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Jim Hanks
04-08-2019, 01:55 PM
The idea for this build stemmed from a recent thread:
https://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?138456-5-string-ukulele

In that thread, David Hanson (UU name tukanu), mentioned he could build one and posted a picture of a very nice looking 5-string guitar. After checking out some more of his work from his web site gallery (https://cripplecreekmandolins.com/), I reached out to David via email to kick some ideas around and see if he was in my league in terms of budget. He made me an offer I couldn't refuse, so here we are. :cool:

We're still in the "design and gathering materials" phase so it will be a while yet before progress pictures start rolling, but I figured I'd go ahead and start the thread so y'all can get excited too. :)

I'll make individual posts on the various design aspects. Tonight, I'll start with the neck and string configuration.

Jim Hanks
04-08-2019, 01:56 PM
It will be a standard 17" tenor scale length with 5 equally spaced strings. Exact width is still TBD, but string spacing will be closer to guitalele than uke, maybe even slightly narrower than typical guitalele.

My first thought was a banjo-like configuration with the fifth string starting at the fifth fret. David was not in favor of that, preferring it to run the full length of the fretboard. This will allow for a number of possibilities in terms of tuning.

It could be tuned linearly, DGCEA, which would extend the low end note range below a low G uke. But meh, just leave a string off a guitalele (or don't play the sixth string) for that.

Raising the D an octave, dGCEA seems much more interesting. This is essentially a "kiku" tuning (though a 6-string kiku would have an A 6th string a step above the low G). This tuning should add some nice chord voicing options to the typical low G tuning.

Also note that if the third string is tuned down, it gives dGBEA which is a reentrant baritone tuning on the bottom four strings, extending the high range end with the top string. Never seen that before.

The other intriguing option is to tune it like a mini-banjo anyway even with the long 5th string. This would be cGCEg where the 5th string is an octave higher than the 3rd string. This is really high for a tenor scale, but it is possible as Southcoast had a string for it. In fact, I think I have a couple leftover from cuatro sets. Hmm, Beansprout also does a standard banjo tuning of gDGBd which would be easier to get the g4 fifth string and rearranged guilele strings for the rest.

My mind is already spinning.

I'm not sure what I'll pick as the nut for a D4 string and C5 string will likely need to be a lot different. I'll probably opt for the kiku treatment and hope the high C string works "well enough" if I ever try that option.

Doc_J
04-08-2019, 02:01 PM
Glad to see your build thread, Jim. I remember that 5-string guitar David built, it looked and sounded really nice. Looking forward to updates.

zztush
04-08-2019, 06:19 PM
I am looking forward to read your updates.

https://i.ibb.co/kQLLdgh/artflow-201904091308-320x200.png (https://imgbb.com/)

Osprey
04-09-2019, 04:40 AM
Jim, you must be the King of Alternate Tunings and having an equal fifth string to play with seems like a whole other level of complexity. I am intrigued by this and look forward to the build thread and then the Tuning Thread.

Jim Hanks
04-09-2019, 10:31 AM
Jim, you must be the King of Alternate Tunings and having an equal fifth string to play with seems like a whole other level of complexity. I am intrigued by this and look forward to the build thread and then the Tuning Thread.

The thing is, none of my tunings are "alternate" really. They are all transpositions of standard GCEA uke tuning or EADGBE guitar tuning with/without octave shifts on some strings. So my chord shapes are all the same. That's assuming I don't try the banjo tuning of course - I have not yet. The 5-string should be easier to play than guitar. ;)

Jim Hanks
04-09-2019, 04:49 PM
Flipping through David's gallery, he has quite a number of different shapes in his uke repertoire, from traditional figure-8 to pineapple, even a nod to the Pineapple Sunday. But he also makes mandolins and their deeper cousin, the mandola. Y'all know I'm not big on tradition, so it's the latter shape that we settled upon. Here's an example of a mandola-themed uke:
https://i.imgur.com/gy2P28ol.jpg

And here's an actual mandola in progress:
https://i.imgur.com/0UoxcIIl.jpg

The body will be 12" wide and 3" deep. To give a sense of scale, here is a sketch beside a standard tenor:
https://i.imgur.com/ZoMXjPal.jpg

Kenn2018
04-09-2019, 09:04 PM
Will the volume of the body be the same as the traditional bout, or are you tinkering with that as well?

