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Pete Howlett
06-16-2017, 08:42 AM
Just had a uke held up in customs requiring Lacey declaration despite being under $2500. Looks like a form will have to accompany every piece into the US. You fill it out online and save as pdf.

Allen
06-16-2017, 11:28 AM
Do you have a link to the form Pete?

Pete Howlett
06-16-2017, 12:18 PM
Just type Lacey Act Form into google and the link will come up. Make sure you use the genus and specie names avoiding words like rosewood and mahogany :) My instrument was made from all African and European wooods so should have been released. Remember you will likely have a plywood case which you must also list.

DPO
06-16-2017, 12:33 PM
From the information on the Lacey site it appears to be the Importer of the item (instrument) that is responsible for filling in the declaration form, not the exporter.

Pete Howlett
06-16-2017, 12:40 PM
No Dennis - in this instance you are not correct. You, the exporter must do it. How else would the various columns asking for weight and costs of each element be given? These are generated by the manufacturer.

DPO
06-16-2017, 03:37 PM
No Dennis - in this instance you are not correct. You, the exporter must do it. How else would the various columns asking for weight and costs of each element be given? These are generated by the manufacturer.

Well in the faq's downloaded from the same site as the form it states that.
The Importer of record is responsible for the filling in and signing of the form, a third party eg a broker may sign on the importers behalf but only if they hold a legal Power of Attorney for that person.

Which makes sense to me , as the whole act is about stopping the Importation of endangered species they are not concerned as much about the exporter.

southcoastukes
06-16-2017, 05:13 PM
We have too much experience in this as we "import" our own instruments (they've always been built in Central America). Dennis & Pete are both right in a sense. The importer / customer is responsible for filling out the Lacey form, but as a practical matter, they won't know scientific names and weights for every piece of wood in the instrument (inlay, bracing, etc.).

So the builder should fill out a form. Technically it should then go to the customer for his signature, then back to the builder so he can attach it.

Here's the primary link:

https://www.aphis.usda.gov/plant_health/lacey_act/downloads/declarationform.pdf

But you'll need a lot more than 5 lines, so just copy this page to cover all plant materials (wood & shell / we put in bone as well):

https://www.aphis.usda.gov/plant_health/lacey_act/downloads/declarationform-supp.pdf

DPO
06-16-2017, 06:08 PM
We have too much experience in this as we "import" our own instruments (they've always been built in Central America). Dennis & Pete are both right in a sense. The importer / customer is responsible for filling out the Lacey form, but as a practical matter, they won't know scientific names and weights for every piece of wood in the instrument (inlay, bracing, etc.).

So the builder should fill out a form. Technically it should then go to the customer for his signature, then back to the builder so he can attach it.

Here's the primary link:

https://www.aphis.usda.gov/plant_health/lacey_act/downloads/declarationform.pdf

But you'll need a lot more than 5 lines, so just copy this page to cover all plant materials (wood & shell / we put in bone as well):

https://www.aphis.usda.gov/plant_health/lacey_act/downloads/declarationform-supp.pdf
Thanks Dirk,
My take is that the buyer/importer is responsible for the declaration form and indeed it is his/her signature that must be attached to it. IF US customs want to get picky and find that someone other than the Importer has signed the declaration they could decide to get quite difficult about it.

Pete Howlett
06-16-2017, 09:34 PM
That may be the case but you cannot as the builder expect the client to fill out the form - it's why I had the email from UPS in Louisville... they understand enough to know that if you make the effort and they have something on paper (I didn't know the various codes) we have all done our bit! And of it goes into a filing cabinet never to be seen again.

DPO
06-16-2017, 09:46 PM
All well and good Pete. If you're happy, and the buyers happy , and the US customs are happy, so be it. However .......................

Timbuck
06-17-2017, 09:58 AM
last week I sent a Uke to the good ol US by way of "Parcel2go" I chose a new service "Landmark Collect" when I booked it in they said "there is a problem" when I contacted a lady on their chat line She asked "what was it made of "?..I said "wood" ..She then asked "what kind of wood ?" I said "African Mahogany and Indian Rosewood and glue"..She then said "That will do Fine"... She made a few adjustments to the booking ..and that was that ..Next day it was picked up, lable scanned, and carried off to the van.....I don't know if it's got there yet.. website tracking shows "still in transit".

Pete Howlett
06-17-2017, 12:15 PM
Blimey Ken - you lucked out there mentioning the R word and not getting picked up for it.....