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Del1015
06-09-2018, 07:21 AM
Finally got a set of Gotohs installed on my Pono MGS. Iím pretty stoked about them. If youíre trying to decide on replacing your friction pegs with Gotoh UPTs, just do it. Youíll be happy you did.

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M3Ukulele
06-09-2018, 07:31 AM
Looks great. I’ve read they are awesome. I want to put set on one of my Pono tenors but don’t want the holes left by geared tuners showing. That leaves me looking at a tenor that either has friction tunes, comes with UPTs a tenor like KoAloha where geared tuners will pop out not leaving any anchor holes. It will happen , just a matter of time and Uke I like! (g)

Del1015
06-09-2018, 08:38 AM
Looks great. I’ve read they are awesome. I want to put set on one of my Pono tenors but don’t want the holes left by geared tuners showing. That leaves me looking at a tenor that either has friction tunes, comes with UPTs a tenor like KoAloha where geared tuners will pop out not leaving any anchor holes. It will happen , just a matter of time and Uke I like! (g)

I’ve seens some folks do it and fill in the holes. It didn’t look bad at all. But yes, they’re awesome and work really smoothly. I’m growing a preference for the streamlined look of rear facing tuners.

Del1015
06-09-2018, 11:22 AM
Great choice of tuners Del, a sound investment :D boom boom

Thanks ����

Jerryc41
06-11-2018, 12:43 AM
Finally got a set of Gotohs installed on my Pono MGS. Iím pretty stoked about them. If youíre trying to decide on replacing your friction pegs with Gotoh UPTs, just do it. Youíll be happy you did.

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Where did you get them? I ordered my first set from Japan. They cost $86 and took two months, but at least I could get exactly what I wanted. Now I order them from HMS ($59 plus shipping), and usually the length and button color are the only essentials. With some many size and color combinations available, they can't stock multiples of everything. I have three more sets to install.

I much prefer Gotohs to PegHeds. The Gotohs look good and don't stick out so far.

Did you use a reamer or drill bit? I've used both, but my reamer cost about $8.00 from Amazon, rather than $63 from StewMac.

The only downside to installing PedHeds or Gotohs is if the uke had geared tuners when new. Then you have those eight tiny holes in the back of the headstock. I had that situation with one uke, but isn't a "looker," so it didn't matter. I'd never do the conversion on a very good ukulele.

I'm surprised someone hasn't started mass producing geared tuners like Gotohs so they could be used as standard equipment. Churning out large numbers of them would reduce the cost considerably.

frianm
06-11-2018, 02:46 AM
Looks great. I’ve read they are awesome. I want to put set on one of my Pono tenors but don’t want the holes left by geared tuners showing. That leaves me looking at a tenor that either has friction tunes, comes with UPTs a tenor like KoAloha where geared tuners will pop out not leaving any anchor holes. It will happen , just a matter of time and Uke I like! (g)

I put some upt Gotoh tuners on a Martin SO and just filled the holes - not a perfect result but I am pleased. I keep a bag of mahogany dust to use with superglue. The dust came from reaming out the holes on the neck. These tuners are amazing. I have recently fitted these to my Opio longneck soprano - excellent.

Jerryc41
06-11-2018, 02:50 AM
I keep a bag of mahogany dust to use with superglue. The dust came from reaming out the holes on the neck. These tuners are amazing. I have recently fitted these to my Opio longneck soprano - excellent.

Yeah, that sawdust is great for many things. I got a lot from cutting mahogany necks.

Ukecaster
06-11-2018, 04:00 AM
Wow, save the mahogany dust...good tip!

Del1015
06-11-2018, 12:37 PM
Where did you get them? I ordered my first set from Japan. They cost $86 and took two months, but at least I could get exactly what I wanted. Now I order them from HMS ($59 plus shipping), and usually the length and button color are the only essentials. With some many size and color combinations available, they can't stock multiples of everything. I have three more sets to install.

I much prefer Gotohs to PegHeds. The Gotohs look good and don't stick out so far.

Did you use a reamer or drill bit? I've used both, but my reamer cost about $8.00 from Amazon, rather than $63 from StewMac.

The only downside to installing PedHeds or Gotohs is if the uke had geared tuners when new. Then you have those eight tiny holes in the back of the headstock. I had that situation with one uke, but isn't a "looker," so it didn't matter. I'd never do the conversion on a very good ukulele.

I'm surprised someone hasn't started mass producing geared tuners like Gotohs so they could be used as standard equipment. Churning out large numbers of them would reduce the cost considerably.

