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rappsy
01-11-2017, 11:51 AM
Okay, maybe a bit of an exaggeration, but I thought this has the possibility of being an interesting one at the very least.

I travel a fair amount and like to bring my Uke with me, but wanted something small.

The RISA Tenor Stick is the one that I have and really enjoy it. It does not have a traditional headstock and it has a much thinner overall body than a traditional Uke so it fits nicely on the side of my suitcase. It is virtually silent so I can play it without disturbing anyone, but can be plugged into a small amp which I keep in the case.

My issue with this Uke is that has a squared off thick neck. I decided to find out what my options were in making this have a thinner more comfortable neck. I knew I wouldn't be getting rid of this anytime soon, and if it worked out well, I would have a Custom RISA, a one of a kind Uke, and it would be worth a GAZILLION $$$. :cool:

I took "before" pictures and sent it on it's way to Todd Mylet at Portland Fretworks in Portland, Oregon. I have worked with him before when he did a beautiful repair on a high end Uke that had been damaged in transit. I was extremely happy with the correspondence with him, the the time it took, and it's return to me, so I was thrilled when he accepted this job. I also asked him to photograph his work as it was being done as I wanted to put together this thread on the process.

The following link will take you to the "before" pictures, which I took. These show various angles of the Uke and you can see the thickness of the body, including the neck. The "during", and "after" will follow soon.

https://goo.gl/photos/z4m5NzBEQ8jAoayE9

I hope you enjoy this and remember to consider Portland Fretworks when you require any kind of lutherie work. He did not ask me to do this. I wanted to do this as I thought it would be interesting to the readers here and I wanted to give Todd the credit for a well done and reasonably priced job.

Portland Fret Works
todd@portlandfretworks.com
Todd Mylet

I hope everyone enjoy this.

Lenny...

Booli
01-11-2017, 03:06 PM
kewl!

I had no idea the neck was like a 2/3 baseball bat...

I cant wait to see the aftermath :drool:

Thanks for bringing out Todd Mylet as a good source of lutherie work...:)

Jim Hanks
01-11-2017, 03:32 PM
The anticipation is killin me! :nana:

M3Ukulele
01-11-2017, 03:55 PM
You have my curiosity peaking.

igorthebarbarian
01-11-2017, 04:09 PM
Love the RISA Sticks, but I can see how that would be a definite upgrade.

Mezcalero
01-11-2017, 04:15 PM
you had me laughing before I could even open the post :)

JesterBlod
01-12-2017, 01:52 AM
Looking forward to this :-)

stevejfc
01-12-2017, 02:15 AM
kewl!

I had no idea the neck was like a 2/3 baseball bat...

I cant wait to see the aftermath :drool:

Thanks for bringing out Todd Mylet as a good source of lutherie work...:)
Yeah, but can you hit a slider?!
Look forward to the updates Lenny.

DownUpDave
01-12-2017, 02:25 AM
Yeah, but can you hit a slider?!
Look forward to the updates Lenny.

Lenny's got skills........he can slide from 1st to 3rd........fret that is :p

besley
01-12-2017, 10:55 AM
I've been interested in a Risa Stick Tenor for awhile now, but have been put off by the tuning difficulties and the neck profile. I remember thinking that if the neck really bothered me, how hard would it be to simply take a rasp to it and make it thinner. So I'll be very interested in seeing your outcome, especially since you're having a professional do the work.

One question though. Would anyone have concerns that maybe a thinner neck would be more likely to warp? Most ukes don't seem to have truss rods and they do fine, so it seems likely that the stress just isn't that much to worry about.

greenie44
01-12-2017, 11:11 AM
I love my Risa stick for travelling too. Just throw it in the suitcase. I also like the way it sounds with a slide.

I pulled it out and played it after reading this thread, and it doesn't seem too terribly thick to me, although bar chords hurt my thumb a bit. Interest in seeing the results though.

deschutestrout
01-14-2017, 09:21 AM
Anxious to see how the modification went! Portland Fretworks knows their stuff. If I'm not mistaken, I may have referred you to them for the previous repair. Keep us posted Lenny!

rappsy
01-14-2017, 03:40 PM
I love my Risa stick for travelling too. Just throw it in the suitcase. I also like the way it sounds with a slide.

