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bariukish
10-10-2015, 07:02 AM
I just re-strung my Boat Paddle ML tenor with a set of Oasis (warm) and replaced the low G string with a Freemont Soloist. I really love the sound of this set. The volume and sustain are outstanding and the mellow tone is definitely my preference. One concern is kinka freaking me out though. In tuning the A string to pitch it seems to take an extreme amount of tension. So much so that I'm concerned about possibly damaging my favorite uke. The A string is much tighter than any other in the set and even more noticeable when fretting a chord. I have no way of measuring the tension and if I did, I have no norm or standard to compare the data to. Is this my imagination or has anyone else had this concern. I have tried quite a few brands over the years but never had this experience. Jerry builds a fantastic instrument and to damage it would be a tragedy.

Doc_J
10-10-2015, 07:50 AM
Oasis string diameters are similar to Worth. Linear density is also similar since it's a fluorocarbon. Therefore the tension must be similar for the same tuning.

DownUpDave
10-10-2015, 08:00 AM
What Doc just said, I know they are one his go to strings as well as mine. Are you sure you haven't cranked it up an octave too high. I guess you would notice the difference in pitch but I am just thinking out loud.

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
10-10-2015, 08:18 AM
Like most thin diameter strings the A strings will stretch more when tuning up but I haven't found the tension to be any greater than other fluorocarbon strings I've used. Maybe you'd be happier with the "bright" set where the A string is a couple of mils smaller in diameter.

the flat tire
10-10-2015, 08:25 AM
I just exchanged the warm set for the bright.
Like you, they sounded great, I just didn't like the way it "felt."
There is a difference between the warm and bright, though I don't know if it's tension or string diameter.
With the warms, the G chord sounded and played a bit strained, if you know what I mean.

70sSanO
10-10-2015, 12:14 PM
You can mix-n-match. The Bright high G is the same as the Warm A. I use a Fremont soloist, Worth BS for C, Oasis Bright E and a Oasis Bright G for the A.

You can run a Bright A and a Warm E (C's are the same I think). Or even run another brand for the A. Maybe a Worth CT.

John

Jim Hanks
10-10-2015, 01:20 PM
Simple - tune all strings down a full step to FBbDG - less tension and even more mellow - ahhhhhhh. :cool:

70sSanO
10-10-2015, 02:48 PM
Been there done that. Only problem is playing with others and trying to transpose on the fly.

I have an unused capo. Just can't get used to it on a ukulele.

John

Jim Hanks
10-10-2015, 03:40 PM
You could try Southcoast: http://www.southcoastukes.com/linear.htm
The LL-NW gives low tension on tenor. If it was too low, you could go up to the LML-NW set

70sSanO
10-13-2015, 06:10 AM
I just re-strung my Boat Paddle ML tenor with a set of Oasis (warm) and replaced the low G string with a Freemont Soloist. I really love the sound of this set. The volume and sustain are outstanding and the mellow tone is definitely my preference. One concern is kinka freaking me out though. In tuning the A string to pitch it seems to take an extreme amount of tension. So much so that I'm concerned about possibly damaging my favorite uke. The A string is much tighter than any other in the set and even more noticeable when fretting a chord. I have no way of measuring the tension and if I did, I have no norm or standard to compare the data to. Is this my imagination or has anyone else had this concern. I have tried quite a few brands over the years but never had this experience. Jerry builds a fantastic instrument and to damage it would be a tragedy.

As a followup to your A string question. An A string has traditionally been an issue for me as far as tension (18" scale)... resulting in too bright, too dull, breaking, way too much tension, etc. I have tried Worth CT and CH and Oasis Bright and Warm. Since I have all of the strings, I decided to measure them. What I found was Worth and Oasis are not the same diameters.

With a digital caliper my measurements have Oasis B at .55mm/.0215 and Oasis W at .59mm/.0235. Worth measures out at CT .57mm/.0225 and CH .62mm/.024 (NOT .0224 as listed on the Worth site).

So if the Oasis Warm A has a little too much tension then Worth CT A should have a little less. It will probably be a little brighter than Oasis Warms and less bright than Oasis Brights. At least that has been my experience.

There has been much written about the relationship between Seaguar and Worth and since I have gone through too many "A" strings, it made sense to buy some Seaguar Fluorocarbon Premium 40lb leader than measures .570mm/.0224. This appears to be the same/similar to Worth CT A string and it a happy medium between brightness and tension. But I never found the equivalent Oasis diameters.

