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Ukulelerick9255
04-11-2016, 05:40 AM
For those of you that play a wound low g and wound C do you prefer nylon or flurocarbon for the E and A strings? I'm using a Fremont polished low G and a polished medium gauge C from Southcoast. I have tried clear flurocarbons from southcoast, blackline flurocarbon by Fremont and black nylon from D'Addario. Just curious what other people prefer.

Ukejenny
04-11-2016, 05:43 AM
I have a wound low G that Joe from Blackbird recommended for me, as I don't like wound strings. I still want to try an unwound low G on my Clara. The other strings, I can't remember what they are - whatever Joe recommended and put on there before Blackbird sent it out to me.

I have played Worth Clears with an unwound low G and loved them. I'm going to try them on the Clara when I do a string change.

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
04-11-2016, 05:45 AM
Oasis warm E and A with those wound basses.

wayfarer75
04-11-2016, 06:04 AM
I have Living Waters on mine--fluorocarbon. Nylon strings aren't for me.

ETA: the G and C are wound strings. Fremont Soloist for G and Thomastik-Infeld CF27 guitar string for C. It's just E and A that are Living Waters. Expensive set, yes, but I love them!

Ukulelerick9255
04-11-2016, 06:07 AM
Thanks Chuck I haven't tried them yet but I have some Oasis warm so I'll try them when the new uke gets here on Wed.

Soundbored
04-11-2016, 06:58 AM
For those of you that play a wound low g and wound C do you prefer nylon or flurocarbon for the E and A strings? I'm using a Fremont polished low G and a polished medium gauge C from Southcoast. I have tried clear flurocarbons from southcoast, blackline flurocarbon by Fremont and black nylon from D'Addario. Just curious what other people prefer.

I have D'Addario carbons (EJ99sc) with an Augustine wound "D" for G3 on my Kiwaya KTS-7. It's nearly perfect, except their stock C string is too low in tension for me, hence my other thread about a Seaguar .036 fishing line. I have the D'Addario wound .020 for doing wound C, but I've just been too lazy recently to cut and shape the new bone nut needed.

Fremont and Nylgut all sounded too dark and flubby on this soprano.

Down Up Dick
04-11-2016, 07:53 AM
I have wound low strings on most of my ukes. I usta use Aquila Reds, but I had breakage problems with them.

I like the sound that wound strings make when one frets them--sounds professional. The only thing with my playing that does! :old:

jollyboy
04-11-2016, 08:13 AM
I have wound low-G and C strings (D'Addario silverplated copper on nylon) on two concerts. So far I have tried Fremont Blacklines, Living Waters and Martin M600s for E and A. Er, yeah I guess I prefer fluoros :) Having said that I don't like overly bright strings - I thought that the Fremonts were a bit too 'chimey'. I'm keen to try the Oasis warms.

PS: One reason that led me to trying a wound C in the first place was that I don't like thick strings - I don't like the feel of them and also I think they can sound a bit 'thuddy'. This is also what led me try fluorocarbons - the typically narrower gauges.

Recstar24
04-11-2016, 08:39 AM
Oasis warm E and A with those wound basses.

What chuck said but I use a bright oasis a.

I just took out the wound c on my Hoffmann ML and replaced with a normal oasis just to compare and contrast. The wound c gives a brighter, more articulate attack and tone but went back to normal c Flouro just to hear and compare.

Joyful Uke
04-11-2016, 08:50 AM
+1 for Living Waters strings. I bought a wound low G to use, but like the LW set as it came, so haven't changed to the wound low G.

spookelele
04-11-2016, 09:08 AM
Nylon doesn't seem keep up with wound very well and get drowned out.
I've found that to be true with both d'addrio and aquila.
When you run a melody up, the nylons tend to sound dull when crossing over from the wound, so I've mostly quit trying to use nylon to blend with wound. Doesn't seem to matter if the wounds are alu, or bronze that way, the nylons always sound drowned out with wounds to me. Which is wierd, cuz that's how guitars do it, but it seems much less noticeable there. Maybe cuz they're longer? I dunno.

