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02-12-2017, 04:12 PM
OK, so Ill post my lovely into in a second but Im kinda in a bad mood since I did something dumb on a whim.

Today, I sold my les paul and amp and while I was near the guitar shop (guitar center... bleh) I picked up with I was told was a concert uke (Luna tattoo tribal, to be specific).

Well, I just got home after dinner and turns out its a tenor rather than a concert size.

Now, Im all for "the best" I can get but I had asked for a certain size and ended up with the next one up, so Im frustrated.


Should I be?

I cant play to save my life so I had no real experience and about 3 minutes of reading reviews and 20 minutes watching youtube players before going out and getting my very own. Heck, I dont even know if I got a "good" one or not (half the reason I liked it is because Im tattooed from head to toe)

Should I go back and swap it for a concert? Or is the difference not as big a deal and not worth the $30 Id be getting back if I swapped?


Thanks all

timmit65
02-12-2017, 04:38 PM
I feel like, since you're coming from guitar, tenor might be an easier switch. How does it feel to you? Leaving the store with it should mean you liked it to begin with, so I'd say don't over think it....If it feels right, keep it!

Debussychopin
02-12-2017, 04:39 PM
We buy stuff from the store, you find out it doesn't fit right or work the way you want, you go back exchange or refund, we do it all the time. You didn't goof :rollyeyes:

JackLuis
02-12-2017, 04:59 PM
If you can form an E chord without a problem I'd keep it but I found a concert helped me learn a little faster and made my tenor and baritone playing easier. Did they have a concert Tattoo in stock? They probably were just cleaning out the stock room rather than servicing your need. They may not have known the difference, being guitar people.

Ziret
02-12-2017, 05:03 PM
Did you sell your guitar and amp because you couldn't play them? If you couldn't, think about why not. In some respects, the uke will be similar.

The Luna is probably a decent instrument. If you like it and can afford the $30, no harm in keeping it, it won't be much different than a concert to learn. If you don't like it, bring it back.

Choirguy
02-12-2017, 05:05 PM
I'm trying to figure out if you swapped the Les Paul Epiphone Ukulele and an Amp, or a Les Paul guitar?

At any rate, the Luna (same company as Dean) is an okay series of ukulele. Is yours the cut-out that has the pick-up in it?

I like playing either Concerts or Tenors most of the time...they are just more comfortable for me. I gravitate towards tenors, and surprisingly, while I have a Baritone, it isn't the first thing I pick up.

My biggest concern for you would be what you paid for it. Guitar Center doesn't have much of a reputation in terms of setting up ukuleles correctly, and that Luna's action might need to be addressed. If you don't like the strings, I'd suggest trying the Martin 620s on it to see if you like fluorocarbons instead (as you already played guitar and/or ukulele, swapping strings won't be a daunting task). While strings become a subjective issue here on UU, I think it makes sense to decide whether you like strings like the stock Aquilas (on everything but new Lanikais and high-level Hawaiian ukuleles) which are a nylon formula (Nylgut) or fluorocarbon. Once you determine that, there are many other brands and formulations (if you want to go down that rabbit hole).

Check prices on Amazon, as well as prices elsewhere on the Luna--nothing bad about that ukulele as a starter uke--although fret ends can start sticking out like nearly any other ukulele (requiring attention). I just saw Lunas at a show in Baltimore where that was happening.

So...as long as you like the ukulele, and you didn't get ripped off with its price...play it until it breaks. Otherwise, bring it back.

Debussychopin
02-12-2017, 05:59 PM
...play it until it breaks.

Yes. This is the great advice I give myself whenever I buy something later w buyer remorse and can't return. At least get my money's worth and get something out of it. You play and play not only you get a lot of great practice from it but also learn a lot of other things from it so ends up being a worthwhile purchase in the long run. Sometimes it becomes in hindsight, one of the best purchases of your life.

default
02-12-2017, 06:11 PM
Did you sell your guitar and amp because you couldn't play them? If you couldn't, think about why not. In some respects, the uke will be similar.

The Luna is probably a decent instrument. If you like it and can afford the $30, no harm in keeping it, it won't be much different than a concert to learn. If you don't like it, bring it back.

I had my heart set on a Fender FSR in Vegas Gold (Bass boat gold metalflake) and it wasnt in the cards, so I picked up a second hand les paul. I got tired of trying to find the "right" amp/sound to even get started, plus I have some issues with my hands making things a little more difficult to play (most notably my pinky fingers are 1.5" shorter than my ring finger, which makes glove shopping a nightmare). The $30 isnt an issue really, and my fiancee already made a joke about getting 2" more for the low price of $30...


I'm trying to figure out if you swapped the Les Paul Epiphone Ukulele and an Amp, or a Les Paul guitar?

At any rate, the Luna (same company as Dean) is an okay series of ukulele. Is yours the cut-out that has the pick-up in it?

