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UkingViking
03-24-2019, 10:13 AM
Since the tablature thread got hijacked for a chord sheet debate, I though I would start a dedicated thread for chord sheets. With a poll.

How do you prefer your chord sheets:
With chord above the lyrics or in line with the lyrics?

Addtional info on where you find chords and what software you write your lyrics and chord sheets will be cool.

Personally, I prefer them above the lyrics.
I find the chords in the usual guitar chord pages after Google search.
I always copy paste them into Notepad, always in Courier New to avoid format problems. Usually I print directly from Notepad, but occasionally I copy into OpenOffice to create columns. Still in Courier New, but perhaps I make the title a bigger font. From OpenOffice I make a PDF to print.

jimavery
03-24-2019, 12:00 PM
I like mine inline as chord diagrams so I don't have to remember what tuning I'm in. Also there are so many chords that can have more than one name. This way all I need to remember when playing are the shapes.

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It's a bit more work marking up songs in this way, but way easier to play if the song has lots of different jazzy chords in it.

I made all the chord diagrams in Microsoft Paint, and use Microsoft Word to type up the songsheets, saving them as .PDF so I can load them in to MobileSheets.

p.s. that earlier example was done in Google Docs. This one was in Word with chord diagrams in Paint:

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DownUpDave
03-24-2019, 12:37 PM
Oh dear Lord just the chord name please ie...... C or F or G etc. and ONLY!!!!! above the lyrics. You get the feeling this might be a pet peeve of mine :p

kohanmike
03-24-2019, 01:42 PM
Above, the examples Jim shows is just the reason why, for me the lyrics are much harder to track, plus putting everything above allows for adding extra measures of the same chord.

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Arcy
03-24-2019, 03:33 PM
I write things out in chordpro format in a text editor and then convert to PDF with the Chordpro command line app from chordpro.org. I save to my OneDrive and sync to forscore to display on iPad. The Chordpro text format is human readable with in-line chord names, and the PDF has nicely formatted chord names above the lyric.

It can include a chord cheat sheat to the side or above, and I sometimes mark up unusual chords with the pen after.

zztush
03-24-2019, 04:39 PM
I use ChordPro format too. I prefer Above the lyrics style, but I do not often convert them to above the lyrics style. I use them without conversion. Because we can edit and print very easily with text editors.

https://i.ibb.co/PccxQhp/2.png (https://imgbb.com/)

ChordSmith is better than ChordPro on Japanese characters.

mikelz777
03-24-2019, 06:17 PM
I much prefer them in line with the lyrics. It's much more precise and the chord changes won't change even if the formatting is different/changed. Sometimes that will get messed up when the chords are above the lyrics. Also, I print out my songs sheets and place them in a 3-ring binder. When you place the chords in line with the lyrics they take up only half the space of putting the chords above the lyrics. I like to get a song on 1 sheet whenever possible. I put chord diagrams on the bottom of the page.

UkingViking
03-24-2019, 08:20 PM
I much prefer them in line with the lyrics. It's much more precise and the chord changes won't change even if the formatting is different/changed. Sometimes that will get messed up when the chords are above the lyrics. Also, I print out my songs sheets and place them in a 3-ring binder. When you place the chords in line with the lyrics they take up only half the space of putting the chords above the lyrics. I like to get a song on 1 sheet whenever possible. I put chord diagrams on the bottom of the page.

I also like to have my chord sheet on one page if possible.

But rather than putting the chords in line, I tend to cut down on the info. Like only putting the chords in the first verse if they are the same, and not repeating the chorus text, but just write [Chorus] when it is repeated.

I guess that that can be annoying if you dont like it too.

Croaky Keith
03-24-2019, 11:23 PM
Since the tablature thread got hijacked for a chord sheet debate, I though I would start a dedicated thread for chord sheets. With a poll.

How do you prefer your chord sheets:
With chord above the lyrics or in line with the lyrics?

If I am going to write out a song, the best place for the chord is where you are/should play it, & since some write them out in a computer editor, the best place for the chords is definitely inline, (that way they stay where they should be if you post online).