I got mine from Reverb. I think the particular seller was called Lucy’s Ukuleles. It cost $69 and took about 4 days to get from Oregon to Virginia. I ended up having my local Luthier install them for $75 which I figured would be around the price to buy a reamer plus shipping. I was going back and forth between these Gotohs and the Pegheads. Glad I chose these. They work so well and add to the looks of my Pono.

Del1015
06-11-2018, 12:39 PM
I put some upt Gotoh tuners on a Martin SO and just filled the holes - not a perfect result but I am pleased. I keep a bag of mahogany dust to use with superglue. The dust came from reaming out the holes on the neck. These tuners are amazing. I have recently fitted these to my Opio longneck soprano - excellent.

What a great ideas .....

Nickie
06-11-2018, 01:49 PM
I have Pegheads on my concert uke, and Gotohs on my banjouke. The Pegheads look better, but the Gotohs are MUCH nicer to tune with.

Del1015
06-11-2018, 02:43 PM
I have Pegheads on my concert uke, and Gotohs on my banjouke. The Pegheads look better, but the Gotohs are MUCH nicer to tune with.

Are the Pegheads not as smooth? Or is it something else. I think they looks great on the Martin IZ tenor and Mya Moe ukes but don’t have any experience using them as of yet.

Choirguy
06-15-2018, 05:58 PM
I ordered some UPTLs to put on a ukulele with a really thick headstock. They arrived today, and I jumped right into the project, and after reaming out the first hole to fit the UPT...the UPTLs are not long enough.

Please note...I was going slow. I was checking the diameter of the hole for the UPT. Everything was good. Except that UPTLs allow for a maximum of 13mm. I was hoping I could get by. Nope.

Imagine me sitting at the table...looking at the problem...and now not being able to go back. I contacted the company that sold the UPTs just to make sure they were the L’s (They were...was able to see a diagram...the L’s have a groove in the nut and the shaft that the regular sizes do not.).

So, I did what anyone would do...I went to my next ukulele that I wanted to install UPTs on...my Martin S1...and that went easy. It’s funny how things work when the equipment fits the installation. I think you can use regular UPT on Martins...but the L’s work, too. I have a wood reamer from eBay (worked great) and a small hobby hand drill that I used for the spikes.

What is so fascinating about the UPTs is that you only have to unscrew the front nut from the body and everything else can stay attached. That’s pretty cool, and makes swapping tuners super easy.

What to do about the ukulele with the thick headstock? 15.47mm? I ordered some very cheap planetary banjo tuners from Amazon which will be here Monday. I do not expect them to be better than the Gotoh tuners...but I do expect them to be 1000% better than the friction tuners on this ukulele...and I can’t go backwards anyway.

Hopefully the cheap planetary banjo tuners will do the trick and I can move on to the next project.

Side question: anyone know if you can buy Martin saddles and nuts from the company or a dealer? I’d like to get a black nut and saddle for my S1 (the centennial had these) as the tuners on my S1 are now all black.

Ukecaster
06-15-2018, 06:30 PM
What uke has a headstock that thick?

Jerryc41
06-16-2018, 12:13 AM
I have Pegheads on my concert uke, and Gotohs on my banjouke. The Pegheads look better, but the Gotohs are MUCH nicer to tune with.

Funny, but I prefer the look of the Gotohs, and I'm putting them on my Firefly banjouke.

Jerryc41
06-16-2018, 12:15 AM
I ordered some UPTLs to put on a ukulele with a really thick headstock. They arrived today, and I jumped right into the project, and after reaming out the first hole to fit the UPT...the UPTLs are not long enough.


My sympathies. I've installed sever sets of Gotohs, and I've always used the Long. So far, they have been just long enough. I think Gotoh should re-think their sizing. Making that shaft a couple of mm longer is no big deal.

Jerryc41
06-16-2018, 12:20 AM
I ordered some very cheap planetary banjo tuners from Amazon which will be here Monday.

Which ones did you order. I didn't find "very cheap."
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Dmi&field-keywords=planetary+banjo+tuners

Jerryc41
06-16-2018, 12:22 AM
What to do about the ukulele with the thick headstock? 15.47mm?

You'd have to experiment on scrap wood, but how about recessing the button end of the tuners a bit?

Choirguy
06-16-2018, 02:35 AM
Which ones did you order. I didn't find "very cheap."
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Dmi&field-keywords=planetary+banjo+tuners

I was quite pleased to find these, even with the mediocre (at best) reviews.

https://www.amazon.com/BQLZR-Chrome-String-Machine-Pearled/dp/B00EQ298F6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1529152261&sr=8-1&keywords=BQLZR+banjo&dpID=51XoQoQwtxL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

I think it is very, very important to note that these are for a Banjo application...not a ukulele. But this headstock is so thick that this might work. Do not order these BQLZR planetary tuners for your ukulele (Jerry...I don’t think you would do this...just making a public service announcement). I cannot recess the tuners, unfortunately.