Then I stumbled upon the apparent relationship between Savarez Alliance and Kureha (parent company of Seaguar) and that took me to this list of Savarez strings. Kureha did/does make Savarez Alliance strings.

https://www.stringsbymail.com/classical-guitar-strings-1/savarez-62/specialty-singles-147/alliance-kf-carbon-602/alliance-kf-2-meter-601/

All the fluorocarbon ukulele string sizes are right there on the Savarez list. I'm pretty convinced that Kureha is probably making strings for various brands to what ever formula(s). I'm not convinced that Seaguar is the exact same formula as the "feel" and stretch is a little different. But the extrusion process may be the same.

John

Icelander53
10-13-2015, 07:56 AM
I just re-strung my Boat Paddle ML tenor with a set of Oasis (warm) and replaced the low G string with a Freemont Soloist. I really love the sound of this set. The volume and sustain are outstanding and the mellow tone is definitely my preference. One concern is kinka freaking me out though. In tuning the A string to pitch it seems to take an extreme amount of tension. So much so that I'm concerned about possibly damaging my favorite uke. The A string is much tighter than any other in the set and even more noticeable when fretting a chord. I have no way of measuring the tension and if I did, I have no norm or standard to compare the data to. Is this my imagination or has anyone else had this concern. I have tried quite a few brands over the years but never had this experience. Jerry builds a fantastic instrument and to damage it would be a tragedy.

In the early days of restringing I always thought the A string was going to snap because it seemed so tight compared to the others. But it never did.

Recstar24
10-13-2015, 08:01 AM
My oasis bright a is tight but not to the extreme felt by the OP. My oasis warm a feels great. These are in tenors.

mm stan
10-13-2015, 11:29 PM
Yes with some ukes I have experienced the same thing, not sure why if its the string or the scale.. hope fully it will stretch out....
if so tune your uke to B tuning for a while...

70sSanO
10-14-2015, 04:49 AM
My understanding, hopefully correct, is that there is a difference between string tension and what is called string compliance.

Tension is just a result of a certain diameter string over a set distance, scale between the nut and saddle, that is tuned to a certain pitch. Identical strings on identical scales will have the same string tension.

Compliance has to do with how much string is available beyond the nut and the saddle. When a string is fretted the entire length of string stretches from the tuning peg to the bridge. In theory, the longer the overall string length the more string is available to stretch, the easier it is to fret the string. I'm sure other factors come into play, possibly the break angles at the nut/saddle, string height is an obvious one, maybe fret height.

Back to Oasis strings...

I decided to measure the C and E strings and discovered that they are the same size in both the Bright or Warm (So I really didn't have to mix-n-match these strings between sets). This basically means that the only difference between Oasis Bright and Warm are the G and A strings. For someone who is playing low G with separate individual G string, i.e. Freemont, it would make sense to buy Oasis Bright because you end up with (2) strings that can be used for the A string; the Bright A and the Bright G which is the same as the Warm A.

I really do like Oasis strings and have become my string of choice.

John

Jon Moody
10-14-2015, 05:02 AM
My understanding, hopefully correct, is that there is a difference between string tension and what is called string compliance.

Tension is just a result of a certain diameter string over a set distance, scale between the nut and saddle, that is tuned to a certain pitch. Identical strings on identical scales will have the same string tension.

Compliance has to do with how much string is available beyond the nut and the saddle. When a string is fretted the entire length of string stretches from the tuning peg to the bridge. In theory, the longer the overall string length the more string is available to stretch, the easier it is to fret the string. I'm sure other factors come into play, possibly the break angles at the nut/saddle, string height is an obvious one, maybe fret height.


You are correct.

As for compliance, the break angle (from nut to tuning post) does play a significant role in it. For an experiment, string up one of your strings, winding the string around the post from the bottom of the tuner to the top (basically, opposite of what you've been taught), and then play a bit. Switch it back, play and note the difference. As said, the tension of the string has not changed at all (since it's the same string, the same scale and the same pitch), but you've changed how the string reacts.

bariukish
10-14-2015, 06:37 AM
In my career experience with thermoplastic extrusion, I found that among the many process variables, including moisture content, heat humidity, percent of re-grind, etc, holding tight tolerances to the 4th decimal is extremely difficult if not impossible in an efficient production process. I'm sure this holds true in extrusion of instrument strings, fishing line and much more. Variability does exist and perhaps I got some strings that were on the high side of the acceptable extrusion parameters. More likely is the probability that it is my subjective "feeling" that this particular string is tighter than what I am used to experiencing. I finally ended up using an A string from a set of Worths. At my (lack of) skill level, this mixture gives me the volume, sustain, and tonal characteristics that sounds great to me. Also gives me peace of mind that I am not putting my favorite uke in jeopardy. Thanks for all the great comments.

