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Timbuck
07-17-2018, 04:53 AM
The box making company "Fenbox LTD" that supplies me with boxes for shipping my Sopranos has disappeared from the radar ..their phone line is dead and I can't find them online...can anyone recommend another box maker in the UK.

The Pashmeister
07-17-2018, 05:03 AM
That sounds a nightmare.
I only know Greyhound Box in Leeds. I work in the printing industry and have used them before. I don't know what they're like on bespoke box making though.

ukantor
07-17-2018, 05:37 AM
I smell a business opportunity. It won't be long before Ken emerges as a maker of superior custom made boxes!

Pete Howlett
07-17-2018, 09:38 AM
Kenn Barnes and Mullins in Oswestry supply ukulele shipping boxes. If you don't have an account with them pm me with your requirements and I'll get them sent to you. I have mine made in Cearohilly - there must be a similar outfit up your way?

Michael N.
07-17-2018, 10:54 AM
I buy from Davpak, custom made to the size that I want and for guitars they are big. Not cheap. Any off the shelf box is bound to be cheaper.

EDW
07-17-2018, 11:41 AM
I smell a business opportunity. It won't be long before Ken emerges as a maker of superior custom made boxes!

Yes and Ken will have figured out a series of jigs and way to streamline the construction!

Beau Hannam Ukuleles
07-17-2018, 01:15 PM
The box making company "Fenbox LTD" that supplies me with boxes for shipping my Sopranos has disappeared from the radar ..their phone line is dead and I can't find them online...can anyone recommend another box maker in the UK.

They must have shipped themselves away to an exotic location!

BlackBearUkes
07-17-2018, 04:15 PM
In all the years I have been making and shipping ukes all over the planet, I have never bought a box for shipping. I make my own out of recycled card board I get from recycling centers, super markets or any where that people throw this stuff away. With all the big screen TV's, etc. out there, why spend money on a box. Make a box jig, lay it on the flat cardboard, trace it, cut it, and glue it up. It takes about 5 minutes and it costs nothing.

Pegasus Guitars
07-17-2018, 05:40 PM
Duane,
In all the years I've been shipping ukes around too, I have seldom bought a box either. I also never thought about making a layout and cutting template! Each box I made from scratch with a tape measure and straight edge. Duh! You always have such nice straight forward solutions. Thanks for the clarity..--Bob

Timbuck
07-17-2018, 08:11 PM
In all the years I have been making and shipping ukes all over the planet, I have never bought a box for shipping. I make my own out of recycled card board I get from recycling centers, super markets or any where that people throw this stuff away. With all the big screen TV's, etc. out there, why spend money on a box. Make a box jig, lay it on the flat cardboard, trace it, cut it, and glue it up. It takes about 5 minutes and it costs nothing.

I used to do that ... But I got fed up with all the mess after cutting ..and going around searching for the right size material..Mrs T does the packing these days and I get boxes to make it easier for her.

Timbuck
07-17-2018, 08:41 PM
All sorted now I've ordered 50 boxes from ACS-DIRECT...Thanks for the help and comments.

Kevs-the-name
07-18-2018, 10:15 AM
All sorted now I've ordered 50 boxes from ACS-DIRECT...Thanks for the help and comments.

WOW.
this company looks great. Really impressive prices.
Looks like ill be ordering some from here too.
Thanks for the advice ;-)

Pete Howlett
07-18-2018, 12:51 PM
Kev - there's a company in Caerphilly that will make to measure - Dayworth Packaging...

sequoia
07-18-2018, 05:39 PM
Here is what I do: I buy quality hardshell cases for my ukes and I just save and reuse the box the case came in for shipping. They are robust and more than adequate. Open box, open case, insert ukulele and repack. A form of recycling I suppose.