Should be pretty awesome when you are done. His mandolins look great. Really interesting project.

Jim Hanks
04-10-2019, 01:40 AM
Will the volume of the body be the same as the traditional bout, or are you tinkering with that as well?

If you mean "air displaced", I would expect it to be more just looking at that last picture, but then the upper bout is smaller, so maybe it is about the same, I dunno.

DownUpDave
04-10-2019, 02:48 AM
Way to go brother Jim......you are the "King" of thinking out of the box, if not alternate tuning, love it. I look forward to the seeing the upcoming pictures and details. Congratulations

zztush
04-10-2019, 03:36 AM
Jim, you are king of five strings. Five string instruments are in-between ukulele and guitar. You are better than Kieth Richards and Albert King.

https://i.ibb.co/XZhpx21/2.jpg (https://ibb.co/KjM7x0d)

Jim Hanks
04-10-2019, 03:59 AM
Jim, you are king of five strings
Well, not yet. Bwahahaha. :rofl: :nana:

Jim Hanks
04-10-2019, 04:15 PM
This could still change up a little bit, but the current wood choices are:
lightly curled maple body, similar to this (might be my actual set):
https://i.imgur.com/b0fz7Kdl.jpg

cedar top ("to balance out the tone")
https://i.imgur.com/I8Hjpo6l.jpg

curly koa binding
Rosewood fingerboard and bridge.
Mahogany neck ("also help to soften the tone of the maple body")

zztush
04-10-2019, 04:51 PM
Hi, Jim! Do you use tail piece on this great five strings? You are five times greater than Brushy one string.

https://i.ibb.co/LtzN88L/PSX-20190411-114220.jpg (https://ibb.co/Yk7033z)

Jim Hanks
04-10-2019, 05:18 PM
Hi, Jim! Do you use tail piece on this great five strings?
No, that was just showing a cedar top on another Cripple Creek build. Mine will have a uke bridge but I'm not sure what style - tie, pin, or through.

Lapyang
04-10-2019, 06:04 PM
Jim, I really like the Mandola shape. Excellent choice.

zztush
04-10-2019, 06:17 PM
Your brushy five is as important invention as Kamaka's pineapple in ukulele history.

https://i.ibb.co/Qf3YstW/PSX-20190411-130549.jpg (https://ibb.co/7Xdr7L3)

Jim Hanks
04-10-2019, 06:28 PM
Is it me or is this starting to get a little creepy? :anyone: :rofl:

AustinHing
04-10-2019, 07:14 PM
Is it me or is this starting to get a little creepy? :anyone: :rofl:
Well you are not alone..
on that body, would you consider a splated flamed maple or something with a sap section to make it looks more interesting? It’s a custom build and I thought there’s plenty of stuff you could have. Jmho.

zztush
04-10-2019, 07:48 PM
How about round back for mandrin body?

This one is 5 course 7 string ukulele, DGCEA.

https://i.ibb.co/5MqKbP5/1.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

Jim Hanks
04-11-2019, 03:58 AM
on that body, would you consider a splated flamed maple or something with a sap section to make it looks more interesting? It’s a custom build and I thought there’s plenty of stuff you could have. Jmho.
I relayed my interest in "crazy" woods so I'm up for anything in that regard, but I'm also fine with the set David posted. There are many levels of "custom" and certain things are still chosen by availability or price point.

Jim Hanks
04-11-2019, 03:59 AM
How about round back for mandrin body?

Interesting, but the body shape is pretty well settled.