I like playing either Concerts or Tenors most of the time...they are just more comfortable for me. I gravitate towards tenors, and surprisingly, while I have a Baritone, it isn't the first thing I pick up.

My biggest concern for you would be what you paid for it. Guitar Center doesn't have much of a reputation in terms of setting up ukuleles correctly, and that Luna's action might need to be addressed. If you don't like the strings, I'd suggest trying the Martin 620s on it to see if you like fluorocarbons instead (as you already played guitar and/or ukulele, swapping strings won't be a daunting task). While strings become a subjective issue here on UU, I think it makes sense to decide whether you like strings like the stock Aquilas (on everything but new Lanikais and high-level Hawaiian ukuleles) which are a nylon formula (Nylgut) or fluorocarbon. Once you determine that, there are many other brands and formulations (if you want to go down that rabbit hole).

Check prices on Amazon, as well as prices elsewhere on the Luna--nothing bad about that ukulele as a starter uke--although fret ends can start sticking out like nearly any other ukulele (requiring attention). I just saw Lunas at a show in Baltimore where that was happening.

So...as long as you like the ukulele, and you didn't get ripped off with its price...play it until it breaks. Otherwise, bring it back.

I checked the prices most places for a new one, I didnt see much variance (or enough to justify purchasing elsewhere). FWIW it was $129 and tax. In my search while debating the whole return thing I came across the Les Paul Uke and thought it was neat, but for less cost than what I have and it being electric, I dont think I would have a better instrument.

Mine does not have a pickup, Ill put a link in the bottom so you can see it.

I looked at the action of both the "tribals" they had in stock (one in box, one on the wall) and there was no difference. Ill post pics in a few as well, just in case.

About the frets, the only thing I dont like about it (other than the design being slightly off center and my OCD itching) is I can feel the edges, but only just. Id take a file to them but its not a big deal so far.

Ill probably pick up a different set of strings when it comes time to swap them. Im all for the stock ones for now.


As for me playing guitar, I can play a little (I am really good at figuring out songs by ear, I even noticed the standard tuning is similar to the into to Bohemian Rhapsody playing it on the ride home) but I just didnt see myself really committing to it as it was a "serious" instrument/investment. With a Uke, I can invest a little and learn as I feel like, as I feel it is a happy/carefree type thing which is what drew me to it in the first place.

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Luna-Guitars/Mahogany-Tribal-Tenor-Ukulele.gc

default
02-12-2017, 06:27 PM
Hard to get this pic. Fretted at 12.

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/dmk_132003/Ukes/20170213_001754_zpsdfqn55di.jpg

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/dmk_132003/Ukes/20170213_001534_zpszoitbyop.jpg

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/dmk_132003/Ukes/20170212_210145_zpsu9rsbpen.jpg


Nut seems a bit high from what Ive read (supposed to be able to hold a piece of paper, I could probably hold a nickel...)

Booli
02-12-2017, 06:41 PM
The Epiphone Les Paul uke is likely going to be a disappointment for you. I have one. It's nice to look at, but the stock pickup is the cheapest thing on the planet, and even after doing a full fret leveling, replacing the nut and saddle with bone, and installing a $120 MiSi pickup, which is considered ONE OF THE BEST, it still sounded 'meh'

The problem is that the wood on the top and back is like 4mm thick and really does not vibrate much, and long-term, these things tend to have the bridge fly off.

Tons of threads on here about the Epi LP and if you ask me, you dodged a bullet, as even an Epiphone Les Paul Express or Les Paul SPECIAL (~$119-139) is going to be a MUCH better playing and sounding instrument than this decoration that is shaped like an ukulele. If you like Les Paul WALL ART, then feel free to hand over the $129, but the 'gig bag' has no padding and is about as protective as a vinyl shower curtain would be, so common wisdom would tell you to have NO regrets on NOT getting the EPI Les Paul uke.

OTOH, Luna is known for making cookie-cutter factory ukes, that tend to be either overly-built or poorly built compared to similarly priced Ohana, Kala, Lanikai ukes.

However, with a full setup they can be made to pay well, and sound is subjective, but all the teenage girls on YT, and Grace Vanderwaal on Americas Got Talent LOVE their Luna ukes, so methinks they are appealing to some 'girlie' demographic via advertising, which makes sense because if you see any of the interviews with the founder/CEO of Luna Guitars, Yvonne Deviliers, she says that the company was created to make instruments that are 'easier for girls to play'....

But one cool thing about LUNA ukes, is that the headstock shape seems to copy the profile of the Les Paul and SG guitars, so at least they are paying homage to a legendary style of guitar...

Hate me or love me, my opinions are my own, and everyone is welcome to theirs as well, but I'm just summarizing what you will find if you read all 842 threads here on UU about Luna Ukes.

