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Doc_J
03-25-2016, 04:55 AM
Here are two reentrant tenor sound samples of an Ono spruce/ Bolivian rosewood with Oasis strings and a Collings spruce/maple tenor with Savarez strings. Both sound great in reentrant, with lots of volume and full tone. This shows how good Ono ukes are. I've had other great spruce tops, but these might be my top sounding spruce tops for reentrant C tuning. They probably sound as good in linear tuning, but I've got that covered.

Can you guess which one is which? Any preference?

https://soundcloud.com/doc-hj/spruce-reentrant-tenor-number-1


https://soundcloud.com/doc-hj/spruce-reentrant-tenor-number-2

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Recstar24
03-25-2016, 05:15 AM
My personal preference is #2 as I hear it having a deeper, richer sound. #1 though is excellent in clarity especially in upper register. I just prefer that deeper, richer more guitar like tone in #2.

I don't have personal experience with Collings or Ono ukes in person, but my guess is #2 being the Collings due to the more guitar like tone.

70sSanO
03-25-2016, 05:22 AM
They both sound nice, but I like sample number 1. It seems to have a lighter sound and shimmer (glistening??) clean tone especially on the high notes. I'd say that number 1 is the is the Ono.

John

Edit added after reading Recstar24's post, I think that is why I didn't prefer sample number 2, which I think is the Collings.

Recstar24
03-25-2016, 05:30 AM
I like those adjectives to describe #1, it definitely is cleaner sounding and has that nice shimmer in the tone. The upper register is super focused.

Snargle
03-25-2016, 05:37 AM
I wouldn't turn down either one, but #2 sounds most pleasing to me. As recstar24 pointed out, it seems to have a little deeper, richer, and mellower sound, but the differences are minuscule.

wildfire070
03-25-2016, 06:22 AM
I like #1. It has that bell-like tone to me.

Ukulele Eddie
03-25-2016, 06:33 AM
So fun! They both sound very nice and, upon first listening, really similar to my ears. Upon a second listening with headphones I detect a slightly more full sound in #2 on the finger style portion. I still find them basically indiscernible on the strumming samples.

(I own and love both brands as well -- in concert sizes -- though my Ono has different woods.)

Kyle23
03-25-2016, 06:39 AM
I liked number two more, but both sounded great. Have you ever posted pictures of all of your Ukes? I feel like you have an impressive collection.

good_uke_boy
03-25-2016, 06:44 AM
My personal preference is #2 as I hear it having a deeper, richer sound. #1 though is excellent in clarity especially in upper register. I just prefer that deeper, richer more guitar like tone in #2.

I don't have personal experience with Collings or Ono ukes in person, but my guess is #2 being the Collings due to the more guitar like tone.

+1 -- except I own 2 Collings Mahogany ukes (concert and tenor). Very interested to find out which is which!

billten
03-25-2016, 07:03 AM
I think 1 is the collings and i prefer #2 due to it's depth. I bet #2 sounds great in Bb tuning.

Doc_J
03-25-2016, 07:49 AM
Wow you guys have good ears. The spectrum plots of the initial open and 12th fret string plucks agree. The sounds are close, but a little different.
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http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=89696#1 is more even and has more A-string volume. #2 has bigger lower end frequencies.

Peace Train
03-25-2016, 08:19 AM
Having no firsthand experience with either, I'm guessing #1 is the Collings as it seems more balanced overall.

DownUpDave
03-25-2016, 08:20 AM
Hodge I just love when you do something like this. Thanks we all do appreciate your time and effort.

I own a Collings mahogany tenor and an Ono 16" concert and I love them both but it's not helping me pick which one is which. Your two instruments both sound fabulous.

I liked the fuller mellower sound of #2 and I am guessing it is the Ono. Number 1 was bright and articulate which the maple back and sides might have something to do with.

EDDIE are you a politician.........your danced around the issue but never declared anything concrete. Come man make a decision, lol.

