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tangimango
04-26-2015, 11:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wapkpiDFujg

tangimango
04-26-2015, 11:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22GwjxN3awg

Hippie Dribble
04-26-2015, 11:26 PM
Well, heard it all now. Any idea how this ended up?

Here in Hobart there was an outcry last year at Salamanca Market about a similar issues involving amplification of buskers. It's an absolute joke and we all signed a petition to council. (It was ultimately overturned and sanity prevailed). It's not like we have mobile 7piece drum kits or are playing death metal.

Those awesome folks on Waikiki - as at our market - are enhancing the vibe of the town, bringing love and aloha and passing on the beautiful culture of the islands. And if you told any of the tourists about them being "turned down" they'd think you were joking.

Luke El U
04-27-2015, 12:06 AM
They say that without an amp they can hardly hear themselves? Really?

Might then hearing aids be the answer? Or just getting away from all that traffic?

I have to agree with getting rid of the amps, but not the ukes and voices.

macho555
04-27-2015, 12:16 AM
These are the types of situations that truly blow my mind...That issue came up because someone at some point had to pass this group of retirees playing their ukuleles and dancing, having a good time on a sunny beach, and said to themselves, "That makes me angry! I'd better complain until someone makes them stop enjoying themselves!" Hippie Dribble hit it right on the head, it's not as though they were blasting screamo at the passerbys.

I hope they get it resolved, and I hope I'm never as miserable as the people who made the complaints in the first place.

hammer40
04-27-2015, 12:38 AM
One mans coffee, is another mans tea. You have to follow the local ordinances, or find a way to get them changed. Granted this is a nice respectful group who gather, but if a rapper or hard rocking group showed up, maybe then it's them who are unhappy. So either get the permit to play plugged in, or unplug.

I can see where playing right next to a busy street, where the traffic noise can be quite loud, would make it harder to hear themselves, but then just move to a more appropriate area to play, so you can. After all, are they there for themselves or to play for the public?

It does suck as it is, that when you just want to relax at the beach, hear the sound of the surf rolling in and tune out your troubles, that you have to listen to other people's radio's blasting all around you.

I won't judge the person(s) who complained, you have to follow the rules.

RAB11
04-27-2015, 01:48 AM
One mans coffee, is another mans tea. You have to follow the local ordinances, or find a way to get them changed. Granted this is a nice respectful group who gather, but if a rapper or hard rocking group showed up, maybe then it's them who are unhappy. So either get the permit to play plugged in, or unplug.

I can see where playing right next to a busy street, where the traffic noise can be quite loud, would make it harder to hear themselves, but then just move to a more appropriate area to play, so you can. After all, are they there for themselves or to play for the public?

It does suck as it is, that when you just want to relax at the beach, hear the sound of the surf rolling in and tune out your troubles, that you have to listen to other people's radio's blasting all around you.

I won't judge the person(s) who complained, you have to follow the rules.

Spot on. I actually don't think the style of music played has anything to do with it. You're never going to please everyone with that and for every person moaning about a hard rock band on a high street you'll find just as many people thinking it's awesome, surely?

Icelander53
04-27-2015, 04:12 AM
These are the types of situations that truly blow my mind...That issue came up because someone at some point had to pass this group of retirees playing their ukuleles and dancing, having a good time on a sunny beach, and said to themselves, "That makes me angry! I'd better complain until someone makes them stop enjoying themselves!" Hippie Dribble hit it right on the head, it's not as though they were blasting screamo at the passerbys.

I hope they get it resolved, and I hope I'm never as miserable as the people who made the complaints in the first place.

^^ agree ^^^^^^

bborzell
04-27-2015, 04:22 AM
I think that a complaint about complainers provides a sense of general continuity.

Mooh
04-27-2015, 05:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNKEtXHyYVQ

Or this, "...shut your festering gob...". Light entertainment police.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

Killjoys abound, and they win when we can't beat them with rationale.

spookelele
04-27-2015, 05:30 AM
Here's the thing though... it's the law.
The cop's had warned them about amplification, and then they continued and got the boot.

Although.. it's unfortunate, I don't think the police are to blame.

Say there's an evangelist with a bullhorn, or someone playing music that might be offensive on a boombox. The police go to them, and say to turn it off. Those people can then sue the city because the law lets the uke players use amplification, but not them.

You may say it's not the same.. but that's the thing. The law must treat everyone the same. When the law is applied differently to different people, that is discrimination.

