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Luke El U
04-16-2016, 11:41 PM
Does anyone have one? Or at least played one?

I'm wondering how much wider the fretboard may be, if at all?

Tross rod?

Pics?

kissing
04-17-2016, 01:02 AM
I'm not sure whether there is a readily available model out there, but you can tune the common Tenor 8-string like a baritone.

A baritone model will simply have a slightly longer scale and bigger body than a tenor. The fretboard width should not change much.

anthonyg
04-17-2016, 01:28 AM
I have a brucewei 8 string baritone. They sound GLORIOUS but they are harder to play. Mine needs a little fretwork so I don't play it much but its on my list to spend some money on setting it up properly. The standard brucewei baritone has a neck 32mm wide at the nut. The 8 string baritone is 38mm wide at the nut. This is neck width not string width. Yes it has an adjustable truss rod although I've rounded out the hex which is slightly annoying. It was never the easiest truss rod to adjust.

Anthony

Luke El U
04-18-2016, 03:51 PM
Thank you for your responses. I'm thinking of commissioning a luthier to create what I would call a "modern renaissance guitar".
Basically a baritone with 7 strings tuned like a four course renaissance guitar: GG cc ee a.

It needs to have low action, excellent intonation and easy to play the finger style guitar music of the 16th century.

mds725
04-18-2016, 06:32 PM
I have two. The first is a Mele 8-string long-neck tenor that is strung like a baritone with octaved D and G strings and paired B and E strings. I bought it because the only 8-string baritone I was aware of at the time was one that had to be custom ordered from Kanile'a. A few days later, I was at The Ukulele Site's store in Hale'iwa, and I was telling MusicGuyMike how I had just scored an 8-string baritone when he disappeared for a moment and came back with what was, at the time, a very rare Kamaka 8-string baritone. It was beautiful, so I bought it, and I love it. I don't have it here with me, so I can't measure the width of the fretboard at the nut, but I will when I can and I'll post it then.

TheCraftedCow
04-18-2016, 08:25 PM
Have you ever heard of a tiple? I have a 1923 Martin and a 1970 Japanese copy. The real Martin has an adirondack spruce top while the Japanese Yamaki counterfeit is solid mahogany. Both have a 37 mm wide side to side nut with 32 mm outside of the 4th to the outside of the first string. They can be gCEA or originally weredGBE with d but then Martin pulled up to the higher tuning with steel strings. Man, you talk about finger killers, gG CcC EeE AA on steel and you are talking serious pain ! Go back to how it was in South America 100 years before a ukulele was ever a name for a musical instrument, and it is like wearing snowshoes in deep snow. It pleasurizes the fingers with synthetic strings and some low wound metal strings. Dd GgG BbB EE or a really lush sound... Ee--low d pulled up a whole step. It is easy to fingerpick or strum. If you want to hear lush, rich, full sound, listen to some tiples on You Tube.

PhilUSAFRet
04-18-2016, 08:43 PM
Would one of these work? It's the new 8 string version of Pono's equally new "Big Bari"

http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?119826-News-from-Pono-Octave-Mandolins!

anthonyg
04-18-2016, 10:41 PM
Thank you for your responses. I'm thinking of commissioning a luthier to create what I would call a "modern renaissance guitar".
Basically a baritone with 7 strings tuned like a four course renaissance guitar: GG cc ee a.

It needs to have low action, excellent intonation and easy to play the finger style guitar music of the 16th century.

