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Brad Bordessa
01-11-2018, 07:41 AM
Aloha gang,

Looking at starting up a baritone 'ukulele-specific website. There's very little good info out there and it seems a shame.

Hoping you can help me brainstorm some content to focus on. Here are my ideas so far:

- Strings (should be easy to cover most since there are relatively few bari sets)
- Basic baritone chords (also thinking of creating a "baritone edition" of my book, 'Ukulele Chord Shapes. All the content is already universal, but I figure it would be more fun for baris with DGBE examples.)
- Tuning a baritone/tuning variations
- Electric baritones
- Transposing to and from baritone tuning and how to adapt current GCEA uke resources.

(Think I'm going to avoid doing tabs since A. I don't enjoy tabbing as much anymore, B. there's already a lot of good stuff that can be transposed, and C. it's a matter of time before they really start to crack down on DCMA infringements.)

Any and all ideas are appreciated! Nothing is written/filmed yet. Figure it's smart to do some homework first and build a site people will want to read instead of guessing. Fire away!

Osprey
01-11-2018, 08:07 AM
Thanks for thinking about doing this. About last March I bought my first Baritone. I played Tenors for several years before. Now I play mostly Baritone, partly because I like the sound and partly because in the groups I play with I am generally the only Baritone and it adds to the sound. Although there are some resources out there for Baritones most resources have a Soprano tuned ukuleles. If there are some tricks to taking information written for Soprano tuning and easily adapt it to Baritone tuning that would be helpful.

Theblackegg
01-11-2018, 08:10 AM
I just transpose tabs written for low g tuning. Have also found baritone ukulele aerobics quintessential to my personal progress, and fingering the 'full chord' rather than relying on the bottom 3 to get sh@#T done.
But totally agree, seems such a round-about of achieving something that you'd think given it's popularity would have something more dGBE specific.
if you build it they will come!

igorthebarbarian
01-11-2018, 08:19 AM
Check out
humblebaritonics.blogspot.com

I'm fairly certain he's a member on here.

Osprey
01-11-2018, 08:22 AM
Check out
humblebaritonics.blogspot.com

I'm fairly certain he's a member on here.

I agree that is one of the best resources for Baritone ukuleles at the present time. I refer to it often.

spongeuke
01-11-2018, 09:24 AM
I have used my Bari to play Dylan songs and some other serious/dark numbers that a Soprano seems too cheerfull for.
Side note I was at a workhsop Brad did at the Kahumoleu 'Ohana 2010 at Pahala, Hawaii.
Incorporated it into an alternate verse for Island Style.

bsfloyd
01-11-2018, 09:56 AM
Great idea, Hippie Guy! Another baritone lover here too. Perhaps another topic could be 'conversions'. I am currently using a baritone converted to more of a nylon string Irish tenor guitar, or 4 string octave mandolin - tuning being the fifths, GDAE. I'm also contemplating getting an 8 string baritone to convert it closer to the octave mandolin.

Uncle Rod Higuchi
01-11-2018, 10:47 AM
besides the obvious differences between the Keys, you may want to clarify how playing a
Baritone (DGBE) differs from playing a ukulele with a 'Low G' - that is, if there are real
differences besides the Key :)

if what you want to share with Baritone (DGBE) players can be adopted by 'Low G' players,
you will be able to reach many more players... as long as they understand the differences,
besides Key, between the Baritone and their Low G instruments :)

keep uke'in',

Braddtastic
01-11-2018, 11:52 AM
Awesome! I would like to see some content about fingerstyle and classical music for baritone. Most everything seems to be written for GCEA with reentrant tuning, and it's definitely a missing groupsource from what I've seen so far.

Bradd

Brad Bordessa
01-12-2018, 07:53 AM
Mahalo for the feedback! Gives me some ideas where to go first. It'll be a few months to get it all together, but I'll post a link when the site goes live. In the meantime, if any other requests pop up, keep them coming. I'll be banging on my keyboard if you need me...