Recstar24
03-25-2016, 08:24 AM
Doc, can you reattach the spectrum plots? It's not opening.

Also, what program do you use to get those measurements? I have the upgraded tuning tools for the Peterson strobe app which has a variety of spectrum plots but I haven't figured out how to capture them.

UkieOkie
03-25-2016, 08:37 AM
Ok I didn't look at any of the responses. I think the Collings is #1 and the Ono #2. I have never played an Ono but I have played many Collings. Number one sounds like many Collings. I actually prefer number two in tone. They both sound good though.

Doc_J
03-25-2016, 08:51 AM
Doc, can you reattach the spectrum plots? It's not opening.

Also, what program do you use to get those measurements? I have the upgraded tuning tools for the Peterson strobe app which has a variety of spectrum plots but I haven't figured out how to capture them.

Reattached the spectrum plots. I used a feature in Audacity to 'Plot Spectrum'. Audacity is what I use to record.

rappsy
03-25-2016, 09:07 AM
My guess is that #1 is the Ono and #2 is the Collings. The #2 seems to be a bit more guitar like, but they are so very close and shows what kind a value the Ono is if there are so many differences of opinion as to which is which.

Great thread Hodge.

good_uke_boy
03-25-2016, 09:13 AM
Wow you guys have good ears. The spectrum plots of the initial open and 12th fret string plucks agree. The sounds are close, but a little different. #1 is more even and has more A-string volume. #2 has bigger lower end frequencies.

Is there any way to superimpose (overlay) one spectrum plot on the other? It looks to me like #2 has higher dB's at almost every frequency?

Doc_J
03-25-2016, 09:38 AM
Is there any way to superimpose (overlay) one spectrum plot on the other? It looks to me like #2 has higher dB's at almost every frequency?

Audacity only analyzes 1 segment at a time. But, I agree that #2 is a bit louder.
(I believe that I can export data and plot both in Excel.)

Here's both on 1 plot.

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Ukulele Eddie
03-25-2016, 10:30 AM
EDDIE are you a politician.........your danced around the issue but never declared anything concrete. Come man make a decision, lol.

Haha! If I was, I would insult a lot of people, talk about how I would make everything better despite having zero evidence of ever having done so, and then continue to live my hypocritical life hoping against all hope that nobody ever finds out my true mettle. ;-)

What I tried to be concrete about is that they are soooooo close to my ear that I it seems silly to pick based on sound. But, since you've mercilessly called me out on the debate stage, I'll say I would pick #2 if forced to pick on sound alone.

So, there! ;-)

DownUpDave
03-25-2016, 11:37 AM
Spoken like a true diplomat Eddie. They are both great sounding spruce top tenors. Viva ONOMAS

saltytri
03-25-2016, 02:00 PM
Hodge:

This is great fun! Thanks for going to the trouble of posting it. For the record, I've listened over and over but can't say with any confidence which is which.

bonesoup
03-25-2016, 02:34 PM
Very cool! Through my studio headphones they both sound great. I pretty much agree with Recstar's thoughts on their tone. I have to say I like both tones equally. The only way I could pick a favorite would be to hold them and play them myself. In other words I'd be happy with either. That's good marks for Ono because regardless which it is, they sound equally good to me. Meaning they have different tone characters, but what they do well is equally well. Thank you for this, Hodge!

good_uke_boy
03-25-2016, 03:09 PM
Audacity only analyzes 1 segment at a time. But, I agree that #2 is a bit louder.
(I believe that I can export data and plot both in Excel.)

Here's both on 1 plot.

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Cool -- thanks for doing.

sam13
03-25-2016, 03:19 PM
I like them both.

I think the Collings example is the first one. My reason: to my ear the sound is more homogeneous from top to bottom and full in the middle of the spectrum.

