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mckenzie03
01-03-2017, 11:03 PM
Hi i am mckenzie ind i really want to get into playing the ukulele but i dont have the money to afford one so i was wondering if someone could help me out and give me a ukulele i would be very apprecitive

Thank you
-Mckenzie

Choirguy
01-04-2017, 12:42 AM
Welcome to the UU Forums!

You might find someone that is wiliing to send you a ukulele--but there are many inexpensive solutions, too. You should probably let people know where you are (state/country/nearest large city) so that if someone does have one to give you, they could drop it off instead of having to ship it (which is not exactly cheap to do).

If you check out the Caramel brand, you can get a very decent beginner ukulele--in the "Concert" size for $37, shipped from China. In the world of musical instruments, that is basically nothing. You can find those on eBay, Amazon, and on their own webpage.

lfoo6952
01-04-2017, 04:22 AM
Mckenzie: where are you located?

Snargle
01-04-2017, 04:46 AM
I may be a grumpy old man, but isn't it rather presumptuous and lacking in manners to ask for a free ukulele on the very first post to a forum?

delmar500
01-04-2017, 05:12 AM
I may be a grumpy old man, but isn't it rather presumptuous and lacking in manners to ask for a free ukulele on the very first post to a forum?It is to, to be sure, a bold move. I was going to offer her one if she drove to Indiana to pick it up, but that might well cost more than a really good Uke.

kohanmike
01-04-2017, 06:07 AM
I also wonder McKenzie's age, may very well be a young kid.

mikelz777
01-04-2017, 06:13 AM
It certainly does take some big brass balls to ask for something like that right out of the chute. When I wanted something but didn't have the money I found a way to make some money and saved up to buy it but I suppose nothing ventured, nothing gained right?

Hi i am scott ind i really want to get into playing a Kanile'a but i dont have the money to afford one so i was wondering if someone could help me out and give me a Kanile'a i would be very apprecitive

Thank you
-Scott

Rllink
01-04-2017, 06:22 AM
I think that is how it is done these days. You go on the internet and have other people support whatever it is that you want to do. Isn't that what go fund me is all about?

jollyboy
01-04-2017, 07:13 AM
It certainly does take some big brass balls to ask for something like that right out of the chute.

That made me laugh out loud :) LOLZ, as I believe the young people say.


I also wonder McKenzie's age, may very well be a young kid.

That's interesting because I was wondering the same thing... but I think that has a lot to do with the spelling and grammar of the post... and a very cynical part of me thinks that might be quite a deliberate attempt at reader manipulation. Basically, my bs detector is getting a little twitchy.

Edit: Also, if someone has a spare LoPrinzi baritone that they could send me, I'd be rarely greetfil.

Elessar
01-04-2017, 07:37 AM
I may be a grumpy old man, but isn't it rather presumptuous and lacking in manners to ask for a free ukulele on the very first post to a forum?

Yup, that's what I thought...if you can't afford to pay, you can't afford to play.

Elessar
01-04-2017, 07:41 AM
I'd agree if we were talking about food for dinner or help with a car repaid, but we're talking about a recreational expense that should come last after all other living expenses. Or it could simply be an attempt to get a rise outta' someone while trolling...


FWIW - I was originally thinking along those lines as well...however...

The OP must be pretty desperate to ignore common sense and beg for a freebie without an introduction post, nor participate in any other conversations prior to the request.

I am humbled to think about and consider someone who is far less fortunate than myself, and since doing so, have withdrawn my thoughts of passing judgment on another person, for who am I? I am nobody.

If the OP will reveal location, maybe a suitable in-person donor will appear, time will tell.

Kanaka916
01-04-2017, 09:56 AM
Saw this earlier and will be keeping tabs on this post ... chances are good this will be shut down PDQ.

Debussychopin
01-04-2017, 07:58 PM
Hello all im no money and have no way to pay rent or pay for my kids meals but I want a Playstation can someone donate to me?

