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mrStones
08-28-2016, 10:16 PM
I made some search and I found just some people that suggested it in some other discussion, but nothing specific.

Ok, some months ago I read a book on the tuning A to 432Hz and not 440Hz and got curious.

Leaving all the mumbo-jumbo aside (like "440 is the Nazi tuning made to enhance rage in people" and all inaccurate historical arguments), I personally found a lot of change when I tried A=432 Hz (with much surprise of a skeptic mind like mine).
I can't really describe with words the difference. The sound was like "all-around" me and was "more alive". I had some goosebump... but not in a bad way, was like "wow". I know I sound little weird.

On the "con" side, I found personally singing is little harder and play-along a pain (changing the pitch tuning of an mp3 with audacity is ok, but improvising on music on the radio is quite a mess).
Right now, I have some ukes in A=432Hz and some in A=440Hz.

What is your experience ? Have you ever tried the A=432Hz ?
Do you love it ? Hate it ?

Thanks everybody

anthonyg
08-29-2016, 01:24 AM
I play in different pitches all the time, even though I don't adjust my tuner to do so. If three strings are all slightly sharp then I may simply tune the 4th string slightly sharp to match or flat if that's easiest. TO be honest I don't notice much difference. If you do try to play along with recorded music you will find that a LOT of it is not strictly on pitch. Its all over the place.

Anthony

Jim Hanks
08-29-2016, 01:44 AM
I have done some reading in this and I'm just not convinced. According to this: http://www.roelhollander.eu/en/432-tuning/concert-pitch-vs-tuning-system/
it is between 31 and 32 cents flat of 440 but also according to that, the "magic" only happens if you're tuned to Pythagorean temperament which isn't going to be possible on any production uke. im not even sure you could do it on a uke as the frets would not be parallel to the board.

I'm just not a believer.

mrStones
08-29-2016, 03:41 AM
Thanks Anthony,
yeah you're right. I tested several mp3 and found out only a portion has 440Hz (according to audacity filter).
But if I tune to A=432Hz and try to play along with radio it is ... well.. disappointing... but maybe it's just my ear :)

Thanks Jim,
yeah some things still give me a scratch ... "Cosmic pitch", "healing power" and so. Not saying it is wrong to believe in it, it is seems just a little "without real evidence" to me.
True, cymatics tests are quite astonishing, BUT there is a lot of fuzz online about "Can I tune my guitar/uke/bass/whatever" to 432Hz?
Half says "you can't do that !" half says "of course you can". Both explains why (and my mathematical mind tends to cling with the reasons of "you can't").

Anyway beside all the "controversy" I just tried (though skeptic) and found something was quite different... again... maybe my ear is a little "new age" :)

anthonyg
08-29-2016, 04:57 AM
Anyway beside all the "controversy" I just tried (though skeptic) and found something was quite different... again... maybe my ear is a little "new age" :)

Well my ukuleles certainly DO sound different at different pitches but that's about different string tensions rather than anything magical about a certain pitch. I generally detune my tenors 2-3 semitones to start with and that certainly has an effect on the sound of the instrument. Drifting pitch up or down a few Hz is not something that makes much difference in my book other than what the slight change in string tension may cause.

Anthony

jelow1966
08-29-2016, 05:31 AM
Coming to this topic with a background in Indian music and the sitar I see it a little differently. My main sitar is tuned with A447 because with the tonic as C# that is where it sounds best. But I might use a different A pitch for my other ones because that is where they sound best. Same with the ukes I have. Instead of getting caught up with a certain pitch for A I'd rather just find what sounds best on that uke and use it. Could be A440, could be A437, to me the frequency doesn't matter as much as how it sounds. Exception to this is when I go to my lessons, then I just use A440 because it's easier than having my teacher re-tune to match me. Same with my friends classical guitar, when I restrung it I thought it sounded best at A444 but I moved it back to A440 because it'd be easier for her son when he goes to his lessons.

My advice is to play around with it, find the sweet spot on your ukes but be prepared to switch back to A440 if you play with others because it's just a whole lot easier than deciding who's A wins out :)

John

Booli
08-29-2016, 10:37 AM
Unless you want to lose an entire evening getting sucked into the rabbit hole, you should ignore all of the videos on YouTube that discuss the CONSPIRACY that we should be using 532hz instead of 440hz or 432hz...

and these folks are basically saying that the general public is being brainwashed by 'The Illuminati' or some-such nonsense because the PLANET EARTH and the SUN all resonate at 532hz instead of something else....