You are reading along the words & have to change chord, so that is the most logical place to put them! :p

TopDog
03-25-2019, 12:23 AM
I make my sheets for our small group, by putting the Chord NAME above the lyrics,where it fits and/or changes. I then add chord diagrams down the side of the sheet. This has worked for the two groups I have been involved with for the past ten years or more,so it suits me,and the other members!

uke51
03-25-2019, 02:31 AM
Definately ABOVE

Jerryc41
03-25-2019, 02:43 AM
I like mine inline as chord diagrams so I don't have to remember what tuning I'm in. Also there are so many chords that can have more than one name. This way all I need to remember when playing are the shapes.

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It's a bit more work marking up songs in this way, but way easier to play if the song has lots of different jazzy chords in it.

I made all the chord diagrams in Microsoft Paint, and use Microsoft Word to type up the songsheets...

This site lets you save the images of the chords you want and just pop them onto the page wherever you want them.

https://ukulele-chords.com/

My preference for having the chords on the same line as the words is simply to save space.

Lacole
03-25-2019, 05:41 AM
I would use lyrics with chord above the lyrics if it also had chord diagrams.

bobhost
03-25-2019, 07:32 AM
I voted 'Above' but what I really want is:

Melody line
Lyrics below the melody line
Chord names above the melody line
Chord diagrams somewhere on the same sheet, usually below the song title



Sample as in the Can't Help Falling in Love
https://i.ibb.co/BK8tc7H/Sample-Muse-Score.png (https://ibb.co/S7qP51D)

Rllink
03-25-2019, 07:54 AM
Oh dear Lord just the chord name please ie...... C or F or G etc. and ONLY!!!!! above the lyrics. You get the feeling this might be a pet peeve of mine :pI agree with Dave. If I don't know how to play the chord, I'll learn it before I start playing the song. I don't need chord charts above the words. Same with having the chord charts at the top of the page. Just wasting space.

UkingViking
03-25-2019, 08:47 AM
I voted 'Above' but what I really want is:

Melody line
Lyrics below the melody line
Chord names above the melody line
Chord diagrams somewhere on the same sheet, usually below the song title



Sample as in the Can't Help Falling in Love
https://i.ibb.co/BK8tc7H/Sample-Muse-Score.png (https://ibb.co/S7qP51D)

Yeah, I prefer that too, but it is really more a lead sheet with extra chords diagrams on top, not a basic chord-lyrics sheet. I never saw a lead sheet with the chord named in line with the lyrics.

Nice to have though!

UkingViking
03-25-2019, 08:57 AM
I agree with Dave. If I don't know how to play the chord, I'll learn it before I start playing the song. I don't need chord charts above the words. Same with having the chord charts at the top of the page. Just wasting space.

A purist!
While I find chord diagrams above the lyrics distracting, the quick reference on top of the page is pretty neat when you are trying to learn a jazz standard with 12+ different chords, most of them unusual chords you rarely use.

Odd chords I usually only learn when needed for a song. It might be cheating, but so is using tabs in stead of staff notation. I like shortcuts.

Rllink
03-25-2019, 09:22 AM
A purist!
While I find chord diagrams above the lyrics distracting, the quick reference on top of the page is pretty neat when you are trying to learn a jazz standard with 12+ different chords, most of them unusual chords you rarely use.

Odd chords I usually only learn when needed for a song. It might be cheating, but so is using tabs in stead of staff notation. I like shortcuts.

Not a purist. I'm sure that if I was out doing jazz standard with twelve unusual and seldom used chords, it would be handy to have chord charts close so that I could quickly refer to them. Happily, that's not what I do, so my needs are much more simple.

jimavery
03-26-2019, 11:35 AM
Oh dear Lord just the chord name please ie...... C or F or G etc. and ONLY!!!!! above the lyrics. You get the feeling this might be a pet peeve of mine :p

Pedant! :rolleyes:

Kenn2018
03-26-2019, 12:17 PM
Being a relative beginner, I prefer the chords inline so I know when to change them. I like having the lesser-known (to me) chords at the side or top of the page for reference.