People sometimes say wound are "boomy", when what I think they're actually hearing is that the trebles are not keeping up.

Ukulelerick9255
04-11-2016, 09:43 AM
I didn't want to give my preference at first so I would get unbiased responses but I have to admit my girst choice so far has been the black nylon from D'addario. To me the flurocarbon gets to bright almost tinny. This may be to general a statement to make but to me the flurocarbon makes an expensive uke sound like it's not an expensive uke is the best way I can out it lol that said I haven't tried the Oasis warm yet and I'll try Chucks suggestion.

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
04-11-2016, 10:33 AM
I didn't want to give my preference at first so I would get unbiased responses but I have to admit my girst choice so far has been the black nylon from D'addario. To me the flurocarbon gets to bright almost tinny. This may be to general a statement to make but to me the flurocarbon makes an expensive uke sound like it's not an expensive uke is the best way I can out it lol that said I haven't tried the Oasis warm yet and I'll try Chucks suggestion.

The only difference between the Oasis warm and bright sets is the A string is a little smaller in diameter in the bright configuration. The rest of the strings are the same. I've used nothing but fluorocarbon on my ukes for as long as it's been available. Strings can only do so much to alter the nature of the instrument. This is why it's important to find the strings that make the uke you have sound the way you want.

hawaii 50
04-11-2016, 10:52 AM
I didn't want to give my preference at first so I would get unbiased responses but I have to admit my girst choice so far has been the black nylon from D'addario. To me the flurocarbon gets to bright almost tinny. This may be to general a statement to make but to me the flurocarbon makes an expensive uke sound like it's not an expensive uke is the best way I can out it lol that said I haven't tried the Oasis warm yet and I'll try Chucks suggestion.


all my ukes have fluorocarbon strings and I don't think they sound like a Luna...maybe something wrong with my ears....:) nylon strings sound thuddy IMO
I also use mostly Oasis strings..but some of my ukes have PHD strings....never heard too many people say what you have said above.....

btw I use a Soloist lowG and a Southcoast wound C...but lately just using the soloist lowG
my 2 cents

Steveperrywriter
04-11-2016, 11:22 AM
Three combinations: 1) Wound Southcoast Mediums with their fluro E and A; 2) Southcoast light-mediums, full set. And 3) Chuck's frankenstring set, Southcoast wounds with Oasis warms. The Oasis fluros are a bit thicker than Southcoasts, and they sound fine.

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
04-11-2016, 12:18 PM
Three combinations: 1) Wound Southcoast Mediums with their fluro E and A; 2) Southcoast light-mediums, full set. And 3) Chuck's frankenstring set, Southcoast wounds with Oasis warms. The Oasis fluros are a bit thicker than Southcoasts, and they sound fine.

My Frankenset actually has a Fremont Soloist low G, Steve. And I'll be trying out the Thomastik-Infeld CF27 flat wound C on this next batch of ukes.

johnson430
04-11-2016, 01:26 PM
I didn't want to give my preference at first so I would get unbiased responses but I have to admit my girst choice so far has been the black nylon from D'addario. To me the flurocarbon gets to bright almost tinny. This may be to general a statement to make but to me the flurocarbon makes an expensive uke sound like it's not an expensive uke is the best way I can out it lol .


Hey Rick,
Firstly, are you speaking from your own experience?

...because me and my ukes are going to have to humbly disagree with this assertion.

Fluorocarbon strings are the most responsive strings I have ever used. Period.
PHD being at the top of my list.

Ukulelerick9255
04-11-2016, 02:03 PM
Ok maybe it's just me....the only other way I can put it besides FC being to bright is they sound artificial to me and nylon sounds more natural....maybe it's brighter versus warmer and I just like warmer better. I'll keep experimenting. The E and A that really seemed way to bright for me were the Fremont Blackline so maybe I'll just avoid those and stick with Southcoast and Oasis for FC.