Tukanu
04-11-2019, 06:25 AM
If you mean "air displaced", I would expect it to be more just looking at that last picture, but then the upper bout is smaller, so maybe it is about the same, I dunno.

When complete, both ukuleles can be filled with water in order to measure the displacement.

Tukanu
04-11-2019, 08:14 AM
Clarification: The mando-uke pictured is by Bigleaf Mandolins
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Jim Hanks
04-11-2019, 10:36 AM
When complete, both ukuleles can be filled with water in order to measure the displacement.
Haha! Don't do that with *MINE*! :biglaugh:

zztush
04-11-2019, 12:58 PM
Hi, Jim!

Tailpiece is easy to change. It brings you to play double 4th strings (red circle in the figure) too as well as 5 strings. You are tuning king. Tailpiece may be better for you.

https://i.ibb.co/w01DdG6/4.jpg (https://ibb.co/r7JnQ8y)

keenonuke
04-12-2019, 03:48 AM
Hi
Let us know how it goes. I too am contemplating a 5 string and the notion of each string as we discussed is really interesting. I'm wondering how it will sound when strummed.

Let us know
:-)

Jim Hanks
04-19-2019, 02:00 PM
After some discussion, we decided to go with Gotoh UPT. I prefer these slightly over Peghed. One issue is that most outlets only sell the 4-packs. But you can order "bulk" from japarts.ca.
http://www.japarts.ca/_japarts_ca/Gotoh/Gotoh-Products-UPT-Ukulele.asp

One downside here is that the bulk orders are filled from the manufacturer in Japan. This means a long lead time and expensive shipping. For 5 tuners, this was still the cheaper option, but if you were getting 6 or 7, you'd be better off getting two 4-packs from another vendor and giving away the extras.

We're going with the gold and black version, UPTL-JP2B-G:
https://i.imgur.com/ge45NZKm.jpg

AustinHing
04-19-2019, 02:21 PM
This build is going to look so classy. I had the exact same Gotoh UPTL installed on my S1 and it totally transformed the look from plain to something belonging to an orchestra.

DPO
04-19-2019, 04:05 PM
Is it me or is this starting to get a little creepy? :anyone: :rofl:

Err, Yep :agree:

Jim Hanks
04-21-2019, 03:35 PM
Probably the most common uke nut width is 1-3/8" (35mm) with 9.5mm string spacing. If you go 9mm spacing for 5 strings, that yields a nut width of 42mm or 1-5/8". This is still much narrower than a typical guilele neck of 48mm or 1-7/8", so it sounds logical. But.... measuring my guilele, the string spacing is very close to 8mm, not 9mm, and I'm liking this tighter spacing on the 6 string.

So that was the initial plan - 8mm string spacing which yields a nut width of 38mm or (wait for it) 1.5".

I have to admit this gives me a little pause since probably the second most common uke width is 1.5". But that is for 4 strings, and here we are talking about putting 5 strings in the same space.

We've decided to split the difference and do 8.5mm spacing and 40mm width. Still time to change my mind, but that's the going-in plan.

zztush
04-21-2019, 09:10 PM
Hi, Jim! Nut width is interesting, but I am also interested in scale length of your 5 string ukulele.

https://i.ibb.co/9g7K3nG/2.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

Jim Hanks
04-22-2019, 02:31 AM
Hi, Jim! Nut width is interesting, but I am also interested in scale length of your 5 string ukulele.
Standard tenor scale - 17". See post #2 for tuning options (https://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?138664-Build-Thread-Cripple-Creek-5-String-Tenor&p=2142319#post2142319)

zztush
04-22-2019, 03:19 AM
Hi, Jim! Your 5 string uku is very interesting.

I have made a small guitar with Neewer concert ukulele (right figure below). It is 38mm nut and string space is 6.5mm. It is playable and fun. But I know 6.5mm is crazy and 7mm is better. Vintage Gibson J-45 has 39mm nut model late 50s. Gibson has still 39mm model. But they are steal strings. I may take 38mm rather than 40mm because I get used to it on ukulele.

https://i.ibb.co/D7jsBpV/2.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

zztush
04-22-2019, 03:22 AM
We're going with the gold and black version, UPTL-JP2B-G:

Why UPTL rather than UPT? Is your headstock thick?

