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RafterGirl
03-06-2019, 05:13 AM
I own a 2006 KoAloha ukulele. I love the way it plays & the way it sounds. It was my first "good" ukulele after starting to play 2 years ago. It's also special because it was a gift from my mom. However, there are three things I wish were different about it. Number one ....I wish it was a satin finish and not gloss. I just don't like gloss necks on my ukuleles. Number two .... I wish it didn't have friction tuners. I like Gotoh UPTs. I know I could change the tuners, but mine has the vintage tuners on it, and changing them out on a 2006 model seems like sacrilege. Number three.... I wish it had a MiSi pick-up. Not a huge deal, but something I'd like. Also something I could change, but finding someone locally that could install one properly would be a challenge.

KoAloha used to make a Pikake model with a satin finish. They changed to the Rosette model to replace the Pikake. The Rosette model is Acacia with ebony appointments. The fret board is koa. The body is made in the Opio factory, the neck and the remaining assembly at KoAloha in Hawaii. I could get one from HMS, have them change out the friction tuners for black Gotoh UPTs that would look cool with the ebony rosette/head stock logo/bridge. Plus, I could add a MiSi pick-up. All of this at a decent price point.

What to do? Do I sell a fantastic ukulele that I love, but that has things that bug me, in the hope of getting exactly the features I want? I'd be giving up a semi-vintage koa ukulele for acacia. I listened to the KoAloha concert sound comparison that SUS put together on YouTube and that gave me a good idea on the sound difference. Acacia was very similar, but a bit more mellow to my ear.

Thoughts? Comments? Am I nuts?

bobhost
03-06-2019, 05:29 AM
Why sell? A gift from Mom will bring you lots of fond memories for a long time.
Just add to the collection.

Croaky Keith
03-06-2019, 05:54 AM
NO!!.....Don't sell it!

Your mum gave it to you & you would regret it forever more, if you did, I'm sure of that.

Buy what you want anew, then, when you have your new one, have a luthier to do the alterations to it - then you'll have two brilliant ukes to cherish. :)

rainbow21
03-06-2019, 05:56 AM
In the NAMM 2019 videos, I believe there was a quick (one sentence or less) mention that the Pikake will be back this year. You might contact Koaloha directly or ask Andrew at HMS. I really love my Pikake concert. Price difference would be worth it over the Acacia.

Graham Greenbag
03-06-2019, 05:57 AM
@Raftergirl. I don’t think that that you’re nuts for wanting a set up that suits you better. My suggestion is that you disregard any potentially adverse impact on resale value, change and modify what you have to suit your needs. Specific historical and investment instruments aside Ukes are, before all other things, there to be played. Changing out the Tuners might seem wrong in some way, but perhaps it can be done in such a way that the originals could be refitted at some future date.

I suggest that you seek out a Luthier to do the work you would like to be done and post it off to them. Enjoy what you have and enjoy the family memories associated with it.

bobhost
03-06-2019, 06:10 AM
Oh, I did put 8x Gotohs on my vintage taropatch.

kohanmike
03-06-2019, 06:39 AM
If there's something about one of my ukes or basses that I don't like and can be changed, I do it without hesitation.

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gochugogi
03-06-2019, 07:06 AM
A 2006 KoAloha isn't remotely vintage. If I loved the instrument, I'd do the upgrades and pronto. If you're worried about the value, those upgrades will make it even more valuable if you ever sell it. All those upgrades could be done in a day by a good luthier or tech, including making the neck satin/matte. On another note, I had a guitar with a satin neck and I played it so much it became glossy...