Croaky Keith
01-04-2017, 11:23 PM
Well, if it was a kid, they'd have been back several times by now to see if they'd got one, 24 hours later & still not been back, so a troll it must be. :troll:

chainyanker
01-04-2017, 11:46 PM
Well I guess me asking for a gold tone but is out.

Rllink
01-05-2017, 04:30 AM
Yup, that's what I thought...if you can't afford to pay, you can't afford to play.Not sure that the mahalo crowd would agree that ukulele playing is a rich man's sport. However, no one has disagreed with you yet. But seriously, how many would gladly hand over a ukulele to someone who hadn't even asked for it, in the hopes that they would be brought into the fold, but take offense to someone else actually asking for one? Trolling or not, I've found some of the responses interesting.

Rllink
01-05-2017, 04:37 AM
LOL. I am not one to beg, but would happily adopt a K-brand if anyone wants to let one go...:)
To send this off in another direction, is busking just another form of begging? I've had this discussion with family members. I do busk, by the way. So if it is, I guess I'm not above it.

Snargle
01-05-2017, 04:41 AM
To send this off in another direction, is busking just another form of begging? I've had this discussion with family members. I do busk, by the way. So if it is, I guess I'm not above it.

I wouldn't classify it the same. Begging is asking for something without offering anything in return. Busking is providing a performance with the hope of receiving a payment/donation.

Booli
01-05-2017, 05:35 AM
I deleted my previous posts because I no longer wish to be part of this thread. Please carry on without me. I will be unsubscribed from it once I post this message. Thank you.

Elessar
01-05-2017, 05:36 AM
Yup, what he said. Performing, regardless of venue deserves payment. With regard to busking; you're performing without a contract or promise to pay while hoping someone will enjoy your contribution enough to provide remuneration. Busking is completely different from begging in my opinion.

I wouldn't classify it the same. Begging is asking for something without offering anything in return. Busking is providing a performance with the hope of receiving a payment/donation.

Sharpshin
01-05-2017, 05:41 AM
I think the issue here is a "lack of relationship".
Many of us have ukuleles we would happily give away or permanently loan, but the presumption is that we have a relationship on some level, even if it is just interest in ukuleles. The UU tradition of posting a bit about oneself, and using a posting track record as verification before interacting in real time is our online substitution for the hand shake that creates "relationship". The OP did not linger long enough to observe this tradition and respect it before asking for something without even sharing the slightest bit of their own humanity. When folks willing to give the benefit of the doubt inquired further, there was no response. No relationship given=nothing given back.

janeray1940
01-05-2017, 05:48 AM
I dunno, since the OP hasn't bothered to respond yet I'm starting to suspect a troll. But assuming not - although this particular approach demonstrates a strong lack of finesse, I do admire directness in asking for what one wants. What's the worst that can happen - people will say "NO!" and one is no worse off than they were before.

Oh and - my answer is indeed "no."

Rllink
01-05-2017, 06:18 AM
Years ago one of my kids had to make post a thread on a public forum with some particular behavior in mind for a college class, and then over a period of time document the responses. Then they had to write a paper on them. I can't remember which kid had to do that, but they wanted to see how long it took for cyber bullying to take place. As this one has gone on, I think about that project and ask myself if that might not be what we are participating in, and if so what particular behavior they are looking for.

buddhuu
01-05-2017, 07:56 AM
A lot of baseless speculation and judgment in this thread considering we know nothing about the OP or their circumstances. Just saying.

Rllink
01-05-2017, 08:07 AM
A lot of baseless speculation and judgment in this thread considering we know nothing about the OP or their circumstances. Just saying.

So far that is all we have to go on. Speculation, I mean.

jollyboy
01-05-2017, 08:54 AM
I think most people who have posted in the thread have just been mildly amused/bemused by the OP's request. And have sensibly chosen to take it with 'a pinch of salt' - that is a dose of healthy (imho) skepticism. If someone has been genuinely offended, well I would say that's their prerogative. Each of us has to live by our own moral compass, after all.