But dont feel bad, and like you said, play the ever living snot out of it and dont worry if it's a fancy uke or a budget uke, as nobody here on UU expects anyone to replicate James Hill, Jake, Kalei or John King. It's all just about making music, with the ukulele, and enjoying the process.

I drive a 20 yr old Toyota that is in very good shape, and I plan to drive this thing until the wheels literally FALL OFF and I dont care to own and pay the ridiculous costs for a fancy German car, even if everyone I know has one. I am happy to not have a $600/month lease payment or pay $200 for an oil change. The ukulele can be the same way if you want it to be.

My car is basic. Basic transportation. A uke can be basic, and STILL MAKE music and does NOT have to be fancy or expensive in order to do so. All kinds of ukes are used and owned here on UU and all are welcome.

There is no entry fee, or high bar that your uke must be blinged out with platinum plated 3-D seashell adornments, whatever you have, it's all good here.
:) :rock: :music: :nana:

default
02-12-2017, 07:00 PM
The Epiphone Les Paul uke is likely going to be a disappointment for you. I have one. It's nice to look at, but the stock pickup is the cheapest thing on the planet, and even after doing a full fret leveling, replacing the nut and saddle with bone, and installing a $120 MiSi pickup, which is considered ONE OF THE BEST, it still sounded 'meh'

The problem is that the wood on the top and back is like 4mm thick and really does not vibrate much, and long-term, these things tend to have the bridge fly off.

Tons of threads on here about the Epi LP and if you ask me, you dodged a bullet, as even an Epiphone Les Paul Express or Les Paul SPECIAL (~$119-139) is going to be a MUCH better playing and sounding instrument than this decoration that is shaped like an ukulele. If you like Les Paul WALL ART, then feel free to hand over the $129, but the 'gig bag' has no padding and is about as protective as a vinyl shower curtain would be, so common wisdom would tell you to have NO regrets on NOT getting the EPI Les Paul uke.

OTOH, Luna is known for making cookie-cutter factory ukes, that tend to be either overly-built or poorly built compared to similarly priced Ohana, Kala, Lanikai ukes.

However, with a full setup they can be made to pay well, and sound is subjective, but all the teenage girls on YT, and Grace Vanderwaal on Americas Got Talent LOVE their Luna ukes, so methinks they are appealing to some 'girlie' demographic via advertising, which makes sense because if you see any of the interviews with the founder/CEO of Luna Guitars, Yvonne Deviliers, she says that the company was created to make instruments that are 'easier for girls to play'....

But one cool thing about LUNA ukes, is that the headstock shape seems to copy the profile of the Les Paul and SG guitars, so at least they are paying homage to a legendary style of guitar...

Hate me or love me, my opinions are my own, and everyone is welcome to theirs as well, but I'm just summarizing what you will find if you read all 842 threads here on UU about Luna Ukes.

But dont feel bad, and like you said, play the ever living snot out of it and dont worry if it's a fancy uke or a budget uke, as nobody here on UU expects anyone to replicate James Hill, Jake, Kalei or John King. It's all just about making music, with the ukulele, and enjoying the process.

I drive a 20 yr old Toyota that is in very good shape, and I plan to drive this thing until the wheels literally FALL OFF and I dont care to own and pay the ridiculous costs for a fancy German car, even if everyone I know has one. I am happy to not have a $600/month lease payment or pay $200 for an oil change. The ukulele can be the same way if you want it to be.

My car is basic. Basic transportation. A uke can be basic, and STILL MAKE music and does NOT have to be fancy or expensive in order to do so. All kinds of ukes are used and owned here on UU and all are welcome.

There is no entry fee, or high bar that your uke must be blinged out with platinum plated 3-D seashell adornments, whatever you have, it's all good here.
:) :rock: :music: :nana:


Yeah Im glad I didnt see that LP uke in store, itd likely be here now.

And great, I got the girlie uke...FML :P

IS there a good uke for under $200? Im not looking for fancy (sure as hell doesnt hurt tho), but Id like solid and functional.

See, my car (the first Ive had in 20 years, as I rode motorcycles everywhere) is a 21 year old, 250k mile jeep that just works and I got it for free (I can afford $free.99 a month!) and will do the same. Id just prefer to start with something that I know is solid and then beat it to shit.

Booli
02-12-2017, 07:36 PM
Yeah Im glad I didnt see that LP uke in store, itd likely be here now.

And great, I got the girlie uke...FML :P

IS there a good uke for under $200? Im not looking for fancy (sure as hell doesnt hurt tho), but Id like solid and functional.

See, my car (the first Ive had in 20 years, as I rode motorcycles everywhere) is a 21 year old, 250k mile jeep that just works and I got it for free (I can afford $free.99 a month!) and will do the same. Id just prefer to start with something that I know is solid and then beat it to shit.

