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Timbuck
06-30-2016, 12:35 AM
It all started off when I received this e-mail from a Guy in CA.

Hello Tim,
I have seen your videos on You Tube and like your instruments.

I an 75 years old and my mother passed on a few years ago. She did play the Ukulele with a senior group. Anyway, I have recently discovered a complete original Martin soprano neck in a box of her things. Evidently the sound box was badly damaged and discarded. I have never seen this neck before and have no idea where it might have come from. The neck is complete with fretboard, perfect dovetail, tuners, and nut. It still bears the martin label. I can send photos if you are interested in seeing it.
My question is, would you be willing to build a mahogany sound box for this neck? I plan on playing this Ukelele along with my mother's old Kamaka. I am not trying to deceive anyone that it is a Martin, although it deserves to look like a Martin!
Thanks in advance for your reply.
Joe
He sent me a few photo's and I came to the conclusion that it was from a Style 1 Soprano..I thought "no problem" I could easily make body to fit that co's I ve got all the jigs etc:just that size, and as a bonus I could finally get some idea of what the dovetail was really like co's they rarely break off and I'd never seen one close up ...So I took on the Job :)..When this neck arrived a few days later I examined it carefully and something didn't quite look right, the fretboard extension looked a bit big compared to my sopranos..so I held it side by side to a soprano and realised that it was a Concert neck from a Martin style 1C...and seeing as I had took on the job I decided to make a Concert size Body to make it whole and play again.
I have been asked to make a concert size Martin copy many times over the last few years and I've always declined co's I didnt have the templates or jigs..so now some materials are on the way so I can make a mold and a few templates and stuff...Here are a few pics of the neck ..As you can see the dovetail joint wasnt a great fit but it was well cut...and there is a small amount of the black white and rosewood binding still there so I can get some dimensions...also there is enough of the neck block left to get sizes from...and according to the Martin records the scale is 14 3/4" but it is actually closer to 14 7/8".


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Booli
06-30-2016, 01:28 AM
Wow Ken!

Kudos to you for helping to rescue that family heirloom for that old guy.

If someone came to me with a question like this, you'd be the first person I could think of to solve this problem.

It seems a happy side effect that you might also be creating some concert ukes down the road as a result of this project.

Mahalo!

Jim Hanks
06-30-2016, 01:51 AM
Way cool. And once this gets figured out, can a longneck soprano be far behind? :cool:

Mivo
06-30-2016, 02:40 AM
Love reading those stories and seeing photos. :) I guess this is like a form of "reality TV" for us uke fans!

Timbuck
06-30-2016, 05:24 AM
Today while I was in the shed I thought i'd make a start..so I removed the remains of the the neck block from the male dovetail with a 1/4" chisel plus hot water and a small scraper..then I made a female neck block to fit it, I did this the hard way with a razor saw, drill bit, and a chisel, and using some blue chalk to i/d the high spots..It took about 45 minutes to get a good fit and I was very pleased with the outcome (my apprenticeship is nearly over)...Also I made a routing template out of some scrap plywood ready for when the materials for the mold arrives...More pic's

https://live.staticflickr.com/7825/47606620011_8bcfe8d37f_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fwQnxi)PICT0007%202_zpscz0mpu1g (https://flic.kr/p/2fwQnxi) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
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Booli
06-30-2016, 05:28 AM
Today while I was in the shed I thought i'd make a start..so I removed the remains of the the neck block from the male dovetail with a 1/4" chisel plus hot water and a small scraper..then I made a female neck block to fit it, I did this the hard way with a razor saw, drill bit, and a chisel, and using some blue chalk to i/d the high spots..It took about 45 minutes to get a good fit and I was very pleased with the outcome (my apprenticeship is nearly over)...Also I made a routing template out of some scrap plywood ready for when the materials for the mold arrives...More pic's...

Looks great Ken!

I wish I had the patience and skill that you do. :)

Timbuck
06-30-2016, 05:40 AM
Kudos to you for helping to rescue that family heirloom for that old guy.
Mahalo! He maybe an old guy to you Boolie boy...But to me he's just a young-un:old:

Booli
06-30-2016, 06:02 AM
He maybe an old guy to you Boolie boy...But to me he's just a young-un:old:

Maybe I should have chosen different words, I meant it more as an endearment, rather than an age indicator, i.e. "that poor 'ole guy"

But thanks. Feeling pretty ripe at 47 yrs old now, seems like everything is relative.

I wish no disrespect to my Elders. :)

Patrick Madsen
06-30-2016, 06:38 AM
I'll take one of your concerts when they come out Tim. Do you have a list to get on?

Shoot Booli, I have shoes older than 47 years; ... in fact I'm wearing a pair now older than that. Good old Converse tennis shoes of old.

cml
06-30-2016, 07:48 AM
If a pair of shoes lasts for 2 years, then I'm happy with them. I cant imagine how a pair of shoes would look if worn for 47 years+... ;)
Then again, I rarely change shoes unless there's a special occasion and use the same pair everyday.

Well, that was off topic!
Very exciting to see you make concerts Ken, I know they will be top notch :)!

Timbuck
06-30-2016, 09:31 AM
My youngest lad Mike is 47 :)

cml
06-30-2016, 10:00 AM
At 28 I reckon I'm of the younger generation of UU:ers, we seem to have an older demographic here. Well, suits me fine, people have been telling me I'm an old man for 10 years ;).

Ukador
06-30-2016, 11:04 AM
I'll take one of your concerts when they come out Tim. Do you have a list to get on?

That's the golden question ;)

lauburu
06-30-2016, 11:15 AM
Seems Ken has rediscovered his stash of motivation. Looks like it's the lack of challenge that's the problem Ken, not a lack of motivation.
Restoration of antique ukuleles? There would be enough work for several lifetimes but I suspect you'd never get rich.
Miguel

sequoia
06-30-2016, 05:57 PM
This should be an interesting thread... Matching the finish on the neck to the new body could be a challenge. Real old patina might be tough to match, but I'm sure Mrs. Timbuck is up to the challenge. Keep us posted on progress.

Vespa Bob
06-30-2016, 06:23 PM
Ken,from some of your photos, the fretboard looks like it had been varnished, or some kind of lacquer applied. Is this so and if it is, was it done originally, or sometime later? I'm curious because I've been led to believe that one doesn't normally apply a finish to the fretboard, other than some lemon oil or similar protectant.

Bob

Timbuck
06-30-2016, 09:53 PM
Ken,from some of your photos, the fretboard looks like it had been varnished, or some kind of lacquer applied. Is this so and if it is, was it done originally, or sometime later? I'm curious because I've been led to believe that one doesn't normally apply a finish to the fretboard, other than some lemon oil or similar protectant.

Bob the finish is only on the edges as far as I can see.

Stevelele
07-01-2016, 01:48 AM
Will you ever make another tenor? I missed out when you made one many years ago and have hoped you would make another


the finish is only on the edges as far as I can see.

Timbuck
07-01-2016, 03:38 AM
Will you ever make another tenor? I missed out when you made one many years ago and have hoped you would make another
I have a part completed Tenor still in the Mold, it needs a back fitting ..I forgotten all about it till you just jogged my memory:old:

Stevelele
07-01-2016, 04:22 AM
Great! I would love to have a shot at it!!!


I have a part completed Tenor still in the Mold, it needs a back fitting ..I forgotten all about it till you just jogged my memory:old:

Pete Howlett
07-01-2016, 11:11 AM
Interesting project. I personally think the Martin concert shape is quite ugly and it's why I chose a Ditson style for my concerts. Need wood ken? I have some cuban... Side bar - after a long time having no commissions for concerts I have recently added 5 to the list $:)

Timbuck
07-06-2016, 04:12 AM
A 2' X 4' sheet of birch ply arrived today and I started marking it out for making the mold/ solera.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7855/40640218083_5da287335b_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24VeJXe)PICT0015_zpsvwdgvgvd (https://flic.kr/p/24VeJXe) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Timbuck
07-06-2016, 11:18 PM
Now cut into 4 parts...I'll try and record how I make this in case some other mad fool wants to make one.;)
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Timbuck
07-07-2016, 12:31 AM
Clamped three 18mm boards all together, lined up template then drilled (on pedestal drill) and dowelled one side , flipped over template lined it up again,then drilled and dowelled other side...This is an important stage :rulez:

https://live.staticflickr.com/7846/32664196247_ee1e5622ea_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RLqxxn)PICT0025_zpssbbxyvyb (https://flic.kr/p/RLqxxn) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

mainger
07-07-2016, 02:22 AM
A 2' X 4' sheet of birch ply arrived today and I started marking it out for making the mold/ solara.