And if the OP does turn out to be genuine and someone ends up donating a uke, then cool. But my money is still on scammer/troll. And I wouldn't call that entirely baseless speculation - my feeling is that the OP's 'kidspeak' is a little too on the money - but I'm entirely happy to be proven wrong :)

robinboyd
01-05-2017, 10:29 AM
I don't know guys. If I had a cheap uke that I didn't need anymore and I was living nearby, I'd give it to the OP, irrespective of lack of finesse. Unfortunately, I don't have a spare, and I don't know where the OP is located.

Sure the OP lacks finesse, but I've learned enough about myself to know that I have my less endearing traits as well. The least I can do is be kind to others.

Mivo
01-05-2017, 10:55 AM
Sure the OP lacks finesse, but I've learned enough about myself to know that I have my less endearing traits as well. The least I can do is be kind to others.

Sometimes it's worthwhile to consider the consequences of kindness, though. I have spent a lot of time in multiplayer-games over the years, as well as in gaming communities (partly for job reasons, partly as a hobby), and asking for "stuff" is very common there to a point where people create new online identities to "farm" well-meaning folks .

I've found there is a fine line between helping someone, and rewarding, and thus reinforcing, someone's "less endearing traits". Kindness can be a game changer for someone, and benefits everyone if the person pays it forward, but kindness can also backfire, teach someone that "being annoying" leads to success (and free stuff), and make things unpleasant for other people who find themselves on the receiving end of the newly encouraged "freeloader".

I never really know which is the best approach, though, and typically just go with my gut feelings and play it by ear. My gut feelings about "hey, I'm a girl, can someone give me a free ukulele?" on an online forum as someone's first post, however, trend toward caution. Philosophically, though, an interesting question is whether that matters. Even if you reward someone's disingenuous begging, and they think of you as gullible or naive when they succeed, you may nevertheless still have helped them and made a difference, even if perhaps the benefits only show somewhere down the road.

buddhuu
01-05-2017, 11:39 AM
So far that is all we have to go on. Speculation, I mean.

That is very evident.

Gammo
01-05-2017, 12:11 PM
Turns out trolls can play the ukulele.

Bill1
01-05-2017, 12:39 PM
I am with Robinboyd, if the request is genuine and I had a uke to give, I would ignore the apparent rudeness and help out. A single act of kindness can make a big difference to many people. It would only be a $25 uke, the cost is less than a case of beer. If you are so mean that you would not even help someone with a $25 uke, you are probably never going to fully understand or enjoy the world of ukulele. Peace.
However, the person has either been scared off by the aggressive response or is a troll. If it has been a social experiment, we can all go back and see how well we did.

Mivo
01-05-2017, 01:03 PM
If you are so mean that you would not even help someone with a $25 uke, you are probably never going to fully understand or enjoy the world of ukulele.

Couldn't one equally say that if someone (who has access to a computer and the internet) doesn't care enough about ukuleles to save up $25 to buy themselves an instrument, they will probably never fully appreciate the ukulele?

Choirguy
01-05-2017, 01:45 PM
I go back to my original response: getting into a decent starter ukulele in the concert size is not that expensive; and if the original poster would provide a location (perhaps anywhere in the world) someone might step up. I wasn't trying to be mean--and I don't think it would be taken that way.

We have seen the opposite here on UU, where individuals offer an instrument for free to someone that needs one. This includes some instruments that are nicer than my own! Additionally, I have heard of a number of stories about the kindness and generosity of Mainland Mike who had provided an instrument (usually an upgrade) for a player in need.

So if some more information was offered...it is possible that a dealer or vendor might also step up to help.