rubykey
03-06-2019, 07:55 AM
Sounds to me like you want to let it go. Someone's going to get a great deal.
Have you contacted KoAloha? The company is highly unusual in that they really really really want you to be happy with their instrument. Once you own a KoAloha you are part of the family. I love my KoAlana mahogany. It came with a satin finish. And like another poster said, the neck glossed up from human contact. It actually looks like it was finished that way. I don't understand the problem of the friction tuner especially because KoAloha stays in tune. But that topic has been discussed ad nauseam. For me I don't like the 5-point crown but I just ignore it. KoAloha sent me an Acacia Opio. I think it was semi-gloss. I didn't like that and I absolutely could not stand the tone of Acacia. It was supposed to be an upgraded replacement for KoAlana that had issues. We all have our preferences. And we all seem to like discussing them on the forum. Having an older instrument means that the wood has opened up and it's living up to its potential. But if you want to replace it with something else I think you should. We live in a disposable society. That's what's making you crazy. The constant temptation to change and try something else.
You did ask the philosophical question.

RafterGirl
03-06-2019, 08:24 AM
Thanks for all the advice everyone. I think rubykey hit the nail on the head .......the constant temptation to change and try something else. The search for perfection in all aspects of the instrument. One of my favorite sayings keeps sticking in my head ......"The enemy of good, is better."

As many of you have reminded me, this ukulele has sentimental value. That should outweigh the things that aren't perfect about it. Two of the three things can be remedied with some research & leg work. I'll start with that.

Plus I have a new Kumu concert hopefully arriving today. That should wet my appetite for awhile.

Desmodromic
03-06-2019, 09:02 AM
Lots of great advice here. I'm with those who suggest making it your own - meaning, mod it however you like. As it was a gift, you 1) may be less likely to sell it (might feel weird) and 2) you're not really losing out regardless what happens to the "value." Pickup and tuners are relatively easy, just need to find a decent luthier to help out. The neck isn't a big deal either, honestly. Lots of guitar players will use 0000 steel wool to "satin" a glossy or sticky neck. I've played many electric guitars that had this kind of treatment and they are a joy to play. The same luthier you use for the tuner swap and pickup install will likely be familiar with this same type of satin or steel wool treatment on the neck.

Not a huge jump to turn your sentimentally special uke into one that checks all the boxes. Go for it!

AQUATOPAZ
03-06-2019, 09:05 AM
Your mother would want you to thoroughly enjoy her gift. Have the tuners you want put on the uke, put the misi on it, and enjoy it. There is no sacrilege in getting it the way you want it. Your mother would be happy for you to get it the way you need to play it more.

Jeffelele
03-06-2019, 03:22 PM
I’m with the change it to suit you people.

I’ve read about getting the gloss off the neck. Seems doable. Its your uke so you can give yourself permission to change tuners.

If this was a gift I had given to my daughter who then modded it I would be pleased she liked it enough to really fine tune it to her wants.

70sSanO
03-06-2019, 03:52 PM
You’ll never get the neck to remain satin because you will eventually hand rub it back to a gloss... lol. But it will have a different feel. I don’t like plastic feeling gloss necks. I would imagine some 0000 steel wool would knock the gloss finish down. But follow your research.

John

Gmontema
03-06-2019, 05:07 PM
I’m as cheap/practical as they come. That said there is an exquisite joy that comes from variety and from making a uke your own. I get both sides. Right now, enjoy your new uke and when you get restless then revisit the question.Who knows, perhaps your ear and preferences would have changed by that time. Enjoy the journey!

peterbright
03-06-2019, 05:29 PM
Steel wool on the neck and buy the tuners you want...simple...the uke gods want you to be happy.

Jan D
03-06-2019, 05:48 PM
It's quite likely that if you made all three of the desired changes to your KoAloha, your mother won't even notice. If you sell it, THAT she WILL notice. You already love how the uke sounds and plays. Just go for it; change the things you don't like, and then love the heck out the new and improved version!
Jan D.

Jerryc41
03-07-2019, 12:41 AM
Why sell? A gift from Mom will bring you lots of fond memories for a long time.
Just add to the collection.

You took the words right out of my mouth. And this uke is not one that would be easily replaceable if Raftergirl changes her mind.

I have a KoAloha from about 2006 with those white tuners, and I'm going to keep them, although I prefer the modern amber - or even Gotohs.

