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JJFN
04-30-2015, 10:13 AM
I was fooling around playing an F9 chord when I accidentally played this chord, 3000. It sounds pretty nice with the F9, but I can't figure out a name for it. Help please!

RAB11
04-30-2015, 10:45 AM
I put it into a reverse chord generator and it came out with Am/A#, which is a bit of a cop out, I know. Played it on my uke, didn't like the sound of it. But each to their own.

JJFN
04-30-2015, 10:57 AM
Thanks RAB11. Am/A# makes sense. What is a reverse chord generator?

stevepetergal
04-30-2015, 12:12 PM
It looks like a C7 with a suspended sixth. In re-entrant tuning, I wouldn't use it as a stand-alone chord. Maybe with linear. (Are you playing low G?)
In context it's not so odd. Try this: 2001 (exact same chord in re-entrant), open G string as a passing note, and resolve to 2010 (or 0010 as your F9 chord).

JJFN
04-30-2015, 12:31 PM
Thank you Stevepetergal, yes, I was tuned low G, linear. When strummed with the F9 it had a jazzy sound to me. I'm working on a further progression from these two chords.

Dougf
04-30-2015, 01:19 PM
I would consider it a C13, which can also be played as 3453, both go very well with F9 played as 2333. These chords can function as the I and IV in jazzy blues.

CeeJay
04-30-2015, 01:36 PM
I was fooling around playing an F9 chord when I accidentally played this chord, 3000. It sounds pretty nice with the F9, but I can't figure out a name for it. Help please!

Umm, Booo ?

Sorry . I'll just be over here putting my coat on .......

Umm, Dissonant ? Although I am all re-entrant ........so that doesn't help.

JJFN
04-30-2015, 01:55 PM
Thanks Dougf, I'm working with the basic jazz progressions seeing what I can come up with. I do play the F9, 2333. Also use the jazz progression Glen Rose suggests.

JJFN
04-30-2015, 01:56 PM
CeeJay, I'm not sure I understand your message.

CeeJay
04-30-2015, 02:12 PM
CeeJay, I'm not sure I understand your message.

You would be right not to.

I would call the chord Booo....like Boo with an extra "0".....3000 ...Booo ....oh .....like on a numberplate ...when you make words up....or is that just me ...uh oh ...?

And having played it is sounding truly awful on a re-entrant uke....so therefore Dissonant

never mind me ...I drift in and out of threads and annoy or amuse in equal quantities ......it's the British in me......or the english in the British ..not sure ...

Toodle Pip

Dan Uke
04-30-2015, 07:38 PM
It's used a lot in Hawaiian music where you play F chord and then you slide it up on the 4th string for Low G ie White Sandy Beach.

Here is a Tahitian song that is also in the key of F.

http://youtu.be/RCRbSJYj9BQ

good_uke_boy
05-01-2015, 01:13 AM
In his Fingerstyle Solos for Ukulele, Mark Nelson uses 3-0-0-0 in "Over the Rainbow" at one point to conclude the basic melody and to tee up its repetition. The chord symbol over this bar is C7, but that spelling might be there for another instrument to use when strumming alongside.

Edit/addition: I believe Mark Nelson's arrangement is in F.

k0k0peli
05-01-2015, 05:35 AM
3-0-0-1 would be a pretty 'true' C7 so maybe 3-0-0-0 is C7dim. Right.

Ukejenny
05-01-2015, 05:58 AM
The mighty Uke Buddy chord namer says "no chords found"... So, you could call is Qm.

http://ukebuddy.com/chord-namer

JJFN
05-01-2015, 06:15 AM
Qm, I like that Uke Jenny. So now we have found three versions of the C13. 3000, 3453 and 3200. They all sound good with the F9. Since they are the I IV jazzy chords I will have fun filling in the blanks. Very interesting. Thanks to everyone for your help.

Freeda
05-01-2015, 08:02 AM
I call it Bob.

Rllink
05-01-2015, 08:12 AM
I can't remember who gave me this, but it is a very good site to find chords. You can enter the name of the chord, or you can put in the fingering and get the name of the chord. It works great, and you can put it on your computer to use it when you are not connected to the internet. It says C13 by the way.http://ukulelehelper.com/index.html#

JJFN
05-01-2015, 09:55 AM
Thank you Rllink this is another useful site. C13 is definitely in the lead. LOL

Ukejenny
05-01-2015, 04:22 PM
Why "m" on a major chord?

This is why I don't trust the output of chord tools—their palette is usually limited to more frequently used chords, voicings or names, and some only offer one name for a shape, ignoring the role of context in interpretation. One tool (until recently) claimed you couldn't play extended chords like 9ths, 11ths, 13ths and 6/9s on the ukulele—I lived in fear the Ukulele Police would arrest me for my frequent violations.

There is a sometimes used wildcard symbol for chord names: *. So, dodging the question, one could call the chord C7*.


Pretty sure it was a joke...

