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tinyhouselutherie
01-05-2016, 02:30 PM
Hey guys, quick question. I have a jet 10-20 which I do like, but I find trying to get the sanding scratches out of tops/backs/sides a pain. Was curious as to what some of you do. At the moment I'm thinking of picking up a scraper plane and going about it that way, feels like I would have much more control over that than an orbital sander. Thanks.

Michael Smith
01-05-2016, 02:50 PM
I bought myself one of those nice little festool random orbit sanders. Hooked to a vacuum it does a nice job with the fine work and has very good dust control.

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
01-05-2016, 03:05 PM
I bought myself one of those nice little festool random orbit sanders. Hooked to a vacuum it does a nice job with the fine work and has very good dust control.

Is that variable speed? I've been having a hard time finding a good, low profile, variable speed electric ROS since Porter Cable discontinued their 390 model.

sequoia
01-05-2016, 05:58 PM
Yes I would say a random orbital sander works just fine. There will inevitably be some slight inconsistency in thickness, but who cares. It doesn't effect the sound of the top (much). That Porter Cable 390 always looked like a really nice tool and I was sorely tempted to buy one, but I just use a Dewalt 3 amp 5 inch and it does the job. Dust collection is not good though and using a hooked vacuum is a good idea. It is not variable speed. Also it is too heavy and a bit awkward for fine work. I use it also for sanding necks and I can tell you that my right arm looks like Popeye's. Wanna arm wrestle? Not really designed for luthiery work, but Home Depot has specials on them and they can be had for cheap.

Michael Smith
01-05-2016, 07:57 PM
Is that variable speed? I've been having a hard time finding a good, low profile, variable speed electric ROS since Porter Cable discontinued their 390 model.

The one I got is the smallest lightest one, model ETS 125. Yes has a very nice variable speed control. They are pricy compared to other brands but are very nice to use and seem very well built.

Allen
01-05-2016, 09:08 PM
I have the Festo ETS 125 also. It's a really nice sander, and yes it's far more expensive than the other brands. Especially in Australia. Over $500. But it does work a treat. Would I buy it again.....maybe. Would I try another first. Probably.

RPA_Ukuleles
01-06-2016, 05:22 AM
I also have the Festool 125 and it's a dream. Can be as aggressive or as delicate as you want. I own the Midi dust extractor and it's a virtually dust free sanding experience. Quite nice. And, once you get the sander and the dust extractor, then you are only a track-saw away from your life being complete.

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
01-06-2016, 06:27 AM
It sounds like the ETS 125 is a winner. I love the ergonomics of the Porter cable 390 but I've had to replace or buy parts for several of them. I've got two left and I am babying them. I'd like to try the Festool 125 though. RPA, can you tell me how tall the mini dust extractor is? I'd like to see if it'll fit in a particular spot under my bench. I really don't need another tool taking up floor space in my small shop. Also, does it come with self contained dust collector or is it intended for use only with the vacuum hose? Thanks.

RPA_Ukuleles
01-06-2016, 06:55 AM
Chuck, I have the "Midi" size - it's under 19" tall the "Mini" is under 17" tall. They have the same motor, but the Midi has a gallon more capacity. 2 gal bag for the Mini, 3+ gal for the Midi. The extractors are very quiet, variable speed to match your sanding requirement so you don't suck the sander down too firmly to the wood. I think there is a small dust bag with the sander, but it's all about using the dust extractor for me.

Edit: Just checked Festool site. the ETS 125 and the Mini extractor package is $622.50, and with the Midi size, it's $667.50. Both are no tax, and free shipping.

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
01-06-2016, 07:14 AM
Chuck, I have the "Midi" size - it's under 19" tall the "Mini" is under 17" tall. They have the same motor, but the Midi has a gallon more capacity. 2 gal bag for the Mini, 3+ gal for the Midi. The extractors are very quiet, variable speed to match your sanding requirement so you don't suck the sander down too firmly to the wood. I think there is a small dust bag with the sander, but it's all about using the dust extractor for me.

Edit: Just checked Festool site. the ETS 125 and the Mini extractor package is $622.50, and with the Midi size, it's $667.50. Both are no tax, and free shipping.

Nice, that'll work. Thanks for the info RPA. Shipping to Hawaii is $100 and Amazon prime won't deliver here. I'll keep looking for the best shipping deal.

Beau Hannam Ukuleles
01-06-2016, 07:46 AM
this seems to be the best sander around- very quite and one vid review said that you cant even see the 80 grit swirly spring scratches

http://www.amazon.com/Mirka-MID55020CAUS-Direct-Electric-Orbital/dp/B00RZSVBEY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1452105943&sr=8-1&keywords=mirka+deros+5%22

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
01-06-2016, 08:06 AM
this seems to be the best sander around- very quite and one vid review said that you cant even see the 80 grit swirly spring scratches

http://www.amazon.com/Mirka-MID55020CAUS-Direct-Electric-Orbital/dp/B00RZSVBEY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1452105943&sr=8-1&keywords=mirka+deros+5%22

Yeah, well that's just ridiculous! I thought the Festool was expensive. Haha :)

Pete Howlett
01-06-2016, 08:42 AM
Sold mine. Back toh hand sanding...

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
01-06-2016, 08:52 AM
Sold mine. Back toh hand sanding...