OK, it's now the second time in as many days that I read this word (solara/solera), and I have idea what it means. Google doesn't seem to know either, at least not in the context of woodworking... Can someone explain?

greenscoe
07-07-2016, 04:11 AM
A solera is sort of a base on which an instrument is built. It can take different forms but generally has the shape of the body plus neck. Usually the instrument is made with the soundboard placed on the solera (which may be dished) and is used for the Spanish heel method. This method ensures correct neck alignment.

Go to Youtube and enter "Classical guitar solera' and you'll find info on making and using one.

Stevelele
07-07-2016, 07:16 AM
Just wondering--any idea when this might be for sale--i wouldn't want to miss it!


I have a part completed Tenor still in the Mold, it needs a back fitting ..I forgotten all about it till you just jogged my memory:old:

Timbuck
07-07-2016, 09:09 AM
Bandsawing out the centres close to the line.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7898/32664201887_c9fce0e4cc_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RLqzdB)PICT0031_zpstzfhxg3q (https://flic.kr/p/RLqzdB) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
All three done, now to the Router and laminate trimmer and template.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7906/47553625692_1ba8fb4ec7_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fs9Lb9)PICT0035_zpsmcxjg085 (https://flic.kr/p/2fs9Lb9) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
Routing to the template.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7832/40640247323_b5e9d832b6_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24VeTDn)PICT0038_zps1krvuzmu (https://flic.kr/p/24VeTDn) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
Once top plate is formed I now use it as a template for the other two.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7895/32664221487_3fd44fd99c_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RLqF3x)PICT0041_zpsadabblis (https://flic.kr/p/RLqF3x) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Timbuck
07-07-2016, 09:17 AM
https://live.staticflickr.com/7804/47553638222_8f1dca930b_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fs9PUb)PICT0050_zpsbngpbfvs (https://flic.kr/p/2fs9PUb) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
The centre board now has 1 inch sawn off the neck end (all comes clear later)
https://live.staticflickr.com/7866/40640260873_752c7a1774_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24VeXEZ)PICT0062_zpsca3vnupc (https://flic.kr/p/24VeXEZ) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
Now reassembled and being glued up.
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Next a bit of trimming and a removable insert made and fitted to accomodate fitting the neck at a later.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7869/33729431908_7dc2024bb5_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Toy9Zs)PICT0069_zps5q07b4e3 (https://flic.kr/p/Toy9Zs) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

mainger
07-07-2016, 10:52 AM
OK, it's now the second time in as many days that I read this word (solara/solera), and I have idea what it means. Google doesn't seem to know either, at least not in the context of woodworking... Can someone explain?

Great! Thank you very much! :D

Ukador
07-07-2016, 09:18 PM
Do you already know what wood combination you will use? Will those become mahogany Ukes or Koa or redwood or birch or .... ? :)

Timbuck
07-07-2016, 09:35 PM
Do you already know what wood combination you will use? Will those become mahogany Ukes or Koa or redwood or birch or .... ? :)

Mahogany..and occasional Koa :)

Timbuck
07-08-2016, 04:22 AM
Having finished a job for Pete this morning, I can now get back to this concert job.
I started off by marking out for some drilling for the clampling hole screwed inserts ..The ones with chalk rings are to be drilled through so the base board can be bolted on..The others only go part way through.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7839/40640508993_9a9554172b_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24VgeqV)PICT0003_zpsekg773eq (https://flic.kr/p/24VgeqV) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
Next I line up the mold to the centre line of the base board..and draw the outline.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7829/40640513063_f7b32eefcc_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24VgfD6)PICT0009_zpsi3nz6lof (https://flic.kr/p/24VgfD6) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
Then I mark out the positions of the base board locating pins/dowell's
https://live.staticflickr.com/7887/46691259285_7d7d5d4eff_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2e8WUFP)PICT0014_zpsat4sty0y (https://flic.kr/p/2e8WUFP) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Timbuck
07-08-2016, 08:29 AM
All the drilling done....locating pins(dowels) fitted ready for a trial fit
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Now you can see what the centre board 1" cutaway was for ;)
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Timbuck
07-09-2016, 02:50 AM
Fitting inserts.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7887/46691270165_227a0cbc30_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2e8WXVp)PICT0014_zpsap0zqyex (https://flic.kr/p/2e8WXVp) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
All fitted
https://live.staticflickr.com/7825/46882852584_390a5dbe98_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2eqSSGy)PICT0021_zpscffov1np (https://flic.kr/p/2eqSSGy) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
Trial fit of baseboard with screws and washers.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7817/46691277425_63d0ffcc24_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2e8X15z)PICT0025_zpsxpwimllh (https://flic.kr/p/2e8X15z) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Timbuck
07-09-2016, 03:19 AM
Sawing into two parts.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7913/46691281965_ca809e83cb_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2e8X2qR)PICT0034_zpsglsxsqto (https://flic.kr/p/2e8X2qR) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
Fitting the hinge.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7887/40640550713_6e0fa20e79_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24VgrQe)PICT0042_zps5jy2m1ix (https://flic.kr/p/24VgrQe) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
A pic showing all three parts
https://live.staticflickr.com/7860/40640554853_9a509868e0_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24Vgt4B)PICT0049_zps3xgupi3z (https://flic.kr/p/24Vgt4B) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
And pic of the neck and jig for no reason that I can think of...But it looks nice.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7884/47607079621_8a9e128b3d_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fwSJaB)PICT0055_zpswu5blpwt (https://flic.kr/p/2fwSJaB) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

mainger
07-09-2016, 04:17 AM
This is very useful, thank you for posting the process photos.

Kevs-the-name
07-09-2016, 05:33 AM
What a fantastic ‘walk through’
I enjoyed the process!

How about making the ‘bending profile’ for this shape?
I have a few molds, but want to produce the matching bending forms for them. any advice please?

greenscoe
07-09-2016, 09:31 AM
Yet another amazing example of why you are such an asset to the uke making community. I have to admire your drive-long may it continue.

Timbuck
07-10-2016, 12:24 AM
To complete this project I need some clamping cauls X 23 ...I like to use the quick release type, So this is how i go about making e'm ..no need to explain it co's the pic's speak for themselves.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7844/32664584007_1dd5575586_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RLswNT)PICT0002_zpsnznukkyq (https://flic.kr/p/RLswNT) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/7868/46882892124_865270ab4a_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2eqT5sh)PICT0006_zpsdlyuhaoh (https://flic.kr/p/2eqT5sh) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/7846/46882895844_f04837f1e6_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2eqT6yq)PICT0007_zpsmc0ondvs (https://flic.kr/p/2eqT6yq) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/7894/46882898734_24f9ebffb0_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2eqT7qf)PICT0026_zpsu0pejt8m (https://flic.kr/p/2eqT7qf) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Timbuck
07-10-2016, 12:27 AM
And some more pic's

https://live.staticflickr.com/7900/46691520135_5512863bab_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2e8Yfee)PICT0012_zps4mkn5feq (https://flic.kr/p/2e8Yfee) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/7819/47607298221_0461a51981_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fwTR9z)PICT0013_zpstj9jglzy (https://flic.kr/p/2fwTR9z) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/7860/40640714463_75d19cb330_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24Vhhvv)PICT0014_zpsvvaefbew (https://flic.kr/p/24Vhhvv) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/7858/40640720873_4555c72cc3_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24Vhjq2)PICT0017_zpswfifjrft (https://flic.kr/p/24Vhjq2) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Kevs-the-name
07-10-2016, 04:00 AM
I knew i ‘needed’ a milling machine!!!

stevepetergal
07-10-2016, 04:38 AM
I will be happy to help defray the cost of this project.
I'll take two.

stevepetergal
07-10-2016, 04:43 AM
Really. Two.