Interesting that you are installing long on everything. That’s good to know, and may change my process of ordering in the future.

I now have Gotoh UPTs on two ukuleles...and I can only say positive things about them. I’ll probably put them on all of my “good” ukuleles...but the majority of my collection is worth less than the UPTs themselves. The only other ukulele I immediately want to tackle is my Opio Concert, which comes with friction tuners. The KoAloha friction tuners are just fine...but the Gotohs are better.

Booli
06-16-2018, 03:18 AM
I was quite pleased to find these, even with the mediocre (at best) reviews.

https://www.amazon.com/BQLZR-Chrome-String-Machine-Pearled/dp/B00EQ298F6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1529152261&sr=8-1&keywords=BQLZR+banjo&dpID=51XoQoQwtxL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch...

That's a great find Chris!

Rondo has a set for almost the same price, with a fancy button, that I've been contemplating installing on my steel-string tenor guitar (but only the shaft diameter is listed and not the length):

http://www.rondomusic.net/photos/parts/banjotuner1.jpg

http://www.rondomusic.com/Banjo_Tuners_Planetary_Gear.html

Problem is they are currently out of stock and Rondo wants $12 for shipping on top of that and those you got from Amazon are Prime eligible.

Please update us when you install them. If they pass muster, I might get these from Amazon instead.

Jerryc41
06-16-2018, 04:42 AM
Interesting that you are installing long on everything. That’s good to know, and may change my process of ordering in the future.

I installed the Long Gotohs on "everything" only because those ukes were too thick for the regulars. Still, longer is better than too short.

I wonder if this is a typo about your tuners.
"the diameter in millimeters of the main body of the tuners:16.95mm"
That seems to be a very large measurement.

EDIT: I see Amazon has other UPT tuners but they're all about the same price, and they're all white! Do these makers have no imagination?
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=geared+planetRY+tuners

Choirguy
06-16-2018, 05:00 AM
I installed the Long Gotohs on "everything" only because those ukes were too thick for the regulars. Still, longer is better than too short.

I wonder if this is a typo about your tuners.
"the diameter in millimeters of the main body of the tuners:16.95mm"
That seems to be a very large measurement.

I just measured the diameters of the Gotoh UPTs...14.37mm. 2.6 mm for banjo tuners doesnít seem much larger.

Choirguy
06-16-2018, 05:03 AM
Please update us when you install them. If they pass muster, I might get these from Amazon instead.

I will do so!

Jerryc41
06-16-2018, 05:17 AM
I just measured the diameters of the Gotoh UPTs...14.37mm. 2.6 mm for banjo tuners doesn’t seem much larger.

I'm an "inch" guy, and I didn't have a mm ruler handy. :)

Hms
06-17-2018, 12:35 AM
Just to confirm, that measurement is of the gear housing below the button.
The shaft is 9.5mm iirc.
Dimensions for the uptl can be found here:
https://g-gotoh.com/international/product/uptl.html.
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Booli
06-17-2018, 03:42 AM
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EDIT: I see Amazon has other UPT tuners but they're all about the same price, and they're all white! Do these makers have no imagination?
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=geared+planetRY+tuners

Those Knilling pegs are specifically for violin family instruments and will stick out the back of the headstock an obscene amount and make your uke not fit in the case, and for a Fluke or Flea, if the tuner shaft is longer than about 22mm FROM THE INSIDE FACE of the headstock, you will not be able to fit them on opposing sides of the headstock.

The others in you link are banjo tuners, and from what I've seen over the past 30 yrs or so, the buttons are traditionally white for the 'less expensive' models, and for other color buttons and the metal parts (like gold, bronze, black, etc) usually cost way more...

The $20 banjo tuners that Chris linked above are a steal if they work well and the gears inside do not grind or slip and turn easily.

Booli
06-17-2018, 03:43 AM
I will do so!

Thank you! :)

Choirguy
06-18-2018, 06:11 PM
Okay...the Banjo planetary tuners arrived today...in a large Amazon envelope, the five tuners (the 5th tuner is of no use to me) packaged in a small taped bubble wrap package.

Installation is exactly the same as Gotohs, with the exception that the “stake” on the main unit is larger and needs a larger diameter hole.

These things are big. The back units have a diameter of 16.8mm, and are 42mm long (or about 1 5/8”). I don’t know how this compares with Peg Head tuners, but it is A LOT bigger than the Gotohs.

