

The UPTs are light, smooth as butter and hold strings in tune excellently. Plus, they don't have uke ears.

I don't think they are light. Here's the weight per set of some better known tuners:
21g Peghed geared tuners (1:4 ratio)
30g Gotoh UKA Deluxe (Aluminium construction)
37g Waverly friction tuners
64g Gotoh UPT Planetary 1:4 ratio
(Source) (https://dailyukulele.wordpress.com/compare-tuning-pegtuner-weights/)

On a 300g soprano, that can make a difference.

What I personally would like to see on many ukuleles, is locking tuners with knurled thump screws that keep the strings pre-tension and improve the tuning stability. Gotoh makes them for guitars and I love them. They could be very light and still inexpensive.
But I certainly agree, geared tuners would be nicer.

DownUpDave
03-12-2015, 05:50 AM
I'd be happy with Gotoh UPT's on all my Ukes. They're definitely my favourate type of tuner.

What Hollis said........+2. I bought a Pono ET-PC that I had HMS switch out the tuners to UTP and it looks and works great. I have another tenor with them on and a custom tenor I should receive in a few weeks that will have them, so yea I like 'em. ;)

But that does not mean they SHOULD come on every uke............just every uke I own :shaka:

UkerDanno
03-12-2015, 06:30 AM
Should all ukes be koa or mahogany? That's what I like, so that's what everybody should like, right?!?!?!

dirtiestkidever
03-12-2015, 06:40 AM
I wouldn't say they should be on all ukes but they are incredible tuners. I really don't think you need any more precision that they give you. They turn smooth as butter. They look great. And they are a low enough ratio that replacing strings is easy.

I was slow to jump on the UPT bandwagon because I don't love the looks. I certainly think they look better than standard geared tuners but in comparison to friction tuners they look at bit clunky from the back and a bit too high tech from the front. But then I got a uke that had them and I am smitten. They are my favorite tuners by a very wide margin.

janeray1940
03-12-2015, 06:45 AM
I'd be happy with them on all of my ukes (and yes, wouldn't complain if it bumped the cost up relative to the cost of the UPTs). New Kamakas all come with them and I find them preferable. I'm not bothered by friction tuners enough to retrofit my non-UPT Kamakas, but have definitely thought about it (and will probably do it one of these days, just because).

katysax
03-12-2015, 07:00 AM
I'd be happy with them on all of my ukes (and yes, wouldn't complain if it bumped the cost up relative to the cost of the UPTs). New Kamakas all come with them and I find them preferable. I'm not bothered by friction tuners enough to retrofit my non-UPT Kamakas, but have definitely thought about it (and will probably do it one of these days, just because).

The one uke that I did change the tuners on is the non-UPT Kamaka that I had. I thought a uke of that calibre should not have the horrible, impossible to adjust, binding tuners that were on mine. When a set of direct tuners is working, when they are smooth and adjustable, they are OK. I've got some ukes where the friction tuners work great. But for some reason my Kamaka was the uke with the worst tuners. I know there are lots of people whose Kamakas have tuners that work. Mine were terrible.

I like the Gotoh UPTs. They are generally my favorite. But, there is a place for the side geared tuners and some reasons to prefer them. There are also ukes where the friction tuners work fine. The Gotoh tuners add weight and expense. Also, while I used to dislike them, a slotted headstock can be kind of cool. I don't feel motivated to change out the tuners on any my ukes unless the tuners are not working well.

But I do generally agree that anyone making a uke over $500 or so ought to seriously consider using the UPTs and for me I want to see them on most concerts and probably most tenors.

janeray1940
03-12-2015, 07:05 AM
I know there are lots of people whose Kamakas have tuners that work. Mine were terrible.


You're definitely not the first I've heard say that! I think I've just been lucky with mine.

One other observation: in general, not all friction tuners are created equal. Despite being a Kamaka fangirl, I've got to admit that the friction tuners used on Koalohas are lightyears better than the ones Kamaka used to use.

lakesideglenn
03-12-2015, 07:18 AM
I like UPTs but lets not forget Pegheads...I think they look better on smaller ukes and they work wonderfully as well.

Ukulele Eddie
03-12-2015, 07:20 AM
While I strongly prefer geared tuners, I would not want only Gotoh UPTs. I put them on the Ron Yasuda I just sold and liked the feel, but would have preferred Pegheds due to weight on that uke. Plus, on some ukes I prefer the more plain look of Pegheds vs. UPT's. While I generally prefer rearward facing tuners like UPT's and Pegheds, on some headstocks I like the look of "eared" tuners. All depends. So I say choice is good! ;-)

dirtiestkidever
03-12-2015, 08:20 AM
I like UPTs but lets not forget Pegheads...I think they look better on smaller ukes and they work wonderfully as well.