I say that you should TUNE in such a way that works for YOU and ignore everyone else. (UNLESS...)

The ONLY time it matters is if you want to play with others, either 'on the radio' or in person in a group, you all have to agree on SOMETHING as a reference pitch to TUNE your instruments, otherwise it's just a cacophony of evil NOISE, regardless if you are using a 12-semitone or even tempered scale, or something else completely different, you need SOME standard for 'concert pitch'...

Choirguy
08-29-2016, 02:26 PM
The ONLY time it matters is if you want to play with others, either 'on the radio' or in person in a group, you all have to agree on SOMETHING as a reference pitch to TUNE your instruments, otherwise it's just a cacophony of evil NOISE, regardless if you are using a 12-semitone or even tempered scale, or something else completely different, you need SOME standard for 'concert pitch'...

I love this forum. There are always interesting topics at every possible level of musicianship. I'll agree with Booli (above).

Concert Pitch has been an interesting subject matter for years, and pitch is once again o the rise (no pun intended) as the higher frequency of A is more brilliant to the ear...but playing with concert pitch can also be devastating to instruments and voices.

A good synopsis is on Wikipedia.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concert_pitch#Current_concert_pitches

All that said, if you want to play with piano (particularly here in the US), you'll want to agree on A=440; and as Booli mentions, you can't have some people in a ukulele ensemble playing at A=440 and others at other pitches.

Booli
08-29-2016, 02:47 PM
I love this forum. There are always interesting topics at every possible level of musicianship. I'll agree with Booli (above)...

Thanks brother.

For the record...I do NOT agree with the wild videos on YT about the alternate references for concert pitch...

I mean, I get it that folks want to be 'alternative' or 'subversive' or 'hipster' but with music if you want to tune your A to 333hz, 444hz or 666hz you are basically never going to find an ensemble of/or other musicians to jam with unless they are into Wicca or Satanism, no offense to anyone who practices either...and MORE POWER TO YOU if that is what makes someone happy and nobody gets hurt in the process...

basically though, I'd rather not have to re-tune every acoustic piano I see in order to play it first with other people, yes I know, electric pianos, MIDI keyboards and soft-synths can be tuned to anything you want with a click of the mouse...but I do not play music to act as a virtual Ouija Board, but rather to interact with folks who are ALIVE just like me....

of course, as we peel away the layers of the onion, we can get into a meta-metaphysical discussion about HARMONIZING with other folks that exist at common RESONANT frequencies, etc, but I think that might be a little to esoteric for an ukulele forum...:)

JackLuis
08-29-2016, 03:18 PM
I would bet that not 1% of people could really tell the difference between 440 and 432. Less than 2% difference? There might be that much difference in the amount of fretting force use on a string. 440 Hz is a standard just to keep everyone in tune. But what ever floats your boat is fine with me.

Choirguy
08-29-2016, 03:20 PM
...if you want to tune your A to...666hz

That would be for "The Devil Went Down to Georgia," right?

On a side note, that is still played as part of the Stone Mountain laser light show.

anthonyg
08-29-2016, 03:34 PM
As someone who regularly plays songs that are written in D in C# sharp or C or B instead. All I can say is what is the fuss about a couple of Hz?

EDIT: I should say that I tune the instrument down 1 or 2 or 3 semitones rather than just playing in a different key.

Anthony

ksiegel
08-29-2016, 03:39 PM
I would bet that not 1% of people could really tell the difference between 440 and 432. Less than 2% difference? There might be that much difference in the amount of fretting force use on a string. 440 Hz is a standard just to keep everyone in tune. But what ever floats your boat is fine with me.

If I want to play with other people, believe you me that I can tell the difference between A440 and A432!

regarding relative tuning, it simply means that I find a string that sounds right to me, and tune everything else to it. If I'm doing a solo, then that is fine. Don't care if it is A421 or A453, as long as no one tries to play along in a different tuning.

Choirguy
08-29-2016, 03:40 PM
None, until you play your C# against someone else playing D. Then it matters.

While there are intervals that are more consonant with each other, 2nds and 7ths tend to clash rather dissonantly. :)

quiltingshirley
08-29-2016, 03:41 PM
Well, hubby plays a standup bass and more than once he has changed his tuning by placing his finger on the wrong button. I play either ukulele or guitar with him and go crazy trying to tune my instrument when this happens. I can sure hear the difference. You don't even want to know how long it takes us to discover he's altered the tuning! Those numbers are really tiny on the tuners for our Senior eyes.