Jerryc41
03-07-2019, 12:42 AM
Keep what you have, and buy what you want.

DownUpDave
03-07-2019, 01:05 AM
It has already been said but I will pile on........keep it and make the changes neccassary to the way you want it.

Ziret
03-07-2019, 04:50 AM
Can you get a pickup installed as well? I think that would make it three out of three.


Thanks for all the advice everyone. I think rubykey hit the nail on the head .......the constant temptation to change and try something else.

Two of the three things can be remedied with some research & leg work. I'll start with that.

Plus I have a new Kumu concert hopefully arriving today. That should wet my appetite for awhile.

RafterGirl
03-08-2019, 09:01 AM
Where to people buy the replacement Gotoh UPT tuners?

Jerryc41
03-08-2019, 09:38 AM
Where to people buy the replacement Gotoh UPT tuners?

Hawaii Music Supply is a good source. They are $59, and delivery is fast. You pay for shipping, and your choices are limited to what they have in stock. If you must have a specific color combination, order from the factory in Japan. They will cost $100 or more and take a couple of months to arrive, but you will get exactly what you want.

Be sure to measure the thickness of the headstock and specify either long or regular. Better too long that too short.

glennerd
03-08-2019, 10:24 AM
Hawaii Music Supply is a good source. They are $59, and delivery is fast. You pay for shipping, and your choices are limited to what they have in stock. If you must have a specific color combination, order from the factory in Japan. They will cost $100 or more and take a couple of months to arrive, but you will get exactly what you want.

Be sure to measure the thickness of the headstock and specify either long or regular. Better too long that too short.

Also, the diameter of UPTs are larger so generally the holes have to be reamed out to fit them.

Jerryc41
03-08-2019, 11:02 AM
Also, the diameter of UPTs are larger so generally the holes have to be reamed out to fit them.

Slowly and gently. Keep Reaming and trying. When you find the right size hole, mark the reamer with tape, and cut each hole until it gets to the tape. Still, you should keep checking as you go.

kkimura
03-08-2019, 04:39 PM
StewMac also sells Gotoh UTP tuners as well as the reamer if you need a tool to widen the tuner hole properly.

RafterGirl
03-08-2019, 06:22 PM
I wouldn’t do any of this myself. I would buy the Gotoh UPTs and MiSi pick-up and have a luthier do the installation. I had already checked Stew-Mac but they don’t have UPTs on their website. So far HMS & Elderly have the UPTs, but not all choices in stock.

Kenn2018
03-08-2019, 06:23 PM
I bought my Gotoh UPTL Ukulele Planetary Tuners Black Finish with Black Oval Button from Lucysukulele on Ebay. They were $68 USD plus $4 shipping. They arrived in 5 days.

Her site had a wider selection of sizes and styles than HMS' The Ukulele Site (And easier to select what you want.) HMS was out of the ones I wanted.
StewMac and Elderly were also out of stock of the black-long with black oval buttons.

Lucysukulele also has Freemont strings (I bought some black fluorocarbons). And some other ukulele accessories. Great service. Competitive prices.

Jerryc41
03-09-2019, 12:06 AM
I bought my Gotoh UPTL Ukulele Planetary Tuners Black Finish with Black Oval Button from Lucysukulele on Ebay. They were $68 USD plus $4 shipping. They arrived in 5 days.

Thanks for that.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=gotoh+tuners+upt&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=0&_odkw=gotoh+tuners&LH_TitleDesc=0

kkimura
03-09-2019, 01:06 AM
I wouldn’t do any of this myself. I would buy the Gotoh UPTs and MiSi pick-up and have a luthier do the installation. I had already checked Stew-Mac but they don’t have UPTs on their website. So far HMS & Elderly have the UPTs, but not all choices in stock.