None of this is a surprise to me, and it is something I am going to live with. I could probably find more compact planetary banjo tuners, but not for $20.

The operation is similar, but in no way comparable, to the Gotohs that I own. They just aren’t smooth. That said, they work 1000% better than the friction tuners that were on this particular ukulele...and the depth of that headstock requires a non-ukulele solution. Believe it or not, when I hold the ukulele at the body/neck meeting point, it is perfectly balanced. I would think the head would sink like a stone when trying to balance it.

Booli...I’m not sure what to say. I think you’ll be disappointed by the tactile quality of these tuners versus the Gotoh. But then again, if you are looking for a super-cheap solution, these are working (so far) and I have no reason to believe they won’t keep working.

I’m just pleased to have a functional ukulele, when it was previously unplayable regardless of how tight I made the back screws, and the threat of it being nothing with one bored out hole and 3 regular holes.

And I’m quite (using a term from Zoe Bestel) chuffed to have a Martin S1 with UPTs. I don’t have a lot of ukuleles that are worthy of UPTs, but my Opio Concert is going to get them, and I’m even tempted to put them on my Opio Tenor which has perfectly fine geared tuners. Maybe they would make sense on my Kala Banjolele, but I’m not sure I will keep that once Outdoor Ukulele releases their banjolele.

Anything else you want to know about these Banjo tuners? The required holes are (as expected) slightly larger than Gotohs.

Ziret
06-19-2018, 04:42 AM
Cool. It sounds like they are worth what you paid for them.

I don't think the day when decent UPTs are standard on at least midrange ukes is far off. Then they will drift down to the cheap ones. But it sounds like Gotoh don't have to worry much about competition at the high end.

Jerryc41
06-19-2018, 05:45 AM
Cool. It sounds like they are worth what you paid for them.

I don't think the day when decent UPTs are standard on at least midrange ukes is far off. Then they will drift down to the cheap ones. But it sounds like Gotoh don't have to worry much about competition at the high end.

If internal gears are made cheaply, they can be worse than friction tuners, so we'll have to hope that any mass production maintains quality.

Booli
06-19-2018, 07:47 AM
Thanks Chris for the detailed update. I am glad that they will work as a solution on that uke. :)


Booli...I’m not sure what to say. I think you’ll be disappointed by the tactile quality of these tuners versus the Gotoh. But then again, if you are looking for a super-cheap solution, these are working (so far) and I have no reason to believe they won’t keep working...

Where you mention about how they work, are the gears crunchy or grinding or uneven resistance, or do they have lots of lash (aka slop) in how the shaft rotates in response to the turning of the button?

I'm thinking that if the above issues are present but are not severe, these might pass muster for me.

Is it in the fit and finish that they are rough and noticeably cheap feeling compared to the Gotoh UPTs?

The only time I am working the tuners a lot are in the week after a string change, and then after that, they usually require little adjustment.

Choirguy
06-19-2018, 08:32 AM
Booli,

It is touch for me to say. The fit and finish seem okay (on the outside). One works very well; two work pretty decently; and one seems “notchy.” With that one (on C, incidentally), there is no grinding sound, and it seems to be willing to “jump” to the next spot although it holds the tuning between the “notches”.

But there is a noticeable upgrade in buttery smoothness with the Gotohs.

I suppose, since it is Amazon, you could take a chance and see what you think and return them if you think they are junk.

I wish I was more of an expert on planetary tuners...but at this point, I just wanted this ukulele to work—and since the $60+ Gotohs weren’t going to be able to do it...I took a risk on these $20 tuners and for now I can live with them!

Tootler
06-19-2018, 09:03 PM
I had a look on Eagle Music's website (UK dealer who specialise in banjos, though they also have a good selection of decent quality ukes) and good quality banjo planetary tuners no cheaper than Gotoh UPTs. They range from 50-80GBP a set which is comparable to a set of Gotoh UPTs here. The brands they stock are Leader and Schaller with the latter being the more expensive.

Jerryc41
06-20-2018, 12:32 AM
I had a look on Eagle Music's website (UK dealer who specialise in banjos, though they also have a good selection of decent quality ukes) and good quality banjo planetary tuners no cheaper than Gotoh UPTs. They range from 50-80GBP a set which is comparable to a set of Gotoh UPTs here. The brands they stock are Leader and Schaller with the latter being the more expensive.

I think we have to accept the fact that quality costs money. HMS has Gotohs ready for immediate delivery at a good price. I put a set in my new Firefly yesterday. Huge difference in tuning.