For me, I prefer the second one. I think with the size of the lower bout and of the over all body size of the Ono this would produce warmer and fuller tones with more tonal variation throughout the range of the fret board. To my ear, it is warmer and adds a nice colour to Spruce.

Uke man
03-25-2016, 06:47 PM
Having never played or heard an Ono up close, I think the Collings is number 2.

Dan Uke
03-25-2016, 09:42 PM
I say the second is the Collings but just a guess.

Doc_J
03-26-2016, 03:11 AM
This Ono and Collings have their own unique sound, but they do have some similarities. Each sounds terrific and is built to exceptionally high quality and precision standards. I enjoy both.



Now for the reveal....



....drum roll....




Tenor number 1 is the Collings, and tenor number 2 is the Ono.

Thanks for your interest, hope you had some fun.

DownUpDave
03-26-2016, 03:14 AM
Holy Smokes I got it right............dat dun happen 2 offen :cool:

David Ingalls should be very proud................I also loved the fact that he couldn't really tell which uke was which. There are both beautiful sounding instruments, thanks again Hodge.

rappsy
03-26-2016, 03:28 AM
Holy Smokes I got it right............dat dun happen 2 offen :cool:

David Ingalls should be very proud................I also loved the fact that he couldn't really tell which uke was which. There are both beautiful sounding instruments, thanks again Hodge.

I thought the same thing about David.

As usual, I guessed wrong. I don't feel bad about it though. I learned something else today. I had no idea which Uke was which, but I know what I like.

UkieOkie
03-26-2016, 03:55 AM
That was fun. Thanks Hodge.

mm stan
03-26-2016, 04:03 AM
Great Hodge.. congrats david I did pick your Ukulele :)

billten
03-27-2016, 04:24 AM
Hodge, can you tell me what gear you use for your recording? It always sounds so great and i'm not having a lot of luck with the mic i'm using right now.

Doc_J
03-27-2016, 03:01 PM
Hodge, can you tell me what gear you use for your recording? It always sounds so great and i'm not having a lot of luck with the mic i'm using right now.

Thanks. I use a Blue Yeti USB mic and Audacity software on PC running Windows10.

sam13
03-27-2016, 03:19 PM
Nailed it.

I thought No. 1 was a Collings.

I really liked the Ono.

Thanks Hodge for the comparison. It was fun.

ZappCatt
03-27-2016, 03:38 PM
Thanks. I use a Blue Yeti USB mic and Audacity software on PC running Windows10.

Wow, I have the same setup, and mine sounds nowhere near as clear.

Do you do any special settings in Audacity enabled? Do you happen to know what your USB mic settings are in "Recording Devices"? When I first plugged it in, Windows defaulted it to 97% but I get a lot of clipping. I moved it down to 50% and will try again soon.

Doc_J
03-27-2016, 05:33 PM
Wow, I have the same setup, and mine sounds nowhere near as clear.

Do you do any special settings in Audacity enabled? Do you happen to know what your USB mic settings are in "Recording Devices"? When I first plugged it in, Windows defaulted it to 97% but I get a lot of clipping. I moved it down to 50% and will try again soon.

I did not set anything in Control Panel or using Device Manager (actually I don't see anything there to adjust on the Yeti). I have the Yeti set in Cartoid mode with the gain knob line between 12 and 1 (using a clock reference). In Audacity I set the recording level as high a possible without clipping. When saving a exporting a sound file I use mp3 format at 256 kb/s. I record about 1 foot away from the mic. Hope that info helps.

ZappCatt
03-27-2016, 06:37 PM
I did not set anything in Control Panel or using Device Manager (actually I don't see anything there to adjust on the Yeti). I have the Yeti set in Cartoid mode with the gain knob line between 12 and 1 (using a clock reference). In Audacity I set the recording level as high a possible without clipping. When saving a exporting a sound file I use mp3 format at 256 kb/s. I record about 1 foot away from the mic. Hope that info helps.