Timbuck
07-20-2018, 01:20 AM
Boxes arrive today.. ACS-Direct Quality very good :) even better than the company I last used...Well pleased :cheers:

Pete Howlett
07-20-2018, 02:49 PM
Well done Ken for escaping controversy. When I did a video about boxes and packaging years ago I got well and truly flamed. It was another forum but I learned a big lesson there. Most people accept we are different from one another while insisting that we accept their solution as being the only 'right' one. If I lived close to a B&Q (Home Depot) I still would not have access to cardboard because retail companies almost employ the last sign on to smash up the boxes for the recycling bin - you'd be lucky to get any useable cardboard. Also, music stores used to be a good source of shaped boxes but every Monday in Bangor there is a pole of smashed up boxes outside the store. I also cannot justify spending an hour bespoking a cardboard box. Maybe this ain't a skill I possess. I also like the look of a made to measure box which will hold together with old fashioned fish glue parcel tape. Everyone to his own :)

BlackBearUkes
07-21-2018, 11:21 AM
As I have read through this thread, I don't recall anyone saying others need to accept any one solution. It is simply a matter of "I do this, you do that". No big deal Pete.
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Well done Ken for escaping controversy. When I did a video about boxes and packaging years ago I got well and truly flamed. It was another forum but I learned a big lesson there. Most people accept we are different from one another while insisting that we accept their solution as being the only 'right' one. If I lived close to a B&Q (Home Depot) I still would not have access to cardboard because retail companies almost employ the last sign on to smash up the boxes for the recycling bin - you'd be lucky to get any useable cardboard. Also, music stores used to be a good source of shaped boxes but every Monday in Bangor there is a pole of smashed up boxes outside the store. I also cannot justify spending an hour bespoking a cardboard box. Maybe this ain't a skill I possess. I also like the look of a made to measure box which will hold together with old fashioned fish glue parcel tape. Everyone to his own :)

Pete Howlett
07-22-2018, 01:40 PM
And if you read my post carefully Dwayne that is what I say also. I was referencing that earlier post on another forum and not disagreeing with what has been said here or targeting anyone, you in particular. I conclude:
Everyone to his own You even reference this also. I'm sorry if you think I am poking the 'BlackBear" so to speak. I am not. I just cannot justify the time, effort and carbon footprint I would generate making up my own boxes. That others like you can - great. I can't. So are we good now?

ukantor
10-16-2018, 10:03 PM
"Product packaging is the most important part of any product."

I would take issue with that statement. There are many products, like toothpaste, perfume, or chocolate, where the cost of the packaging can be greater than that of the product, but it does not apply to bespoke ukuleles.

Pete Howlett
10-17-2018, 01:50 PM
I find your remarks deeply ironical John as you were one of those on 'cosmos' who delighted in ridiculing my packaging video that used to be on YouTube. That was in the day when anything I posted got flamed and where there seemed to be an intolerance of any criticism of the well meaning but lazy amateur who couldn't be bothered to do their research. Much like what occurred here a few years back and led to many of us full timers recusing ourselves from the 'conversation', leaving it to those with more time and energy to post what has already been posted several times before.

Not hi-jacking your thread Ken but being 'snarky' as it was called on the 'cosmos' which was nothing less than a British weasel word used to justify harsh comments and inappropriate censure from those who felt they occupied the 'top table'. Pity really because that was once a lovely place to post and share story. Interesting that it is barely alive while this forum, with its well moderated content is, despite the ups and downs and sad departure of Rick Turner and rare postings from Chuck and others, still going strong. Yes, I don't contribute like I did (every day) but I still look to all those who do share their knowledge here for inspiration and hope.

Graham Greenbag
10-17-2018, 06:48 PM
Without taking sides I believe that criticism of others (constructive criticism excepted) is generally unhelpful and if not moderated does lead to folk not talking to each other. The moderators here on UU seem to have a light but effective touch and thankfully their action is rarely needed. They have removed the (advertising) post that John was referring to though and its rightful absence might have an effect on current context.

I recall a thread where I was ‘jumped on’ for making an unpopular observation that later proved to be very valid. That type of thing leads to people harbouring grudges and dulls the collaborative spirt that unites us. Suggesting that some amateur builder is lazy might, from the professional’s perspective, contain elements of truth to it. However, sitting at the other side of the table it could feel like a most unjust and unwarranted criticism. Having been criticised by a Ukulele God, and feeling the comment unfair, the victim will likely remember and snipe back at some point; and so totally unnecessary conflict commences.

This is Ken’s thread and I don’t want to divert it further. What I would say about Ken is that he’s a fine example of how to post in ways that are both helpful and (at the same time) none controversial.