Ragtop232
04-22-2019, 04:30 AM
This sounds very interesting. I have been searching for a 5 string soprano scaled ukulele with the strings evenly spaced. This would be a great clawhammer ukulele. Those of us that play some clawhammer banjo would feel right at home.

Jim

Jim Hanks
04-22-2019, 10:16 AM
Why UPTL rather than UPT? Is your headstock thick?
I guess so. Luthier said get the UPTL so that's what I ordered.

Jim Hanks
04-22-2019, 10:18 AM
Of course, things could get tweaked during the build process, but here's what we got going in:

Tenor scale rosewood finger board...radius...side dots and top dots
Maple body with a light curl
Cedar top...custom rosette
Koa edge binding and an end pin
Spanish cedar neck
mandola shaped body, 12" wide and 3" deep
Five string spaced 8.5mm for a 1-9/16" wide nut.
Pinned bridge

Jim Hanks
04-22-2019, 10:22 AM
Sides bent, tail block and glue linings in place:https://i.imgur.com/a2zqoD1l.jpg

zztush
04-22-2019, 10:49 AM
I guess so. Luthier said get the UPTL so that's what I ordered.

Hi, Jim!

I have spare UPTLs for you. I made many guitaleles but lately I do not play them. This set is almost new, because this guitalele has a problem with intonation. If you are ok for white ones, I will send them to you immediately for free.

https://i.ibb.co/1ZZbcJN/P-20190423-053718.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

Jim Hanks
04-22-2019, 01:22 PM
I have spare UPTLs for you.
Thanks for the very generous offer :shaka:
But mine are already paid for and on the way, so hopefully you can find another project to use these on.

zztush
04-23-2019, 12:12 PM
Hi, Jim!

I think we may often use 5th and 4th string root movable chords for arpeggio on 5th string ukulele.

I just wondering narrow neck may be better for 4th string root chord (See the figure below).

https://i.ibb.co/87F41km/5.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

keenonuke
04-27-2019, 04:25 AM
Wow the Mandola is so beautiful. We are all waiting for your next post.

Jim Hanks
04-27-2019, 08:49 AM
We are all waiting for your next post.
Breaking news! The tuners have left Japan. :p
And the cedar top arrived.

Jim Hanks
04-29-2019, 01:15 PM
Wow, that was fast.
https://i.imgur.com/91pMj4Nl.jpg

Kenn2018
04-30-2019, 02:28 AM
Classy looking tuners. Going to be epic.

Jim Hanks
05-02-2019, 01:11 PM
"neck roughed out and matched to the body. It's beginning to take shape. Note the koa overlay on the head."

https://i.imgur.com/dmCnyKzl.jpg

"Checking the fit of the tuners...look good."
https://i.imgur.com/3x88I2bm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/gY1RDHlm.jpg

prb035
05-02-2019, 02:24 PM
I love the curvy body shape & the new tuners are very classy! :D

Kenn2018
05-02-2019, 07:17 PM
I really like the tuner positioning. Very cool!

It's gonna be a beaut.

keenonuke
05-02-2019, 10:03 PM
Wow I really like the shape of the headstock and the 5 figure pattern for the tuners. The build keeps getting better and better.

Jim Hanks
05-03-2019, 06:20 AM
Wow I really like the shape of the headstock and the 5 figure pattern for the tuners. The build keeps getting better and better.

I agree. I wanted this tuner configuration so it was more clear that 5-strings was on purpose. The other main alternative was to have 3 tuners on one side and 2 on the other leaving the middle of the headstock open. But I didn't want it to look like the "missing" tuner just got knocked off a guitar. :p :rolleyes:

keenonuke
05-03-2019, 06:25 AM
I agree. I wanted this tuner configuration so it was more clear that 5-strings was on purpose. The other main alternative was to have 3 tuners on one side and 2 on the other leaving the middle of the headstock open. But I didn't want it to look like the "missing" tuner just got knocked off a guitar. :p :rolleyes:

And that would be more typical of other 5 string ukuleles.