I pulled it out and played it after reading this thread, and it doesn't seem too terribly thick to me, although bar chords hurt my thumb a bit. Interest in seeing the results though.

Just wait till you see the pictures on the difference in the thickness. If you don't think it's thick now, you'll soon see the difference. Here's a small taste of the pictures that are coming...

https://goo.gl/photos/ru8wKLDfPcoaH1qH7

sam13
01-14-2017, 04:01 PM
Just wait till you see the pictures on the difference in the thickness. If you don't think it's thick now, you'll soon see the difference. Here's a small taste of the pictures that are coming...

https://goo.gl/photos/ru8wKLDfPcoaH1qH7

Waiting. With. Baited. Breath.

OhioBelle
01-14-2017, 04:10 PM
oooh!

wood splinters flying!!!

oooh! I can't look!!!!

You are brave, rappsy!

Doc_J
01-14-2017, 04:23 PM
Just wait till you see the pictures on the difference in the thickness. If you don't think it's thick now, you'll soon see the difference. Here's a small taste of the pictures that are coming...

https://goo.gl/photos/ru8wKLDfPcoaH1qH7


Wow Lenny, that is some serious neck-thinning!

Choirguy
01-14-2017, 04:26 PM
Do Risas use metal strings or "standard" uke strings?

Booli
01-14-2017, 05:30 PM
https://goo.gl/photos/ru8wKLDfPcoaH1qH7

:) can you say 'spokeshave', say it with me spoke, shave, spoke, shave - funny name but much faster than a rasp or file as a hand tool for removing/shaping wood

lots of effort and like peeling a carrot with a knifey thing that's got two handles w/one each side w/the blade in the middle

makes a nice big mess on the floor too

Like Simon...super eager for the final result. :)

Booli
01-14-2017, 05:35 PM
Do Risas use metal strings or "standard" uke strings?

Short version:

Yes, normal uke strings

Long version:

RISA solid 'stick' ukes do not use metal strings that I've seen, only nylon/fluoro/etc non-metalcore/metalwound strings. However I see no reason why you could not use a wound C or wound low G if you like but those are classical guitar type strings with a metal-wound outer wrap around a non-metal, nylon, fluoro, silk-strand or composite core, and that metal winding is usually brass-plated copper wire, or silver-plated copper wire, or plain aluminum wire.

:)

[edit] the RISA LP and RISA Bean electric ukes with magnetic pickups both use electric guitar strings in specific gauges that are some variation of steel, nickel, or other all-metal composition.

Jim Hanks
01-14-2017, 05:52 PM
RISA solid 'stick' ukes do not use metal strings that I've seen, only nylon/fluoro/etc non-metalcore/metalwound strings. However I see no reason why you could not use a wound C or wound low G if you like .

DONT DO IT!!! Wound strings will ruin the saddle-unless they are using a different material than when I asked last time:
http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?78159-Unwound-Low-G-on-a-Risa-Solid-Concert-quot-Stick-quot-Uke&p=1213073#post1213073

Tootler
01-14-2017, 09:33 PM
DONT DO IT!!! Wound strings will ruin the saddle-unless they are using a different material than when I asked last time:
http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?78159-Unwound-Low-G-on-a-Risa-Solid-Concert-quot-Stick-quot-Uke&p=1213073#post1213073

Risa sticks come with fluorocarbon strings which are basically Worth browns. Stick with fluorocarbon, they're thinner and fit better in the head. I currently have mine strung with Living Water strings but with the the G string replaced with a Worth low G.

Croaky Keith
01-14-2017, 11:58 PM
Looks to me like you're just having the D shape neck refashioned into a C shaped neck. :)

JesterBlod
01-15-2017, 12:02 AM
Loving this.... might have to look at doing my soprano the same way

bonesoup
01-15-2017, 02:31 AM
Boy Lenny is really drawing out the anticipation. He must be spending too much time on Bourbon St. lol just kidding my friend.