Timbuck
07-10-2016, 10:16 PM
I knew i ‘needed’ a milling machine!!!
Regarding this "Milling machine",it's actually a converted old "Kerry" heavy duty drill press like this one https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/40654938933_718144f570_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24WxbWZ)kerry (https://flic.kr/p/24WxbWZ) ,
Fitted with an XY table and collet chuck..in my photo you can see a piece of material clamped on the vise/vice. This is an improvised end stop when it comes in contact with the drill pillar.;)

mainger
07-11-2016, 01:27 AM
I must be very thick, but I don't understand what this shape of clamp is supposed to achieve. Why the little brown "pedestal" part? Why not extend it for stability as shown in the modified image below?

92520

Timbuck
07-11-2016, 04:45 AM
I must be very thick, but I don't understand what this shape of clamp is supposed to achieve. Why the little brown "pedestal" part? Why not extend it for stability as shown in the modified image below?

92520
If I did that it would clamp nowt only fresh air at the thin tapered of the uke... and it would make the slot redundant....
its meant to rock on the heel see here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx6A3CEypTo they are a simple clamp I use a lot.

Kevs-the-name
07-11-2016, 05:51 AM
Regarding this "Milling machine",it's actually a converted old "Kerry" heavy duty drill press like this one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kerry-8-Speed-Super-Bench-Drilling-Machine-86-to-3350-RPM-/122020626171?hash=item1c68fefefb fitted with an XY table and collet chuck..in my photo you can see a piece of material clamped on the vise/vice. This is an improvised end stop when it comes in contact with the drill pillar.;)

Thanks Ken. I was thinking about using my drill press.
I have a reasonably heavy duty press, I think it will work!

Timbuck
07-11-2016, 06:04 AM
Kev ..All you need is a Cross Vice from eBay ...that's what I started with before a got the XY table.

Pete Howlett
07-11-2016, 10:36 AM
This method works - I've been using t for 20 years now. It is simple and effective.

miche
07-11-2016, 12:15 PM
That's such a nice mold and the clamps are such a great idea. I am hoping to add them to the next mold I make. I was panicking about gluing the sound board as at college I used over 50 cam clamps and at home I don't have any and cannot afford that many clamps. Paul sellers did an excellent video on how to make them but to make a substantial amount of cam clamps by hand would be a real struggle.
I made a simple tenor ukulele mould by hand and a while after using it noticed it wasn't an even shape. I know most people use routers to make them exact but to be honest I m a little scared of routers!
I am going to have to make another mould and this time try and sand all
Of the sides together at once so that they will hopefully make an even shape. How much of a difference does it make to the final instrument if the mould is a little off!

Sven
07-11-2016, 11:05 PM
It's entirely possible to make an instrument that's a little off, even if the mould is exactly even. Ask me how I know!

orangeena
07-11-2016, 11:41 PM
I concur. My 'wonkulele' is off center and has an 11th fret marker! But i love it

Timbuck
07-11-2016, 11:54 PM
This is true I completed one last week and I built it in the mould lined up exactly spot on..when it came time to string it up the bridge nut and sound hole was about 2mm out of line?....how it happened! don't know...seen the same thing happen on steel structures as well..inbuilt stresses and all that stuff.;)

Kevs-the-name
07-12-2016, 01:45 AM
It's entirely possible to make an instrument that's a little off, even if the mould is exactly even. Ask me how I know!

They don't 'look right' if they're symmetrical! :biglaugh:
(Well that's what I keep telling myself!!)

mainger
07-12-2016, 02:39 AM
If I did that it would clamp nowt only fresh air at the thin tapered of the uke... and it would make the slot redundant....
its meant to rock on the heel see here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx6A3CEypTo they are a simple clamp I use a lot based on this design.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/clamps_zpsgvyb4b6l.jpg (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/shiregreenbod/media/clamps_zpsgvyb4b6l.jpg.html)

https://camo.githubusercontent.com/916842e324dfef7350ecd092bd7db77331ed8ec6/687474703a2f2f7777772e72656372656174657765622e636f 6d2e61752f77702d636f6e74656e742f75706c6f6164732f32 3031342f30322f686f6d65722d636f6d70757465722d646f68 2e6a7067

Timbuck
07-13-2016, 01:37 AM
Mold/Solera completed, templates, and Magnetic back indexing beam at the ready...Next job hot bending gear.:D..thats when the Mahogany arrives

https://live.staticflickr.com/7880/32664887747_2a321edc8c_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RLu66M)PICT0003_zpslc0ial2v (https://flic.kr/p/RLu66M) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Timbuck
07-14-2016, 08:31 AM
I've decided to make another Foxy type bender in Concert size..I was thinking of converting my Tenor bender to take both sizes..but after some thought, to make a dedicated concert bender seemed to be the best idea.
I started off today on the hot mold part ..it will be made from 10mm thick aluminium side plates with 14 X 10mm dia steel heat retaining rods covered with .5mm stainless steel sheet...most likely It will still be around long after I'm gone ;) here is the start of it.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7824/32664895717_32d5aaa999_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RLu8tc)PICT0065_zps0fd2ucbn (https://flic.kr/p/RLu8tc) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Titchtheclown
07-14-2016, 03:30 PM
I've decided to make another Foxy type bender in Concert size..I was thinking of converting my Tenor bender to take both sizes..but after some thought, to make a dedicated concert bender seemed to be the best idea.
I started off today on the hot mold part ..it will be made from 10mm thick aluminium side plates with 14 X 10mm dia steel heat retaining rods covered with .5mm stainless steel sheet...most likely It will still be around long after I'm gone ;) here is the start of it.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0065_zps0fd2ucbn.jpg (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/shiregreenbod/media/PICT0065_zps0fd2ucbn.jpg.html)

No danger of being accused of taking shortcuts there. No such thing as over building in your house.

Timbuck
07-15-2016, 03:30 AM
Luckily my bandsaw has two speeds one fast for wood and plastics and a slow speed for mild steels and non ferrous metals...So with a 14TPI blade and the slow speed I can cut thro this aluminium like butter.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7893/32664900587_9138076849_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RLu9Va)PICT0067_zpsnpcs6ai5 (https://flic.kr/p/RLu9Va) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
I then clamp the plates together.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7802/32664905507_73a94039c8_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RLubnZ)PICT0071_zpsflgf4jvg (https://flic.kr/p/RLubnZ) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
Drill and tap them and screw them together as one.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7913/32664910357_673c35cfe6_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RLucPB)PICT0076_zpsjnfsllva (https://flic.kr/p/RLucPB) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
Now over to the spindle sander to grind the edges flush.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7827/47607439151_95685d6cae_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fwUz3p)PICT0079_zpsbkqarcdc (https://flic.kr/p/2fwUz3p) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Timbuck
07-15-2016, 03:32 AM
It only took about 10 minutes to grind them ..

https://live.staticflickr.com/7887/32664992597_c41a981f26_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RLuCgx)PICT0087_zpshixkta0v (https://flic.kr/p/RLuCgx) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
.Next stage is marking for drilling

orangeena
07-15-2016, 03:43 AM
Blimey. Makes my MDF versions seem a little bit stone age! This thing will survive the apocalypse.

Timbuck
07-15-2016, 04:12 AM
Blimey. Makes my MDF versions seem a little bit stone age! This thing will survive the apocalypse.
If you think mine is heavy duty, Take look at these "gas fired" benders that were used by the Harmony Guitar works in the old days.;)
https://live.staticflickr.com/7888/32664994797_f276ff5d0d_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RLuCVt)Harmony benders (https://flic.kr/p/RLuCVt) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Vespa Bob
07-15-2016, 04:25 AM
Ye god's, it looks like a steampunk sculpture of a .....something!

Bob

orangeena
07-15-2016, 04:39 AM
I have seen those before somewhere. They are amazing. Like some kind of alien artefacts

we tigers
07-15-2016, 05:11 AM
A concert size Timms... UAS is rising!

Sharpshin
07-15-2016, 06:09 AM
Fascinating thread. Checking it every day. Love the pics. I am learning so much. I have no REAL desire to build a uke, but I so admire those that do. Hate to admit that I am also hoping to be lucky enough get my mitts on one of these concerts. Very sure it will end any UAS...forever. Probably lying there, but I try.