Jim Hanks
05-03-2019, 06:34 AM
And that would be more typical of other 5 string ukuleles.

another reason not to do it that way. :p

Doc_J
05-04-2019, 02:36 AM
"neck roughed out and matched to the body. It's beginning to take shape. Note the koa overlay on the head."

https://i.imgur.com/dmCnyKzl.jpg

"Checking the fit of the tuners...look good."
https://i.imgur.com/3x88I2bm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/gY1RDHlm.jpg

Great idea on the look with a symmetric 5-tuner Design. First Iíve ever seen like this.

Jim Hanks
05-04-2019, 03:05 AM
Great idea on the look with a symmetric 5-tuner Design. First I’ve ever seen like this.
Yeah, I hope there's not a good reason for that. :eek:

Looking at these pictures, I'm a tiny bit concerned the middle string will interfere with either 2 or 4, but David hasn't raised a red flag yet, so I'm holding out hope that it's functional. :rolleyes:

Tukanu
05-04-2019, 03:28 AM
"...darling won't you ease my worried mind". Clapton

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Jim Hanks
05-04-2019, 03:46 AM
"...darling won't you ease my worried mind". Clapton
Nice! :worship:

M3Ukulele
05-04-2019, 05:51 AM
Interesting thread Jim. Congrats. Love the look and choices can’t wait to see finish look and hear it. Oversized body will give more sound and volume you would think. Besides just looking cool. Tuner arrangement is outstanding . I’ve been digging string thru bridge but I think pin is good choice for you given number of strings and smaller sound hole. Good for you.

Jim Hanks
05-04-2019, 07:19 AM
I’ve been digging string thru bridge but I think pin is good choice for you given number of strings and smaller sound hole.
This is one aspect I just went with "luthiers choice". I've never had a pin bridge for any length of time. The Cůrdoba Mini had one but I only changed strings on it once. Why do you think a thru or tie bridge would be a "bad" choice here? Just curious.

Tukanu
05-04-2019, 08:46 AM
All three would look and work just fine. Thru the bridge is the simplest and cleanest looking. Pinned has a certain aesthetic, but might appear too "guitarish".
Tied is traditional, but it is the only one that can potentially rip loose.
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M3Ukulele
05-04-2019, 09:05 AM
Nope, all bridge types are good. My custom has slot. My Fluke is-slot. I have two tie bridges on two Pono’s. My TT has string thru and I got some tie blocks and they they are so easy and simple. I like the pull thru and they are so solid. I’m used to Pin bridge on my guitars. Next tenor will be pull thru unless it’s a Kanilea. LOL. Whatever you like and works is great. Or whatever builder likes doing. Can t wait to hear sound on that shape.

Jim Hanks
05-06-2019, 12:35 PM
Here are some progress photos of the rosette:
https://i.imgur.com/95holaF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/OY7kFgv.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/AkggmPD.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/q2cz98u.jpg

keenonuke
05-06-2019, 12:50 PM
It is looking so good. I even liked the pinwheel :-)

Kenn2018
05-06-2019, 07:24 PM
Great-looking rosette. It was also a treat to see how it was made.

Just don't stare at it too long: "You are getting sleepy. Sleeeeeepy..." :)

Jim Hanks
05-09-2019, 01:14 PM
https://i.imgur.com/AuMgW2il.jpg

prb035
05-09-2019, 01:47 PM
I love those wood shavings, it really shows off the fine skills required to do this sort of work :D So this is a single bout body design? :D

Tukanu
05-09-2019, 02:12 PM
I love those wood shavings, it really shows off the fine skills required to do this sort of work :D So this is a single bout body design? :D

Breaking new ground. Not necessarily a new concept, except for the 5 strings.