Meanwhile, we should have Booli create a wishlist so we can start a GoFundMe. (I'm kidding) However, that joke line is going to result in his test drive of some new strings. You have to like that.

kypfer
01-05-2017, 09:17 PM
Hi i am mckenzie ind i really want to get into playing the ukulele but i dont have the money to afford one so i was wondering if someone could help me out and give me a ukulele i would be very apprecitive

Thank you
-Mckenzie

There's a "Vintage"-brand soprano sitting on my shelf occupying needed space ... pop around and pick it up. The bus stop's 100 yards up the road!

:music:

cml
01-05-2017, 11:32 PM
I dunno, my troll radar is giving quite a solid return here.

Otoh, helping people out is great. Many of us have too much stuff, ukes included, and can help people less fortunate. I guess a lot of you are sitting with more ukes than you can play, but cant be bothered selling. I did, and gave one away.
Even if we ignore this original post, perhaps we can use the discussion as a platform to help?

Bill1
01-05-2017, 11:54 PM
"Couldn't one equally say that if someone (who has access to a computer and the internet) doesn't care enough about ukuleles to save up $25 to buy themselves an instrument, they will probably never fully appreciate the ukulele?"

Libraries across Australia have facilities to access the internet for no cost. Anyone who can access the library can access the internet.
Many UU members have a problem of one sort or another. Many musicians have a story about not having spare $25 to buy food.
Nothing is more satisfying than meeting a person you helped out 6 years later and seeing them playing a musical instrument and enjoying their music, maybe with the original instrument. You need to realise that half of the benefit of helping someone out is pure self interest, for a $25 uke, you can get years of a nice satisfied feeling.

VELARCA
01-10-2017, 06:24 AM
Asking for Free Stuff has never worked for me, but I think that asking politely is better that doing it rude... In Mexico there's is a saying that, badly trastated saya that in the way you ask is the amount you receive....

stevepetergal
01-10-2017, 05:58 PM
Couldn't one equally say that if someone (who has access to a computer and the internet) doesn't care enough about ukuleles to save up $25 to buy themselves an instrument, they will probably never fully appreciate the ukulele?

I wouldn't say that.

stevepetergal
01-10-2017, 06:01 PM
Couldn't one equally say that if someone (who has access to a computer and the internet) doesn't care enough about ukuleles to save up $25 to buy themselves an instrument, they will probably never fully appreciate the ukulele?

In some cases, it's not a lack of caring that makes saving money impossible. So, although you could say that, I never would.

Mivo
01-10-2017, 06:25 PM
You need to realise that half of the benefit of helping someone out is pure self interest, for a $25 uke, you can get years of a nice satisfied feeling.

I think I mostly just disagree with the implication that people being suspicious of a post like the one that started this thread are "mean" or don't get the spirit of the ukulele. Yes, true altruism is probably rare, if it actually exists (good book by Alfie Kohn on that topic), but I also think getting enjoyment out of making someone else happy is perfectly fine.

Although ... considering what I have seen being sold as ukuleles at $25, I'm not sure I would dump one of those on anyone and expect them to have a good time with it. That is in part why I wouldn't do it. Maybe it's different over there, but €25 really won't get you a playable ukulele here. I've gifted two ukuleles, a KoAloha Opio and a ukuMele, though neither of the recipients were told the price. I just showed them a few and let them pick one. Not actually sure if they get played, and I don't really want to ask, either. Even if they end up getting sold, I figure someone will play and love them, and the two people who got the ukes from me will have used the money on something else that they enjoyed. But I also knew the persons and the situation they're in, so it wasn't an anonymous internet thing.

I guess I'm fairly skeptical when it comes to "can't afford $25", perhaps even cynical. I've never had an abundance of money myself, and yes, for some instruments I cut down on "fun stuff", sometimes for months, and in the past I even skimmed on food when I wanted something that I couldn't otherwise afford, so I'm no stranger to limited funds. But I've also seen many supposedly poor people, especially students, who seem to have plenty of cash for plenty of things, while maintaining they don't have money. I'll include Starbucks here, and energy drinks, and sneakers were the logo costs half the price, the mobile phone with the bitten apple, and lots of other things. I'm also slowly approaching an age where I recall my grandparents mantra of "if you want something, you gotta work for it" that I so vehemently objected to when I was a teenager without the resentment I once felt. Now that I'm in my mid 40s, a lot of what they said rings increasingly truer for me. I sometimes wish they had lived for me to tell them that there were things they were right about. But this is probably how it is for most of us.