You're right. No UTPs at Stew-Mac. Dunno where I got that idea. And, having a luthier do the work leverages off their experience for a clean install. (I'm a DIY guy sometimes to my downfall)

Desmodromic
03-09-2019, 05:17 AM
Gotoh UPT and even UPT buttons (if you want to change color) are available via japarts.ca as well. I was recently quoted around $89 for a set of four UPTs, shipped to the US. Around $28 shipped for a ser of four buttons. Not the cheapest option, but it sounds like they can get most variants if you are after something specific.

Desmodromic
03-09-2019, 05:19 AM
You’ll never get the neck to remain satin because you will eventually hand rub it back to a gloss... lol. But it will have a different feel. I don’t like plastic feeling gloss necks. I would imagine some 0000 steel wool would knock the gloss finish down. But follow your research.

Speaking from experience, your first statement is true to some degree (it takes longer than you might think), but the fact is that it takes less than one minute to hit it with the steel wool again and bring back that silky smooth feeling. I've had many guitars with necks that have been "smoothed" with steel wool this way and they are a joy. YMMV, of course.

frolicks
03-09-2019, 01:46 PM
I absolutely support the keep party here. A gift, especially one you‘re really happy with, shouldn‘t be sold. And as you already decided on having a specialist doing all the adjustments, I‘m sure you won‘t regret that decision.
In fact, I do own a Koaloha myself which I had made a few adjustments on. It‘s a KSM-T2, the koa soprano body with a tenor neck. It had the regular geared tuners which are on all Koaloha tenor necks. But whereas the tuners are certainly fine on a regular tenor model, they absolutely weren‘t on the much lighter soprano body. They were way to heavy. So I found someone who replaced the really heavy original tuners (all four together have around 120g - that‘s quite a bit for a uke that weighs around 500gs in total!) with much lighter friction (with white buttons, by the way).

DOing it the other way round shouldn‘t be a problem for a specialist. Just keep in mind that you will need the Gotoh UPTL models, the longer ones, as the Koaloha‘s headstock is really very thick. The regular UPTs won‘t work here.

So the tuners as well as the MISI won‘t be an issue, I‘m sure.

I used to prefer Satin finishes over glossy ones myself. But I changed my attitude here. As I have quite sweaty hands (well, obviously...), my Ukes - and really all my ukes I play regularly - develop shiny, glossy spots below the soundhole and neck. In fact, I can easily tell which uke I play very often (and of course, which ones I don‘t) just from the glossy spots.
As I‘m not worried about the looks of my instruments, I don‘t care too much. An instrument is meant to be played, and I don’t mind seeing the traces of my using it. But I realise, it‘s much more practical to have a glossy finish in the first place. My Opio concert, for example, used to have a satin finish originally. Meanwhile, after about two years of serious playing (daily for some time, now at least two to three times a week), it‘s really become glossy around the soundhole as well as at the back of the soundboard, the part where my arm usually rests. And at the neck, of course. That‘s happened to an extent, that I‘m seriously contemplating just finishing the job with very fine steel wool, and to get a glossy look for the whole instrument. But that‘s just a matter of taste, of course. You can also renew the satin look with some really fine steel wool, too.

Nickie
03-09-2019, 04:01 PM
Raftergirl, these are good suggestions.
I'm glad you decided to keep the uke and modify it to suit you.
I don't like the idea of simply using steel wool to make a neck feel satin. My luthier peeled the finish right off two of my necks with sandpaper, waxed them up real good. The contrast of the bare wood with the rest of the neck (heel and headstock) looks really cool.
I've never regretted it, the necks are very fast now!

DPO
03-09-2019, 04:07 PM
Raftergirl, these are good suggestions.
I'm glad you decided to keep the uke and modify it to suit you.
I don't like the idea of simply using steel wool to make a neck feel satin. My luthier peeled the finish right off two of my necks with sandpaper, waxed them up real good. The contrast of the bare wood with the rest of the neck (heel and headstock) looks really cool.
I've never regretted it, the necks are very fast now!

When using 0000 steel wool it pays to load the wool up with beeswax, for a super smooth finish.

