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spookelele
09-10-2015, 11:36 AM
So.. reality check hit me today. This guy is playing a laminate kala ka-t, directly into an iPhone.

I think Im gonna watch this guy every time I think my recording equipment isn't good enough, or I need to upgrade..... anything.... Need to browse less, and play more. Just thought I'd throw this out there. What he gets out of so little is amazing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXjp1W6JQ-o

bunnyf
09-10-2015, 12:13 PM
Spookelele, that was priceless! Confirms what I have known for some time. I could have stuck with my $70 15yr old Lanik LU 21-B and saved myself a lot of $$$. Thousands$ later and I still sound like rubbish.

johnson430
09-10-2015, 12:18 PM
Need to browse less, and play more.

+1
Add me to this list.
I do like practicing and noodling but I usually do that after the little one goes to sleep.
And I do a quick read through the forums because I enjoy reading what is going on in the UU community. (Added bonus: I love observing human behavior in forums)

johnson430
09-10-2015, 12:33 PM
Spookelele, that was priceless! Confirms what I have known for some time. I could have stuck with my $70 15yr old Lanik LU 21-B and saved myself a lot of $$$. Thousands$ later and I still sound like rubbish.

Haha, perhaps that is why I haven't upgraded. I don't think I am "good enough" for a better instrument. (Although a Pono MGT is no slouch)

As far as the sound of a uke: there was a great thread recently about how players influence an instrument. It was a good read.
http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?110094-Player-s-influence-on-instrument-s-sound

turtledrum
09-10-2015, 01:06 PM
That was incredible! Winter is coming!

peanuts56
09-10-2015, 01:47 PM
Very nice and creative. Sad to say I had never heard the Game Of Thrones Theme before. I've never seen the show either. It's a very interesting piece of music. Who is the composer?

Pueo
09-10-2015, 02:13 PM
Great Stuff, I ended up watching a few more of his vids.
Mahalo for sharing!

sukie
09-10-2015, 02:54 PM
You speak the truth.

JustinJ
09-10-2015, 05:24 PM
The guy in the video is amazing. He's a one man symphony.

I am impressed with how he does his arrangements. I do not listen to Metallica as a band. I know some of their songs. I listened to his Metallica cover. He squeezed some amazing tones out his ukulele.

Booli
09-10-2015, 11:45 PM
So.. reality check hit me today. This guy is playing a laminate kala ka-t, directly into an iPhone.

I think Im gonna watch this guy every time I think my recording equipment isn't good enough, or I need to upgrade..... anything.... Need to browse less, and play more. Just thought I'd throw this out there. What he gets out of so little is amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXjp1W6JQ-o


Awesome video!

BTW the Kala KA-T is the first uke I bought and even though I now have more than a dozen ukes in the 2 1/2 yrs since, this one still gets regular play and sounds even better now than when it was new.

Also, in his video of the 'Law & Order' theme (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT23bwUPHpU), you can see very prominently in the video that he is using an Apogee MiC ($199). I have one and can attest to the amazing fidelity that this mic can capture (works on Mac, iOS and Linux with no drivers, not sure about Windows). Apogee products are widely regarded among some of the best available and I am just a happy customer.

Thanks for sharing :)

coolkayaker1
09-11-2015, 12:08 AM
'I've been telling people with an iPhone or IPad to record directly into it for a long time.

$200-300 worth of Apogee or other junk to record is fussy and unnecessary from everything I've seen and tried.

Some argue that there's too much ambient noise with direct recording. I've not had any ambient noise whatsoever; it's all as simple as proper mic placement. If one lives in a subway station, their mileage may vary.

Thanks for posting a video that drives the point home, spook.

Booli
09-11-2015, 12:35 AM
'I've been telling people with an iPhone or IPad to record directly into it for a long time.

$200-300 worth of Apogee or other junk to record is fussy and unnecessary from everything I've seen and tried

Respectfully, I have to disagree with you.

The Apogee MiC and Apogee JAM connect via a SINGLE cable either to USB or to your iOS device. There's no fussing at all with multiple mics, mic stands, multiple XLR, USB and RCA cables and preamps and such, it's ONE cable and that's IT. That's why I use it, because of how easy it is to setup.