Jim Hanks
05-09-2019, 03:03 PM
So this is a single bout body design? :D
I. Like. Big. Bouts. Andicannotlie
:nana:
:rofl:

prb035
05-09-2019, 03:40 PM
I. Like. Big. Bouts. Andicannotlie
:nana:
:rofl:

This went straight through to the keeper Jim :D

prb035
05-09-2019, 03:44 PM
Breaking new ground. Not necessarily a new concept, except for the 5 strings.

Thanks David, sorry if it's a silly question. I've only just started looking at the different body shapes recently and I thought that the Romero instruments had a similar design concept rather than the more common figure 8 :D

Tukanu
05-10-2019, 03:32 AM
Thanks David, sorry if it's a silly question. I've only just started looking at the different body shapes recently and I thought that the Romero instruments had a similar design concept rather than the more common figure 8 :D

Hoffmann (formerly Boat Paddle?) builds both 5 string and mandola shaped ukuleles.

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prb035
05-10-2019, 10:17 AM
Hoffmann (formerly Boat Paddle?) builds both 5 string and mandola shaped ukuleles.

117877117878

Thanks for the follow up information, it’s much appreciated :D

prb035
05-10-2019, 10:37 AM
I. Like. Big. Bouts. Andicannotlie
:nana:
:rofl:

Are you being rude or trying to be funny, Iím not quite sure. After looking through some of your previous posts here at UU, I think maybe you are being rude.

SoloRule
05-10-2019, 11:26 AM
Congratulations Jim. This is one unique instrument!
I did not read every single comment before I ask this question so
You may have answered already.
When do you expect delivery ?

Jim Hanks
05-10-2019, 01:02 PM
Are you being rude or trying to be funny, I’m not quite sure. After looking through some of your previous posts here at UU, I think maybe you are being rude.
Was trying to be funny. Guess I failed. :(

Jim Hanks
05-10-2019, 01:03 PM
Congratulations Jim. This is one unique instrument!
I did not read every single comment before I ask this question so
You may have answered already.
When do you expect delivery ?
No concrete expectations but guessing small number of months.

Tukanu
05-10-2019, 01:24 PM
No concrete expectations but guessing small number of months.

Naw...maybe 4 weeks, tops.

DPO
05-10-2019, 04:33 PM
Was trying to be funny. Guess I failed. :(

You didn't fail here Jim, you can't please everyone, so don't worry about it. :)

keenonuke
05-10-2019, 06:06 PM
You didn't fail here Jim, you can't please everyone, so don't worry about it. :)

I love the paddle, pineapple shape, etc

We're all looking forward to the 5 stringer arriving. It's great how your including us in the process. It will be interesting to learn about how you'll play it.

BTW as a result of the original post thread I've purchased a 5 string concert Ohana and a 5 string tenor Kala.

Doc_J
05-10-2019, 07:08 PM
Was trying to be funny. Guess I failed. :(

I thought you were funny with the Sir Mix-a-Lot reference.

Can’t wait to hear how your Cripple Creek 5-string sounds.

Jim Hanks
05-11-2019, 12:47 AM
It will be interesting to learn about how you'll play it.

BTW as a result of the original post thread I've purchased a 5 string concert Ohana and a 5 string tenor Kala.
To start it will be the kiku tuning mentioned earlier dGCEA. I have Living Water strings on their way to David. I also got some spare strings with a then high-high c string to try that pseudo-banjo tuning later, cGCEg.


I thought you were funny with the Sir Mix-a-Lot reference.
Oh good, at least one other old American got it. :rofl:

DownUpDave
05-11-2019, 03:10 AM
To start it will be the kiku tuning mentioned earlier dGCEA. I have Living Water strings on their way to David. I also got some spare strings with a then high-high c string to try that pseudo-banjo tuning later, cGCEg.