RafterGirl
03-11-2019, 03:20 PM
I absolutely support the keep party here. A gift, especially one you‘re really happy with, shouldn‘t be sold. And as you already decided on having a specialist doing all the adjustments, I‘m sure you won‘t regret that decision.
In fact, I do own a Koaloha myself which I had made a few adjustments on. It‘s a KSM-T2, the koa soprano body with a tenor neck. It had the regular geared tuners which are on all Koaloha tenor necks. But whereas the tuners are certainly fine on a regular tenor model, they absolutely weren‘t on the much lighter soprano body. They were way to heavy. So I found someone who replaced the really heavy original tuners (all four together have around 120g - that‘s quite a bit for a uke that weighs around 500gs in total!) with much lighter friction (with white buttons, by the way).

DOing it the other way round shouldn‘t be a problem for a specialist. Just keep in mind that you will need the Gotoh UPTL models, the longer ones, as the Koaloha‘s headstock is really very thick. The regular UPTs won‘t work here.

So the tuners as well as the MISI won‘t be an issue, I‘m sure.

I used to prefer Satin finishes over glossy ones myself. But I changed my attitude here. As I have quite sweaty hands (well, obviously...), my Ukes - and really all my ukes I play regularly - develop shiny, glossy spots below the soundhole and neck. In fact, I can easily tell which uke I play very often (and of course, which ones I don‘t) just from the glossy spots.
As I‘m not worried about the looks of my instruments, I don‘t care too much. An instrument is meant to be played, and I don’t mind seeing the traces of my using it. But I realise, it‘s much more practical to have a glossy finish in the first place. My Opio concert, for example, used to have a satin finish originally. Meanwhile, after about two years of serious playing (daily for some time, now at least two to three times a week), it‘s really become glossy around the soundhole as well as at the back of the soundboard, the part where my arm usually rests. And at the neck, of course. That‘s happened to an extent, that I‘m seriously contemplating just finishing the job with very fine steel wool, and to get a glossy look for the whole instrument. But that‘s just a matter of taste, of course. You can also renew the satin look with some really fine steel wool, too.
According to HMS, regular UPTs are the recommended size for Koaloha concert. I stopped by my local acoustic guitar & uke shop. I spoke with the shop technician. He said I was the second ukulele person to talk to him about UPT tuners recently. He will be installing them on an older Martin as well. He is familiar with MiSi & LR Baggs pick-ups. Now to decide between the amber tuners or the ivory tulip shape.

RafterGirl
03-12-2019, 01:42 PM
Confirmed with Joel at HMS today. UPT short are the ones to use on a KoAloha concert. UPTL are too long.

shanmoon
03-12-2019, 02:07 PM
I agree with gochugogi. I've got a beautiful Kamaka Ohta-San from around 2004 I bought used. It already had the tuners switched out for UPTs, which I love. I had a luthier install an LR Baggs FIVE.O pickup on it. It's no longer the pure acoustic Kamaka it was, but I like it better this way!

RafterGirl
03-12-2019, 02:56 PM
I agree with gochugogi. I've got a beautiful Kamaka Ohta-San from around 2004 I bought used. It already had the tuners switched out for UPTs, which I love. I had a luthier install an LR Baggs FIVE.O pickup on it. It's no longer the pure acoustic Kamaka it was, but I like it better this way!
The change to UPTs is definite. I’ve had a couple ukes with them & like them. The pick-up install is probable. My Moon Bird covers most all of the bases when I plug in to play at church, but there are times when I’d like that KoAloha sparkle.

zztush
03-12-2019, 11:46 PM
Hi, RafterGirl! UPT is easy to install by ourselves. Even Dave the rich man has installed them by himself. We only need gimlet and taper reamer (See the photo below). My taper reamer is 3 to 12 mm size.