Booli
08-29-2016, 03:56 PM
Well, hubby plays a standup bass and more than once he has changed his tuning by placing his finger on the wrong button. I play either ukulele or guitar with him and go crazy trying to tune my instrument when this happens. I can sure hear the difference. You don't even want to know how long it takes us to discover he's altered the tuning! Those numbers are really tiny on the tuners for our Senior eyes.

For a BASS, whether the tuner is set for BASS or GUITAR or CHROMATIC, is it still difficult to remember to tune in perfect-fourths to E-A-D-G?

Please understand that I'm not mocking you, just tryin to help, as I'm not old yet and not aware of these exact obstacles as of now...

Booli
08-29-2016, 04:05 PM
As someone who regularly plays songs that are written in D in C# sharp or C or B instead. All I can say is what is the fuss about a couple of Hz?

Anthony

YES, as Choirguy said, and to put another way, if you play ALONE, none of any of this matters, but if you want to play with another person, you have to convince them AWAY from 440hz, otherwise the dissonance is painful to like 99% of people who have been cultured and raised on 'western-euorpean' music based upon Bach, Beethoven and Mozart, or Ameerikanz pop muzik, but nobody is saying NOT to tune to whatever you want, but that you SHOULD BE AWARE that you have thus isolated yourself from everyone else who has agreed that A-440hz is the de-facto and in-use reference for concert pitch for most of the 12-tone equal-temperament tuning system deployed with most of these instruments...

Now if you play something fretless like an Violin, Oud from Pakistan or a Cretan Lyra, being slight out of tune can be compensated by the PLAYER. But any brass, reed, or fretted instrument and any stringed-percussion like a piano or harpsicord needs to be TUNED to the same, and yes even including a HARMONICA since the REEDS of a harmonica, concertina, accordian, melodica, etc need to be finely TUNED.

Nickie
08-29-2016, 04:19 PM
When our group plays, it doesn't matter if A is 440, or 430, or 460, as long we are all on the same page.
But the piano? A is 440, no matter how many times I wave my wand at it.

Jim Hanks
08-29-2016, 04:41 PM
I would bet that not 1% of people could really tell the difference between 440 and 432. Less than 2% difference? There might be that much difference in the amount of fretting force use on a string.
I disagree there. Like I said earlier, it is almost 32 cents difference, which is way to the left of the dial on a chromatic tuner.


If I want to play with other people, believe you me that I can tell the difference between A440 and A432!
Concur


But any brass, reed, or fretted instrument and any stringed-percussion like a piano or harpsicord needs to be TUNED to the same, and yes even including a HARMONICA.
Also agree with that. Years ago I played harmonica in my church praise band and I got to where I mostly avoided the harps in Just Temperament as some of the intervals were so flat against the Equal Temperament keyboards and guitars

mrStones
08-29-2016, 09:24 PM
Thanks everybody !


Unless you want to lose an entire evening getting sucked into the rabbit hole, you should ignore all of the videos on YouTube that discuss the CONSPIRACY that we should be using 532hz instead of 440hz or 432hz...

and these folks are basically saying that the general public is being brainwashed by 'The Illuminati' or some-such nonsense because the PLANET EARTH and the SUN all resonate at 532hz instead of something else....

Yeah don't worry Booli :) as I said, it's just a mumbo-jumbo of historical and scientific inaccurate claims.


I do respect every opinion and faith, but when people starts their arguments with "In the bible", "Illuminati did" or "Nazi did" or "Satan did"... well... it is really not my cup of tea.
I read some people says 528 is THE RIGHT tuning and 432 is another devil-ridden conspiracy and the opposite too... wow... lot of lunatics (or really smart people who saw the profit in controversy) in world wide web huh ?
The thing I personally I find annoying : why everything in internet has to become an argument to start a ideologic war with so much hatred ? Isn't there enough hatred in our world ?

Anyway, being a slave to a "too-curious" mind, I read about it and tried it, even I told to myself "well what difference can make 8Hz" ? And well... I felt the difference and I found it not too subtle.
I tested with 3 different ukes in the same position in the same room playing the same riffs (told you: scientific mind... well... kinda obsessive scientific mind...).
Real or just a trick from the shenigans in my ear ? Well, I can't really say. I was just curious if someone tried it and if felt different or not.

Thanks again everybody!