As for boxes IMHO their purpose is to protect the valuable content within and as such they need to be reliable and strong enough - and at a good price too. Packaging is, I think, something different and sadly the way something is presented by expert packing can be more important to A SALE than the product within the wrapping. (In his post John too answers the comment "Product packaging is the most important part of any product.")

ukantor
10-17-2018, 08:39 PM
Wow, Pete! That touched a nerve, didn't it? I don't remember the discussion on "Cosmos" to which you refer, but I hope you feel better now you've got it off your chest.

John Colter

Pete Howlett
10-18-2018, 11:38 AM
As I said John - 'snarky'. I had nothing to get off my chest. I will answer directly:

It's important to know that there are two sides to the story and you were, at the time, extremely rude about that video, suggesting strongly that I was being very patronising showing people how to properly ship a ukulele. Because of the 'respect' given to you by Cosmos, and rightly so, you are a maker extraordinaire with some brilliant myth busting ideas, particularly regarding the rule of 18 (John successfully made a Kabose using the rule of 18 instead of 17.834 for fret positioning and produced a perfectly intonnated instrument) the whole shooting match joined in the ridicule. At the time, I was in a hell of a place, struggling on all fronts to keep my life together, involved in a horrendous legal battle and with all this backdrop, trying to keep my ukulele business on track. I was in danger of loosing all and bang, another unjustified and stab at my fragile ego. It really isn't something you are going forget when a community you have served and shared your knowledge with in one pack-like move rounds on you. It was very unpleasant, regrettable and truly unforgettable. You bet it was!

That is when I recused myself from commenting as a professional, answering questions and soon after removed all the training materials I had uploaded to YouTube. Shortly after that, a number of professionals, myself included withdrew from comment here because we felt, and I think it has been proven true that all that has been said has been said. There is nothing to add. I occasionally comment as in this thread, upload what I am doing but have no longer any interest in contributing to the 'building debate'. For me, I have nothing left to say and even if I did , I doubt it would have any effect. Every ukulele I now build is an attempt to maintain a standard and improve.

Disclaimer: These comments are not intended as criticism of the ideas and work shared and expressed here. I believe firmly that the vitality this forum has been sustained because I and others have 'bowed out' leaving room and space for new talent to take the stage. Keep it up. I read with interest what you are all doing. It's time for you to get up onto the shoulders of giants and show us all a better way!

At this juncture I should say I approve of Beau's videos. There is no authoritative free stuff out there from a working professional whose principal output is ukulele and the occasional guitar..

ukantor
10-18-2018, 11:56 AM
Pete, why are you using Ukulele Underground to discuss something that happened some time ago on Ukulele Cosmos? I have tried to find the thread on Cosmos, without success. Can you tell me when it was? I'd like to review what I wrote - and of course, the context within which I wrote it. You make it sound truly awful.

John Colter.

Pete Howlett
10-18-2018, 12:47 PM
UM - I was responding to your challenge. I can do that right?

If you really want to pursue this it was perhaps between 2007 and 2010. Since I deleted my videos and have had several computer crashes since then, I no longer have the original footage. It's irrelevant though isn't it? It's out there somewhere and it is what it is as is my comments above which I stand by. Cosmos at the time was changing, becoming an aggressive arena where if you weren't at the 'top table' you were somehow not considered to have any trusted opinion. I chose to leave.

The problem with Cosmos was Alli's almost 'no moderation' policy which really let things get out of hand until censure came too late. Here, the moderators clamp down and may well now start to look at this thread. If you want me to remove my comments I will. I have no problem with that. If you want me to recant them, I can't. It happened. It was regrettable. I learnt from it and realised that perhaps I was acting as 'the authority' when `I should have been posting as 'an authority'. I've grown up and don't anymore feel a need to tell people how it should be done. Others do that much better than me, have a deeper understanding of acoustics an physics than me and can explain why their ukulele work far better than me (not mine - that is a different thing altogether). My focus is my daily vlog on FaceBook and getting through the day without falling over.

The great thing about the internet - it has an off button!

ukantor
10-18-2018, 01:10 PM
Pete, we have met face to face at least twice since then. I don't understand why you find it necessary to chastise me now, on a different forum. Anyway, I'll save the UU mods from having to do anything about this futile spat. That's my last word on the matter. If you want to take it up in private, I'll give you a hearing - but I'd really rather let it lie.

John Colter.