RedRamen
Well-known member
I apologize if this is in the wrong section. I wanted this to be seen by marketplace buyers/sellers.
I was looking to buy a new ukulele in the marketplace and noticed some ads want payment through friends and family in Paypal. This is not allowed if you are purchasing/selling goods through Paypal and some people have been fined because of this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardwareswap/comments/39uxc0/meta_if_you_accept_paypal_friends_family_as/
Also, under paypal's user guidellines (https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full):
Also, under paypal's guidelines, friends and family is not protected (https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/paypal-safety-and-security):
(Emphasis mine)
I also see some ads that say pay with friends or family, or else you will pay paypal fees. That is also not allowed in paypal. (https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full):
I am a member of other music sites and other sites (like talkbass) prohibit asking for paypal friends and family in the classifieds guide. Maybe we should add this to our user guide as well? It ensures that sellers/buyers are protected.
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I am editing this post so that people who are reading this for the first time will understand why I decided to close this thread.
My original intention really was like, "As buyers, please be careful using friends and family because you will not be protected. And as sellers, please be careful using friends and family because you can get a $2500 fine. And maybe we should post a rule so that people are aware of this rule and buyers and sellers can be protected. You know. Cos a lot of people don't read all of the user agreement."
I never imagined people would read it as "You are violating the rules you unethical bastard and you should go to jail and you can rot in hell" or "I am the here to make sure everyone is following the rules or you will feel the wrath of the ukulele gods" or "Ukulele Underground should post the rules and police them so that there are just rules on this forum and no fun. No fun for you!"
So I guess its one of those intent vs reality things.
I just wanted people to understand what it actually means to use the friends and family option and what the consequences of those actions are. And maybe have some language in the suggestions/rules in the marketplace FAQs to help people make their own decisions. Because like other people said, it is not up to me whether you follow the rules or not. I would just hate someone to be scammed as a buyer or have to pay a fee as a seller just because they didn't know. Knowledge is power, and all that.
I was looking to buy a new ukulele in the marketplace and noticed some ads want payment through friends and family in Paypal. This is not allowed if you are purchasing/selling goods through Paypal and some people have been fined because of this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardwareswap/comments/39uxc0/meta_if_you_accept_paypal_friends_family_as/
Also, under paypal's user guidellines (https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full):
You may not use the “send money to a friend or family member” feature in your PayPal account when you are paying for goods and services.
Also, under paypal's guidelines, friends and family is not protected (https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/paypal-safety-and-security):
(Emphasis mine)
What’s not covered with PayPal Purchase Protection:
- Real estate
- Motorized vehicles
- Custom-made goods that are significantly not as described
- Industrial machinery
- Prepaid cards
- Items that violate our policies
- Anything bought in person (not over the internet)
- Send Money transactions to friends or family
- Disputes filed more than 180 days after the purchase for item not received and significantly not as described claims
- Unauthorized transaction claims reported more than 60 days after the transaction date of the transaction
- Items that were described accurately by the seller
I also see some ads that say pay with friends or family, or else you will pay paypal fees. That is also not allowed in paypal. (https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full):
No surcharges
You agree that you will not impose a surcharge or any other fee for accepting PayPal as a payment method.
I am a member of other music sites and other sites (like talkbass) prohibit asking for paypal friends and family in the classifieds guide. Maybe we should add this to our user guide as well? It ensures that sellers/buyers are protected.
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I am editing this post so that people who are reading this for the first time will understand why I decided to close this thread.
My original intention really was like, "As buyers, please be careful using friends and family because you will not be protected. And as sellers, please be careful using friends and family because you can get a $2500 fine. And maybe we should post a rule so that people are aware of this rule and buyers and sellers can be protected. You know. Cos a lot of people don't read all of the user agreement."
I never imagined people would read it as "You are violating the rules you unethical bastard and you should go to jail and you can rot in hell" or "I am the here to make sure everyone is following the rules or you will feel the wrath of the ukulele gods" or "Ukulele Underground should post the rules and police them so that there are just rules on this forum and no fun. No fun for you!"
So I guess its one of those intent vs reality things.
I just wanted people to understand what it actually means to use the friends and family option and what the consequences of those actions are. And maybe have some language in the suggestions/rules in the marketplace FAQs to help people make their own decisions. Because like other people said, it is not up to me whether you follow the rules or not. I would just hate someone to be scammed as a buyer or have to pay a fee as a seller just because they didn't know. Knowledge is power, and all that.
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