DT

RPA_Ukuleles
07-15-2016, 07:58 AM
Wow that's gonna be a nice solid body aluminum uke!! ;)


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Timbuck
07-15-2016, 09:10 AM
Just done some nifty drilling ..The idea is to get as close to the edge as possible without actually breaking through.."I amost did it ":D
Anyway its gonna be near enough...I started drilling with a lathe centre drill, then a 5mm drill bit, 8mm, then 9mm, and finished off with a 10mm reamer.
Marking out.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7823/47607541041_b1319d3a0a_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fwV6k8)PICT0089_zpsuelldksj (https://flic.kr/p/2fwV6k8) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
Spotting with a centre drill.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7865/46691723755_f91f44e82b_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2e8ZhKV)PICT0092_zpsijbkgwyw (https://flic.kr/p/2e8ZhKV) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
Reamed out to 10mm.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7850/46883338764_58cf096469_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2eqVndY)PICT0095_zpsptlbq1of (https://flic.kr/p/2eqVndY) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Rrgramps
07-16-2016, 03:47 AM
Love your "aly" approach; especially like that you've illustrated it can be worked with woodworking tools and finer-toothed metal cutting blades on the bandsaw. Also like the method you've used to build your solarium/body mold.

Although I've been in guitars since 1963, and am aquatinted with MIMF since 2001, you and many others on UU are persuading and influencing my move from the dark side to the light side. My guitar molds are probably going to collect dust, while I transform my meager Luthery skills, tools, and jigs that will fit into ukulele-sized equipment; starting first with the forms and molds.

May the Uke Force be with you! LOL

Timbuck
07-16-2016, 04:47 AM
Love your "aly" approach; especially like that you've illustrated it can be worked with woodworking tools and finer-toothed metal cutting blades on the bandsaw. Also like the method you've used to build your solarium/body mold.

Although I've been in guitars since 1963, and am aquatinted with MIMF since 2001, you and many others on UU are persuading and influencing my move from the dark side to the light side. My guitar molds are probably going to collect dust, while I transform my meager Luthery skills, tools, and jigs that will fit into ukulele-sized equipment; starting first with the forms and molds.

May the Uke Force be with you! LOL
Great stuff! we cant get enough ukes in this world..But don't forget As Pete Howlett told me and others "Ukulele's aint small guitars" ;)

Timbuck
07-16-2016, 05:45 AM
Steel rods arrived today, so I started to fit them then I realised that I didnt have enough ..I planned on 14 rods but it turned out I ended up needing 17..so i'll have to wait a couple days to finish that bit..In the mean time I started on the waist bending caul.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7922/40641766053_d573d3040d_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24VnF7n)PICT0006_zpsl2zxc5qj (https://flic.kr/p/24VnF7n) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
The waist bending caul.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7830/40641769653_c24963ceda_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24VnGbr)PICT0011_zpse4wdfpko (https://flic.kr/p/24VnGbr) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Here is a couple of old pics from when I made a tenor side bender showing how I made the caul.
My past experience has taught me that the upper clamping caul also has to be as accurate as the bottom former..Just pushing some round shape into the waist can produce distortions..so i made a simple routing template jig and make enough pieces to build the caul.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7809/46884055194_378e7c63a4_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2eqZ3cd)PICT7309 (https://flic.kr/p/2eqZ3cd) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
When all the pieces are assembled and glued together on a steel rod it should look like this.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7880/46884062894_d26d956d54_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2eqZ5tY)PICT7312 (https://flic.kr/p/2eqZ5tY) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

PhilUSAFRet
07-16-2016, 11:14 AM
Have to wonder if you'd ever make a taropatch out of one of those concerts?

Kevs-the-name
07-16-2016, 11:47 PM
Your explanation of how to make the top caul is fantastic: so useful
This post has been a FANTASTIC source of INFORMATION.
Thank you very much Mr. Timms

mainger
07-17-2016, 12:56 AM
Holy smokes! Just how much space do you have in your workshop?! Very jealous, I am!

Keep the pics coming, it's very informative indeed.

Timbuck
07-17-2016, 09:29 AM
Holy smokes! Just how much space do you have in your workshop?! Very jealous, I am!

Keep the pics coming, it's very informative indeed. I used to have a lot of space but it's getting less and less each day.....It's time for me to hire a dumpster skip and start throwing things away, 3 years back this is what it was like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx2AeJAoFls

Rrgramps
07-17-2016, 09:42 AM
Great stuff! we cant get enough ukes in this world..But don't forget As Pete Howlett told me and others "Ukulele's aint small guitars" ;)
LOL
I'm hoping to add one more uke into this world. Although I've been a player of guitars since 1963, I've only built one in 2003; stopped cold turkey after that. So, as I am influenced by you, Pete, and the many others on this forum, it gives me the "want-to" to build one myself.

Here, you are presenting more than a body mold by eventually incorporating the neck too (I think). Along with your use of aluminum, this solarium is also a unique item that we as readers of this great, interesting, and informative thread can take into our shops. Hopefully, you will be ok with our taking your ideas and using them to improve our products, if we get to that stage. I've also watched almost all of your YouTube clips, and looked through your previous threads where you built jigs and tooling.

Just saying thank you for sharing.

Timbuck
07-18-2016, 03:03 AM
A large board of reclaimed Cuban arrived in the post today..with several ukuleles hidden inside it..all I have to do is find e'm ;)
https://live.staticflickr.com/7845/46884068894_13e576dfe3_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2eqZ7gq)PICT0041_zpsq46z7enq (https://flic.kr/p/2eqZ7gq) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
....it's far too hot today in the workshop to do any work 33 C. Outside my digital thermometer read 47 C in the sun... Very unusual in the north east of England ..but very welcome :cheers:

Timbuck
07-18-2016, 04:57 AM
It's now cooled down a bit to a mere 40 degrees C now and I can do a bit more work.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7839/40641780543_45217c7218_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24VnKqc)PICT0036_zpsuud6hfp3 (https://flic.kr/p/24VnKqc) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
Marking out some more parts.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7888/40641781993_b10a65c14a_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24VnKRc)PICT0017_zpspeovz1at (https://flic.kr/p/24VnKRc) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
Dry run to make sure everything will fit.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7906/47608403531_cdc182a52c_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fwZvHD)PICT0024_zpse4pps5sl (https://flic.kr/p/2fwZvHD) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
This is how far I am with it at the moment
https://live.staticflickr.com/7844/47608410261_f623eb1084_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fwZxHF)PICT0048_zpshesvaxsk (https://flic.kr/p/2fwZxHF) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Timbuck
07-18-2016, 08:16 AM
Now on a pedestal...Thats about all the woodwork done..Next mechanical stuff & sheet metalwork..Followed by the electrics :D
https://live.staticflickr.com/7833/47608417151_a88f0b4802_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fwZzLt)PICT0054_zpskf3dcocn (https://flic.kr/p/2fwZzLt) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

cml
07-18-2016, 08:42 AM
I'm guessing you're gonna build more than one or two concerts eh ;)?

Jim Hanks
07-18-2016, 01:39 PM
Hey Ken, did you pick a scale length for your concert yet? I'd like to suggest you do 16". All the cool kids are doing it these days. :cool:

Booli
07-18-2016, 03:05 PM
I'm guessing you're gonna build more than one or two concerts eh ;)?


Hey Ken, did you pick a scale length for your concert yet? I'd like to suggest you do 16". All the cool kids are doing it these days. :cool:

aye, +1 to both posts above...17 frets too...:rock: :)

Timbuck
07-18-2016, 07:50 PM
16"? thats a guitar ....Ive already got the neck for the first one,scale 14.750" ;)

Timbuck
07-19-2016, 02:14 AM
Just done a bit of nesting and sawing on the "Cuban Mahogany" board...Enough for a dozen ukes there... Just look at that colour...Thank you Mr Fidel Alejandro Castro Ru :bowdown:
https://live.staticflickr.com/7869/47608534131_812304b00f_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fx1bxn)PICT0071_zpskz2xkdrr (https://flic.kr/p/2fx1bxn) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Pukulele Pete
07-19-2016, 02:25 AM
Geez , Cuban Mahogany , you have peaked my interest. I can't wait to see these . Please build sopranos .

orangeena
07-19-2016, 02:45 AM
How many slices will you get out of one of those top/back pieces? I have properly set-up my band saw now to eradicate drift (as you suggested) but anything under about 4mm makes me nervous.