First uke I bought 3.5 yrs ago, as per a dozen or so recommendations here on UU was a Kala.

I tried all the sizes and ended up with a tenor, the KA-T, bought locally for $119 and also got a canvas-covered foam case 'Uke Crazy' brand for $45.

I've played guitar for 35+ yrs so the mechanics were easy. I played the hell out of that thing, like 2 hrs per night, every night for 6 months, and it never let me down. Then I bought a concert Flea from Magic Fluke Company, and by playing that I learned how bad the intonation was on the Kala, so I then set about learning how to fix the intonation, and it played even better after that.

I have more than a dozen ukes now, and I STILL play my KA-T, and it sounds better now than when it was new. About a yr after buying it, I bought a Mi-Si pickup online, watched about a dozen videos on how to install it, and then installed it myself.

My Kala KA-T was ROCK SOLID and still gets play time, even though I have ukes costing 2-3 times as much.

So you may want to check them out and see. Keeping in mind that a $200 that has a pickup pre-installed, likely has a very cheap pickup if the price difference between the acoustic-only version and the acoustic/electric version is less than $100, you are scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of electronics. If you can use a drill, a file and sandpaper, you can install your own pickups, the ONLY requirement is to be patient, go slow and work with finesse like you are giving a massage to an infant to make them sleep, and not tenderizing a side of beef with a sledgehammer.

Kala, Ohana, Lanikai, Cordoba, Gretsch all get high marks here on UU and have very nice playing and nice sounding ukes for under $200

I'd stay away from Alvarez, Mahalo, Diamond Head, Rogue, Ibanez, Fender and Oscar Schmidt, as these tend to be over-built, sloppily-built and sound very quiet with little projection. These are also some guitar companies that are doing an 'also-ran' with ukes and disregard the fact that a uke is NOT just a 'little guitar' but in fact a completely different instrument.

These named in the previous paragraph are also likely to require a full setup and most 'guitar shops' are just ignorant of how to set up an ukulele. You are better off to buy from a place that does the SETUP and BEFORE you buy the ukulele, and some vendors here on UU that folks like are Uke Republic, MIM's Ukes, Elderly Music and HMS...

You would learn a lot and help yourself to avoid many newbie mistakes by going on http://gotaukulele.com and reading the articles and watching the videos on his YouTube channel. Baz is an active member here and has lots of good info and tons of reviews on his web site.

Hope this helps! :)

default
02-12-2017, 07:49 PM
Thanks a lot for that. Yeah, Im thinking theres no real place to pick one up that also could set it up, so I may be going online for my second-first uke.

Good news is, I about have bohemian rhapsody figured out... lol

Patrick Madsen
02-12-2017, 08:19 PM
You did okay. For myself I'd return it for a refund and order from a dealer who sets up the uke before its sent out. Mims, Uke Republic, HMS all do a setup before sending out. That action looks high on the one you have. No big deal to lower it. You can get a really nice instrument for under 200 dollars.

Main thing is to play forget the rest.

default
02-12-2017, 08:24 PM
You did okay. For myself I'd return it for a refund and order from a dealer who sets up the uke before its sent out. Mims, Uke Republic, HMS all do a setup before sending out. That action looks high on the one you have. No big deal to lower it. You can get a really nice instrument for under 200 dollars.

Main thing is to play forget the rest.

Right now I have my eye on one at MIM and Im just trying to figure out how to get it. Sent them an email, and I cant wait to hear back.

Booli
02-12-2017, 09:11 PM
Right now I have my eye on one at MIM and Im just trying to figure out how to get it. Sent them an email, and I cant wait to hear back.

Mim is a SHE, as in a single person and runs the business herself, and that is her name.

As per her business web site her contact info is here:

Phone: (540) 505-5444

6191 Buffalo Mountain Road
Meadows of Dan, VA 24120
mim@mimsukes.com

She has MANY more ukes listed on her ebay pages here:

http://stores.ebay.com/mimsukes/

and is ALSO reachable via PM here on UU because she is an active member of this community as well:

http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=19278

and THIS is her UU profile page:

http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/member.php?19278-Mim

If I was you, I would CALL HER on the telephone if you want to get in touch quickly. The phone number is above here in this post.

Good Luck!

Choirguy
02-13-2017, 12:36 AM
As usual, Booli's post is right on target, and I love Bill1's post. Seeing a ukulele jam (playing and singing) along with people teaching themselves ukulele via YouTube made me realize this is the instrument that causes people to do the things we taught them to do as music educators--more than any other instrument I have ever seen. It is more social than guitar. And I believe that I recently read that 90% of guitarists quit in a short period of time. The ukulele, while not easy, does remove barriers.

And isn't it interesting that we're in an age where a tattooed instrument is considered feminine?

What I really wanted to say is that the instrument looks to be set up with high action--but I can't tell for sure without a string action gauge, as photos can be deceiving.