JackLuis
08-29-2016, 09:47 PM
If I want to play with other people, believe you me that I can tell the difference between A440 and A432!

regarding relative tuning, it simply means that I find a string that sounds right to me, and tune everything else to it. If I'm doing a solo, then that is fine. Don't care if it is A421 or A453, as long as no one tries to play along in a different tuning.

True beating the two different pitches will give you a beat frequency. I was talking about telling the difference in a stand alone tone. Although the more I play the more I am sensitive to tuning variations.

ramone
08-30-2016, 12:56 AM
For a BASS, whether the tuner is set for BASS or GUITAR or CHROMATIC, is it still difficult to remember to tune in perfect-fourths to E-A-D-G?

Please understand that I'm not mocking you, just tryin to help, as I'm not old yet and not aware of these exact obstacles as of now...

I think Shirley meant that the tuner was inadvertently calibrated to something other than 440 when her husband tuned his upright.

jollyboy
08-30-2016, 01:56 AM
Unless you want to lose an entire evening getting sucked into the rabbit hole, you should ignore all of the videos on YouTube that discuss the CONSPIRACY that we should be using 532hz instead of 440hz or 432hz..

I've somehow missed all of this, despite being entirely fascinated by conspiracy theories (FYI: I do not mean I'm a believer).

You'd think satanists would want us to tune to 666hz :p

Jim Hanks
08-30-2016, 02:20 AM
I read about it and tried it, even I told to myself "well what difference can make 8Hz" ? And well... I felt the difference and I found it not too subtle.
You should try tuning down to the next "whole" interval, e.g. down to B or Bb tuning (especially on tenor). I'm curious to know if you think that is even mo betta or if there is something special to your ear about the 432

mrStones
08-30-2016, 02:40 AM
You should try tuning down to the next "whole" interval, e.g. down to B or Bb tuning (especially on tenor). I'm curious to know if you think that is even mo betta or if there is something special to your ear about the 432

Good point. Empirical-solid :) I will try tonight and post the result.
Too bad there isn't an objective way to measure "impressions" or feeling by the way...

Booli
08-30-2016, 03:54 AM
Some history and background.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_pitch

http://www.schillerinstitute.org/music/rev_tuning_hist.html

Thanks for the links. Interesting read. So I may stand corrected on 'concert pitch', however, since I intend to avoid being a maverick, and want to maintain compatibility with the WIDEST POSSIBLE AUDIENCE of players, performers, and teachers, I am still going to stick to A-440, UNLESS a majority of these other folks form a consensus and switch to something else...and I can see a massive enough of a trend that 'I' would be the odd-man-out if I also do not join the bandwagon so that I too can play nice with others...

stevepetergal
08-30-2016, 04:31 AM
I have done some reading in this and I'm just not convinced. According to this: http://www.roelhollander.eu/en/432-tuning/concert-pitch-vs-tuning-system/
it is between 31 and 32 cents flat of 440 but also according to that, the "magic" only happens if you're tuned to Pythagorean temperament which isn't going to be possible on any production uke. im not even sure you could do it on a uke as the frets would not be parallel to the board.

I'm just not a believer.

An alternately tempered ukulele could theoretically be built. Even if theory were to become practice, you could only play it in one key. So, possible? Hmmm...yes(?). Why? Uhhh....

I like all the hippy-dippy, spiritual talk about different standards for A, though.

stevepetergal
08-30-2016, 04:35 AM
ukuleles certainly DO sound different at different pitches but that's about different string tensions rather than anything magical
Anthony

This is right. Some ukuleles will sound better to the ears of some, while others certainly will not, but there will be a change. Consider the extreme. If you tune it down an octave, there is an enormous change in the sound, right? There's, as Anthony says, nothing magical going on.

Jim Hanks
08-30-2016, 04:39 PM
I am still going to stick to A-440, UNLESS a majority of these other folks form a consensus and switch to something else...and I can see a massive enough of a trend that 'I' would be the odd-man-out if I also do not join the bandwagon so that I too can play nice with others...
That does happen in other contexts. I used to be a lot more active in recorder forums and there is a sub-culture there that preaches A=415 as the historically correct pitch center and 415 recorders are just WAY more refined than 440 recorders. This puts you in a concert key of B or E (depending on size) which is pretty much only good for playing with other snobby recorder players. :p

mrStones
08-31-2016, 11:48 AM
Ok, I really didn't want to take in a "pro" or "against" alternative pitch tuning :) just wanted to share my impressions and know if someone had similar experience, NOT an attempt to convince anyone to adopt or endorse that kind of pitch.