70sSanO
10-14-2015, 07:04 AM
So...

How do you like your Boat Paddle ML?

I have decided that one of my tenors is just too bright, in high G, and no amount of string/nut/saddle tweaking will change it enough.

John

bariukish
10-14-2015, 11:40 AM
John, I could put you to sleep raving about my Boat Paddles. Actually, I am fortunate to have been able to have Jerry build me both a tenor and a bari out of the same piece of cocobolo rosewood. With only one paddle, your boat has a tendency to go in circles so I thought it would be wise to get two. I was really only happy with the baritone size but after I screwed my brain into the chord names for the tenor, it cast a spell on me and I can only put it down when I need a beer, some food, or a trip to the outhouse. I'm reconsidering not taking it with me to the latter venue. I'd rave on about the voice, the beauty and craftsmanship of Jerry's products but I know he peeks at this forum periodically and I wouldn't want to give him a swelled head.

How do you like your Boat Paddle ML?

I have decided that one of my tenors is just too bright, in high G, and no amount of string/nut/saddle tweaking will change it enough.

Recstar24
10-14-2015, 12:23 PM
I ask Jerry about the threshold of string tension he felt the ML could handle and he said anything other than steel strings. So high or extra high/hard tension the ML will do just fine, if that's what you wanted.

70sSanO
10-15-2015, 04:23 AM
John, I could put you to sleep raving about my Boat Paddles. Actually, I am fortunate to have been able to have Jerry build me both a tenor and a bari out of the same piece of cocobolo rosewood. With only one paddle, your boat has a tendency to go in circles so I thought it would be wise to get two. I was really only happy with the baritone size but after I screwed my brain into the chord names for the tenor, it cast a spell on me and I can only put it down when I need a beer, some food, or a trip to the outhouse. I'm reconsidering not taking it with me to the latter venue. I'd rave on about the voice, the beauty and craftsmanship of Jerry's products but I know he peeks at this forum periodically and I wouldn't want to give him a swelled head.

I'm glad to hear you rave about your Boat Paddle(s). I'm going to be retired in the near future and I am getting ideas on what tenor would be a good one to add. I have always been intrigued by the design of the BP ukes, came very close to getting a baritone a few years ago. The ML looks to have enough size to produce quite a bit of volume and with the right woods it will hopefully have that bell sound without being overly bright. The ones I've heard online sound great.

On your venues... it is probably wise to use some judgement on where you take it. Although there is an old saying about a creek and a paddle that may have some relevance.

John

bariukish
10-15-2015, 05:21 AM
I ask Jerry about the threshold of string tension he felt the ML could handle and he said anything other than steel strings. So high or extra high/hard tension the ML will do just fine, if that's what you wanted.

Thanks for this info. I might go back to the Oasis warm A next time I change and give them a fair trial.

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
10-15-2015, 07:26 AM
Big news! in response to my inquiry about wound C strings, Dave Hepple, the owner of Oasis, just wrote me that he is sending me some smooth wound aluminum C strings to try out. I'll let you know my impressions when I get them.

Patrick Madsen
10-15-2015, 07:30 AM
Finally! My only complaint with Oasis strings was no wound third string. Looking forward to the review chuck.

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
10-15-2015, 07:59 AM
Finally! My only complaint with Oasis strings was no wound third string. Looking forward to the review chuck.

I can't speak for Dave of course but maybe if you ask him he'll send you one to try.

Recstar24
10-15-2015, 09:57 AM
Big news! in response to my inquiry about wound C strings, Dave Hepple, the owner of Oasis, just wrote me that he is sending me some smooth wound aluminum C strings to try out. I'll let you know my impressions when I get them.

Yay! Looking forward to your impressions. I am fine with the current sets but I'll check out the new wound 3rds hopefully in a few months on my next string change.

hawaii 50
10-15-2015, 10:03 AM
Big news! in response to my inquiry about wound C strings, Dave Hepple, the owner of Oasis, just wrote me that he is sending me some smooth wound aluminum C strings to try out. I'll let you know my impressions when I get them.

good news Chuck...have you tried the Oasis single wound low G string..they come in warm and bright.....they sound nice but hard to beat the Fremont soloist which has no squeak....I like squeakless....:)

CTurner
10-15-2015, 10:54 AM
[/QUOTE]...have you tried the Oasis single wound low G string..they come in warm and bright.....they sound nice but hard to beat the Fremont soloist which has no squeak....I like squeakless....:)[/QUOTE]

+1 : )
The Fremont soloist cleans up that last 10% of squeak I still hear in the Oasis low g.