Recstar24
04-11-2016, 02:08 PM
My Frankenset actually has a Fremont Soloist low G, Steve. And I'll be trying out the Thomastik-Infeld CF27 flat wound C on this next batch of ukes.

Would love to hear your thoughts when you've had a chance to use them. I've got a cf27 and a cf30 that can be used for low g, thinking about a potential frankenset with Fremont low g, infeld cf 27 wound c, and oasis trebles.

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
04-11-2016, 02:44 PM
Would love to hear your thoughts when you've had a chance to use them. I've got a cf27 and a cf30 that can be used for low g, thinking about a potential frankenset with Fremont low g, infeld cf 27 wound c, and oasis trebles.

CF30 for the G string, CF27 for the C. I'll have some strung up in a couple of days.

Recstar24
04-11-2016, 02:55 PM
CF30 for the G string, CF27 for the C. I'll have some strung up in a couple of days.


Thanks chuck, that is what I meant, but did not do a good job explaining lol. I hope they work out well for your bettahs.

Soundbored
04-11-2016, 03:03 PM
Ok maybe it's just me....the only other way I can put it besides FC being to bright is they sound artificial to me and nylon sounds more natural....maybe it's brighter versus warmer and I just like warmer better. I'll keep experimenting. The E and A that really seemed way to bright for me were the Fremont Blackline so maybe I'll just avoid those and stick with Southcoast and Oasis for FC.

Well, nylon strings definitely have fewer harmonics and less sustain, which depending on the ukulele you may be interpreting as "warm", etc. I love plain old nylon strings on my classical guitar, and I have two other ukes that sound great with Nylgut. But the Kiwaya was dead with any nylon strings. Who knows why.

jollyboy
04-11-2016, 03:30 PM
The E and A that really seemed way to bright for me were the Fremont Blackline so maybe I'll just avoid those and stick with Southcoast and Oasis for FC.

As someone who is generally a fan of fluoros I agree with you about the Blacklines. I seem to remember a reviewer describing them as sounding a bit like a toy piano. That's kind of harsh but, well, I would definitely describe their tone as sort-of-metallic - bell-like but not in a good way. 'Plinky'...

I'm really liking the M600s at the moment. They seem well-balanced - somewhere in the middle of noticeably warm and noticeably bright.

pritch
04-11-2016, 03:44 PM
This may be to general a statement to make but to me the flurocarbon makes an expensive uke sound like it's not an expensive uke is the best way I can out it lol

Your opinion is valid but is specific to your ukulele(s). Last week a much better player than I had a turn on my Pono AC with Fremont Blacklines and Soloist low G. He was most impressed by the tone. Actually, so was I. :)

JJFN
04-11-2016, 06:30 PM
CF30 for the G string, CF27 for the C. I'll have some strung up in a couple of days. Excuse me, but what does CF30 and CF 27 mean?

Recstar24
04-11-2016, 06:37 PM
Excuse me, but what does CF30 and CF 27 mean?

They are the specific model number of thomastik-infeld strings that can be used for a low g wound and wound c string. The number refers to the gauge, and CF is the series number of that particular guitar string.

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
04-11-2016, 06:41 PM
Excuse me, but what does CF30 and CF 27 mean?

They are designations for Thomastik-Enfeld guitar strings. The CF27 is suitable for C strings on ukes; the CF30 for low G.

https://www.stringsbymail.com/thomastik-infeld-cf27-3rd-string-g-027-chrome-steel-flat-wound-2480.html

Hammond
04-11-2016, 07:10 PM
With nylon strings, usually I can hit them really hard (both picking & strumming), still getting sweet warm sound.

With fluorocarbon strings, it usually require proper right-hand technique to avoid too bright / "tinny" / or metallic sound, yet it is archive-able.

I also try not to judge the strings by sound volume / projection. It could be tension or other factors. The very loud sound from an over driven soundboard may not sound very well.