Well, I made that tests, Jim.
took me a day more than I expected (some family business :) ).
Your statement made a lot of sense to me.
I though "well I was a bass player and I always loved lower frequencies, so maybe it's just my ear that hear lower freq and says 'oh, finally' ".
So I lowered tuning a whole tone (FBbDG)... well.. strings were a lot floppy, but I adjusted after some minutes. Yeah, my brain said "good" my ear was indifferent.
Took a half tone higher (half tone lower than standard tuning). Strings were better, sound was ok.
Then took to 432Hz and that strange impressions came back. Damned Shenigans.
Retuned standard 440Hz. Funny thing : found I like standard tuning more than half tone or whole tone down... opposite as I expected.
But FOR ME 432Hz has something really strange. I am not saying it's "magic", not at all. Just maybe I am sensitive to that frequency, or maybe it's my "hippy right-side brain" that does not agree with my rational mind . I'd exclude self suggestion because I did not believe I would hear difference, not at all. But you know, subconscious is a mistery land so I can't be 100% sure.

I won't adopt 432 as the pitch for all my ukes for compatibility issues like Booli and others pointed out, but I have to say that like it.

It was a really interesting experiment by the way.
Thanks everybody.

Jim Hanks
08-31-2016, 12:02 PM
But FOR ME 432Hz has something really strange.
Vewy, vewy, intewesting. Now you're gonna make me try it. :p

mrStones
08-31-2016, 12:13 PM
If you do, I'd be grateful if you post your impressions.
I would to know if I am crazy :) just kidding, but I would be curious.
Have fun !

Booli
08-31-2016, 02:25 PM
Vewy, vewy, intewesting. Now you're gonna make me try it. :p


I tried it yesterday. Detuned one tenor uke down to A=432...

Initial impressions were, 'so what' and 'no big deal'

After playing about 20 mins, it felt like everything sounded 'off' but that could just be confirmation bias...

I suppose if the whole world, or at least folks that I would play with, were all going to tune to A=432hz, then it will likely not matter so much to my ear, and that I would just 'get used to it'

and the sick thing is that NOW, I was just getting to the point where I can 'almost' recognize if the A string is flat when I pick up the uke and try to burn into my listening memory the A-440hz for 'perfect pitch' so I do not NEED to use the tuner.

I can tune the uke to itself just fine, but for RECORDING and with other instruments I need to be EXACT so after I test my ear first...then I ALWAYS check with a tuner.

Nickie
08-31-2016, 02:28 PM
Q: What is perfect pitch?


A: It's when you toss a banjo into a dumpster and it doesn't hit any of the sides.

Rllink
08-31-2016, 02:51 PM
That's a good one Nickie.

CeeJay
08-31-2016, 03:19 PM
That's a good one Nickie.

Hey...My Banjos not made of wood you know ?!! Oh ....well ....ummmm ....apparently , just like Pinnochio it seems that it is ....

southcoastukes
08-31-2016, 03:58 PM
Stones, 432 may be magical to you somehow - everyone reacts differently to sound.

But if you try to get the best sound out of a stringed instrument, you tune an instrument to itself. With strings that match well with the scale, body size and tension the instrument responds to, then you can end up at a variety of HZ pitch. Chances are if you change your current strings to something of a higher or lower comparative tension, then the "magic" of 432 moves to another pitch.

SailingUke
08-31-2016, 05:02 PM
Q: What is perfect pitch?


A: It's when you toss a banjo into a dumpster and it doesn't hit any of the sides.

It is even more perfect if it lands on an accordion.

mrStones
08-31-2016, 09:13 PM
and the sick thing is that NOW, I was just getting to the point where I can 'almost' recognize if the A string is flat when I pick up the uke and try to burn into my listening memory the A-440hz for 'perfect pitch' so I do not NEED to use the tuner.

I can tune the uke to itself just fine, but for RECORDING and with other instruments I need to be EXACT so after I test my ear first...then I ALWAYS check with a tuner.

Thanks Booli for the feedback !
Ok, so no funny things for you in 432.
Ouch.. I am really sorry the test confused your ear. Fell kinda guilty... Hope it will fix yourself.

mrStones
08-31-2016, 09:27 PM
Stones, 432 may be magical to you somehow - everyone reacts differently to sound.