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
10-15-2015, 11:35 AM
...have you tried the Oasis single wound low G string..they come in warm and bright.....they sound nice but hard to beat the Fremont soloist which has no squeak....I like squeakless....:)[/QUOTE]

+1 : )
The Fremont soloist cleans up that last 10% of squeak I still hear in the Oasis low g.[/QUOTE]

True, the new oasis low G comes close to the Fremont but it's not quite there. But I'm not really worried about a little finger noise if the string does everything else I want it to. I have yet to hear a squeakless C string and I'd be surprised if the Oasis wind C is silent. One can wish though. It's sure worth trying.

Recstar24
10-15-2015, 11:59 AM
I agree. That is my one issue with the otherwise awesome Southcoast hml-rw. Both wounds 3rd and 4th have squeak, so you are getting finger noise on two strings, not just 1.

Steveperrywriter
10-15-2015, 12:18 PM
Just got a note from Southcoast regarding their next generation strings. They have smooth-wounds on the G & C. Nice discourse in the differences between round, flat-wound, and smooth-round. Looking forward to what Oasis does, because I like how two wounds sound on my tenors.

flailingfingers
10-15-2015, 12:36 PM
Just got a note from Southcoast regarding their next generation strings. They have smooth-wounds on the G & C. Nice discourse in the differences between round, flat-wound, and smooth-round. Looking forward to what Oasis does, because I like how two wounds sound on my tenors.
where did you get that note? I get the bulletins from Southcoast and the last one did not mention that. Their website mentions the new generation of strings being slowly released but nothing concerning the wound 3rd and 4th that you mention.

Steveperrywriter
10-15-2015, 01:07 PM
where did you get that note? I get the bulletins from Southcoast and the last one did not mention that. Their website mentions the new generation of strings being slowly released but nothing concerning the wound 3rd and 4th that you mention.

Flailing:

Here's the listing:

"ML-SW: Medium Gauge Linear Set w/ smooth wound basses This set also uses the traditional 4-string 50-50 linear arrangement with our new smooth wound 4th string, a highly polished round wound 3rd and two trebles. A Medium Gauge set will have a wide range of applications, from 4-string guitars down to Baritone and tenors."

I mis-read it -- it does say the 3rd is round, but polished. Sorry, mea culpa.

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
10-15-2015, 01:34 PM
Flailing:

Here's the listing:

"ML-SW: Medium Gauge Linear Set w/ smooth wound basses This set also uses the traditional 4-string 50-50 linear arrangement with our new smooth wound 4th string, a highly polished round wound 3rd and two trebles. A Medium Gauge set will have a wide range of applications, from 4-string guitars down to Baritone and tenors."

I mis-read it -- it does say the 3rd is round, but polished. Sorry, mea culpa.

The SouthCoast round wound is the best one I've seen yet. Let's see what Oasis comes out with though. Dave Hepple says it's "smooth wound". He didn't say whether its, round, oval, flat, or whatever. I don't expect it to be silent but I'm looking forward to trying it. There's a lot more to consider than just the way a string sounds when you run your fingers down it. If he sends me a few I'll pass them along to others to give them a test run.

Recstar24
10-15-2015, 02:30 PM
Thanks chuck. I'll gladly take a run on a sample to check out when and if we get there.

mds725
10-15-2015, 08:00 PM
Big news! in response to my inquiry about wound C strings, Dave Hepple, the owner of Oasis, just wrote me that he is sending me some smooth wound aluminum C strings to try out. I'll let you know my impressions when I get them.

That's exciting! I switched from Worth unwound low G to Fremont Soloist wound low G a while ago and really like the way that string sounds with Worth or Oasis strings. I haven't tried Southcoast's wound C yet, and it'll be exciting to see what Oasis develops.

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
10-26-2015, 08:01 AM
Well I've had the Oasis wound C string on one of my ukes for several days now and I really like it. It's not silent (like the Fremont low G) but it's not noisy either. The tone and tension are great though and I look forward to using them more. Maybe Patrick can chime in with his impressions.

Patrick Madsen
10-26-2015, 09:57 AM
I changed to the wound string earlier today. I definitely like it better than the unwound C but I'm a wound 3rd string player anyway. I almost took it for a G string comparing it to the G on already.
It has more tone and better sustain than the unwound; a little noisy but not too much. I'm not sure if it overpowers the G as it's too early to judge. It may be I'm not used to hearing Oasis with a wound 3rd.