PegHeds do look better and are also great tuners (my second favorite). But I have to say that UPTs are even better in function. Just unbelievably smooth.

katysax
03-12-2015, 08:26 AM
I have the Pegheds on a few ukes and they are good tuners but the UPTs function better. On a soprano I would probably prefer Pegheds on a Concert UPTs. On a tenor I am ok with UPTs, side geared tuners or slotted headstock.

sam13
03-12-2015, 09:53 AM
I am looking to change out the stiff crappy tuners on the Super Soprano Keli'i I have to Gotoh UPT's ... I never considered the weight ... would Peghead tuners work better or have less weight? I am not really concerned about the weight issue.

I realize that on this cheaper Uke ... has great tone ... it might be like putting a pool in the back yard when trying to sell it. But I am not sure I will ... I bought it for $185 barely used. Just thought it would help with keeping the strings in tune ... and they are easy to use.

ksiegel
03-12-2015, 10:16 AM
I have Pegheds on three ukes, and kjust had the friction tuners on my National changed out for Gotoh UPTs.

Heck, I had the standard geared tuners on my 5-string banjo changed out for planetary tuners 30-something years ago, too.

Do I like planetary tuners? Yup. Do I want them on all of my instruments? Nope. I really like the sealed gear tuners on my KoAloha Sceptre (which may be made by Gotoh, for all I know) and the sealed gear tuners on my Kala are quite lovely as well.

But generally, rather than friction tuners, I'd go with peghed or UPTs - depends on the instrument, and what the builder thinks.



-Kurt

wickedwahine11
03-12-2015, 11:23 AM
I adore my UPT tuners. They make changing strings a breeze now -- no more monotonous turning to get to pitch. I would want them on any non-slothead uke I ever own from now on.

Andy Chen
03-12-2015, 03:12 PM
Should all ukes be koa or mahogany? That's what I like, so that's what everybody should like, right?!?!?!

Obviously, I had phrased my question this way to start a discussion. You may chip in or not, your sarcasm really is not called for.

Andy Chen
03-12-2015, 03:19 PM
So, PegHeds and friction tuners are preferable for their weight. Sounds reasonable.

Geared tuners on some headstocks for looks. Fair enough but any other reasons? More precise tuning, perhaps?

Dan Uke
03-12-2015, 05:16 PM
I adore my UPT tuners. They make changing strings a breeze now -- no more monotonous turning to get to pitch. I would want them on any non-slothead uke I ever own from now on.


+1. I even put them on a uke with rabbit ears geared tuners! I got the ugly screw holes in the back but I like them that much!

ksiegel
03-12-2015, 05:47 PM
So, PegHeds and friction tuners are preferable for their weight. Sounds reasonable.

Geared tuners on some headstocks for looks. Fair enough but any other reasons? More precise tuning, perhaps?

The weight of the tuners doesn't mean anything to me - or at least, I don't notice it.

I don't care so much about the looks of the Pegheds as I care about the functionality. Granted, for the UPT tuners on the National I went with them for the looks (and after I had tried someone else's national with the Gotoh tuners) but that was as much because the Pegheds would have cost much more to install as it was for the aesthetic value.

I grew up with geared tuners on guitars, so to me they don't look out of place on a uke.

As to friction tuners, I can use them - if I really have to. I just don't particularly care for them.



-Kurt

TheCraftedCow
03-14-2015, 12:58 AM
It is interesting to read the comments about the PEGHEDS. Some of the comments seem to indicate that those who have them do not understand that the tension is variable by either lightly pulling out or lightly pushing in on the end of the button. When restringing the tension is almost all gone for removing strings, and increased as one gets close to the desired pitch. There are two different shaft lengths for different thicknesses of the headstock. 27.7mm or 19mm. Subtract the thickness of your headstock from the two different lengths to see what sticks out the back. There is a new version now in production. they are chrome annealed rather than black, and the grips are like ivory rather than a flat white colour . Prices are also less than UPTs. There are also four different diameters of shafts, so if you have a uke with a 10mm hole , it is not necessary to plug and drill another hole. they are 7.5 -- 8.5 -- 9.5 --10.5 mm.