Timbuck
07-19-2016, 04:10 AM
How many slices will you get out of one of those top/back pieces? I have properly set-up my band saw now to eradicate drift (as you suggested) but anything under about 4mm makes me nervous.
Only 4 slices per board...this time ..I get nervous as well. It's only 20mm thick.

Ukador
07-20-2016, 04:47 AM
4 slices per board

That means 4 concerts and 8 sopranos? :drool:

Timbuck
07-20-2016, 05:53 AM
Started on the Mechanical parts....first thing the lead screw press..A quick rummage and I found some bearings I rescued from some scrap angle grinders a couple of years back, a length of threaded rod and some brass and steel nuts.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7843/33731166528_721e1cf4b4_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/ToH3CG)PICT0002_zpsbkgblvqe (https://flic.kr/p/ToH3CG) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
I turned a steel nut down in the lathe so it was only about 5mm long.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7835/32665975627_9d1b4eaf5b_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RLzEuk)PICT0007_zpstr1ryrzn (https://flic.kr/p/RLzEuk) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
Screwed the nut on the end of a 7" piece of threaded rod to hold the bearing in place.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7915/32665979707_59dbf80e10_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RLzFGF)PICT0019_zpssemus4so (https://flic.kr/p/RLzFGF) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
Then peined over the end of the rod so the nut was captive.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7868/46884204314_b19f5bcdab_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2eqZNwf)PICT0026_zpsfddnqhpb (https://flic.kr/p/2eqZNwf) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Timbuck
07-20-2016, 07:03 AM
Next back to the lathe and turn down a brass nut ..drill a suitable hole in the top cross member..and with a little drop of CA glue I press it in hard.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7863/47608623051_49533ecff5_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fx1CYt)PICT0029_zpslsp3pwg1 (https://flic.kr/p/2fx1CYt) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/7814/47555416392_f0a0244e0b_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fsiWuh)PICT0032_zpserlg3m47 (https://flic.kr/p/2fsiWuh) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
Here are the main parts of the assembly ..with a couple of washers to fit under the bearing for the screw end to make contact.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7911/47555417482_e59768e968_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fsiWP5)PICT0036_zps1gwwehve (https://flic.kr/p/2fsiWP5) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
All parts fitted together.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7846/47555418542_ea2640c5f0_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fsiX8m)PICT0038_zpsbzooly79 (https://flic.kr/p/2fsiX8m) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Timbuck
07-20-2016, 07:06 AM
Here it is so far... next I need a propper leadscrew handle..I've been using a tap wrench so far to test it.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7849/46692886865_a6256db229_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2e96fvx)PICT0042_zpsxypzepao (https://flic.kr/p/2e96fvx) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Timbuck
07-20-2016, 09:50 AM
I needed some stainless steel sheet to complete at this bender....So! I looked on eBay and found a guy who had a sheet metal shop who cut it to size...So I sent him an eBay message with the dimensions asking for a price...after two days no response?..so I decided to phone the guy direct, but all I got was an answerphone message saying I could email them..so I sent an email....still no reply after 36 hours.....so in the end I gave up on them and went back to eBay and bought a 1000 X 400 mm sheet from another seller and it looks like I'll have to cut it to size myself.

sequoia
07-20-2016, 06:40 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing what you are going to use as a heat source Ken. Halogen bulbs? Gas fired blast furnace? That thing is certainly going to hold the heat. Should be perfect. This is way over my head, but shouldn't the the waist compressor thing also be sheathed in steel so as to absorb some heat for the above compression? Or are you going to use flexible steel on top of the wood so it doesn't matter? Anyway, I salute your engineering prowess. You are the man. Look forward to seeing the Iron Maiden in action.

Timbuck
07-20-2016, 10:51 PM
Yes there will be a flexible steel sheet above and below..and the heat source will be a 500 watt halogen..run through an elictric oven regulator.:)

orangeena
07-21-2016, 03:59 AM
it needs a flux capacitor

Timbuck
07-21-2016, 08:06 AM
it needs a flux capacitor
Ive got some Flux and I've got some Capacitors...I'll see what I can do :uhoh:

Timbuck
07-21-2016, 08:19 AM
I found an old cast iron handwheel from an ancient lathe that I Guy gave me about 10 years ago and now at last I've found a use for it.
The stainless steel sheet arrived today, so I got out my "tin snips" and various sheet metal work tools and got to work, I wanted .5mm sheet but this was the thinnest they had in stock at .7mm its only 2 tenths thicker but it's harder to work with but I got there in the end...and now it looks like this.
Opened up for the camera shot.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7905/33731270908_fd935bc4c5_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/ToHzEm)PICT0012_zpseemmcagy (https://flic.kr/p/ToHzEm) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
Top sheet in place.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7844/32666109037_edd5bbf676_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RLAm9v)PICT0009_zps0a6nuwri (https://flic.kr/p/RLAm9v) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
All screwed down as when in bending mode.
https://live.staticflickr.com/7840/47608643381_9f06b11c56_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fx1K1Z)PICT0004_zpsiqb18a5b (https://flic.kr/p/2fx1K1Z) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
And finally a look at the cast iron handle
https://live.staticflickr.com/7909/47608648081_095a1f71a4_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fx1Lq2)PICT0015_zpsmbo9fzr5 (https://flic.kr/p/2fx1Lq2) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

resoman
07-21-2016, 08:52 AM
That's really a clean, nice form/fixture, well done. How did you attach the SS sheet to the form??

Timbuck
07-21-2016, 09:24 AM
That's really a clean, nice form/fixture, well done. How did you attach the SS sheet to the form??
The sheet is curled under at the ends and just hooks onto the end bars.

resoman
07-21-2016, 09:51 AM
I couldn't see any screws or connection points and it's all so smooth I was wondering how you did this. When I did one before it came out kind of wrinkled, I just ain't got the touch :(

Timbuck
07-21-2016, 11:14 AM
.7mm sheet don't wrinkle as easy as .5mm..I recon it's as big a gauge as you can go with wooden constructions.

Pete Howlett
07-21-2016, 10:25 PM
Got your 19th century Cuban jointed up and ready to ship next week Ken.

Timbuck
07-22-2016, 03:55 AM
Got your 19th century Cuban jointed up and ready to ship next week Ken.
Thanks Pete ..Looking forward ;)

Timbuck
07-22-2016, 04:01 AM
Been on the Lathe again this morning and made a few wooden knobs with threaded inserts..The only problem was I made then out of Makore and ended up sneezing and sore eyed for an hour afterwards.
Apart from a couple of springs for the waist support bar the construction is done .."Next the heat source" I went out and bought a 500 Watt halogen security light from B&Q for 5 and next I'll show how I fit it in.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/33736131198_cd2d3fd81d_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Tp9uss)PICT0022_zpshdqvhki2 (https://flic.kr/p/Tp9uss) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Ukador
07-22-2016, 04:06 AM
That thing looks a bit like one of those early roboters :D

orangeena
07-22-2016, 05:44 AM
http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo118/orangeena73/my%20ukulele%20stuff/robot_zpspasd3fkc.jpg

See what you mean!

