ebay source for friction tuners with a spring?

billten

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Can someone help me out please, a member (i'm not sure but it might have been timbuck) recommended a relatively inexpensive (about $10 a set) but wonderful friction tuner that had a barrel and spring in the back available from ebay. I have upgraded a couple of ukes with these and i need to order another set but i can't find the link anymore. Any leads please?

Thanks... Bill
 
I bought a set or two of the Grover friction tuner clones at less than that, but no springs.
 
I case anyone thinks i am going crazy i thought i would add a couple of pictures. IMO the absolute best friction tuners money can buy, if i could only find some more...

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The spring seems to even out the tension and makes it a very smooth tuner.

I've ordered a few sets of these but they don't have a spring. Pretty cheap and they work well so far. You could order them then find a spring of the correct size then cut it down.

What exactly does the spring do?

White: http://www.ebay.com/itm/231508336660?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Black: http://www.ebay.com/itm/331398502868?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
 
I'd be interested in finding them too. Didn't know a spring loaded friction tuner existed.

John
 
I've seen what I believed to be peg style geared tuners on e-bay for about the $10 range... I meant to get them but thought I would hold off... Now I can't find them again. I am kicking myself for not ordering them at the time.

If anyone has any info leading to the <$20 geared peg style tuning keys please post it.
 
@Billten - you're not crazy - I have a set of these tuners like the ones you are seeking, but they are not for sale, but I have some info that might help...

Back on Apr 26, 2015, for $26 USD I purchased a set of this kind of tuner on ebay from seller 'eshow',

His page is here: http://www.ebay.com/usr/eshow

They were listed as 'Schaller Ukulele Tuners Pegs Chrome finish with Pearloid Buttons' with ebay item #(121607826117).

I have attached a photo from the ebay listing:

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I subsequently found that Grover has a set of friction tuners with springs inside like these as well that are in the $25-$35 range, but I dont remember if it was Stewmac or UkuleleWorld that was the seller.

This was after going to the local Mom & Pop hardware store and buying a handful of tiny springs in about a dozen different lengths, tensions and diameters, and trying with another handful of metal, rubber and plastic washers, to assemble something to improve upon the $15 Grover 4B friction tuners, using the 4B tuners as a baseline.

Despite hours of fiddling, and cutting down the springs to various and even shorter lengths, the end result was that I now still had too-fiddly tuners.

The springs made them easy to turn, but on a a tenor scale, tuned to re-entrant GCEA, there was too much tension, no matter what stack of bits I put together in almost 20 different combinations, and the strings would detune after about 5 seconds of bringing them up to pitch. There was just not enough friction. There is a very narrow sweet spot between 'just enough' tension to hold pitch and 'too much' tension making the tuner buttons difficult to turn.

In the end, I got a set of the $15 Grover 9NB geared tuners and installed them instead, since I really cannot deal with the frustration that friction tuners bring to my ukulele experience.

On a concert scale or soprano scale, the home-made spring-loaded and/or the Schaller tuners I got from eshow on ebay might work better due to less string tension, so I'm saving them for a future uke of either size.

I also remember, at least a year ago, fellow UU brother 'Sven' mentioned something about spring-loaded friction tuners in a few of his posts, so you might try to PM him and see if he has a source.

Hope this helps.
 
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I've seen what I believed to be peg style geared tuners on e-bay for about the $10 range... I meant to get them but thought I would hold off... Now I can't find them again. I am kicking myself for not ordering them at the time.

If anyone has any info leading to the <$20 geared peg style tuning keys please post it.

You can find the Grover 9NB geared ukulele tuners pretty much at lots of vendors online for ~$16, such as here:

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/9NB

Sweetwater has free shipping with no minimum order on most items, and sends you a bag of candy with every order too, which is nice.
 
Finally, i searched all over and I think i found the darn things...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nickle-plat...pieces-229N-/361200863808?hash=item54193fca40

$10 for plastic buttons, $17.50 for the ebony or koa ones.