I find that when I perform in front of an audience, my brain will sometimes freeze up and I will forget even simple chords like an Em7 in the heat of the moment. Even after practicing the song several times a day for 5 or 6 days. I also like to have the time signature and first note for singing, especially if I am performing with others.

I often format a song to print on two pages so I can increase the font size to make it easier to read. I also like to have the chorus in full every time it is sung so I don't have to visually find it and then come back to the correct verse.

I prefer to have a printed-out song in a binder. That way, I don't have to change pages in the middle of the song. And there are no batteries/power to go dead at the worst possible time.

I don't blank as often as I used to. But there are still times... :confused:

rickyfreeman
03-26-2019, 01:27 PM
I like in line but I just use the nashville number system, 1, 4, 5 instead ofwriting chord names. That way no matter what instrument I am using or key we are going to pkay in I can use it easily.

MopMan
03-26-2019, 02:03 PM
Oh dear Lord just the chord name please ie...... C or F or G etc. and ONLY!!!!! above the lyrics. You get the feeling this might be a pet peeve of mine :p
What you are asking for is (or should be) the standard for notation. I can understand your peeve. I would go further and ask for a proper lead sheet.



I use ChordPro format too. I prefer Above the lyrics style, but I do not often convert them to above the lyrics style. I use them without conversion. Because we can edit and print very easily with text editors.
A sensible position.



I voted 'Above' but what I really want is:

Melody line
Lyrics below the melody line
Chord names above the melody line
Chord diagrams somewhere on the same sheet, usually below the song title


This is the right answer! Lead sheet format, with a chord cheat sheet married to the lead sheet. I wish all online tabs were written like this.



I like in line but I just use the nashville number system, 1, 4, 5 instead ofwriting chord names. That way no matter what instrument I am using or key we are going to pkay in I can use it easily.
This is convenient for more advanced musicians, but might be difficult for beginners.


I think what we have here is a mess instigated by the lack of an easy and accessible standard for musical notation online, exacerbated by a war between folks attempting to cram musical notation into plaintext, and amplified by the preferences of those who did not have the benefit of learning with properly formatted lead sheets.

No easy solutions here, but I must say the state of online song "tabs" is quite disappointing. Most of the time, the chords aren't even correct.

Jim Yates
03-26-2019, 06:36 PM
MopMan, I have not seen many online uke tabs. There are quite a few for guitar and 5 string banjo, but most uke songs are just chords and lyrics, although BobHost did post a tab here for Rainbow Connection.

I do agree that many online chord progressions are not very good. I prefer to make my own using the chord progressions I like and in the key that's most comfortable.

Below is a sample of how I write them out. I try to include the songwriter's name(s). I hate to see a song credited to someone who happens to have sung it, while the composer's name is left out. YouTube is notorious for this.

It's Only A Paper Moon E.Y. Harburg, Billy Rose & Harold Arlen

(C) Say, it’s (C#dim) only a (Dm) paper(G7) moon (Dm)
Sailing (G7) over a (C) card(G7)board (C) sea
(Gm) But it (C7) wouldn’t be (F) make be(D7)lieve
If (G7) you believed in (C) me. (G7)

(C) Yes, it’s (C#dim) only a (Dm) canvas (G7) sky (Dm)
Hanging (G7) over a (C) mu(G7)slin (C) tree
(Gm) But it (C7) wouldn’t be (F) make be(D7)lieve
If (G7) you believed in (C) me. (C7)

With(F)out (F#dim) your (C) love, (C6)
It’s a (Dm) honky(G7)tonk pa(C)rade. (C7)
With(F)out (F#dim) your (C) love, (C6)
It’s a (Em) melody (A7) played in a (Dm) penny at(G7)cade.

