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spongeuke
01-14-2017, 12:21 PM
I was wondering if some way the shape and arrangement of the tuners can be protected so as not to be blatantly used by others.
It seams that some shapes are used only by Fender or Gibson while the classic Martin is used by anyone.

Dan Gleibitz
01-14-2017, 12:30 PM
Absolutely. For example:
http://www.google.com/patents/USD681103

The problem is prior art. Almost every conceivable headstock shape must have been used somewhere in the world. And design patents expire after ~15 years depending on date lodged and jurisdiction.

Titchtheclown
01-14-2017, 12:53 PM
Trade mark, like the coke bottle
https://davidsontm.wordpress.com/2009/12/17/three-chords-and-a-lawsuit-a-brief-history-of-guitars-and-trademarks/

cml
01-15-2017, 09:12 AM
Design protection is afaik easily circumvented for those who want to, just change it a smidge and you're good. Nowhere near as good as a patent.

chuck in ny
01-15-2017, 01:38 PM
one way of the other this is not the fight for a small operator. the legalities protect virtually nothing. companies with a legal staff on a certain floor of the building, they can explore this.

spongeuke
01-15-2017, 02:29 PM
Got the information I needed from you guys. Look here for something different in a couple of months.

willisoften
01-16-2017, 02:22 AM
I was wondering if some way the shape and arrangement of the tuners can be protected so as not to be blatantly used by others.
It seams that some shapes are used only by Fender or Gibson while the classic Martin is used by anyone.

Should that be the classic "Nunes" headstock ?

spongeuke
01-16-2017, 09:24 PM
I think the Nunes headsock had the side points about the same highth as the center crown.

ruby50
01-18-2017, 05:00 AM
And Fender stole the shape from Bigsbee, with minor alterations

http://www.retrofret.com/products.asp?ProductID=2928

Ed

willisoften
01-18-2017, 10:00 PM
I think the Nunes headsock had the side points about the same highth as the center crown.

You may be right but the basic crowned headstock seems to originate before Martin it seems to be part of the classic look.

Beau Hannam Ukuleles
01-19-2017, 05:50 AM
Why bother?- you planning to make 1,000,000 instruments????

Fender tried to copyright their Strat, Tele body shapes but it was deemed to be the public domain. Probably the martin headstock also.

Taylor have their headstock copyrighted.

You only have to change it (any copyrighted stuff) a tiny bit to bypass these copyright laws.

spongeuke
01-19-2017, 08:53 AM
Tuning the band saw today. It's been drifting after a new blade replacement.
I've been trying different designs for a back-back baritone bass. It's a form follows function process with several draw, build and rejections. The next one will be a keeper (I hope).
Copyrights probably won't be worth the time or money.