Thanks for the info.

iDavid
03-30-2016, 10:14 AM
The Ono was excellent!

LarryS
03-30-2016, 12:28 PM
Hard to differentiate to be honest, even with headphones. Both sound great. By the way, what does reentrant mean? Is it two strings playing the same note?

Peace Train
03-30-2016, 12:35 PM
Hard to differentiate to be honest, even with headphones. Both sound great. By the way, what does reentrant mean? Is it two strings playing the same note?

GCEA tuning where G is high G, as compared to linear tuning where G is low G.

LarryS
03-30-2016, 12:49 PM
GCEA tuning where G is high G, as compared to linear tuning where G is low G.

So how most concert ukes are tuned, including mine (also my son's soprano)

DownUpDave
03-30-2016, 01:39 PM
So how most concert ukes are tuned, including mine (also my son's soprano)

Yes the typical uke string set up or tuning is reentrant or high G. The 4th string is thinner and higher pitched then the third string which is the thickest and deepest sound string in reentrant tuning. This is what gives the ukulele it's unique ukulele sound

Ukulele Eddie
04-23-2016, 06:35 AM
For those keen to grab an Ono, a very lovely spec spruce/walnut tenor just hit HMS. Has a wonderful, warm sound to my ear:

http://www.theukulelesite.com/ono-custom-spruce-walnut-tenor.html

While I'm a fan of both David/Ono and Andrew&Team/HMS, I am just posting in case somebody is interested as Ono's don't come up often and I think they are super values.

rappsy
04-23-2016, 07:14 AM
Congrats to David on his being included in HMS's inventory. The build is immaculate and this spruce is beautiful.

rappsy
04-23-2016, 07:26 AM
For those keen to grab an Ono, a very lovely spec spruce/walnut tenor just hit HMS. Has a wonderful, warm sound to my ear:

http://www.theukulelesite.com/ono-custom-spruce-walnut-tenor.html

While I'm a fan of both David/Ono and Andrew&Team/HMS, I am just posting in case somebody is interested as Ono's don't come up often and I think they are super values.


Thanks for this Eddie. I did want to point out that the heading is incorrect as it lists this as a concert spruce/myrtle. I have notified HMS as to the wording error.
(This has now been corrected.)

DownUpDave
04-23-2016, 08:38 AM
Eddie

I have noticed this tenor. It looks like the big brother to my concert, same curly walnut back and sides and light coloured tops, even has curly maple binding like my concert.

I am trying real hard to resist. If it had a sound port I would have hit the "buy" button already. Thanks for making it even harder on me Eddie :stop:

JustinJ
04-23-2016, 10:53 AM
I'm late to this thread but thanks for doing the comparison. You always come up with a good topic for learning. To my ears, I really liked the sound of uke 1 especially the high notes. They had a clarity but also some color added to them. Sometimes an instrument can sound sterile at least to my ears. I'm very particular about high notes on an instrument. I like them to be smooth and clear. I've noticed that it seems easy to get the bass sound on an instrument but the higher treble sounds are not always there.

saltytri
04-23-2016, 01:56 PM
Eddie

I have noticed this tenor. It looks like the big brother to my concert, same curly walnut back and sides and light coloured tops, even has curly maple binding like my concert.

I am trying real hard to resist. If it had a sound port I would have hit the "buy" button already. Thanks for making it even harder on me Eddie :stop:

They don't have Dremels up there in the far north? :)

CdnSouthpaw
04-24-2016, 03:33 PM
I'm going with #1 as the Collings and #2 as the Ono. Both do sound good.

Pete F
07-25-2016, 10:05 AM
Having just this minute put down my mahogany with spruce top Collings tenor...I thought #2 was the Collings. I based this purely on it sounding the slightly brighter of the two samples, having a maple body. Obviously, I wasn't right in that assumption. Maybe, it's the Adirondack on the Ono which has a rep for the most punchiest of the spruces......