I got to see the "after" of his Risa and the transformation is really impressive! I want to say more but I'll leave that to the brave man who had the work done.

SoloRule
01-15-2017, 06:51 AM
Glad it's all done now.
Thank you for sharing the experience

rappsy
01-15-2017, 07:28 AM
Glad it's all done now.
Thank you for sharing the experience

The work has been completed. My sharing of it has not... Let's have fun.

rappsy
01-15-2017, 07:35 AM
Wow Lenny, that is some serious neck-thinning!

Hodge, it's like watching your kid's first haircut. Nervous on the first few cuts and thrilled at the results.

rappsy
01-15-2017, 07:41 AM
Boy Lenny is really drawing out the anticipation. He must be spending too much time on Bourbon St. lol just kidding my friend.

I got to see the "after" of his Risa and the transformation is really impressive! I want to say more but I'll leave that to the brave man who had the work done.

Actually I am spending a lot of time on Bourbon Street. My wife's favorite city and just a wonderful place to be. Mardi Gras is around the corner and everything is so vibrant and exciting.

Thanks Dan for not spoiling the big reveal. The wait will be well with it.

rappsy
01-15-2017, 07:42 AM
Loving this.... might have to look at doing my soprano the same way

Once the big reveal occurs, you'll want to get in touch with Todd to see what he can do for you..

rappsy
01-15-2017, 07:46 AM
oooh!

wood splinters flying!!!

oooh! I can't look!!!!

You are brave, rappsy!

It took a bit to get me to pull the trigger. Having worked with them before, I was confident that it would be what I wanted

sam13
01-15-2017, 03:24 PM
Cue the music of the longest strip tease yet on UU ... :agree:

Big Band: The Stripper

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5bLX06yR3wY

Bring on some more pics, Lenny! :drool:

rappsy
01-17-2017, 09:20 AM
Anxious to see how the modification went! Portland Fretworks knows their stuff. If I'm not mistaken, I may have referred you to them for the previous repair. Keep us posted Lenny!

Close. I was referred by Gordon at Mya-Moe and when I mentioned it to you, you agreed quite emphatically that they were indeed very good. That was all I needed to hear.

rappsy
01-17-2017, 11:12 AM
Cue the music of the longest strip tease yet on UU ... :agree:

Big Band: The Stripper

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5bLX06yR3wY

Bring on some more pics, Lenny! :drool:

I promise to close the thread if you do a dance to this song...:rofl:

Jim Hanks
01-17-2017, 12:40 PM
I promise to close the thread if you do a dance to this song...:rofl:
Gauntlet has been tossed! :eek:

rappsy
01-18-2017, 11:56 AM
Okay. It's time for the big reveal.

https://goo.gl/photos/z4m5NzBEQ8jAoayE9

Lots of wonderful pictures with incredible detail showing the process of getting to this great result. It's incredibly noticeable to me during play, and as shown in the pictures, there's quite a difference in the overall neck shape and size.

Thanks to Todd at Portland Fretworks for opening up his shop for us to see how this job was accomplished.

I hope this was an enjoyable thread. It was fun putting it together.

DownUpDave
01-18-2017, 12:48 PM
Looks like major surgery..........the patient survived and flourished. MOST INTERESTING :p

Do you have it in your hands yet and if so how do you like the playability?

Booli
01-18-2017, 12:56 PM
Lenny, I dunno...

Just SO MANY detailed photos, my eyes are watering and my brain cannot process the info - it's magical! LOL

Looks great though!

Did you measure before and after thickness? What were they?

Despite that, how does it FEEL in the hand now that the neck is not such a club? Does it PLAY any easier? Is it more comfortable? (sorry that I am repeating what Dave/DuD asked above)

Thanks for sharing brother, this is a nice project! :)

sam13
01-18-2017, 01:12 PM
Looks great, Lenny ... and I was about to strip ... just to get you to post the pictures.

Everyone can breath a sigh of relief .... cause nobody would want to see that!

Might have to get one and send it off to Todd!

Booli
01-18-2017, 01:33 PM
...and I was about to strip ... Might have to get one and send it off to Todd!