Step1 (Photo 1): Ream the hole. We just need one way, because we need to expand only on the bottom side. We do not need to ream top side.
Step2 (Photo 2): Make a hole (large circle) for the thorn of UPT with gimlet.


https://i.ibb.co/02yq3XJ/2.png (https://ibb.co/9gHnjvY)

Jerryc41
03-13-2019, 12:48 AM
Step1 (Photo 1): Ream the hole. We just need one way, because we need to expand only on the bottom side. We do not need to ream top side.


Very good point.

RafterGirl
03-16-2019, 03:06 AM
I stopped in at my local acoustic guitar/ukulele shop last week & talked with the technician. He can do the tuner & pickup install. I've ordered Gotoh UPT short tuners in chrome with amber buttons. My KoAloha has a very amber-ish color to it, so I think these will look good. I shopped around for the MiSi pick-up and found the best price & in stock at Mainland. Hopefully I'll have the parts sometime next week. I'll report back when the work is complete & post results & pictures. Thanks to everyone for the advice.

DownUpDave
03-16-2019, 03:22 AM
I stopped in at my local acoustic guitar/ukulele shop last week & talked with the technician. He can do the tuner & pickup install. I've ordered Gotoh UPT short tuners in chrome with amber buttons. My KoAloha has a very amber-ish color to it, so I think these will look good. I shopped around for the MiSi pick-up and found the best price & in stock at Mainland. Hopefully I'll have the parts sometime next week. I'll report back when the work is complete & post results & pictures. Thanks to everyone for the advice.

Congratulation, you have done the right thing and will be so pleased with the results. Enjoy then "new" instrument for many years

Nickie
03-16-2019, 02:58 PM
I stopped in at my local acoustic guitar/ukulele shop last week & talked with the technician. He can do the tuner & pickup install. I've ordered Gotoh UPT short tuners in chrome with amber buttons. My KoAloha has a very amber-ish color to it, so I think these will look good. I shopped around for the MiSi pick-up and found the best price & in stock at Mainland. Hopefully I'll have the parts sometime next week. I'll report back when the work is complete & post results & pictures. Thanks to everyone for the advice.

Thanks for the info. Our Ubass needs a new pickup, and we haven't been able to find one!

Snargle
03-16-2019, 03:06 PM
I recently had Gotoh UPTL (long) tuners installed on my KoAloha Concert. The size was not a problem; in fact, I'm not sure that the UPT (short) models would be long enough. They look and work great. I did get the amber buttons (tuners purchased from japarts) and although the color is similar to the original KoAloha tuner buttons, they're a little smaller and not quite so bright and garish. I like these tuners a lot and I love the improvement over the original friction tuners.

glennerd
03-16-2019, 04:19 PM
I stopped in at my local acoustic guitar/ukulele shop last week & talked with the technician. He can do the tuner & pickup install. I've ordered Gotoh UPT short tuners in chrome with amber buttons. My KoAloha has a very amber-ish color to it, so I think these will look good. I shopped around for the MiSi pick-up and found the best price & in stock at Mainland. Hopefully I'll have the parts sometime next week. I'll report back when the work is complete & post results & pictures. Thanks to everyone for the advice.

I'm sure you'll like the amber buttons (they're smaller), but FYI, in case you decide you miss the original KoAloha buttons, mine fit on the UPTs.

RafterGirl
03-16-2019, 04:36 PM
I recently had Gotoh UPTL (long) tuners installed on my KoAloha Concert. The size was not a problem; in fact, I'm not sure that the UPT (short) models would be long enough. They look and work great. I did get the amber buttons (tuners purchased from japarts) and although the color is similar to the original KoAloha tuner buttons, they're a little smaller and not quite so bright and garish. I like these tuners a lot and I love the improvement over the original friction tuners.
I double checked with Joel at HMS about the size. He said regular UPT not the longs. He does this change on KoAloha concerts a lot. He has a video on HMS website on how to do the tuner change. The ukulele he’s using in the video is a KoAloha concert & he’s using regular UPTs on it. Glad to hear that the amber buttons look nice.