Icelander53
04-27-2015, 06:32 AM
Agree that the cops don't make the law.

Rllink
04-27-2015, 06:47 AM
These are the types of situations that truly blow my mind...That issue came up because someone at some point had to pass this group of retirees playing their ukuleles and dancing, having a good time on a sunny beach, and said to themselves, "That makes me angry! I'd better complain until someone makes them stop enjoying themselves!" Hippie Dribble hit it right on the head, it's not as though they were blasting screamo at the passerbys.

I hope they get it resolved, and I hope I'm never as miserable as the people who made the complaints in the first place.
Actually, I'll bet that someone was playing loud music on a boom box, or someone was on a bullhorn, or something like that, and they were told to stop. So then they said, 'what about the old farts playing ukulele, why don't they have to stop." And so the old farts playing the ukulele got a visit as well. I doubt that anyone passing by complained to the police about it. If I can't do it, no one can. That is usually what these things are about.

SteveZ
04-27-2015, 07:02 AM
If the video is truly representative, it's tough to understand why the folk don't find another site away from the traffic noise and pedestrian conjestion. They may have started playing there years ago, but the place apparently has evolved into a busy and noisy area. Sometimes "pushing a rope" is just not logical, especially when there are surely several sites which would be glad to have them and their loyal following, places more conducive to a musical experience than next to a busy street full of traffic.

Down Up Dick
04-27-2015, 07:05 AM
Can't we all just get along? :old:

tangimango
04-27-2015, 10:04 AM
Heres my prespective since i live in waikiki amd work there as well. I believe they were targeted by prankster or just straight up haters. Cops have nothing to with any of this. They just to enforce the complaint. If any knows waikiki, its noisy place. Its the manhantan of newyork, or vegas strip. No amplification must be something new. If you been to waikiki your see dozens of.performers using amps, dancers, christian church groups 20 kids littery on the side walk singing with mic and amp. Chritians with there bull horn preaching that god loves you, oh don't forget the Jamaican drummer, dosnt needa amp. It's loud. Even famous uke players performed on the streets of waikiki, like that little kid aiden, to taimane and more famous performers on amps. You should see waikiki shell, you can hear them 200 yards away with there 100000 watt amp. Or even evey open hotel live music bands. Then comes these elder group that have been playing for 20 years under a pavilion with good amount of seats for them near the beach, also under the pavilions are homeless sleeping and peeing, drug dealers , druggys smoking marijane and ice but who does the cop go after. The eldely ukulele players, who is just showing a true hawaiian tradition, its part of hawaii culture. But laws do change , and no amps must be something just recent.

spookelele
04-27-2015, 10:25 AM
Maybe those people had a permit?

Ukejenny
04-27-2015, 11:38 AM
So sad that the Cheerios always seem to get pissed on. No matter what. But, in that case, you buy a new box of Cheerios and try eating them elsewhere. Were they all amplified, or just one or two leaders to keep the group together?

Ukejenny
04-27-2015, 11:40 AM
I would like to register a formal complaint to the powers that be at UU about the complainers complaining about this complaining thread about complainers. It may have affected my self esteem, or general sense of wellbeing, or something, durnit. :rulez:

Hippie Dribble
04-27-2015, 01:25 PM
I would like to register a formal complaint to the powers that be at UU about the complainers complaining about this complaining thread about complainers. It may have affected my self esteem, or general sense of wellbeing, or something, durnit. :rulez:

Your complaint is registered. Shall pass it on to those in the Complaints Dept. :p

Nickie
04-27-2015, 01:45 PM
Can't we all just get along? :old:

hear hear!

Luke El U
04-27-2015, 01:57 PM
This story sounds like a Disney movie in the works, the title of which might be one of the following . . .

"Old Yellers"
"Lady and the Amp"
"Keep 'Em from Sleeping, Beauty"
"One Hundred and One Citations"

Hippie Dribble
04-27-2015, 02:00 PM
This story sounds like a Disney movie in the works, the title of which might be one of the following . . .

"Old Yellers"
"Lady and the Amp"
"Keep 'Em from Sleeping, Beauty"
"One Hundred and One Citations"
Post of the Day!!!! Gold! :)

Icelander53
04-27-2015, 02:03 PM
hear hear!

I have found the best way to deal with complainers is not to care. There seems to be a regular trickle of these kinds of threads where offense is taken to someone else's contrary opinion of what we value. I think it's a big mistake to indulge in caring what others think about the things we care about. If we really, fully, without reservations care about what we love, what others think will have very little impact on our world. My 2 cents.