While a 'decent' recording can be had with the pinhole electret mic in an iOS device, a superior recording can be captured with a mic that has a 25mm diaphragm such as an Apogee MiC.

The active surface area that captures sound in an iPhone's/iPad's mic is only about 2mm in diameter. (I know first hand since I've taken dozens of them apart for family members to replace batteries and cracked screens with instructions and parts from ifixit.com)

The Apogee MiC's high-quality transducer element inside the mesh grill, is at least 10x the size of that inside any iOS device.

On average a larger surface area transducer will produce a more accurate capture of natural sound vs a smaller area transducer. This is simple physics, and generally accepted scientific fact.

However, most average folks lack the hearing acuity to hear any difference, and for them, ignorance is bliss.

*I* like the Apogee products and will use them to great effect.

Please don't bash specific products you've not had meaningful hands-on experience with, or even understand how and why they work the way that they do, it's not very nice...

Mivo
09-11-2015, 12:36 AM
Not unusual that amateurs compensate for their perceived lack of skill or progress by dropping money on the "problem"! I did that when I first was into Go (the Asian board game), importing stones and boards from China, and building up a library of around a hundred books on the subject (most way beyond my level of understanding). Kind of glad I did that, though, since it's a nice collection now with many out-of-print books!

Anyway, I do the same with ukuleles, just to a less extreme degree. I only have one expensive (over $1k), and I have no strong urge to buy more right now. I don't feel it's wasted money, either. We may not utilize these more costly instruments to the fullest or tap into their real potential, but they motivate us to play and practice -- and that leads to improvement. So in a roundabout way, expensive ukuleles do make us play better. :)

Booli
09-11-2015, 12:55 AM
Not unusual that amateurs compensate for their perceived lack of skill or progress by dropping money on the "problem"! I did that when I first was into Go (the Asian board game), importing stones and boards from China, and building up a library of around a hundred books on the subject (most way beyond my level of understanding). Kind of glad I did that, though, since it's a nice collection now with many out-of-print books!

Anyway, I do the same with ukuleles, just to a less extreme degree. I only have one expensive (over $1k), and I have no strong urge to buy more right now. I don't feel it's wasted money, either. We may not utilize these more costly instruments to the fullest or tap into their real potential, but they motivate us to play and practice -- and that leads to improvement. So in a roundabout way, expensive ukuleles do make us play better. :)

Mivo - In case you are referring to me with regard to amateurs throwing money and gear at a problem...

...you may not be aware of my extensive technical detail in my posts here on this forum over the past 2 1/2 years (and MANY recently, just check my previous posts), that are a direct result of knowledge gained from my hands-on experience with all forms of media production (audio/video/film/music/photography/animation) and performance over the past 25+ yrs. So you can exclude me from this list of amateurs.

If you were referring to someone else, then I apologize for occupying your attention.

Please carry on...

Mivo
09-11-2015, 01:10 AM
Mivo - In case you are referring to me with regard to amateurs throwing money and gear at a problem...

No, I wasn't referring to anyone in particular! I was describing something I have observed in just about any field and any hobby, whether it's sports, audio and music, cycling -- just anywhere, really. It's definitely something I do myself, too. It's not even about actual skill, just perceived skill (or the lack of it), dissatisfaction with the speed of progress, or the belief that these are results of insufficient gear, so we buy better gear.

It was not in reference to any specific person, or even meant to be negative or derogatory. I apologize if it seemed differently. (I also don't use the term "amateur" negative - to me, it's just someone not making a living from what they are doing, it's not automatically synonymous with lesser skill to me.)

Booli
09-11-2015, 01:20 AM
No, I wasn't referring to anyone in particular! I was describing something I have observed in just about any field and any hobby, whether it's sports, audio and music, cycling -- just anywhere, really. It's definitely something I do myself, too. It's not even about actual skill, just perceived skill (or the lack of it), dissatisfaction with the speed of progress, or the belief that these are results of insufficient gear, so we buy better gear.