I'm sure you'll like the amber buttons (they're smaller), but FYI, in case you decide you miss the original KoAloha buttons, mine fit on the UPTs.
Mine has the old style big white buttons with the logo & large screws.

zztush
03-16-2019, 08:25 PM
Hi, RafterGirl!

Most of the ukuleles are ok with UPT. I have both UPT and UPTL.

https://i.ibb.co/Kz9jdQw/2.png (https://imgbb.com/)

frolicks
03-17-2019, 12:25 AM
I was surprised to hear, that UPTs should be lonng enough. I know the dimensions zztush posted, and I measured the heastock of my Koaloha KSM-T2 (soprano with tenor neck) 2016 model, and the headstock has more than 14mm, nearly 14,5, in fact, that’s about 0,56inch. I‘m talking about the thickness here. That is the reason I dropped the idea of having UPTs or even UPTLs installed on it last year.

But I measured it again (still about 14,5mm) and compared iit to my Opio concert, and voilá: the concert‘s head has slightly less than 12mm, so,, of course, the UPTs will be fine. Should have measured before, but I was cconvinced that Koaloha would use the same head on all models. Sorry fofr the confusion!

Jerryc41
03-17-2019, 12:54 AM
I recently had Gotoh UPTL (long) tuners installed on my KoAloha Concert. The size was not a problem; in fact, I'm not sure that the UPT (short) models would be long enough

I've used the long Gotohs on everything except a Ken Timms, which will require the short ones. (although I never put them on a KoAloha) I'd rather have more post than less, but if HMS says short will work for KoAloha, I won't disagree with them.

zztush
03-17-2019, 12:56 AM
Hi, flolicks! Thank you for the reply.

I have a guitalele which has a 14mm headstock. I installed UPTLs without washer (See the photo right). If we remove washer, 0.5mm is ok. :-)

https://i.ibb.co/RDTDSF6/2.png (https://ibb.co/71t1zfp)

Jerryc41
03-17-2019, 01:42 AM
Hi, flolicks! Thank you for the reply.

I have a guitalele which has a 14mm headstock. I installed UPTLs without washer (See the photo right). If we remove washer, 0.5mm is ok. :-)

https://i.ibb.co/RDTDSF6/2.png (https://ibb.co/71t1zfp)

I recall reading an article about someone who recessed a short tuner into the headstock to allow more post to be exposed on the top.

RafterGirl
03-17-2019, 02:22 AM
I was surprised to hear, that UPTs should be lonng enough. I know the dimensions zztush posted, and I measured the heastock of my Koaloha KSM-T2 (soprano with tenor neck) 2016 model, and the headstock has more than 14mm, nearly 14,5, in fact, that’s about 0,56inch. I‘m talking about the thickness here. That is the reason I dropped the idea of having UPTs or even UPTLs installed on it last year.

But I measured it again (still about 14,5mm) and compared iit to my Opio concert, and voilá: the concert‘s head has slightly less than 12mm, so,, of course, the UPTs will be fine. Should have measured before, but I was cconvinced that Koaloha would use the same head on all models. Sorry fofr the confusion!

I had measured the headstock on my 2006 KoAloha concert (not Opio) and it measures between 11-12mm. Definitely not more than 12mm. After seeing all these posts about using the UPTL on KoAloha ukes, I decided to email Joel at HMS before I ordered them. I figured he does them quite a lot, and his video shows him putting regular UPTs on a KoAloha concert. This was his response "The regular UPT size works best. That gives you the best angle for the strings as they pass over the nut and attach to the tuning posts."
Hopefully I ordered correctly. We shall see.

PS - I have an Opio long neck soprano on order from HMS as we speak & he's putting UPTs on that. My first choice would have been the chrome with amber buttons, or even the chrome with ivory buttons, but they didn't have them in stock when I ordered. I went with all black, but added a note to use one of my other choices if they came in. It will be a surprise when I open the box. Either way, they won't be friction tuners.