Booli, thanks for the info, not sure if i have just been lucky but i have never experienced ANY slipping with these tuning machines. They are amazingly good at not slipping in everything i have put them on so far (two concerts and a cheapo Kala travel tenor). I love the smooth feel of the sprung tension and it is very much a 'set it and leave it' kind of tuner where you don't have to fiddle with the tension screw at all once it's working. I think the spring gives a little to allow for th e changes in humidity and such so it doesn't seem as picky as some of the other friction tuning machines i've tried.
 
Finally, i searched all over and I think i found the darn things...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nickle-plat...pieces-229N-/361200863808?hash=item54193fca40

$10 for plastic buttons, $17.50 for the ebony or koa ones.

Booli, thanks for the info, not sure if i have just been lucky but i have never experienced ANY slipping with these tuning machines. They are amazingly good at not slipping in everything i have put them on so far (two concerts and a cheapo Kala travel tenor). I love the smooth feel of the sprung tension and it is very much a 'set it and leave it' kind of tuner where you don't have to fiddle with the tension screw at all once it's working. I think the spring gives a little to allow for th e changes in humidity and such so it doesn't seem as picky as some of the other friction tuning machines i've tried.


That's a great find, and you can kind see the part where the spring is inside the collar that goes to the back side of the headstock, but I do not see any mention of it in the description.

The Schaller ones I have are also a little different in that the part of the collar that meets the wood on the back of the headstock is tapered, and needs you to ream the hole at a 60 degree angle, otherwise the collar had very little wood surface area to bite against for friction.

The ones you linked to have a flat bottom to the collar, and the radial friction lines, which seems to me that the tension will cause that part to bite into the wood a little and that the collar does not in fact turn against the wood, like the Schaller tuners. (The Schaller tuners have a squared shaft and the inside of the collar has a squared slot which forces the collar to turn when you turn the button)

Since you are happy with them and by your endorsements, I may have to get a set of these ebay ones for an old Harmony baritone that was passed down to me by my Grandfather (deceased in 2009), instead of drilling the headstock for geared tuners like the Grover 9NBs. The original friction tuners on the Harmony are pretty bad, and I dont want to make them so tight as to cause the 50 yr old plastic button to implode....

Thanks for sharing the results of your search...:)
 
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I know this issue is resolved, but wanted to share more info, in case folks don't want to hunt on eBay for the spring-loaded friction tuners...

The Grover tuners I mentioned previously are the Champion™ Deluxe Ukulele Pegs (1W Nickel) Pearloid Button as seen here:

https://www.grotro.com/Grover/UKULELE/Champion-Deluxe-Ukulele-Pegs

which I found for sale on Amazon here:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003A5OZB2/

and also on Roy T. Cone's Ukulele World, here:

http://www.ukuleleworld.com/friction-tuning-pegs-grover-1w-thumb-lock-ivory-buttons.html

:shaka:
 
Most of my ukuleles have friction tuners. In all cases they are the stock tuners that came with them new and all work fine. Most needed adjusting at first but that was easily done.
 
Finally, i searched all over and I think i found the darn things...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nickle-plat...pieces-229N-/361200863808?hash=item54193fca40

$10 for plastic buttons, $17.50 for the ebony or koa ones.

Booli, thanks for the info, not sure if i have just been lucky but i have never experienced ANY slipping with these tuning machines. They are amazingly good at not slipping in everything i have put them on so far (two concerts and a cheapo Kala travel tenor). I love the smooth feel of the sprung tension and it is very much a 'set it and leave it' kind of tuner where you don't have to fiddle with the tension screw at all once it's working. I think the spring gives a little to allow for th e changes in humidity and such so it doesn't seem as picky as some of the other friction tuning machines i've tried.

I am glad you found them. Could you please let us know what are the dimensions (diameter of the shaft, high etc...)?
 
Those are very nice tuners indeed, but do they have an internal spring around the peg shaft between the outer collar and the button?

It's hard to tell from the photos and it's not mentioned in the description.

Yes, they do. We should probably revamp the description.
 
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