I fingerpick on my 8 string baritone however it does require more effort than a 4 string baritone. Mind you. Leo Kottke manages to play a 12 string acoustic guitar at lightning speeds so all is possible.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnQTC5ICGik

Anthony

Soundbored
04-19-2016, 12:33 AM
Don't rule out using just a standard ukulele.

http://youtu.be/0-SS-YoNbbc

Down Up Dick
04-19-2016, 02:38 AM
Don't rule out using just a standard ukulele.

http://youtu.be/0-SS-YoNbbc

That was very nice. Thanks for the tip, but what does it have to do with the thread? :old:

Down Up Dick
04-19-2016, 02:41 AM
Have you ever heard of a tiple? I have a 1923 Martin and a 1970 Japanese copy. The real Martin has an adirondack spruce top while the Japanese Yamaki counterfeit is solid mahogany. Both have a 37 mm wide side to side nut with 32 mm outside of the 4th to the outside of the first string. They can be gCEA or originally weredGBE with d but then Martin pulled up to the higher tuning with steel strings. Man, you talk about finger killers, gG CcC EeE AA on steel and you are talking serious pain ! Go back to how it was in South America 100 years before a ukulele was ever a name for a musical instrument, and it is like wearing snowshoes in deep snow. It pleasurizes the fingers with synthetic strings and some low wound metal strings. Dd GgG BbB EE or a really lush sound... Ee--low d pulled up a whole step. It is easy to fingerpick or strum. If you want to hear lush, rich, full sound, listen to some tiples on You Tube.

I saw a tiple Uke at a local music store. Wow! Really cool, but I'd hate to hafta tune the darn thing every time I played. :old:

FiL
04-19-2016, 02:57 AM
Would one of these work? It's the new 8 string version of Pono's equally new "Big Bari"

http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?119826-News-from-Pono-Octave-Mandolins!

Keep in mind that this is a steel-string instrument (and is not yet in production). And although I haven't seen any numbers for the nut width, my guess is that it will have a narrower nut width than an 8-string uke, given that it's meant to be tuned and played like an octave mandolin.

- FiL

FiL
04-19-2016, 03:13 AM
Have you ever heard of a tiple? I have a 1923 Martin and a 1970 Japanese copy. The real Martin has an adirondack spruce top while the Japanese Yamaki counterfeit is solid mahogany. Both have a 37 mm wide side to side nut with 32 mm outside of the 4th to the outside of the first string. They can be gCEA or originally weredGBE with d but then Martin pulled up to the higher tuning with steel strings. Man, you talk about finger killers, gG CcC EeE AA on steel and you are talking serious pain ! Go back to how it was in South America 100 years before a ukulele was ever a name for a musical instrument, and it is like wearing snowshoes in deep snow. It pleasurizes the fingers with synthetic strings and some low wound metal strings. Dd GgG BbB EE or a really lush sound... Ee--low d pulled up a whole step. It is easy to fingerpick or strum. If you want to hear lush, rich, full sound, listen to some tiples on You Tube.

So-called "North American" tiples (Martins, Regals, and their copies), were never meant to be tuned dGBE. They were actually originally tuned Aa-dDd-f#F#f#-BB. They are smaller than the OP's bari-sized request. Awesome sound though, when you can actually get one to play in tune! :)

The Colombian tiple, which reportedly was the inspiration for the North American tiple, is really a completely different instrument. It is tuned dDd-gGg-BBB-EEE (all triple strings), and it is a much bigger instrument, with a scale length in the bari range (or a 3/4-sized classical guitar).

Both instruments have steel strings. The Colombian tiple has a really wide neck, with something like a 1.5" nut width if memory serves.

- FiL

Soundbored
04-19-2016, 07:25 AM
That was very nice. Thanks for the tip, but what does it have to do with the thread? :old:

See post #4.

"I'm thinking of commissioning a luthier to create what I would call a "modern renaissance guitar".
Basically a baritone with 7 strings tuned like a four course renaissance guitar: GG cc ee a."

Down Up Dick
04-19-2016, 08:45 AM
Ok, Soundbored you're still the very best poster in the UU. No one comes anywhere near your musical knowledge and your ability to write posts that are very exact and to the point.

I, on the other hand, make frequent mistakes and sometimes have crazy ideas. I bow to your Uke superiority. :old:

mds725
04-19-2016, 09:53 AM
I'm wondering how much wider the fretboard may be, if at all?

My Kamaka 8 string baritone has a fretboard that's 1.5 inches at the nut.