Anyway, I think this is off-topic already. Have a good day & enjoy the music :)

Hammond
04-11-2016, 07:15 PM
I love the highly polished wound G & C from Southcoast's Heavy Medium Sets (both HML-WB & HML-CM classical metals), they work well with other warmer E & A strings too, however not so well with brighter strings as my limited experience.

JJFN
04-12-2016, 02:31 AM
Thank you Chuck Moore and Recstar24 for your answers.

Soundbored
04-12-2016, 02:58 AM
They are designations for Thomastik-Enfeld guitar strings. The CF27 is suitable for C strings on ukes; the CF30 for low G.

https://www.stringsbymail.com/thomastik-infeld-cf27-3rd-string-g-027-chrome-steel-flat-wound-2480.html

Have you actually used flat wounds on a uke yet? I'm checking the numbers, and it doesn't seem like a good idea at all. Flat wound strings have a very high unit weight for their diameter.

Assuming the D'Addario chromes are similar to the T-E chromes, the .026 C string would have 17.8 pounds of tension on a soprano. Even the thinnest one, 0.020 is over 10 pounds.

wayfarer75
04-12-2016, 04:13 AM
Have you actually used flat wounds on a uke yet? I'm checking the numbers, and it doesn't seem like a good idea at all. Flat wound strings have a very high unit weight for their diameter.

Assuming the D'Addario chromes are similar to the T-E chromes, the .026 C string would have 17.8 pounds of tension on a soprano. Even the thinnest one, 0.020 is over 10 pounds.

I use the Thomastik-Infeld CF27 on a concert uke. It's fine. I got the suggestion from another UU member, and I am fairly confident that Chuck knows more about this stuff than I do. These are classical strings, not electric.

stevejfc
04-12-2016, 04:47 AM
Fremont soloist, Southcoast medium and PHD e and a. The PHDs have a nice smooth ring that bring out the "pop" in the wound bass strings.

Soundbored
04-12-2016, 06:10 AM
I use the Thomastik-Infeld CF27 on a concert uke. It's fine. I got the suggestion from another UU member, and I am fairly confident that Chuck knows more about this stuff than I do. These are classical strings, not electric.

They must be nylon core then. No worries. ;)

DownUpDave
04-12-2016, 06:59 AM
I've used the ti 30/27/oasis combination after Booli mentioned it. I think it would be great on a spruce top.
The alu wound are pretty smooth, and the result is a less forward bass.
I think the soloist/27/oasis e/a sounded strange. The soloist is louder than the TI making it seem unbalanced.

The 30 as a low g, I'm surprised isn't more common, since for a wound, it's pretty tame, so people that don't like the boomy of a wound G... would probably like it. The TI's in general are pretty mellow for wounds.


I have found the same thing as you. Putting on a CF 27 for a wound C string along side of either SC or Fremont wound G sounded unbalanced and off. The CF 27 is a very good string but it appears it needs to paired with another aluminum wound in the G string spot for proper tonal balance.

Recstar24
04-12-2016, 07:15 AM
How's the tension on a tenor comparing the TI wounds vs SC wounds?

photoshooter
04-12-2016, 08:06 AM
I have Southcoast ML-WB on two of my ukes and find that the combination of 2 wound basses and 2 flouro trebles sounds very balanced in this set.

Osprey
04-12-2016, 11:00 AM
I have Southcoast ML-WB on two of my ukes and find that the combination of 2 wound basses and 2 flouro trebles sounds very balanced in this set.

I have them one one of my tenors and really like them for linear tuning.

DownUpDave
04-12-2016, 11:23 AM
How's the tension on a tenor comparing the TI wounds vs SC wounds?