I have played a number of Lunas and Deans. It is an okay instrument. There are better, there are cheaper, and there are those that have more features. You can pick any two of those three options with another instrument.

This all goes back to this: if you like it, have fun! If you have doubts, bring it back.

default
02-13-2017, 01:23 AM
Thanks again. This one is going back and I'll either snag the Kayla or wait. I'm worried I won't be able to play well, as I was just tinkering with the Luna and my fingers tend to mute the "A" string. Im getting frustrated with myself at this point.

JackLuis
02-13-2017, 02:14 AM
Well there will be much frustration, until one day your efforts will pay off and you get that magical C-F-G7 phrase to ring true and clear! One truism in self-teaching Uke is that you'll have an idiot for a teacher. :cool:

Kala is pretty good but I found Ohana to be as good or better at about the same price. Mim is the biggest Ohana dealer in the country and she is pretty good at what she does. I ordered a New Tenor from her and she got it to me in like four days, all the way across the country (VA-CA) and set up like a champ.

Do call her and tell her what you want/need. She's a real treat to talk to.

Rllink
02-13-2017, 02:37 AM
OTOH, Luna is known for making cookie-cutter factory ukes, that tend to be either overly-built or poorly built compared to similarly priced Ohana, Kala, Lanikai ukes.

However, with a full setup they can be made to pay well, and sound is subjective, but all the teenage girls on YT, and Grace Vanderwaal on Americas Got Talent LOVE their Luna ukes, so methinks they are appealing to some 'girlie' demographic via advertising, which makes sense because if you see any of the interviews with the founder/CEO of Luna Guitars, Yvonne Deviliers, she says that the company was created to make instruments that are 'easier for girls to play'....


:) :rock: :music: :nana:What in particular makes a Luna ukulele more female friendly? I've seen a lot of them, and like you said, they are pretty much cookie cutter factory ukes, and I've never noticed anything different about them.

To the O.P. I would go back and trade it for what you want. Regardless of what anyone else says, if it is not what you wanted. You can rationalize it all day long, but if it isn't what you want, it isn't what you want. I think that in itself will sour your experience and slow your progress.

Down Up Dick
02-13-2017, 03:57 AM
What a silly thing to say. My "cookie cutter" Luna concert is a favorite. It's well made, and it plays as well as i can make it. Oh, and I'm not a woman and haven't been thus far, but i thought we weren't puttin' down women any more, that's old hat!

My Luna is great, and I like it waaaay better than my cheap looking, plastic Flea. I wish I'da taken IT back.

I agree with Rollie. If he doesn't like the uke, he should take it back. :old:

default
02-13-2017, 07:43 AM
Luna back at the store. I'm uke-less for the time being. Thanks for all your help, time to research!

WCBarnes
02-13-2017, 10:01 AM
Luna back at the store. I'm uke-less for the time being. Thanks for all your help, time to research!

I think that was probably the best choice. You can find a good Kala or Ohana (both better than Luna IMHO) for under $200. Mim or Mike at Uke Republic will be able to help you find what will best meet your needs and both will give you a great set-up.

Choirguy
02-13-2017, 10:09 AM
What in particular makes a Luna ukulele more female friendly?

The Luna models are geared towards female players--in particular teenage girls. The company has an entirely different brand for males--Dean.

That doesn't mean that they are physically different, but stylistic choices that have been vetted by study groups. And as Grace Vanderwaal proved, the Luna brand is effectively drawing young women to itself. And good for them.

And if you are a guy who likes your Luna--go for it. I'll play along with you!

Booli
02-13-2017, 10:33 AM
...My Luna is great, and I like it waaaay better than my cheap looking, plastic Flea. I wish I'da taken IT back...

Different strokes. Do what you prefer. All are welcome. Sorry you were bothered by my comment. I enjoy my Flukes and Fleas, as I find their intonation, tone and playability unmatched. Sorry you do not like them. The wonder of the uke market is that there is a Product to serve each different need. Enjoy your Luna!

The Luna Guitars company mission statement at one time had said from the CEO Yvonne herself that she saw her mother lugging around an 8 lb. Fender Precision Bass to gigs for over 30 yrs, and it was just too big, heavy and bulky for the female frame, and her mother had developed back and shoulder problems as a result and was always in pain since she was an always-playing and in-demand musician.

Yvonne had clearly stated that the company was founded to make instruments for girls, instruments that were easier to play and not requiring a gorilla body to play as a musician. Yvonne left Luna in 2015, so maybe since then, they have changed their marketing strategy, but this has been WIDELY publicized for their products to be catering to a female musician. I have seen Yvonne re-state these intentions in at least 4 different video interviews, which you can find on YT, but I do not have links handy right now.