Before you send some 'selfies' to Todd, out of the blue, you might want to rethink this! Ha Ha

(sorry I couldn't help myself - please don't hate me)

rappsy
01-18-2017, 04:43 PM
Looks like major surgery..........the patient survived and flourished. MOST INTERESTING :p

Do you have it in your hands yet and if so how do you like the playability?

Dave, it's quite the difference. You know that I prefer thinner necks such as Kamaka and Kanile'a, and thought that I could make this one feel the same. It is still a bit thicker than the two previously mentioned instruments, but considerably thinner than it was and feels much better when playing. It is more comfortable to hold as well which is important as it has no head stock and there is less overall real estate in which to find a way to hold it.

rappsy
01-18-2017, 04:49 PM
Lenny, I dunno...

Just SO MANY detailed photos, my eyes are watering and my brain cannot process the info - it's magical! LOL

Looks great though!

Did you measure before and after thickness? What were they?

Despite that, how does it FEEL in the hand now that the neck is not such a club? Does it PLAY any easier? Is it more comfortable? (sorry that I am repeating what Dave/DuD asked above)

Thanks for sharing brother, this is a nice project! :)

Booli, I did not measure it before sending it so I don't have that info. I did try and take some good before and after pictures, and upon closer inspection, you can see the difference in the shape and thinness over a fair amount of the neck. As mentioned to Dave, it is quite a difference in the feel & playability. It feels much better when playing and it is more comfortable to hold which is important as it has no head stock and there is less overall real estate in which to work.

This was a fun project. I have gotten a lot of nice comments.

Mezcalero
01-18-2017, 05:11 PM
I wondered if the beefy neck was there to offset the lack of a body for tone. Have you noticed any difference in tone?

besley
01-18-2017, 08:22 PM
May we ask how much the surgery cost?

rappsy
01-19-2017, 06:26 AM
I wondered if the beefy neck was there to offset the lack of a body for tone. Have you noticed any difference in tone?

Good question Kevin. It is virtually silent when not playing it through an amp, so I can't tell a difference when I play it that way. I have not hooked it up other than with a tiny portable amp just to confirm it works so I don't know if there is a sound difference.

rappsy
01-19-2017, 06:41 AM
I've been interested in a Risa Stick Tenor for awhile now, but have been put off by the tuning difficulties and the neck profile. I remember thinking that if the neck really bothered me, how hard would it be to simply take a rasp to it and make it thinner. So I'll be very interested in seeing your outcome, especially since you're having a professional do the work.

One question though. Would anyone have concerns that maybe a thinner neck would be more likely to warp? Most ukes don't seem to have truss rods and they do fine, so it seems likely that the stress just isn't that much to worry about.

I specifically asked this question myself and this was his response:

"Structural integrity is fine. The original neck shape is way oversized. Uke necks can be quite thin as the total string tension is not great. Just look at old Kamaka ukes for evidence of this. The neck on your travel uke even after shaping is no where near the limits for structural integrity."

Tootler
01-19-2017, 11:26 AM
Interesting. I can see that it has been thinned down quite a bit. I don't find the thickness on my concert stick to be a major problem. It just feels odd with no headstock but you get used to that. Portland is a bit far to send mine - 6000+ miles I reckon. It does make a good travel uke, though and with a little amp is quite handy. I have a little effects box and I plug headphones into that for quiet practice. Works quite nicely.

rappsy
01-20-2017, 03:19 PM
May we ask how much the surgery cost?

I usually refrain from giving out what I pay for anything as it is between me and the other party, but Todd was okay with it. He did ask me to please add the fact that every job is different and to consider that within the context of a quote. I paid the very reasonable fee of $125 and thought, and continue to think, that it was money very well spent.

rappsy
01-20-2017, 03:24 PM
Interesting. I can see that it has been thinned down quite a bit. I don't find the thickness on my concert stick to be a major problem. It just feels odd with no headstock but you get used to that. Portland is a bit far to send mine - 6000+ miles I reckon. It does make a good travel uke, though and with a little amp is quite handy. I have a little effects box and I plug headphones into that for quiet practice. Works quite nicely.