As to this particular topic I think the cops had to enforce the laws equally. Until someone changes the laws then things will be this way.

Luke El U
04-27-2015, 02:13 PM
Post of the Day!!!! Gold! :)

Thank you Hippie Dribble. I always enjoy reading your posts as well!

spookelele
04-27-2015, 02:28 PM
Can't we all just get along?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh9s85q6unY

Fred Ukestone
04-27-2015, 03:33 PM
No one has ever complained at Subiaco Farmers Markets.

Hey Bill,

I know why nobody complains at Subiaco Market, at least in the summer anyway........It's too bloody hot, mate!!

Drowning in your own sweat is not particularly elegant.

I used to live on Rockeby Road, Subiaco.

Hippie Dribble
04-27-2015, 03:48 PM
Hey Bill,

I know why nobody complains at Subiaco Market, at least in the summer anyway........It's too bloody hot, mate!!

Drowning in your own sweat is not particularly elegant.

I used to live on Rockeby Road, Subiaco.
ROCKeby Rd!!! Where else would Fred & Wilma live? :)

Booli
04-27-2015, 05:41 PM
This is so sad.

Some folks have no aloha and have to rain on the parades of others. ("Misery loves company...")

While it might be 'the law', how often is 'the law' actually enforced when it brings joy to more folks than not when previously the cops might have just not enforced the law (and just let them play anyway)?

mm stan
04-27-2015, 06:39 PM
Just takes one sour person to ruin it for all. How selfish. . We hear the vocal minority grumble but almost
Don't realize the happiness brought to the majority. Isn't that sounds like the law in so many worded ways..

katysax
04-27-2015, 06:52 PM
I used to go to Waikiki primarily to play with this group. It's a great group and it's been going a long time. Because of this group I bought my first ukulele in 1998. They use a tiny amp and have been using one for years. When they got kicked off they tried to get a permit and were told they could not get one. It's utter nonsense to say its the law and the police have no choice. Police exercise discretion hundreds of times every day. If this group is shut down it will be a real loss.

Hippie Dribble
04-27-2015, 07:07 PM
I used to go to Waikiki primarily to play with this group. It's a great group and it's been going a long time. Because of this group I bought my first ukulele in 1998. They use a tiny amp and have been using one for years. When they got kicked off they tried to get a permit and were told they could not get one. It's utter nonsense to say its the law and the police have no choice. Police exercise discretion hundreds of times every day. If this group is shut down it will be a real loss.

Aye. Preach it Sista!

drbekken
04-27-2015, 07:30 PM
It's the same everywhere. I remember being in New Orleans a few years ago, and there was a big debate going on about whether or not to ban street performers from the French Quarter....and that's a city which is absolutely thriving on its musical culture. The street performers are still there, fortunately.
Up here in the almost-arctic, shopkeepers complain all day long about various buskers, who they claim are 'bad for business'. Oh well.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DB7C7BgxEWw
The singer of this song was a street performer, by the way. Just saying.

mm stan
04-27-2015, 08:57 PM
I wish they expose the complainant and let them have street justice by boycotting the business into
Foreclosure. They aren't happy there anyways..

spookelele
04-27-2015, 10:36 PM
While it might be 'the law'

If you don't like the law, you fight the law.
You do not fight those that enforce the law for doing their jobs.
They need to enforce the law evenly because otherwise it's ripe for abuse.

When you're getting robbed, and you call the police.. do you really want them to consider if they should come or not?

The uke group is not entirely blameless. If you're told not to use amplification because it was against the rules, and then decide to continue and get kicked out... what else were you expecting? Realistically, there's probably a fine associated with the infraction, which if it was ticketed, they'd have said so. To say the police were at fault here and not cutting them any slack I think is not fair.

Icelander53
04-28-2015, 02:40 AM
This is so sad.

Some folks have no aloha and have to rain on the parades of others. ("Misery loves company...")

While it might be 'the law', how often is 'the law' actually enforced when it brings joy to more folks than not when previously the cops might have just not enforced the law (and just let them play anyway)?

If the law doesn't work then why doesn't this "vast majority" who loves this not change this law? People sure love to complain about complainers but they have just as much right under the law as you and I and if the law is on their side and I've done nothing but bitch then that's just tough for me imo.

Very few people want to actually fix a problem. It takes effort. Complaining is easy.