Since Yvonne left Luna, the mission statement is not there, and the ABOUT page says little about this information now, likely due to trying to reshape their target demographic.

http://lunaguitars.com/about-luna

Down Up Dick
02-13-2017, 11:32 AM
This thread gets sillier every post. Good Lord, now we have male/female ukuleles. How can anyone take ukuleles serious when we have silly stuff like this. I just hope there are no girls playing a tenor or --my God-- a baritone. The very thought makes me shudder. And surely no MAN would ever play a soprano -- not a real man.

Well, i guess I'm outta step again. All this time I've been playing a girl's concert Luna. I hope no one saw me. :old:

Debussychopin
02-13-2017, 11:48 AM
My ukes are androgynous

Booli
02-13-2017, 12:09 PM
I've tried to help a newbie.

I've also posted TRUE information to serve the greater good, but some folks just react badly, take things too personally, or simply demonstrate willful ignorance in spite of real facts (Luna being founded as a resource for girls to have lighter instruments, etc as PER the CEO/Founder Yvonne).

Instead, now, I feel like I should just delete all my posts in this thread, since it's like I'm being trolled now and I have zero tolerance for that.

I will be unsubscribed from this thread since I have better applications for my energy than endless gyrations of futility.

Have at it, henceforth without me.
:deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse:

Choirguy
02-13-2017, 12:12 PM
This thread gets sillier every post. Good Lord, now we have male/female ukuleles. How can anyone take ukuleles serious when we have silly stuff like this. I just hope there are no girls playing a tenor or --my God-- a baritone. The very thought makes me shudder. And surely no MAN would ever play a soprano -- not a real man.

Well, i guess I'm outta step again. All this time I've been playing a girl's concert Luna. I hope no one saw me. :old:

If you can remove yourself from the emotion that you're feeling and get back into the content of the thread, what we're saying is that Luna was created to be appealing to females by the company that makes the ukuleles. And they have been successful with that. And again, they have equivalent ukuleles, in every model, under the Dean label. Same company.

If you like your Luna, by all means, don't worry about it. Nobody is saying that a Luna cannot be played by anyone of any gender or gender identity. Playing a Luna doesn't make you any more or less male or female. But the designs themselves were created to appeal to a particular demographic--and they have. Luna has sold a lot of those ukuleles.

Ziret
02-13-2017, 12:17 PM
This thread gets sillier every post. Good Lord, now we have male/female ukuleles. How can anyone take ukuleles serious when we have silly stuff like this. I just hope there are no girls playing a tenor or --my God-- a baritone. The very thought makes me shudder. And surely no MAN would ever play a soprano -- not a real man.

Well, i guess I'm outta step again. All this time I've been playing a girl's concert Luna. I hope no one saw me. :old:

I was thinking something similar. What could be worse than being a girl? Or owning the same thing as a girl? Touch her uke and you'll get girl germs!

kkimura
02-13-2017, 12:25 PM
Question: What kind of instrument does a gorilla play?

Answer: Any kind it wants to.

(even the girl gorillas)

Ziret
02-13-2017, 12:34 PM
Question: What kind of instrument does a gorilla play?

Answer: Any kind it wants to.

(even the girl gorillas)

Beats chest and smiles

Down Up Dick
02-13-2017, 01:31 PM
If you can remove yourself from the emotion that you're feeling and get back into the content of the thread, what we're saying is that Luna was created to be appealing to females by the company that makes the ukuleles. And they have been successful with that. And again, they have equivalent ukuleles, in every model, under the Dean label. Same company.

If you like your Luna, by all means, don't worry about it. Nobody is saying that a Luna cannot be played by anyone of any gender or gender identity. Playing a Luna doesn't make you any more or less male or female. But the designs themselves were created to appeal to a particular demographic--and they have. Luna has sold a lot of those ukuleles.

Well, you and Booli seem to have an "in" with the Luna company that i don't have, so I'll bow to your superior knowledge and also drop out of this silly thread.

I'm thinking of smashing my girllie concert Luna in the garage with some of my really big wrenches, and then play my tuba. :old:

Debussychopin
02-13-2017, 02:18 PM
Well, you and Booli seem to have an "in" with the Luna company that i don't have, so I'll bow to your superior knowledge and also drop out of this silly thread.

I'm thinking of smashing my girllie concert Luna in the garage with some of my really big wrenches, and then play my tuba. :old:

Dont.......


Do that

Choirguy
02-13-2017, 03:16 PM
Well, you and Booli seem to have an "in" with the Luna company that i don't have, so I'll bow to your superior knowledge and also drop out of this silly thread.

I'm thinking of smashing my girllie concert Luna in the garage with some of my really big wrenches, and then play my tuba. :old:

Now it is getting personal. You knew I was a tuba major in college (along with voice)? ;)

True, though. Really was. My horn is in our basement.

default
02-13-2017, 03:29 PM
I go to dinner and come back to a mess! Lol.