It was not in reference to any specific person, or even meant to be negative or derogatory. I apologize if it seemed differently. (I also don't use the term "amateur" negative - to me, it's just someone not making a living from what they are doing, it's not automatically synonymous with lesser skill to me.)

Thank you for clarifying. Your reply and what you've said above is something that I truly appreciate.

Sorry if I came across as harsh or accusative, I have not have my morning coffee yet, so please accept my apology as well.

No worries. Mahalo :shaka:

keod
09-11-2015, 01:47 AM
Spookelele, thanks so much for posting this video. While I don`t dismiss the value of high quality ukes or recording equipment, this is an excellent reminder that these things are not an absolute necessity :D. I too will be listening to this video whenever UAS strikes......and just to remind myself how special the uke really is. This really made my day!!!!

spookelele
09-11-2015, 02:22 AM
Also, in his video of the 'Law & Order' theme (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT23bwUPHpU), you can see very prominently in the video that he is using an Apogee MiC ($199).

Yes, in his newer vids he uses an apogee. The ones pre-august 2014, like the one I posted, he's recording directly into his iPhone on a little stand. There's some post he's doing on his mac, to add some reverb, and to drop some of the bass lines, but that doesn't change the fact that he CAN use a entry laminate uke, his iPhone mic, and talent to produce some very enjoyable music.

The point I was trying to share isn't that you can't get better quality from a studio recording setup. Obviously you can. The jaw dropper to me was how much you can do without all that. Sometimes we just need to do it, rather than make excuses about how what we've got isn't good enough, and cripple ourselves with doubt. This humble guy, with his humble setup, kicks some serious @$$ and cranked out some incredible stuff with just an entry instrument and his phone on a table.

In the comments section of this vid, he explains his recording setup, and editing. I was looking into examples of what people used to record their stuff, and when I realized what he'd done, I was stunned that he produced so many of his videos with just the ka-t, and an iPhone propped on a table. Alot of people start on budget/beginner stuff, and then the internet decieves us to believe we need to buy more to do more, when really music comes from a human, and not tech. That's the part that's easy to forget.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF5fFWgqfUs

Mivo
09-11-2015, 02:55 AM
Is the built-in microphone of the iPad (Air 2) substantially worse than that of the iPhone? Because I can't seem to get recordings that are even remotely close to the quality heard in the video. I never had an iPhone.

Been considering to get the Apogee MiC 96k or the newer iRig Mic Studio for a while now, mostly just for the convenience of not needing an interface and additional cables when recording sounds with the iPad (mostly kalimba). Booli, do you have first hand experience with the Apogee? Would you say it is worth the 260 it costs? I have a Rode NT1-A, a SM57, and a Blue Baby Bottle (as well as a Zoom H6), for context.

spookelele
09-11-2015, 02:58 AM
Spookelele, thanks so much for posting this video. While I don`t dismiss the value of high quality ukes or recording equipment, this is an excellent reminder that these things are not an absolute necessity :D. I too will be listening to this video whenever UAS strikes......and just to remind myself how special the uke really is. This really made my day!!!!

Oh.. I don't mean to imply better instruments and gear isn't better. Obviously they are.
What I'm trying to imply in this post is that they are NOT fundamental to making and sharing excellent music.
I think a lot of people build artificial barriers in their head about why we can't do things (me definitely included), when really we can if we just try.

The one lesson I find myself learning over and over especially as I get older, is that the biggest thing holding me back from doing and trying things.. is me. It's not money, it's not gear, it's not ability (well sometimes), but mostly it's doubt/fear that's really mostly unfounded.

Booli
09-11-2015, 03:27 AM
Booli, do you have first hand experience with the Apogee?

Hell yes!


Would you say it is worth the 260 it costs?

Definitely.


I have a Rode NT1-A, a SM57, and a Blue Baby Bottle (as well as a Zoom H6), for context.

Have you tried your Zoom H6 via USB as a USB mic? That might work well enough, and if you want to use it with an iOS device you can get the Apple USB adapter that plugs into the charging connector, called the 'Camera Connection Kit' which is $29USD everywhere I've seen it. I've used MANY USB and USB audio devices with my iPad 3 and this adapter, and they have a newer one with the Lightning connector for the same price.