Geoff, I would agree that the mileage does make it a little hard to justify but there has to be a well qualified luthier in your neck of the woods.

What portable amp do you use? I want it small enough to fit in the thin little case the RISA comes in.

What is the effects box you use when practicing quietly? Does the power it provides offer enough volume to the headphones? What effects does it have?

Can you please provide model numbers so I can look both these items up?

Booli
01-20-2017, 06:56 PM
Geoff, I would agree that the mileage does make it a little hard to justify but there has to be a well qualified luthier in your neck of the woods.

What portable amp do you use? I want it small enough to fit in the thin little case the RISA comes in.

What is the effects box you use when practicing quietly? Does the power it provides offer enough volume to the headphones? What effects does it have?

Can you please provide model numbers so I can look both these items up?

If headphones are to be your primary use when traveling, you might want to check out the Korg PXMINI (about the same size as an analog cassette tape), which I've written about a few times here on UU [NOTE: links are to each a different thread]:

http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=80632&d=1434334279

http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?108115-the-underdog&p=1710199#post1710199
http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?98135-Sojing-silent-ukulele-help&p=1545289#post1545289
http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?104672-Solid-bodied-recommendations&p=1651604#post1651604
http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?104333-Silent-Ukulele&p=1645055#post1645055
http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?108204-Effects&p=1712350#post1712350

Hope this helps. :)

rappsy
01-21-2017, 07:36 AM
If headphones are to be your primary use when traveling, you might want to check out the Korg PXMINI (about the same size as an analog cassette tape), which I've written about a few times here on UU [NOTE: links are to each a different thread]:

http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=80632&d=1434334279

http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?108115-the-underdog&p=1710199#post1710199
http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?98135-Sojing-silent-ukulele-help&p=1545289#post1545289
http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?104672-Solid-bodied-recommendations&p=1651604#post1651604
http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?104333-Silent-Ukulele&p=1645055#post1645055
http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?108204-Effects&p=1712350#post1712350

Hope this helps. :)

Thanks Booli. Now I know what I am doing this weekend...:cool:

Booli
01-21-2017, 10:05 AM
Thanks Booli. Now I know what I am doing this weekend...

Happy to help.

Of note, the PXMINI can be powered by a single AA, but you get only about 4 hrs from it before it's gone, but it CAN be powered over USB, either from your computer, a USB 'powerbank' that is rechargeable (which is what I do, a 1000 mAh powerbank gives me about 8-10 hrs of life, mainly due to these having an 18650 Lithium Ion batt inside), OR if you have a USB-to-AC adapter like those for the iPhone or a Android device and a standard USB-to-MINI-USB (not MICRO-USB) cable you can power it from the wall.

I'd recommend no less than a 10' USB cable so that you have enough length to use it comfortably even if the wall outlet is farther away. Maybe something like this ($1.65+shipping):

USB to power source
https://images.monoprice.com/productlargeimages/54542.jpg

Mini-USB to PXMINI
https://images.monoprice.com/productlargeimages/54543.jpg

see here: https://www.monoprice.com/Product?p_id=5454

MONOPRICE is the ONLY place I will buy cables from, cheap, well-made, last forever and lifetime warranty.

If you need one of these:

USB-to-AC power adapter
https://images.monoprice.com/productlargeimages/160711.jpg
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=16071

or one of these:

USB battery and rechargeable power bank
https://images.monoprice.com/productlargeimages/151201.jpg
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=15120

Also the USB connection ON the PXMINI works with the free PXMINI software for Mac or PC that you can download from the Korg web site, and the software lets you push and pull your saved settings from the PXMINI itself, as well as tweak the settings from the computer and save it as a pre-set and push it to the PXMINI over USB.