Just wanted to mention that the Luna potentially being feminine wasn't a factor, although I do understand the idea. (IIRC the Mitsubishi Eclipse was marketed/designed for women yet a woman wasn't driving one in the fast and the furious...).

I really do appreciate EVERYONE'S advice, yall have been quite helpful. Now stop pickin on the boy

Booli
02-13-2017, 03:36 PM
Well, you and Booli seem to have an "in" with the Luna company that i don't have, so I'll bow to your superior knowledge and also drop out of this silly thread.

I'm thinking of smashing my girllie concert Luna in the garage with some of my really big wrenches, and then play my tuba. :old:

So sorry that you refuse the forest for the trees and feel the need to spite yourself. It would be a shame to destroy something that brings you joy. Please understand that nobody intends to steal your joy, and if that is your conclusion, might I suggest that it is malformed from within yourself?

Nobody here has an 'inside scoop' as this focus of Luna has been public knowledge for some time now.

Some folks who want to know the facts may like to read an interview with Yvonne de Villiers, former-CEO and co-founder of Luna, and I have enclose an excerpt below, with a link to the full interview at the bottom.

Seeing this you will be well-informed that neither Choirguy, nor I am making any kind of judgment calls here as this info is direct from the source, Yvonne, as she explains the lifeblood of what created this company...


The HUB: I’d agree with that. Getting back to the beginnings of Luna, can you talk about how your mother’s career as a bassist inspired you?

Yvonne de Villiers: I was inspired mainly because she was such a trailblazer --—she never let the difficulty of adapting to such a heavy instrument—the Fender Precision Bass—stop her though it wasn’t easy. I forget what it weighs exactly, but it’s pretty daunting.

The HUB: They can make anybody’s shoulder sore after a couple of sets.

Yvonne de Villiers: She gigged five or six nights a week for close to 30 years and it definitely took it’s toll on her body in the long run. As a female in a rock band, she was definitely an exception. When I walked into music stores with her, the staff always assumed that she was there to make a purchase for one of the other band members, not for herself. I witnessed the joy that her bass brought her (and still brings her) and I thought it would be wonderful if more women were inspired to take up guitar or bass.

The idea for Luna actually started when I was designing some inlay rosettes for Dean Guitars. I was meeting with Elliott [Rubinson of Armadillo Enterprises—Luna’s parent company] to show him some inlay designs and asked Elliott if he had ever considered developing something for the female market. This was about six months before Luna’s first NAMM show. His response was ‘Well, see what you can come up with.’ [Laughs] So it was a very intensive effort. The surprising thing is, especially since I hadn’t given it any forethought, the concept came to me all at once—the name, the logo, the fret markers, the vibe. Like its namesake, Luna has more of a reflective feel.

And because I didn’t know what wasn’t possible, I didn’t know what questions not to ask. That kind of worked in my favor and allowed me to come up with some designs that had never been attempted before. Most particularly, the laser etching—using the entire front of the guitar as a canvas rather than just around the sound hole..

The first impulse was to make something more ergonomically friendly for females, and the designs themselves at first were more feminine. But as they were launched into the world, we started getting feedback from male players like, ‘I saw this guitar and really like it, but I think your company’s for females and I’m not sure if I should buy it or not.’ We hadn’t intended to exclude anyone, but it was perceived that way. So after our second year, we began expanding our design efforts so both males and females would be able to find something to connect with. At this point, I’m really happy to report that our sales are reflective of the population and hover right at 50-50 male/female.

source: http://thehub.musiciansfriend.com/behind-the-brand/behind-the-brand-yvonne-de-villiers-of-luna-guitars

Also, if you are curious about the design process and artistic inspiration of this wonderful female business pioneer, you may be interested to read this article on her blog from 2012:

https://lunaguitars.wordpress.com/2012/07/11/my-design-process-by-yvonne-de-villiers/

Shaka.

JackLuis
02-13-2017, 07:02 PM
When I was contemplating buying my first Uke I was drawn to some of the Luna models, but hesitated long enough to read some reviews and decided to take a chance on a Rubin Zebra Wood, because it was pretty and cheap and I was/am broke. I am fortunate to live near a good Uke shop and had them set it up, man was it easier to play and I was able to progress a lot quicker.

Recently I bought an expensive, for me, Ohana cedar topped, solid rosewood tenor. Wow what a difference. I still like my, now six, Zebras, but 'Rosalinda' is so much more musical it is hard to imagine. Yet for general 'C&W' Uke thrashing the Zebras are hard to beat.

default
02-13-2017, 07:30 PM
When I was contemplating buying my first Uke I was drawn to some of the Luna models, but hesitated long enough to read some reviews and decided to take a chance on a Rubin Zebra Wood, because it was pretty and cheap and I was/am broke. I am fortunate to live near a good Uke shop and had them set it up, man was it easier to play and I was able to progress a lot quicker.