Croaky Keith
01-12-2018, 09:16 AM
As already mentioned Humble Baritonics is the place to go for bari info, go check it out, then consider what is the best part of it that you like & incorporate it into your new site. :)

I don't mean for you to poach 100%, but to see what is already available, & see if you can supplement it.

I would suggest that you consider tenor ukes tuned to DGBE, (& maybe dGBE), that tuning started to get popular over the last year with some users. ;)

I have a tenor & a concert tuned to DGBE at the moment - just for something different occasionally - plus one bari in DGBE & another in dGBE.

There are also a few members that tune to fifths tunings, maybe they could be included so as they have a new home to visit too.

DownUpDave
01-12-2018, 10:32 AM
Brad I am so glad you are doing this. Whatever it is that you put together I know your expertise will make it an invaluable resource. I love baritone but just noodle around on it and am not good enough to transpose on the fly. I still think in GCEA tuning when playing the baritone. So if you could include some kinda conversion chart ie. forming an F chord used in GCEA is a C chord in DGBE. That might help myself and other start to memorize and think in DGBE terms instead of GCEA terms like I still do.

Thanks for do this, I enjoy your website and all it's content.

hollisdwyer
01-14-2018, 03:25 PM
May I put my hand up to request Bari chord charts for those who own long scale Bari's and would prefer to tune in the key of B flat. A number of people had recommended this tuning for my 20.25 inch scale length Bari because it produces the best resonance for that scale length. So far I have been totally unsuccessful in finding a comprehensive chord chart for this tuning.

Brad Bordessa
01-14-2018, 07:23 PM
May I put my hand up to request Bari chord charts for those who own long scale Bari's and would prefer to tune in the key of B flat. A number of people had recommended this tuning for my 20.25 inch scale length Bari because it produces the best resonance for that scale length. So far I have been totally unsuccessful in finding a comprehensive chord chart for this tuning.

So you're up at F Bb D G? I've only ever seen a fretboard chart for that once. It was a handout at either a Benny Chong or Byron Yasui workshop over ten years ago. He called the tuning "tenor," which really confused the heck out of me, just having gotten a tenor uke and tuned it to GCEA!

Hate to plug my own stuff like this, but really, a "tuning-less" shapes approach like I present in my book (link in sig) might be the way to go. It's applicable to any 4th, 3rd, 4th tuning (standard, English, baritone, "tenor", half step down, etc...) as long as you have a corresponding fretboard chart to know your notes with (or have them memorized - big kudos!). Might be of help. Don't realistically see myself getting around to a whole different set of static chord diagrams. I'm already dreading making a simple chart for baritone. Yikes!

Croaky Keith
01-14-2018, 10:35 PM
I'm already dreading making a simple chart for baritone. Yikes!

You could likely use a spreadsheet on your computer, just colour in the fretted notes. :)

maki66
01-27-2018, 10:36 PM
I'd love to get a 'Baritone Ukulele Cord Shapes' book!
Your original book has been great, and I have a kala baritone on the way to me now.

Croaky Keith
01-27-2018, 10:53 PM
There is already a good book for that - Hal Leonard 'Baritone Ukulele Chord Finder' (over 1,000 chords) - ISBN 978-1-4234-8379-3 (original cost $6.99).

maki66
01-27-2018, 11:28 PM
There is already a good book for that - Hal Leonard 'Baritone Ukulele Chord Finder' (over 1,000 chords) - ISBN 978-1-4234-8379-3 (original cost $6.99).
Thanks!


https://www.amazon.com/Leonard-Baritone-Ukulele-Chord-Finder/dp/1423483790

Croaky Keith
01-28-2018, 02:14 AM
You're welcome, I found it very useful when I got my first bari. :)

Brad Bordessa
01-28-2018, 07:14 AM
I'd love to get a 'Baritone Ukulele Cord Shapes' book!
Your original book has been great, and I have a kala baritone on the way to me now.

I'm on it! Definitely on the short to-do list. Most baritone players don't realize that every shape in the current book is universal, but I want to change the examples to be baritone-specific to give y'all a little more of a head start on the content. How's "'Ukulele Chord Shapes: Baritone Edition" sound?!