Here is Korg's page: http://www.korg.com/us/products/effects/pandoramini/

Here is a link to the PDF manual (read this BEFORE you buy it to see how it works, it's not that hard to learn how to use it) :http://www.korg.com/us/support/download/manual/0/313/1897/

Here is a link to download the editor software:http://www.korg.com/us/support/download/software/0/246/1464/

Here is a video demo:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_kgtQ93Q1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_kgtQ93Q1s

I don't use any of the distortion, overdrive or flanger effects, but find the chorus, delay and reverbs to be quite nice, and the amp and cabinet emulators are pretty good too. You can have up to 5 effects going at once. Like compression, eq, chorus, reverb, delay. and adjust the settings for each one.

When I've used the PXMINI with headphones, it's primarily because the dry signal from most pickups just sounds totally flat and dead (especially in headphones), and for example just using the Hall Reverb effect alone, give it a nice lively ambiance and sense of 'space' which is STEREO and sounds great in the headphones. There is also a LINE OUT which will impedance match your pickup to the input of your guitar amp or recording interface, so it 'works' as a preamp as well.

Any questions, just let me know and I will do my best.

besley
01-21-2017, 11:31 AM
The Pandora Mini does look interesting, but from my brief searches it seems to be out of production and no longer available. Anybody know of a modern equivalent?

Booli
01-21-2017, 12:23 PM
The Pandora Mini does look interesting, but from my brief searches it seems to be out of production and no longer available. Anybody know of a modern equivalent?

The Korg Pandora STOMP is the same exact unit but in pedal form, and the PX4 and PX5 series are the older versions of the same thing, and I see many of fleabay:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=pxmini&_osacat=181222&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xkorg+px+m ini.TRS0&_nkw=korg+px+mini&_sacat=181222

I do NOT like the interface on the LINE6 POD devices, but the Zoom G1Xon is similar to the PXMINI, has the addition of an expression/volume pedal, and the effects are completely customizeable.

I also have the Zoom MS100-BT which has the same user interface and same sound chip as the G1xon and sounds AMAZING and is built like a tank.

The G1xon is also a bit cheaper $59? vs. the PXMINI which cost me $99 new. The MS100-BT was $149 @ Sweetwater, but the MS100-BT lacks a headphone jack.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh07yv3c-18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh07yv3c-18

Romanista77
04-07-2017, 07:36 PM
That's a shame.
I was sold on the mini for a small traveling companion and now it's unavailable...
The pedals look good but bulky by comparison.

Levman
01-29-2019, 02:37 PM
I hope you enjoy this and remember to consider Portland Fretworks when you require any kind of lutherie work

Lenny...
Another shout out for Portland Fretworks! I'm a fairly new uke player and getting practice time in daily is important to me. But I travel frequently - almost every week. So I picked up a gently used Risa stick on eBay for about $130 (what a deal!) but the chunky neck was making it difficult with certain chords (especially barre chords). After finding this thread (thanks Lenny!) I shipped my Risa to Todd. I just got it back today - what a difference! My Risa appears to be a first generation, with tuners that are not great, so I splurged and had Todd replace them with planetary tuners. So now I've got a svelte custom Risa stick!

Jerryc41
01-30-2019, 02:15 AM
Nice job! If it were me, I would have taken a power sander to it and kept sanding till it was the size I wanted. Of course, then it wouldn't be worth a GAZILLION $$$. :D

Thanks for the link to Todd.

http://www.portlandfretworks.com/

aremick
02-11-2019, 10:09 AM
The Korg Pandora STOMP is the same exact unit but in pedal form, and the PX4 and PX5 series are the older versions of the same thing, and I see many of fleabay:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=pxmini&_osacat=181222&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xkorg+px+m ini.TRS0&_nkw=korg+px+mini&_sacat=181222

I do NOT like the interface on the LINE6 POD devices, but the Zoom G1Xon is similar to the PXMINI, has the addition of an expression/volume pedal, and the effects are completely customizeable.

I also have the Zoom MS100-BT which has the same user interface and same sound chip as the G1xon and sounds AMAZING and is built like a tank.

The G1xon is also a bit cheaper $59? vs. the PXMINI which cost me $99 new. The MS100-BT was $149 @ Sweetwater, but the MS100-BT lacks a headphone jack.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh07yv3c-18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh07yv3c-18

OK, but my PX4 is pretty noisy - how about the mini?