(C) It’s a (C#dim) Barnum and (Dm) Bailey (G7) world, (Dm)
Just as (G7) phony as (C) it (G7) can (C) be
(Gm) But it (C7) wouldn’t be (F) make be(D7)lieve
If (G7) you believed, if (G#7) you believed,
If (G7) you believed in (C) me. (G7) (C)

UkingViking
03-26-2019, 09:00 PM
@MopMan
The way the word "tab" made it's way into descriptions of chord/lyrics sheets and lead sheets, I suggest you read the recent "Tablature" thread. Most things posted on webpages intended for tabs does not have any tabs on them.

I also prefer proper lead sheets with the melody line, but beggars can't be choosers. They are readily available if you are willing to pay for them. There are copyright holders and people doing the graphics, who need to earn a buck. When browsing user uploaded free material, you have to make do.

MopMan
03-27-2019, 05:22 PM
I do agree that many online chord progressions are not very good. I prefer to make my own using the chord progressions I like and in the key that's most comfortable.

Below is a sample of how I write them out. I try to include the songwriter's name(s). I hate to see a song credited to someone who happens to have sung it, while the composer's name is left out. YouTube is notorious for this.

I also have taken to making my own transcriptions of things, and like you I always make sure to credit the songwriter(s) at the top even though I know I'm probably the only one who will ever see them.




The way the word "tab" made it's way into descriptions of chord/lyrics sheets and lead sheets, I suggest you read the recent "Tablature" thread. Most things posted on webpages intended for tabs does not have any tabs on them.

I agree the word "tab" is used loosely(incorrectly) online, but it does make a convenient word to refer to what you might otherwise call a "chord/lyrics sheet." That's whay I gave it the quotes above: they aren't really tabs but that's what folks are calling them. I never expect to see real tablature unless the word "tablature" is used.




I also prefer proper lead sheets with the melody line, but beggars can't be choosers. They are readily available if you are willing to pay for them. There are copyright holders and people doing the graphics, who need to earn a buck. When browsing user uploaded free material, you have to make do.
Too true. We should be grateful there are any free resources available at all.

Jerryc41
03-28-2019, 12:41 AM
I agree the word "tab" is used loosely(incorrectly) online, but it does make a convenient word to refer to what you might otherwise call a "chord/lyrics sheet."

The keyboard has a TAB key. Wouldn't it be nice if we could hit that key and then type in the name of the chord we want and have the little box appear? I save those chord boxes as JPEGS and add them when I type out a song.

This site offers the chords.
https://ukulele-chords.com/

bunnyf
03-28-2019, 03:50 AM
Different formats for different purposes. For general use, I want one copy that has inline chords and reduced to its simplest form for large font one page viewing. This is my go to copy for jamming or performing. I dont need diagrams and chords above just wastes precious space. If the intro or instrumental break is just verse chords, I write that “v.chords”; I dont rewrite repeated choruses or verses, I just indicate “rep. CH” Its just something to glance at if I blank or if its a song I dont play much.

I copy and paste from the usual sites country song sheets (classic country, cowboy chords, etc). I often check a few different versions then on ultimate guitar, if I’m looking to check out an intro or break or just verify details. I put it in Onsong, which has the feature that you can change any song to inline or above line chord names or nashville#s, as well as inline/above line diagrams or just diagrams at top or bottom. It just takes a few clicks to change. If I am playing something with many tricky, rarely used chords I will put them at the top. Another nice feature is that you can keep chord sheets in the simplest form but just click on any particular chord and a chord diagram will momentarily pop up for a quick reminder. Generally, I want my sheets as uncluttered and space saving as possible, then I can have a large readable font on a fairly small tablet, all on one page, no scrolling. Too much info just has people rivetted to the page and keeps them from seeing the simple song structure (forest thru the trees stuff).

On the other hand, when learning more complicated tunes, like fiddle tunes, chord melody, solo stuff, I want standard notation w/ lyric below and chord name above. For just getting the tune under my fingers for later work on improv, I am good with just a simple melody line (or I’ll just work it out by ear).

Nickie
03-29-2019, 07:53 AM
We write them above, because that is much easier for our beginners to read from. We leave the chord diagrams out, by the time we "jam" with them, they're supposed to know the chords.