Timbuck
07-22-2016, 10:07 AM
Here is the Security sun flood.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/40646864233_00ae4f2ee0_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24VPNC2)PICT0002_zps6tobduqu (https://flic.kr/p/24VPNC2) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
First thing take it to bits.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46697770465_8a53f6e1d5_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2e9whex)PICT0018_zps4vaz0dxv (https://flic.kr/p/2e9whex) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46889204984_8fdb3eb1eb_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2errr3G)PICT0008_zpsjymotg8k (https://flic.kr/p/2errr3G) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Then saw the lugs off to fit in the bender.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/32670891517_406bdd51a7_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RM1RP4)PICT0024_zpsvkhmmlgc (https://flic.kr/p/RM1RP4) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Timbuck
07-22-2016, 10:24 AM
Next extend the wiring.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/40646873223_ce95e7a117_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24VPRi2)PICT0031_zpsjfu8epcr (https://flic.kr/p/24VPRi2) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
Replace reflector and fit bulb and install with a couple of screws through the base..*Note* glass and frame not required.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/40646880893_979fe04a72_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24VPTzg)PICT0047_zpsbv9kbyl0 (https://flic.kr/p/24VPTzg) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
Wire it up using original connector box now fitted on the outside of bender.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/33736151468_d4226286a9_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Tp9AtW)PICT0032_zpsdm9ryjlo (https://flic.kr/p/Tp9AtW) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
A quick test to make sure it works.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/33736156228_55fea2cf38_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Tp9BU1)PICT0035_zps7xy7puu4 (https://flic.kr/p/Tp9BU1) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Timbuck
07-22-2016, 10:24 AM
All re-assembled and on test..I drilled a hole in the end of one of the rods for the thermometer...Tomorrow i'll have a go at bending some sides with it.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/33736160868_7560029ffc_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Tp9Dh1)PICT0038_zpsfonee128 (https://flic.kr/p/Tp9Dh1) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Timbuck
07-23-2016, 12:37 AM
Bent the first pair of sides in it this morning ..I did a lot of faffing about with it being the first attempt with this set up..But it didn't turn out too bad, a little spring back but thats normal with Mahogany and no creasing or cracks:) .... may be I'll try wrapping the sides in foil the next time co's there is quite a bit of water staining on the bender.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47613532591_036c9986d4_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fxrNpH)PICT0001_zpsovexgtwl (https://flic.kr/p/2fxrNpH) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
I trimmed them down to size to fit the mold and im very happy with the fit considering there is no spreader clamps and I did not have to do any adjusting on the iron by hand.:D
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46697978795_1829df42b2_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2e9xmar)PICT0011_zpstvarxvuz (https://flic.kr/p/2e9xmar) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Vespa Bob
07-23-2016, 03:48 AM
:rock: Well done! Thanks for the tutorial, I'm sure it will help a lot of aspiring luthiers.

Bob

Timbuck
07-23-2016, 04:03 AM
:rock: Well done! Thanks for the tutorial, I'm sure it will help a lot of aspiring luthiers.

Bob Thanks Bob ...that first set was a little over cooked so I had another go this time with foil wrap..and it worked fine so this second set will be the ones I'm using on the project..ill most likely be giving the first set away;)

Bob Orr
07-23-2016, 07:14 AM
Hi Ken do you think I could use one of those with a cut down housing to heat a steel pipe bender? I am using a hot air gun at the moment but the blow back keeps melting the plastic casing of the hot air gun!

I made one of those band saw jigs for cutting the slots in linings that you showed a while back (the manual version!) and it works a treat so thank you very much for sharing.

Cheers, Bob

Timbuck
07-24-2016, 04:23 AM
I find this hard to believe ...almost 5000 views on this thread and no one has asked what my "magnetic indexing beam" is all about;)
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Meanwhile I'm experimenting with the WBW rosette...Rosette "B" is welded together with acetone and butt joined.
While Rosette "A" is fitted dry into the channel with staggered joints then thin CA glue wicked in.

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https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47622557261_856f6f1354_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fyf48t)PICT0045_zpsmbwpexqh (https://flic.kr/p/2fyf48t) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Andyk
07-24-2016, 04:54 AM
Hey Ken... What's that magnetic indexing beam all about?
☺️

Andyk
07-26-2016, 04:31 AM
sample A looks better to my eyes.
Any reason for not using the same method you have used in the past for your soprano rosettes?
I'm enjoying this thread ... mainly because what you achieve in a few hours would have me scratching my head (and banging my head against the desk) for days/month/etc.

Timbuck
07-26-2016, 04:44 AM
sample A looks better to my eyes.
Any reason for not using the same method you have used in the past for your soprano rosettes?
I'm enjoying this thread ... mainly because what you achieve in a few hours would have me scratching my head (and banging my head against the desk) for days/month/etc. I'll get round to the tube method later when I've got more time to spare...and would you believe that the difference in length between the inner and outer white rings is almost 1/2 inch and the rosette is only .075 inch wide.

Timbuck
07-27-2016, 07:15 AM
Here is a simple device I made for trimming the WBW strips to size.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/32677978477_47aff21dcf_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RMDbw2)PICT0047_zpszrwcfyyw (https://flic.kr/p/RMDbw2) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46897177674_bd6049632e_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2es9i3S)PICT0063_zpsuhznqoec (https://flic.kr/p/2es9i3S) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/40655022043_54271ee117_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24WxBDV)PICT0064_zpspdu0s9st (https://flic.kr/p/24WxBDV) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47568667422_74cff8ced5_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fttRyj)PICT0070_zpswwpgmjzp (https://flic.kr/p/2fttRyj) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

lauburu
07-27-2016, 11:56 AM
Ken, you're amazing. Thanks for sharing. When does the book come out?
Miguel

Timbuck
07-27-2016, 08:31 PM
Ken, you're amazing. Thanks for sharing. When does the book come out?
Miguel
I got this idea from watching a video of the factory making Sonar drum shells they cut all the veneers this way too... but on a bigger scale.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47621578151_cec347d38f_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fya35g)PICT0082_zps21xs0d61 (https://flic.kr/p/2fya35g) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Timbuck
07-29-2016, 04:51 AM
Here it is ..(Drum roll ..Tish) The Magnetic Indexing Beam.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46890066234_e37af7f301_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ervR4Q)PICT0012_zpsqckbc68i (https://flic.kr/p/2ervR4Q) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
The Concert back and template.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/32671826067_ae6652228e_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RM6DBZ)PICT0002_zps9j6jrige (https://flic.kr/p/RM6DBZ) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
Two 3mm holes to be drilled in back piece to locate on the beam.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47614291761_9c3b0efd28_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fxvG5R)PICT0004_zps8mw3ijaw (https://flic.kr/p/2fxvG5R) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
Template and back mounted on beam and held in place by the two magnets...one embedded in the beam and one loose.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46698814715_2d457610db_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2e9BCDR)PICT0022_zpsqdfoa2to (https://flic.kr/p/2e9BCDR) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Timbuck
07-29-2016, 05:10 AM
Now I mark out the positions of the two cross braces.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/40647930793_aff2c13837_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24VVgEZ)PICT0030_zpsdsyjbcid (https://flic.kr/p/24VVgEZ) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
Then I use the template and beam to mark the same positions on the uke body.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/32671929177_c804a2ed26_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RM7bgK)PICT0045_zpsge4kwfdo (https://flic.kr/p/RM7bgK) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
Marking out positions for brace end notches.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/33737159448_af2d1f8d35_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/TpeL7U)PICT0050_zpswyhqhijv (https://flic.kr/p/TpeL7U) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
The braces are now glued to the template markings..Then the back C/W bracings is mounted on the beam...Held in place with the magnets.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/40647938393_6b229b2b0d_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24VViW2)PICT0061_zpsmvgt4gie (https://flic.kr/p/24VViW2) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Timbuck
07-29-2016, 05:15 AM
Then transfered to the mold for glueing to the body and lines up perfectly to the brace notches.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/33737264748_206510aa6a_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Tpfiqq)PICT0066_zpsernzx0z5 (https://flic.kr/p/Tpfiqq) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
Beam is then removed and the rest of clamps added...The magnet falls into the uke to be retrieved later. ;)
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46890264684_5cb2d30d17_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2erwS4o)PICT0072_zpsxitlphoz (https://flic.kr/p/2erwS4o) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Andyk
07-29-2016, 05:19 AM
If I had a hat I'd take it off to you Ken. Very clever.

Timbuck
07-29-2016, 06:36 AM
If I had a hat I'd take it off to you Ken. Very clever.
Any more comments like that and I wont be able to get my hat on:o

Here is where i'm up to at the moment on this project ...every thing lines up spot on so far..but there is a long way to go yet.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/33737275198_f3b8287790_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/TpfmwA)PICT0077_zpsol8p8xng (https://flic.kr/p/TpfmwA) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Pete Howlett
07-29-2016, 06:36 AM
Wood on its way :)

Timbuck
07-30-2016, 03:50 AM
Thats the binding done ..I found a small piece of the binding that was under the fretboard extension of the original neck when I cleaned up the dovetail..so I got the dimensions from it to make some new bindings...I'm now handing it over to the finishing department
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47614512711_8f477fcdda_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fxwPLk)PICT0004_zpsoiujemvy (https://flic.kr/p/2fxwPLk) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Rrgramps
07-30-2016, 03:23 PM
What a lot of amazing ideas! Ken, you've just given us a huge tutorial. Thanks.

sequoia
07-30-2016, 05:01 PM
...I'm now handing it over to the finishing department

By this I assume you mean a professional finishing factory staffed by a crew of serious people working in spacesuits and respirators? Who ever does your finishing is a real artist. As everyone knows, finishing is the "Achilles heal" of instrument making. I think she needs a pay raise.