JustinJ
05-02-2015, 05:37 AM
I like to picture chords on a piano. It helps me understand music easier than on a guitar. A piano is linear and you can see the key and the steps on a keyboard. I'll put this chord 3000 in order from low to high notes. I'm assuming a high G tuning. If it is not in high g it still would not change the chord name.


The lowest note is from C E G (A# or B flat these are the same) The tritone C chord is CEG . This chord is in the root position, which is another way of saying that the C of the chord is the bottom tone. You think of this as a basic C chord with the C note being the lowest note.

Now, we have the A# or B#, which makes this a C7. Now a 7th chord is just a triad CEG with the 7th added. Now if we use a C scale starting from the bottom CDEFGABC . B is the 7th. Start with first C at the number 1. Then just go up in order. C 1 E 3 G is 5 B is 7

A tritone chord is simply 1-3-5 in a scale. This is why it is good to know some scales. Spend a little time understanding the circle of fifths and the this will help you learn what notes are sharp and flat in a scale. The C major scale is nice to work with because it has no sharps or flats.

Now since this 7th is flatened a half step, it makes it a Dominant 7th chord or a C7 which is the same thing only a shortened way of writing it. .





Extra stuff, do not read if you're not interested. If you want to make a minor chord then flatten the the third of the 135 notes in a scale. When you flatten on the ukulele or guitar, you just go down a fret. So if you can not read music,then if we have 3 0 0 0 and I want to flatten the note for three, it would look like this 2 0 0 0


I'm teaching my children the piano as their first instrument, since it builds a good foundation for musical understanding. There is a reason why when you major in music that you have keyboard studies, even if it is not your main instrument. A piano is very visual. You learn about bass, chord and melodies and combining them. You do not have to play the piano well to understand music. So if you have a chance or can access to a piano, pick up a book on music theory. Work through the book without worrying about your playing and the get the idea of how music is made.

JustinJ
05-02-2015, 09:12 AM
Thanks for catching this on the minor chord. I corrected this. I do not know why I typed lower 5th. I need to be more careful.

Since I learned piano first, it is easier for me to go from piano to strings. Even easier is just building chords on music notation.

I will start looking at the fretboard as you pointed and see. I would like to discuss your approach more in private, if you do not mind.

I'm sure we're boring others.

I don't like to quibble when you're trying to be so helpful, but…

Careful with "tritone"—it has the special meaning of three whole steps (the interval of the augmented 4th, which is enharmonically equivalent to a diminished fifth). Safer to say "triad".

Only the tonic (I) triad is the 1-3-5 in a scale. The other natural triads are formed by starting on some other note in the scale and jumping successive notes: 2-4-6, 3-5-7…. (Admittedly, all these natural triads are the I triads in other modes or keys, but that's the wrong frame of reference for how chords are constructed in a key.) The augmented triad isn't naturally formed in any standard diatonic scale, unless you consider the minor harmonic pattern, which may have no bearing on the augmented triad when encountered.

I'm sure you meant "Now, we have the A# or Bb,…"

To make a minor chord, you flatten only the 3rd, not the 5th. If you flatten both, it's a diminished triad. The 3 in 3000 is the (minor) 7th, relative to the root C, so flatting it doesn't affect the note for your "three" (the third relative to the root) but rather produces either a major 6th or a diminished 7th, and doubles the 6th/13th on string 1; the resulting chord, however, will almost always be perceived not as a C-rooted chord but as Am. (Some might use it as an incomplete C6, but without external support or great familiarity with the original version of the song, the brain just won't interpret it that way.)

Plotting things out on a piano is fine for C chords, and it's great for understanding how intervals are named and how minor chords and sevenths and such were derived, but once you stray to other roots, the white/black pattern can throw you off, and translating to piano terms is a huge, unnecessary level of indirection. I find it easier to figure out intervals in raw semitones directly on the fretboard—the fixed jumps from string to string are actually an aid, since you just add and subtract from them as you move up or down from your root reference fret. And I don't even have to consider note names (except to name the root of a chord, or unless I need to explain in gory detail to other people). The biggest challenge is figuring out what the proper root is, particularly for chord voicings where the root isn't played, as is common in extended chords. That's where progression theory and ear training help immensely.

k0k0peli
05-03-2015, 07:36 AM
I'll suggest that 3000 is a different chord if the 'uke is tuned high-G (G4, C4, E4, A4), low-G (G3, C4, E4, A4), low-C (G4, C3, E4, A4) and more so on my Kala KA-6 (G4, C3-C4, E4, A3-A4). I'll also suggest that 3000's chord name varies depending on the key and progression of what's being played. Is the root or some interval dropped? And is the chord's name important when playing?

JJFN
05-03-2015, 02:47 PM
Thank you kOkOpeli when I came across this chord I was tuned low G on a tenor ukulele. From the information I received, I think the chord is a C13, although I usually play the C13, 3453. I am finding out that chords fretted the same way have different names. Very deep into music theory. At 71, I'm not sure I have the time or patience to delve that deeply into theory. But it is very interesting and I am enjoying every minute of my ukulele journey. This was a very interesting thread. And I would like to thank everyone for their help.