But if you try to get the best sound out of a stringed instrument, you tune an instrument to itself. With strings that match well with the scale, body size and tension the instrument responds to, then you can end up at a variety of HZ pitch. Chances are if you change your current strings to something of a higher or lower comparative tension, then the "magic" of 432 moves to another pitch.

Yeah everyone is different :)
Just for the record (again I don't want to prove anything, just writing down the result of a test) : the test was made with a soprano, a concert and a tenor. Different strings (Aquila Red, living water, Worth clear) so different tensions.
The optimal tune moves to another pitch with different size/tensions as you rightly pointed out (you actually make strings you are surely an expert in this subject :) ) and unluckly I have not the time to repeat the test with all the pitches from 420 to 460 to find out if another pitch gives me the same impressions, but the "strange behaviour" repeated itself (IF you can talk about "reproduction of results" for impressions and feeling, so with no objective way to take a measure) on 432.

Booli
09-01-2016, 08:55 AM
Thanks Booli for the feedback !
Ok, so no funny things for you in 432.
Ouch.. I am really sorry the test confused your ear. Fell kinda guilty... Hope it will fix yourself.


no worries. AFAIK it's all forgotten now because the experience was a one-time-only thing...

so mrStones - after all this discussion now, WHAT is your goal with 432hz?

I forgot what this is all about now, and seems like we are just puffing hot air into a balloon, only to pop it with a pin later on...:)

mrStones
09-01-2016, 08:52 PM
so mrStones - after all this discussion now, WHAT is your goal with 432hz?

I forgot what this is all about now, and seems like we are just puffing hot air into a balloon, only to pop it with a pin later on...:)

My goal ? I have no goal in 432Hz beside what I already said :)
I read about it, was skeptical, I tried out because I was curious sure that I wouldn't hear the difference.
Then I felt the difference and it was "strange" and I just wanted to know if it was just me or if could be "real" and at least someone else had the same experience.
Turned out that you had not the same impressions, so probably it is just the shenigans in my ear that make funny things in 432Hz.
As I told before, I'd exclude it is self suggestion 'cause I was REALLY skeptical, but as I said subconscious is a mistery land so I can't be 100% sure.

That said, will I use only A=432Hz ? No, I like to improvise listening to the radio and playing along and if you do with that pitch everything sounds awful due the different pitch.
But I'll take at least one uke on that pitch so I can enjoy it while playing alone and have some relax on the couch.

jelow1966
09-02-2016, 05:10 AM
My goal ? I have no goal in 432Hz beside what I already said :)
I read about it, was skeptical, I tried out because I was curious sure that I wouldn't hear the difference.
Then I felt the difference and it was "strange" and I just wanted to know if it was just me or if could be "real" and at least someone else had the same experience.
Turned out that you had not the same impressions, so probably it is just the shenigans in my ear that make funny things in 432Hz.
As I told before, I'd exclude it is self suggestion 'cause I was REALLY skeptical, but as I said subconscious is a mistery land so I can't be 100% sure.

That said, will I use only A=432Hz ? No, I like to improvise listening to the radio and playing along and if you do with that pitch everything sounds awful due the different pitch.
But I'll take at least one uke on that pitch so I can enjoy it while playing alone and have some relax on the couch.

No shenanigans at all. You resonate better with ukuleles tuned to A432. We all resonate with things differently so not surprisingly others don't. This has been an interesting thread and I hope it inspires people to search for the perfect A frequency for the instruments they play when playing by themselves. Not everyone will find any difference between say A440 and A444. Heck, a few years ago I wouldn't have but after not just hearing but feeling the difference raising the pitch on my sitar made I now know what to look for. I think you get that it's not all just what you hear, but how the sound coming from the instrument feels. I doubt that if you played me an A440 and then an A444 I could tell you much more than that one seemed a bit sharp, but on the right instrument they will feel very different.

John

Ukejenny
09-02-2016, 05:37 AM
What is perfect pitch? The crackling sound oboes make when you set them on fire.

What is relative pitch? Adding bassoons to the fire pile of oboes.

My musical training started with wind instruments, being in groups. So, I have always been sensitive to how the group sounds. Alternate tunings are okay, if you're into that kind of thing. But, I'm really not. My really nice tenor recorder is at 442 and it doesn't bother me very much. If I'm in the van, playing my plastic ukulele that lives in the van, I'll sometimes just tune it to itself. And then realize that my ear/singing isn't matching very much, and usually tune up until I'm in the ballpark with my voice.

Rllink
09-02-2016, 06:36 AM
It is always interesting to me what people will get absorbed in, and to what extent.