Timbuck
07-30-2016, 08:28 PM
I've just had an idea :D if I can cut this jig in half and join it with an adjustable slotted plate (or something like that) so I can vary the length ??? It will cover any other diameter rosettes, providing I use the same thickness strips ..maybe I can make a 5 or 6 strip version...I just did some early morning calculations and it works.:cool:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/32677978477_47aff21dcf_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RMDbw2)PICT0047_zpszrwcfyyw (https://flic.kr/p/RMDbw2) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Titchtheclown
07-30-2016, 11:06 PM
I hope you rewarded yourself with a nice piece of pi.

cml
07-31-2016, 12:02 AM
:biglaugh:
I hope you rewarded yourself with a nice piece of pi.

Timbuck
07-31-2016, 12:04 AM
I hope you rewarded yourself with a nice piece of pi.
Yes Titch ! the old 3.142 has been punched into the calculator a few times this morning...I could have used 3.14159 26535 89793 but the calculator wasnt big enough ;) also there is another angle at the butt joint (making it a compound angle) to take into account...but I didn't want to go that far :confused:..but I've worked it out anyway it's about 17.40' on a 2.5" circ. ;) and gets lesser for greater diameters.

Timbuck
07-31-2016, 02:57 AM
By this I assume you mean a professional finishing factory staffed by a crew of serious people working in spacesuits and respirators? Who ever does your finishing is a real artist. As everyone knows, finishing is the "Achilles heal" of instrument making. I think she needs a pay raise.
OK someone has got to tell you..;) you dont spell "heel" with an "A" in it thats for when you cut yourself and it's starting to got better "heal".:rulez:

Timbuck
07-31-2016, 08:52 AM
Petes wood arrived yesterday and very nice it is too..I'll be using it shortly on my next Concert..The bonus was it came with some nice cardboard sheets for protection and I used one to take down the dimensions of this concert neck so I can copy it ..I got all the measurments OK except for the neck profile.
https://live.staticflickr.com/4413/36504989144_22f5c3f928_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/XBPBsy)concert neck (https://flic.kr/p/XBPBsy) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
As I don't own a needle profile comb gauge i did it another way...All you need is some multicore solder (the type you use to wire up a geetar) some 2mm plastic or aluminium sheet, a can of spray paint, and this is what you do.
EQUIPMENT
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Wrap a piece of solder around neck at thin end.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47567711182_050b0f26ee_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ftoXiq)PICT0011_zpshghijc1c (https://flic.kr/p/2ftoXiq) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
Then the thick end.
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Timbuck
07-31-2016, 09:08 AM
Now i lift off the solder carefully and place on the plastic sheet.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47567753142_ddb0fd22d0_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ftpaLS)PICT0015_zpsdxxix7xf (https://flic.kr/p/2ftpaLS) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
Then give it a light spray from above with the spray can.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46896395294_bf96199d3f_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2es5hty)PICT0019_zps5jldqqv4 (https://flic.kr/p/2es5hty) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
When the paint has dryed I lift off the solder pieces revealing the profile.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46896397464_914e5f2bba_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2es5i7Y)PICT0020_zpsrak23laz (https://flic.kr/p/2es5i7Y) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
After a spell on the bandsaw, spindle sander, and scraping off the paint i've got a pair of nice gauges.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/40654161493_d52c48b778_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24WtcQR)PICT0032_zpspgdrc55c (https://flic.kr/p/24WtcQR) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Timbuck
08-01-2016, 12:01 AM
While Mrs Timbuck is out on the front mowing the lawn, I sneaked in with the camera and took a progress shot...The colour match is spot on:D
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46705237655_73f797600b_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2eabxYc)PICT0034_zpsjgbwjykx (https://flic.kr/p/2eabxYc) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Rrgramps
08-01-2016, 02:11 AM
Every morning that I check UU for new stuff, Ken is right up there with the newest! Ken has Concepts that are plausible and practical, with form fit and function.

Although he is not the originator of the first Fox rib (side) bender, he has embellished it with his own concept of how it should be built. Looking here first before building a new one for your shop is highly recommended. Also, go back into the archives and see what he has done. It's an encyclopedic journey of luthier concepts. I'm still not done with veiwing the multitude of YouTube videos from Ken. Wow!

Those clamps built into the solero look to eliminate or minimize the separate tub of spool clamps. Although we have t-nuts, they aren't as useful as the euro ones that Ken is using. Hmm; do we have a local big box store who carries those? The thru-bolt at the neck end seems more practical than suitcase/trunk latches, if a neck is being built into the solero mold, (for alignment purposes?). You might want to look here for ideas before you build a samo/samo version.

Stay tuned; he keeps coming up with more. :-)

Thank you Ken for the learning experience and tutorials.

Rrgramps
08-01-2016, 02:17 AM
The Magnetic Indexing Beam. The back template with rib locator. The rosette method.
Amazing and refreshing ideas!

Timbuck
08-01-2016, 05:13 AM
Although we have t-nuts, they aren't as useful as the euro ones that Ken is using. Hmm; do we have a local big box store who carries those?



They've got e'm in Pennsylvania (wherever that is) ;)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/E-Z-LOK-1-4-20-25-Pk-Flanged-Die-Cast-Zinc-Hex-Drive-Threaded-Insert-for-Wood-/322210733037?hash=item4b05419bed:g:Xj0AAOSwGYVW-ujY

Rrgramps
08-01-2016, 06:02 AM
They've got e'm in Pennsylvania (wherever that is) ;)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/E-Z-LOK-1-4-20-25-Pk-Flanged-Die-Cast-Zinc-Hex-Drive-Threaded-Insert-for-Wood-/322210733037?hash=item4b05419bed:g:Xj0AAOSwGYVW-ujY
Gotcha. My old eyes, didn't catch or see that, and even I had cataract surgery less than five years ago. Sometimes, my missus sends me to find something from the kitchen, tells me where, and I can never find it. She claims I have selective hearing, but I'm trying to convince her that I don't also have selective eyesight. :-)

We do have threaded inserts in the big-box stores, and I've even used them. Thought I'd post a picture, but I can't find them. ;), ;), ;)

Great thread, and much useful knowledge you've dispensed here.

cml
08-01-2016, 06:17 AM
She claims I have selective hearing...

I think that's a sentiment a lot of wifes out there share...at least mine does.

printer2
08-01-2016, 08:56 AM
Now i lift off the solder carefully and place on the plastic sheet.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0015_zpsdxxix7xf.jpg (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/shiregreenbod/media/PICT0015_zpsdxxix7xf.jpg.html)
Then give it a light spray from above with the spray can.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0019_zps5jldqqv4.jpg (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/shiregreenbod/media/PICT0019_zps5jldqqv4.jpg.html)
When the paint has dryed I lift off the solder pieces revealing the profile.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0020_zpsrak23laz.jpg (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/shiregreenbod/media/PICT0020_zpsrak23laz.jpg.html)
After a spell on the bandsaw, spindle sander, and scraping off the paint i've got a pair of nice gauges.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0032_zpspgdrc55c.jpg (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/shiregreenbod/media/PICT0032_zpspgdrc55c.jpg.html)

Saw the pictures and said, 'Aw for **** sakes.' How simple and accurate can you be? Now I got to go get a roll of wire and run off to a guitar store. Will have to put some masking tape on the ends otherwise they will all get mixed up. Wonder how many guitars I can go through before I get thrown out?

Bob Orr
08-02-2016, 05:28 AM
Saw the pictures and said, 'Aw for **** sakes.' How simple and accurate can you be? Now I got to go get a roll of wire and run off to a guitar store. Will have to put some masking tape on the ends otherwise they will all get mixed up. Wonder how many guitars I can go through before I get thrown out?

Just set up a spray booth so the overspray doesn't go all over their carpet and you should be ok!!!!