DownUpDave
01-28-2018, 07:17 AM
Sounds like a winner

ripock
01-28-2018, 08:51 AM
Brad,
Here's what I would like in a baritone book: a perspective of why I should learn the new shapes. I've had a baritone for a year and I play it like a big soprano. I just use the same old shapes I've always used. Of course that means when I think I'm playing in C, I am actually playing in...G, I think. Someone with so much education and experience should be able to discuss why this is wrong and how I am not exploiting the essential qualities that are inherent to the baritone. So yes, I would like chords like everyone else...but I also would like something a little more philosophical as well in the introduction.

bsfloyd
01-28-2018, 09:37 AM
This surely comes down to if you are playing with another instrument or not. If you are just playing alone, it doesn't matter if you are reading chord forms in C or G. If you are accompanying another instrument, then you need to be sure you are in the correct key. If I misunderstood the post, I apologize.

Brad Bordessa
11-24-2018, 04:52 PM
I jumped on some dirt-cheap hosting yesterday (my only Black Friday purchase I'm happy to say) to get baritoneukulele.net off the ground. Still pretty bare-bones, but it's a start. Probably well before its time, but I'm eager to share it.

https://baritoneukulele.net

Have a peek and let me know what you think.

Obviously I've got to put some chord charts and more on transposing in there, but my biggest questions is:

What else should go on the front page? I'm trying to keep my number of pages to a minimum so it's easy to navigate. That means being efficient with each page. What are the main things a home page should address?

Keep rockin' them big ukes!

Croaky Keith
11-25-2018, 12:35 AM
There's a couple of wrong words in the Strings section, para 1, & about half way down the page, otherwise looks to be a good intro for newbies. :)

You might want a Tabs page. ;)

Osprey
11-25-2018, 02:13 PM
Great start. I am excited to watch it develope over time. I started out playing Tenor scaled ukuleles, and still do from time to time, but mostly I play Baritone now. I am happy for any all Baritone resources.

leighbarker
11-25-2018, 08:47 PM
Looks good, Brad. I would lobby for adding DGBD to the list of alternate tunings. DISCLAIMER: I may be prejudiced about this.

Brad Bordessa
11-26-2018, 06:59 AM
You might want a Tabs page. ;)

No tabs! ;) But I'll link to the ones I know of.


As a brainstorming idea and for those from the Guitar end of the spectrum, consider a section with the heading "Four String Guitar -resources for guitar players".

That's a great excuse to get people thinking outside the box re: materials. There is so much fabulous information out there. I really don't want to reinvent the wheel, just organize what already exists better than it has been in the past.


Looks good, Brad. I would lobby for adding DGBD to the list of alternate tunings. DISCLAIMER: I may be prejudiced about this.

Doh! Can't believe I missed this one!

~

Thanks for the feedback everybody! Helps a ton to have a sounding board for an ongoing work in progress.

Funtick
01-31-2019, 06:02 PM
My thoughts after viewing webinar recording at UU+: baritone is mostly for fingerpicking; strumming technique should be different. Because strings are longer and with less tension. And Baritone designed for linear DGBE and not for reentrant dGBE. Main goal is "deep tones" so it is DGBE. Here we go: most Baritone players just use the same tunes / strums as for Soprano for instance, and it doesn't work well.

I just ordered Kala KA-ABP-CTG Baritone with Cedar top, mostly for fingerpicking and mellow tones, and for fun.

From Kimo Hussey oldest video, with Baritone you have more opportunity for fretting hand, better to explore whole freatboard, easier to learn three shapes of the same chord.

I also want Baritone with linear DGBE because 2+ octaves between 1st and 4th strings. I want to learn some songs but some notes do not fit smaller range of reentrant gCEA (of course I can try GCEA for that but I don't want)

Many people believe "you can play the same song which you learned for Tenor-Soprano, just in a different key" - I disagree, it is hype, it won't sound nice. And some strumming patterns won't work at all. Sustain is different, dynamic range. Strings are longer :)