None of that implies that there is anything wrong with gifting, receiving gifts, or asking for help. But as someone else said, I feel there is a time, a place, and a form. Above all, I think it's fine for people to say "no", without having to feel bad or mean.

janeray1940
01-10-2017, 06:31 PM
Although ... considering what I have seen being sold as ukuleles at $25, I'm not sure I would dump one of those on anyone and expect them to have a good time with it. That is in part why I wouldn't do it.

That crossed my mind too. But then I'm fairly skeptical in general :)

kohanmike
01-10-2017, 07:25 PM
I'm finding it more than curious that the original poster has not responded what-so-ever, as much as I want to give the benefit-of-the-doubt, I now very much doubt this was a legitimate request.

Dwjkerr
01-10-2017, 08:37 PM
If I were the OP and had come back to read through this thread, I'm not too very sure that I would re-post. Not that I disagree with many of you.

If he were to show up at my door, I might even give him a ukulele, probably a Mahalo.

mds725
01-10-2017, 10:21 PM
If I were the OP I would have been extremely disappointed by some of the shades of judgmental in the early responses. Someone welcomed the OP to UU, and that was nice, and maybe it IS bold to just show up and ask for help. I think had I seen this thread in its early days I might have tried to engage: "Tell me a little about yourself and why you want to play the ukulele," for example.

And something that never occurred to me before while reading posts in these forums: Is it impolite to talk about the OP in the third person? In this thread, it felt a little like talking about the OP (and saying things about the OP that you might not say to his or her face) instead of talking TO the OP. I could imagine the OP saying something like "you know I can read your posts, right?"

I'm also a little surprised about the skepticism toward the OP in a forum that has a reputation for the Aloha spirit. Well, most of these comment's are not the Aloha spirit, and maybe I'm just getting crotchety, but I can't help feeling that the OP would have gotten a warmer response, even with his or her lack of finesse, when I first joined the forum a few years back.

I'm probably going to hear about this post, but if you comment, please do me the favor of talking to me, and not about me in the third person.

mikelz777
01-11-2017, 02:54 AM
Skepticism isn't necessarily a bad thing. In fact, it can be quite healthy. Over the years I participated in enough forums to have learned that what was posted by the original poster raises huge red flags. The fact that as of this posting, the original poster has not once visited this site since boldly soliciting a free ukulele does not bode well in signaling a genuine sincerity. I don't think that the aloha spirit precludes question and doubt when the original request was presented in the spirit that it was.

kohanmike
01-11-2017, 04:57 AM
Skepticism isn't necessarily a bad thing. In fact, it can be quite healthy. Over the years I participated in enough forums to have learned that what was posted by the original poster raises huge red flags. The fact that as of this posting, the original poster has not once visited this site since boldly soliciting a free ukulele does not bode well in signaling a genuine sincerity. I don't think that the aloha spirit precludes question and doubt when the original request was presented in the spirit that it was.

I tend to agree with this. The OP did not make any kind of introduction or include a location. The first two replies within 4 hours were nice and asked for more information, but no reply. Only then did replies start to get suspicious.

Rllink
01-11-2017, 06:29 AM
Five pages, it got some traction, and we have all had a good time commenting. Not a bad thread.

Django
01-11-2017, 12:31 PM
I sent the OP a message early on asking for more information, but I did not receive a response.

Kanaka916
01-12-2017, 04:21 PM
It's been 8 days from the original posting date and the OP has not replied. I see no reason to continue with this discussion therefore, this thread is now closed.