Cheers, Bob

BearMakingNoises
08-04-2016, 12:45 AM
Ken you really should write an ukulele builder's guide. I have the feeling a lot of people would buy it.

Rrgramps
08-04-2016, 01:08 AM
Ken you really should write an ukulele builder's guide. I have the feeling a lot of people would buy it.

Ditto on that one. :iwant:

I'm going back up to where Ken shows his magnetic indexing beam and clear template. Even for new construction; would that not eliminate those fumbling moments when putting on the plate(s) and trying to locate (index) the place to notch out the sides/kerfing?

Pete Howlett
08-04-2016, 07:54 AM
What I think many people fail to see in Ken's work is the complete mastery he has over the process and his tooling. He makes many jigs from salvaged materials and works them with precision. Like all master craftsmen, he makes the complicated appear facile! Don't be fooled - trying to replicate what this genius does is very difficult...

Rrgramps
08-04-2016, 04:58 PM
What I think many people fail to see in Ken's work is the complete mastery he has over the process and his tooling. He makes many jigs from salvaged materials and works them with precision. Like all master craftsmen, he makes the complicated appear facile! Don't be fooled - trying to replicate what this genius does is very difficult...
And fast! Way too fast for my almost 70 year old mind to follow. :D

I've run back into the archives of UU, just to see what he's done, and it truly is remarkable. But if we try to replicate some of what he's done, and fail, then we've learned. If we don't try, and do nothing, then we don't learn anything pertaining to the craft.

While the jigs, tooling, not to mention the multitude of products he has made do look effortless, I don't think anyone here would think that is really the case. When wood comes in one door, and a few days later it becomes stacks of bodies, then complete ukuleles, that's amazing.

So no, I don't fail to see the mastery Ken has, and I've said it before in my short time on this forum.

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Addendum...
...and the same for you, Pete. You have earned your wings, and established a seat of honor in Ukulele Lutherie.

Timbuck
08-05-2016, 07:40 AM
Hide Glue pot in action...Neck glued to body ..Now it's time to start making a bridge for it.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46896491234_f45c2dac2d_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2es5LZG)PICT0005_zps64isiey9 (https://flic.kr/p/2es5LZG) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

Timbuck
08-08-2016, 12:56 AM
Project over... Restoration complete Here is a sound sample https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7V1gu-K-VM


https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46705271755_89cc7745a4_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2eabJ78)PICT0031_zps96oz2geu (https://flic.kr/p/2eabJ78) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46705273515_35f3e89676_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2eabJCt)PICT0017_zpsgesyzzk4 (https://flic.kr/p/2eabJCt) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/33743441378_6479e87b5c_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/TpMXw3)PICT0023_zpsukjkvnuq (https://flic.kr/p/TpMXw3) by Ken Timms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150702140@N02/), on Flickr

greenscoe
08-08-2016, 02:16 AM
Congratulations on completing this Martin/Timms concert which looks and sounds great.

I'm sure the owner of the neck will be pleased with the finished uke. I know there will be many queuing (waiting in line) for a Timms concert. I don't think you will be sitting with your feet up in the foreseeable future.

stevepetergal
08-09-2016, 10:54 AM
I see the headstock still has the Martin decal. Just curious. Does it have the stamp on the back as well?

stevepetergal
08-09-2016, 10:58 AM
I still want to buy a couple of these, once you've built them.

gerardg
08-12-2016, 08:15 PM
Still an eye here ...
Very good job, Ken.
And so genious tips from you !
Thank's for sharing.
Gerard.

Steve in Kent
08-18-2016, 06:54 AM
That is looking absolutely superb.

Is there a possibility of a thread called "I'm going to make some tenor size Ukes"?

Choirguy
08-18-2016, 08:32 AM
This is a wonderful thread and it is so lovely that you were willing to take on the project to build a body for that family's request. It is clear that you'll continue to make more instruments like this, so the effort wasn't a one time deal...but still, it is amazing what you had to do to make that first instrument!

I wonder if Martin would have been willing to take the neck and build a new body around it?

Timbuck
08-18-2016, 10:28 PM
Anyway ..This story has now come to a happy ending..I got my measurements from the concert uke so I could make some jigs and templates to produce a few more like it, and I also had some pleasure out of the build and sharing it on the forum... And this nice Guy called Joe in CA has got his Mothers uke all back in one piece and playing again. And this is the "Thank you Email" he sent me.

Dear Ken and Mrs. Timms,

My wife and I had the official opening of the well packed Concert ukulele box a few minutes ago. The Timms/
Martin is magnificent. Every detail is perfect. Mrs. Timms French polish could not be more perfect. The color matches the neck exactly, and I could have never expected that at all. Thank you as well for repairing the few chips in the neck finish and restoring the tuners. The long scratch near the Martin logo was ugly and now it is gone! The neck graft to your superior ukulele body is perfect. No one would ever know that the two elements were not originally built as one instrument.

We are extremely pleased and grateful that you decided to take on this strange project. We know that you would generally never custom build an instrument on request and that you do not take orders from folks for ukuleles. I sincerely hope that you were able to gain some unique information from that neck and that it helps you in your craft. I learned so much from your project build on UU as well as your other videos. I hope to continue to be one of your fans and see more of your future projects on U.U.

Your craftsmanship on the body is incredible. There is no other concert ukulele like this one anywhere. It is probably one of my most prized possessions and I hope that it will become an heirloom in our family. It will get a nice case tomorrow morning.

My one complaint is that it does not sound as "accomplished" when I play it as when you were playing it in the sound sample! This is most likely because I am not yet a pro ukulele player like yourself. I pretty much have the "elusive C" chord mastered though! Seriously, that wider neck makes fingering the difficult chords a joy. On my mom's little soprano Kamaka there is created a finger jamb during most every attempt into an "E" chord.

Thank you both again for your kindness and willingness to share your craft and create this instrument.

sequoia
08-19-2016, 05:34 PM
Well that was a pretty good endorsement... A heroic project for sure.

PereBourik
08-19-2016, 05:49 PM
Gotcha. My old eyes, didn't catch or see that, and even I had cataract surgery less than five years ago. Sometimes, my missus sends me to find something from the kitchen, tells me where, and I can never find it. She claims I have selective hearing, but I'm trying to convince her that I don't also have selective eyesight. :-)

We do have threaded inserts in the big-box stores, and I've even used them. Thought I'd post a picture, but I can't find them. ;), ;), ;)

Great thread, and much useful knowledge you've dispensed here.

Another Male Refrigerator Blindness sufferer.

Timbuck
04-15-2019, 11:42 PM
I have also updated this old thread and replaced all the Photobucket (spit) pic's

ukantor
04-16-2019, 01:28 AM
I missed this thread the first time round, Ken. Another fascinating read. Bloody great result!

John Colter

kkimura
04-16-2019, 01:59 AM
Thank you for re-posting the great pictures!

I have to admit a little disappointment because I thought you were announcing a new run of concert ukuleles. (hint, hint)

steveholt
04-16-2019, 02:15 AM
I was the same lol.

Now.... If there was a low key limited thread run... Hmmmm

Timbuck
04-16-2019, 02:32 AM
I decided that making lots of different style uke's was too much for me co's i'm a lazy retired old git.. and I decided to stick to what I know best, and just build a few sopranos when I felt like it.

So I passed on all the Concert size jigs molds and bender to another Luthier to find a new home for them..and I don't know where they are now.

steveholt
04-16-2019, 05:33 AM
I understand that completely, even if it shatters a tuesday afternoon flight of fancy :)

Thanks for the reply and explanation.

Ukecaster
04-16-2019, 06:34 AM
So, a Ken Timms concert uke would be a rare bird indeed! How many are out there? Does anyone else here on UU have one?

Timbuck
04-16-2019, 08:09 AM
So, a Ken Timms concert uke would be a rare bird indeed! How many are out there? Does anyone else here on UU have one?
As far as I know there is only one..and that went to a Guy in Germany.

SpaceForRent
04-16-2019, 03:51 PM
So I passed on all the Concert size jigs molds and bender to another Luthier to find a new home for them..and I don't know where they are now.

This is good to hear. When I read, back on page 8(?) that you were going to clean out your workshop and “throw a bunch of stuff out” I nearly fell out of my chair. I assure you that your junk would certainly be a new builder/luthier’s treasure.