I find them pretty close Ryan..I like high tension strings so something a wee bit softer I usually don't even notice.

johnson430
04-12-2016, 12:39 PM
Interesting video I just came across with Kalei Gamiao comparing 11 different string sets.
I found some interesting information from the 3:50 to 5:00 mark.
He talks about the strings @ 7:50 to the end of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsxmo63MW4E&nohtml5=False

sam13
04-12-2016, 02:00 PM
Interesting video I just came across with Kalei Gamiao comparing 11 different string sets.
I found some interesting information from the 3:50 to 5:00 mark.
He talks about the strings @ 7:50 to the end of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsxmo63MW4E&nohtml5=False

This is a great video Johnson, thanks for sharing ... I personally liked most of them but found the Oasis Bright with wound 4th and the Fremont Soloist with the Floros to be my favourites.

johnson430
04-13-2016, 05:14 AM
This is a great video Johnson, thanks for sharing ... I personally liked most of them but found the Oasis Bright with wound 4th and the Fremont Soloist with the Floros to be my favourites.

Sam, glad you liked the video. I too like the Freemont Soloist with the floros. I think I will be ordering a set today for my MGT.

jelow1966
04-16-2016, 11:49 AM
I've been reading this thread with much interest since the wound bass idea appeals to me but I'm confused as to what size ukes we are talking about. I wish to do this on my concert size Graziano and right now have an Aquila low G, a wound C from some old tenor set and D'Addario carbons for the E and A just to see how it sounds. It works but the C seems muted and the G a bit boomy. Was looking at a set from Southcoast but according to their site none of the wound bass sets are recommended for the 15" scale length. Would they work anyway or am I better off just trying something else? Thanks, I think wound bass strings have good potential on this uke, balances the brightness out.

John

jollyboy
04-16-2016, 12:01 PM
I've been reading this thread with much interest since the wound bass idea appeals to me but I'm confused as to what size ukes we are talking about. I wish to do this on my concert size Graziano and right now have an Aquila low G, a wound C from some old tenor set and D'Addario carbons for the E and A just to see how it sounds. It works but the C seems muted and the G a bit boomy. Was looking at a set from Southcoast but according to their site none of the wound bass sets are recommended for the 15" scale length. Would they work anyway or am I better off just trying something else? Thanks, I think wound bass strings have good potential on this uke, balances the brightness out.

John

Hi,

I've been experimenting a lot lately with wound low-G and wound C on a concert uke. I'm currently using D'Addario silverwound copper on nylon strings for both - NYL026W for the G and NYL020W for C. I've calculated the tension for these and it comes out as just under 8.5lbs per string, which is pretty typical for concert scale. These work well paired with the A and E strings from a Martin M600 set.

jelow1966
04-16-2016, 01:11 PM
Hi,

I've been experimenting a lot lately with wound low-G and wound C on a concert uke. I'm currently using D'Addario silverwound copper on nylon strings for both - NYL026W for the G and NYL020W for C. I've calculated the tension for these and it comes out as just under 8.5lbs per string, which is pretty typical for concert scale. These work well paired with the A and E strings from a Martin M600 set.

Thanks! I really like the carbons on this uke and will probably keep them on but I'll look into getting the strings you mention, sounds like a good place to start.

Ok, decided to just go ahead and order one each of the D'Addario 19,20,22,24,25 and 26. Out of all that I should be able to find a combo I like :)

John

jollyboy
04-16-2016, 05:35 PM
Thanks! I really like the carbons on this uke and will probably keep them on but I'll look into getting the strings you mention, sounds like a good place to start.

Ok, decided to just go ahead and order one each of the D'Addario 19,20,22,24,25 and 26. Out of all that I should be able to find a combo I like :)

John

Cool :) I forgot to mention that custom builders Mya Moe offer the NYL026W as a wound low-G option on new soprano and concert instruments - it was them I stole the idea from. By which I mean I didn't just pull it out of thin air :P I figured if they're happy to use it, it must be pretty decent.

JJFN
04-18-2016, 02:54 PM
My Frankenset actually has a Fremont Soloist low G, Steve. And I'll be trying out the Thomastik-Infeld CF27 flat wound C on this next batch of ukes.

I've tried this combination on my Koaloha tenor. It is sweet. The two wound strings and the Oasis Warm's sound great and have a nice sustain. Thanx for the tip.

dayslikethis
11-19-2018, 08:47 AM
How did you get on with your string change? Which did you settle on? I have just got a Clara.