Recently I bought an expensive, for me, Ohana cedar topped, solid rosewood tenor. Wow what a difference. I still like my, now six, Zebras, but 'Rosalinda' is so much more musical it is hard to imagine. Yet for general 'C&W' Uke thrashing the Zebras are hard to beat.

I honestly want a waterman ice for thrashing. I do a lot of camping (sometimes its involuntary) so the weather-proofedness is nice. but thats a specific uke for a specific thing. Right now Im looking for the biggest bang for $200 or less.

Debussychopin
02-13-2017, 09:11 PM
When I was contemplating buying my first Uke I was drawn to some of the Luna models, but hesitated long enough to read some reviews and decided to take a chance on a Rubin Zebra Wood, because it was pretty and cheap and I was/am broke. I am fortunate to live near a good Uke shop and had them set it up, man was it easier to play and I was able to progress a lot quicker.

Recently I bought an expensive, for me, Ohana cedar topped, solid rosewood tenor. Wow what a difference. I still like my, now six, Zebras, but 'Rosalinda' is so much more musical it is hard to imagine. Yet for general 'C&W' Uke thrashing the Zebras are hard to beat.

You can't beat solid cedar and solid rosewood.

jollyboy
02-13-2017, 09:39 PM
The Luna aesthetic thing is interesting to me - and I can't make my mind up if I feel like it's reinforcing some sort of gender stereotyping or not (at least they're not pink). Seems like there's plenty of room for debate.

One thing's for sure, Hilda Williers can rock out (on her Luna bass) with the best of them...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wm-8z-heFY

default
02-13-2017, 10:08 PM
The Luna aesthetic thing is interesting to me - and I can't make my mind up if I feel like it's reinforcing some sort of gender stereotyping or not (at least they're not pink). Seems like there's plenty of room for debate.

One thing's for sure, Hilda Williers can rock out (on her Luna bass) with the best of them...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wm-8z-heFY

If i may expound on this a touch: I think the only thing that was being implied when Boo said it was that Luna's marketing recently had been aimed at young women, such as with Grace V. getting put in the spotlight with one so they capitalized on it. I would too if it were my company! I know they overall design/shape/sound isnt different between male/female (or as was implied, Dean and Luna and now Im getting a weird Supernatural vibe going...) just that they aimed one side towards one demographic and the other went down the opposite path.

ALL THAT BEING SAID, dead horse has been beaten. :deadhorse: Believe me, I was happy buying a "girls" uke with my 6ft, 300lb tattooed self...

Debussychopin
02-13-2017, 10:16 PM
When I was contemplating buying my first Uke I was drawn to some of the Luna models, but hesitated long enough to read some reviews and decided to take a chance on a Rubin Zebra Wood, because it was pretty and cheap and I was/am broke. I am fortunate to live near a good Uke shop and had them set it up, man was it easier to play and I was able to progress a lot quicker.

Recently I bought an expensive, for me, Ohana cedar topped, solid rosewood tenor. Wow what a difference. I still like my, now six, Zebras, but 'Rosalinda' is so much more musical it is hard to imagine. Yet for general 'C&W' Uke thrashing the Zebras are hard to beat.
Might any of them be Caramels? If they are, what may be any appreciable differences between them and the rubins?

Rllink
02-14-2017, 01:10 AM
I find this Luna gender specific thing interesting, and I read the interview. The tribal tattoo thing reminds me more of Dwayne the Rock Johnson than some girly design. But if you actually go to the article, De Villiers isn't even talking about ukuleles, she is talking about guitars. And if you look at the pictures, you aren't seeing the tribal tattoo design, you are seeing designs and colors that are unmistakably more feminine. Those are the sea horses and fairies. Those are the designs she is talking about, not the tribal tattoo design. Also, if one still needs reassurances, the person holding the Luna ukulele on the Luna ukulele page is decidedly masculine. So my advise to men who are looking at Luna ukuleles and don't want to play a girl's ukulele, don't buy the one that looks like it has a doily etched into it, and buy one that looks like the Rock's arms instead.

Okay that said, let me just stir the pot a little and mention that this is not the first time I have heard someone say that ukuleles are a feminine instrument. Now I scoff at that notion myself, but I have heard it, and I suppose if one is insecure in that way, perhaps then a guitar would make one feel better about themselves.

kkimura
02-14-2017, 02:33 AM
I always liked the Luna Peace and Tattoo ukulele graphics but negative reviews on their quality control kept me away from ordering one online. Kanilea has a great tattoo ukulele but at too a great price for me to risk an online order.

plastuku
02-14-2017, 09:00 AM
I tried a Luna in a music store and thought it was quite nice. What??! They're made for girls??!! I had no idea.

If you're a guy playing one of these, just string it with barbed wire. NO one will question your manliness.