Yes, I am a PEGHED distributor. My prices are also user friendly.

hawaii 50
03-14-2015, 04:38 AM
It is interesting to read the comments about the PEGHEDS. Some of the comments seem to indicate that those who have them do not understand that the tension is variable by either lightly pulling out or lightly pushing in on the end of the button. When restringing the tension is almost all gone for removing strings, and increased as one gets close to the desired pitch. There are two different shaft lengths for different thicknesses of the headstock. 27.7mm or 19mm. Subtract the thickness of your headstock from the two different lengths to see what sticks out the back. There is a new version now in production. they are chrome annealed rather than black, and the grips are like ivory rather than a flat white colour . Prices are also less than UPTs. There are also four different diameters of shafts, so if you have a uke with a 10mm hole , it is not necessary to plug and drill another hole. they are 7.5 -- 8.5 -- 9.5 --10.5 mm.

Yes, I am a PEGHED distributor. My prices are also user friendly.

I can get the UPT tuners at HMS for $59.00...how much are your tuners and where can I order from at that price..I have Pegheds on two of my ukes and UPT on two ukes also...I like them both...just a different look.....

thxs

ShibaUke
03-14-2015, 05:21 AM
sorry to be the dumb one here, but can someone explain the difference between all the different types of tuners? if someone could possibly post pics of each of the tuners side by side, that would be most helpful. i am sure all the other newbies would surely appreciate it. sure, i did a google search, but you end up seeing pics of the tuners without the instrument. no help at all there. thanks much!

Tim Mullins
03-14-2015, 07:31 AM
For my money, UPTs may be the best tuners avalable. They're smooth, hold tuning, 4:1 is the right ratio for accurate tuning without excess turning, the weight is not noticeable, no "ears" which also means the case doesn't need that peghead bulge, attractive appearance, and relative ease of installation. I'm sold!

Andy Chen
03-14-2015, 03:59 PM
Hi Tim, my sentiments, exactly.

Steveperrywriter
03-14-2015, 04:09 PM
It goes to taste, doesn't it? Some folks like vanilla, some chocolate, some both, some neither. If you ask a question about taste, you are gonna get varied answers ...

peterbright
03-14-2015, 04:12 PM
No...absolutely no way...give me the turns...I have a power winder. 4 to 1 does not interest me in the slightest.

Andy Chen
03-14-2015, 04:57 PM
It goes to taste, doesn't it? Some folks like vanilla, some chocolate, some both, some neither. If you ask a question about taste, you are gonna get varied answers ...

Hi Steve, it is taste to some extent, but not just about taste. There has to be distinct properties of each kind of tuners that appeal. And I believe I have spelled these out. Some others have listed out clearly their reasons for other kinds of tuners.

You could like one kind of tuners for looks and another for ease of use, but you can't really have a taste for something that appeals neither in looks nor function.

Andy Chen
03-14-2015, 05:00 PM
No...absolutely no way...give me the turns...I have a power winder. 4 to 1 does not interest me in the slightest.

Presumably for the more precise tuning? Surely, you cannot prefer more turns just because.

Steveperrywriter
03-14-2015, 05:57 PM
Thing is, Andy, what I consider good looks or precise function, somebody else will see as the opposite. My brand new uke has Robson tuners. They are expensive, but beautiful and exquisitely made. 18:1, and I like looks and the precision.

I learned when I was playing classical guitar that I was happier with the best tuners I could afford, so after I got into ukuleles, I wanted the same thing. Are they overkill? Not to me, they match the level of workmanship that went into the build. And it just happened that these were the first set of Robson tuners used on an ukulele. None of these things might be important to anybody else, but they were to me, so that's where I went.

So my answer to the original query is, No, Gotohs ought not be on all ukes ...

Andy Chen
03-14-2015, 06:14 PM
Hi Steve, I appreciate the finer things in life, too - when I can afford it, that is.

Yours is as good a reason as any. If I were to have a Beau Hannam that is as gorgeous as the one you recently received, I would want the best-looking tuners, too.

Rakelele
03-14-2015, 08:37 PM
To me, with tuners it is just like with ukes in general: I like the variety, to see how they all look and work differently, and how thy complement the overal design of an instrument.

One thing that is for sure is that I would rather want Gotoh UPTs or Pegheds instead of any friction tuners. Both give you a classic look along with the comfort of tuning accurately. But since I like some of my ukes to be "Guitar-like", I prefer a slotted headstock or "ears" on those.

wayfarer75
03-15-2015, 02:22 AM
I like the Gotoh UPTs on my Kamaka pineapple. I like the geared "ears" on my Kelii concert. I don't need UPTs on everything, but I tried out a Kamaka with the Schaller friction tuners--did NOT like those. As an alternative to poorly functioning friction tuners, they're great.

Olarte
03-15-2015, 02:39 AM
I have both and I prefer peghed tuners except on the risa sticks they look and feel great with the planetary UPT tuners.