Luke El U
04-19-2016, 03:09 PM
That was very nice. Thanks for the tip, but what does it have to do with the thread? :old:

Actually, it has a lot to do with this thread. UkeVal has been a major inspiration for me for the past 4 years or so. Here's his intro to a "authentic" copy of a renaissance guitar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrhLpxX4EvE

I want a renaissance guitar sound and feel, but "modernized" with Gotoh Planetary tuners, a truss rod and metal frets like a uke. Baritones are almost the same size. I love the 8-string Pono, but I don't want metal strings.

Soundbored
04-19-2016, 05:14 PM
Actually, it has a lot to do with this thread. UkeVal has been a major inspiration for me for the past 4 years or so. Here's his intro to a "authentic" copy of a renaissance guitar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrhLpxX4EvE

I want a renaissance guitar sound and feel, but "modernized" with Gotoh Planetary tuners, a truss rod and metal frets like a uke. Baritones are almost the same size. I love the 8-string Pono, but I don't want metal strings.

Modernized would be single strings. Renaissance and baroque instruments were strung with doubled and/or octave courses to compensate for the poor volume, intonation, and harmonics of the gut strings available at the time. And renaissance guitar music doesn't seem to take any melodic advantage of octave courses like many later baroque guitar pieces do. So what are you losing exactly, other than tuning headaches?

There was a quote about tipples or taropatches, I forget... you spend half the time tuning, and the other half the time playing out of tune.

Luke El U
04-19-2016, 08:50 PM
So what are you losing exactly, other than tuning headaches?

Easy: that classic, beautiful lute-like SOUND of doubled strings! It's magical.

Down Up Dick
04-20-2016, 04:45 AM
Does anyone have one? Or at least played one?

I'm wondering how much wider the fretboard may be, if at all?

Tross rod?

Pics?

Well, Luke El U, the above was the beginning of the thread. It is about baritone eighters, and other posters wrote about eighters. I admit that I got caught up in a few about tiples though. So, anyway, my comment to Soundbored was correct until you changed the subject of the thread.

So, apparently, you now want an instrument that's different from a regular eighter, and Soundbored is still talking about regular ukuleles.

Maybe I'm not such a mixed up ol' geezer after all. :old:

TheCraftedCow
04-21-2016, 09:42 AM
As I read the original post, I knew specifically what he said he wanted. My reply was to ask if he knew of an already existing alternative. I was reminded of the commercial where the person slaps their head, and laments," I coulda had a V-8!' A conscious choice of alternatives already in existence was all I intended. I was blessed with information I did not know about my two instruments. I absolutely hated steel strung tiples, and like the lower sounds and tensions of Nashville tuning. I do not find tuning to be a problem, and am very conscious of being in key on pitch.

Luke El U
04-21-2016, 09:55 PM
As I read the original post, I knew specifically what he said he wanted. My reply was to ask if he knew of an already existing alternative. I was reminded of the commercial where the person slaps their head, and laments," I coulda had a V-8!' A conscious choice of alternatives already in existence was all I intended. I was blessed with information I did not know about my two instruments. I absolutely hated steel strung tiples, and like the lower sounds and tensions of Nashville tuning. I do not find tuning to be a problem, and am very conscious of being in key on pitch.

Yeah, thanks for sharing Crafted. I too remember those V-8 ads! String tension is a big concern for me.

You know, I must say I'm always surprised from people who are overly concerned about staying "on topic." Your tiple suggestion is more than welcome. Let it be known that if anyone wants to go off topic on one of my posts, that's perfectly fine with me. Fly, be free!

anthonyg
04-22-2016, 01:56 AM
If string tension is going to be an issue then I suggest you choose a 19" scale length rather than a 20" scale length.

You could buy a Brucewei 8 string baritone which has a 19" scale length for cheap. I'm not suggesting that this will be your ideal instrument but it would be a cheap way to prove the concept before going custom. Mele will sell you a 19" 8 string baritone for less than most.

If your going custom I know that Scott Wise is working on a 19" scale 8 string baritone at the moment.

Anthony