Like Chuck, the SC round wound is the best so far but I feel Oasis with a wound 3rd is going to be right up there with SC only a bit mellower. I was planning on changing back to Southcoast RW's but this new string has changed those plans.

If you like a wound third, you'll really like it. If not, it may change you over. I hope they'll offer both options or in the least the opportunity to buy it by itself. Good on Dave for coming up with it.

Recstar24
10-26-2015, 10:07 AM
Are these available for purchase or did you guys get a beta sample to test out?

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
10-26-2015, 11:23 AM
Are these available for purchase or did you guys get a beta sample to test out?

Dave is having more made up now. I've suggested he come out with a "Warm uke set with wound basses". I'm thinking he'll be doing that soon.

Patrick Madsen
10-26-2015, 03:28 PM
In order to really test out the wound string I changed the rest of the set with new Oasis Warms. Holy Moly, it is amazing. It sounded really good before but the new Warms with wound basses is a whole new vibrant sound. I'm blown away right now how just changing one string can make such a vast difference. I'm looking forward when these come out as I'd like to hear what they'll do on my Griffin.

Dang, just when I thought my string acquisition search was over this string comes along and soon Dirks new strings will be out....

DownUpDave
10-26-2015, 03:38 PM
I changed to the wound string earlier today. I definitely like it better than the unwound C but I'm a wound 3rd string player anyway. I almost took it for a G string comparing it to the G on already.
It has more tone and better sustain than the unwound; a little noisy but not too much. I'm not sure if it overpowers the G as it's too early to judge. It may be I'm not used to hearing Oasis with a wound 3rd.

Like Chuck, the SC round wound is the best so far but I feel Oasis with a wound 3rd is going to be right up there with SC only a bit mellower. I was planning on changing back to Southcoast RW's but this new string has changed those plans.

If you like a wound third, you'll really like it. If not, it may change you over. I hope they'll offer both options or in the least the opportunity to buy it by itself. Good on Dave for coming up with it.


Patrick and Chuck........thanks so much for all the info it is greatly appreciated.

I am a big fan of Oasis but have South Coast HML-RW on my three favorite tenors because I love a wound 3rd and 4th so much.
A little info in return for the great stuff you have given. I have spoken to Dirk at length (naturally, lol) twice in the last week about his upcoming 1.5 series strings. He has made significant changes to his wound strings. There will no longer be a RW series nor a FW series. His new process is suppose to produce as close to squeekless as possible and will be called WB.

I look forward to trying the Oasis with wound 3rd and 4th as well as the new South Coast.

Steveperrywriter
10-28-2015, 10:09 AM
Patrick and Chuck........thanks so much for all the info it is greatly appreciated.

I am a big fan of Oasis but have South Coast HML-RW on my three favorite tenors because I love a wound 3rd and 4th so much.
A little info in return for the great stuff you have given. I have spoken to Dirk at length (naturally, lol) twice in the last week about his upcoming 1.5 series strings. He has made significant changes to his wound strings. There will no longer be a RW series nor a FW series. His new process is suppose to produce as close to squeekless as possible and will be called WB.

I look forward to trying the Oasis with wound 3rd and 4th as well as the new South Coast.

Yep, the light version with the double-wounds are available now. Spendy, but I have a couple sets on the way. i'll do a review once they arrive and I get them on one of my tenors.

Recstar24
10-28-2015, 10:19 AM
I'm personally waiting on the medium tension ML-WB which should feel great on my Hoffmann. Will also pick up the new oasis for sure.

DownUpDave
10-28-2015, 10:32 AM
I'm personally waiting on the medium tension ML-WB which should feel great on my Hoffmann. Will also pick up the new oasis for sure.

I am having ML-WB installed on my new Ono 16" concert if they are ready in time. Just received Oasis low G warm with the new smooth wound. Also got some smooth wound low G singles. I must keep buying ukes to test all these new strings, lol

Patrick Madsen
10-28-2015, 12:17 PM
Is that a smooth wound 3rd or 4th Dave?

Steveperrywriter
10-28-2015, 07:24 PM
I'm personally waiting on the medium tension ML-WB which should feel great on my Hoffmann. Will also pick up the new oasis for sure.

I have the 1.0 version of the SC mediums on my Hannam redwood top and I love the sound and feel. I will try the new mediums on that uke when they become available. I want to try the lights on a twelve-to-the-body tenor by Alan Carruth, and maybe the Woodley White koa. The Zukulele likes Oasis warms.