Different sanding strokes for different sanding folks. (I don't sand a thing by hand.)

saltytri
01-06-2016, 09:09 AM
Maybe I'm just cheap and igerrent, but I can't see what's wrong with this $70 Makita BO5030. No swirl marks ever. It's lasted 3 or 4 years so far. It comes with a funky and useless dust collection bag but hook up a vacuum hose to it and sanding becomes a dust-free operation. My routine is to use the thickness sander to take a plate close to the desired thickness, then sand the finished side with the Makita to get rid of the longitudinal sanding marks, then back to the thickness sander to take the plate to the target dimension by sanding on the back side only.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1643/23920543250_4ef949c730_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/CrM38u)IMG_0806 (https://flic.kr/p/CrM38u) by saltytri (https://www.flickr.com/photos/34688260@N02/), on Flickr

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
01-06-2016, 09:21 AM
Maybe I'm just cheap and igerrent, but I can't see what's wrong with this $70 Makita BO5030. No swirl marks ever. It's lasted 3 or 4 years so far. It comes with a funky and useless dust collection bag but hook up a vacuum hose to it and sanding becomes a dust-free operation. My routine is to use the thickness sander to take a plate close to the desired thickness, then sand the finished side with the Makita to get rid of the longitudinal sanding marks, then back to the thickness sander to take the plate to the target dimension by sanding on the back side only.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1643/23920543250_4ef949c730_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/CrM38u)IMG_0806 (https://flic.kr/p/CrM38u) by saltytri (https://www.flickr.com/photos/34688260@N02/), on Flickr

Inexpensive is good. But is it variable speed? That's imperative to me.

mikeyb2
01-06-2016, 09:32 AM
Maybe I'm just cheap and igerrent, but I can't see what's wrong with this $70 Makita BO5030. No swirl marks ever. It's lasted 3 or 4 years so far. It comes with a funky and useless dust collection bag but hook up a vacuum hose to it and sanding becomes a dust-free operation. My routine is to use the thickness sander to take a plate close to the desired thickness, then sand the finished side with the Makita to get rid of the longitudinal sanding marks, then back to the thickness sander to take the plate to the target dimension by sanding on the back side only.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1643/23920543250_4ef949c730_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/CrM38u)IMG_0806 (https://flic.kr/p/CrM38u) by saltytri (https://www.flickr.com/photos/34688260@N02/), on Flickr
just bought the BO5031 which is the same but with variable speed 78, used it for the first time today and very impressed. It's only a touch heavier than the Festo at 1.3kg and handles nicely in one hand.
I bought it to replace the ridiculously over the top and heavy duty Metabo SXE 450 which I bought recently, and that's now up for auction.

saltytri
01-06-2016, 09:40 AM
Inexpensive is good. But is it variable speed? That's imperative to me.

Good point. I forgot the mention the 10A Powerstat that sits on the bench, mostly to control the silicone heat blanket. So, yes, it's variable but the BO5031 is a pretty good idea also. :)

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
01-06-2016, 09:56 AM
I want a low profile sander, the lower the better. The Porter cable 390 was a true palm sander. Unfortunately I do not have the electricity to run an air compressor all day or that's the route I would go.

mikeyb2
01-06-2016, 10:01 AM
I want a low profile sander, the lower the better. The Porter cable 390 was a true palm sander. Unfortunately I do not have the electricity to run an air compressor all day or that's the route I would go.
It's quite possible and comfortable to hold the Makita around the " waist", thus making it low profile.

Timbuck
01-06-2016, 11:39 AM
I've been bed ridden with flu for the last few days ?.
and I've just started to read this thread titled "drum sander question" ?... I have a drum sander Jet 10-20....But ! everything I've read so far is about "hand held orbital sanders" ?? Did I miss something ?..still not well so back to bed.

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
01-06-2016, 12:00 PM
I've been bed ridden with flu for the last few days ?.
and I've just started to read this thread titled "drum sander question" ?... I have a drum sander Jet 10-20....But ! everything I've read so far is about "hand held orbital sanders" ?? Did I miss something ?..still not well so back to bed.

As I understand it the post is about sanding out the scratches that a drum sander leaves. Hope you're better soon. ;)

Kekani
01-06-2016, 12:12 PM
I'm trying to justify a reason for the Mirka. Until then, my DeWalt VS ROS (sorry Chuck, no low profile) is my go to workhorse that I cannot move without.

Truth be told, I find myself using a scraper way too often now, in a good way. I can sharpen really fast, and the results are as good as my technique, which I think is pretty good.

chuck in ny
01-06-2016, 12:37 PM
I want a low profile sander, the lower the better. The Porter cable 390 was a true palm sander. Unfortunately I do not have the electricity to run an air compressor all day or that's the route I would go.

chuck

for the odd times you will use it it's worthwhile to get a gas engine powered compressor. it would allow you to use a dynabrade DA sander and the like.

Beau Hannam Ukuleles
01-06-2016, 01:09 PM
i use a ridgid 5"- seems good

aaronckeim
01-06-2016, 06:40 PM
We use the overhead sander up to 220, but then take those lines out with 120 on the orbital. We have a really expensive orbital sander system by Mirka. It is extra lightweight because it has an external power supply and a dedicated vacuum. If all the other orbital sanders are like dependable ford trucks, then this one is a Ferrari. http://www.mirka.com/tools/Electric_Sanders/#/MIM5502011/Mirka%20CEROS%20550CV%20125mm%20Central%20Vacuum%2 0Orbit%205,0

We also use 180, 220 and 320 with the mesh mirka stuff. It's really expensive. After 320 on the orbital, I go back with 220, 320, 400 and 600 by hand.

Since we got the Mirka, we haven't had a single overhead sander scratch. But, we paid for it!!! It's another example of how hard/expensive it can be to wring that extra bit of quality out of your process.