You can also use any of your existing mics, either alone or in combination with the Zoom H6's built-in mics via the 2 XLR inputs and record that via USB, effectively using your H6 as a mic preamp and USB interface to the computer or iOS device. All you need to do is attach the mics to the H6 via XLR and then attach the H6 to your computer and make some test recordings in Audacity (which is free). Costs you nothing but some time to test it out.

Going this route is also a lot cheaper than buying more high-end equipment, even if you buy the Apple adapter mentioned above. It's on their web store under 'Accessories'.

For more info on some of my experiences with the Apogee MiC and Jam products, you might want to read my previous posts in any of the following threads:

http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?109516-Audio-Tutorial-1-Howto-EASY-simulated-stereo-from-a-mono-audio-file&highlight=apogee

http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?109410-Recording-with-an-iPad&highlight=apogee

http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?109330-Recording-set-up-(multi-track)&highlight=apogee

http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?103459-External-mic-recommendations&highlight=apogee

http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?102414-Apogee-Jam-Black-Friday-deal&highlight=apogee


I'lll be happy to help further if necessary.

Mivo
09-11-2015, 03:48 AM
I'lll be happy to help further if necessary.

Thanks! I'll read through the links you included. Appreciate it.

I have an interface for the iPad (an iRig Pro), and one for the PC (just a Focusrite 2i2), and I have the CCK (one reason why I bought the Air 2 was that I wanted to use it as a control device for the Analog RYTM), too, but I'd like to cut down on stuff I need for recording into the iPad (yeah, by buying more stuff... but maybe I'll sell something, some time!). The H6 is something I kind of regret buying, because I don't really need it, so I may let that one go at some point.

Just looking into options to streamline things more.

Booli
09-11-2015, 04:10 AM
I'd like to cut down on stuff I need for recording into the iPad ... Just looking into options to streamline things more.

This is one of the reasons why I purchased the Apogee products, i.e.:

Apogee device >> USB or iOS cable >> computer or iOS device

Another reason was the sound quality, as well as the excellent reputation of their products as being high-end and reliable.

buddhuu
09-11-2015, 04:14 AM
Off topic posts deleted.

Knock it off kids. This thread isn't about you.

keod
09-11-2015, 05:32 AM
Oh.. I don't mean to imply better instruments and gear isn't better. Obviously they are.
What I'm trying to imply in this post is that they are NOT fundamental to making and sharing excellent music.
I think a lot of people build artificial barriers in their head about why we can't do things (me definitely included), when really we can if we just try.

The one lesson I find myself learning over and over especially as I get older, is that the biggest thing holding me back from doing and trying things.. is me. It's not money, it's not gear, it's not ability (well sometimes), but mostly it's doubt/fear that's really mostly unfounded.

Thanks. I knew what you were saying, I just phrased my response poorly. You are so right, better stuff isn`t fundamental to making and sharing good music - trying is LOL.

JustinJ
09-11-2015, 01:14 PM
This thread illustrates what practice and hard work can do for you. This guy has put a lot of time in. It's humbling to watch him. With mass consumerism, we are trained earlier to look for the next big item. Very rarely are people encouraged to play the instruments they have. We embrace UAS maybe we need a new term. I suggest UDS (Ukulele Dedication Syndrome) or UPS (Ukulele Practice Syndrome) . How many people with this guy's uke model have upgraded because they thought it would improve their playing?


I stated this earlier but I'm impressed with his arrangements. He is a ukulele composer. His pieces are very musical. He makes it look simple which great musicians do .

You need impeccable timing for all these parts to come together. . When you think how he plays multiple ukuleles tracks and brings them to one song, it's even more impressive. This is not a backing track but him playing each part separately and putting it together.

I noticed a banjo, acoustic guitar, and electric guitar in the background. My guess is he can play those just as well as the uke.

Nickie
09-11-2015, 04:04 PM
This is really amazing. I have no idea how to make a video, nor do I feel confident enough to play in front of a camera, unless I'm leading a jam session.
I know I don't need a fancy uke yet. I have a ways to go to outgrow the ones I have.
I'm always very impressed by the talent that's out there.