Oh good, at least one other old American got it. :rofl:

Calling Hodge "old" now that's being rude Jim. :old:

You are a stand up guy and everyone here knows that, Penny just needs to sharpen her sense of humor is all

To the real matter at hand, the 5 string is looking awesome Jim, truely a custom. I know you will come up with some wild tuning using a Frankenset of string and it will sound great.

keenonuke
05-11-2019, 04:04 AM
To start it will be the kiku tuning mentioned earlier dGCEA. I have Living Water strings on their way to David. I also got some spare strings with a then high-high c string to try that pseudo-banjo tuning later, cGCEg.


Oh good, at least one other old American got it. :rofl:

So you're doing it differently than a lot of 5 strings with the high and low G. Your mandolele keeps getting more interesting :-)

prb035
05-11-2019, 10:21 AM
Penny just needs to sharpen her sense of humor is all.

I will try to sharpen my sense of humour, I’m sorry if I was out of line :D I knew it wasn’t going to be easy being the new kid on the block, especially when all this stuff is completely new to me, but I will do my best :D

Kenn2018
05-11-2019, 11:04 AM
Was trying to be funny. Guess I failed. :(

I thought it was very funny. And an actual lol moment for me at least.

From Wikipedia:
"Baby Got Back" is a 1992 hip hop song written and recorded by American rapper Sir Mix-a-Lot, ... The first verse begins with: "I like big butts and I cannot lie"

Great word play with "big bouts" Jim. It cracked me up. (Pun intended.) And I am not a follower of rap music. But that song was everywhere back then. And still referenced today.

Jim Hanks
05-11-2019, 05:04 PM
Calling Hodge "old" now that's being rude Jim. :old:

I know you will come up with some wild tuning using a Frankenset of string and it will sound great.
Haha!
The set isn't all that odd really. It's Living Water, standard low GCEA tenor set with a high d from the dGBE tenor set.


So you're doing it differently than a lot of 5 strings with the high and low G.
Right, the strings will be equally spaced so the 'd' and 'G' can be play indepedently, unlike the typical 5-strings which are really 4-courses with the high and low G expected to be played together.

Piecomics
05-12-2019, 12:54 AM
So I am really interested in hearing how this goes! It seems like essentially you are having a rajao built and will play it w an alternative tuning...

Jim Hanks
05-12-2019, 01:40 AM
So I am really interested in hearing how this goes! It seems like essentially you are having a rajao built and will play it w an alternative tuning...
I was not aware of that, but yes, a nylon string low g rajao. :)

keenonuke
05-13-2019, 02:56 PM
Pardon if you already told us. What's the latest ETA?

Jim Hanks
05-13-2019, 04:07 PM
Pardon if you already told us. What's the latest ETA?

about a month

keenonuke
05-14-2019, 02:06 AM
about a month

It will be good to see and hear it. Wow

Jim Hanks
05-17-2019, 10:16 AM
https://i.imgur.com/76Mne9Ol.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kzp3xgsl.jpg

Osprey
05-17-2019, 10:40 AM
It’s looking really good, Jim. Love these build threads.

zztush
05-17-2019, 10:58 AM
https://i.ibb.co/SvM1BYf/PSX-20190518-055541.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

Hi, Jim! What is this pin?

DPO
05-17-2019, 11:11 AM
https://i.ibb.co/SvM1BYf/PSX-20190518-055541.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

Hi, Jim! What is this pin?

Locator pins, there are two of them, so when the builder glues the FB on the pins wiill locate the exact positiion on the neck.

prb035
05-17-2019, 11:35 AM
Locator pins, there are two of them, so when the builder glues the FB on the pins wiill locate the exact positiion on the neck.

Won't they get in the way when you are playing! :D

Jim Hanks
05-17-2019, 01:01 PM
Locator pins, there are two of them, so when the builder glues the FB on the pins wiill locate the exact positiion on the neck.
Thanks Dennis. I was getting worried. :rolleyes: :smileybounce:

DPO
05-17-2019, 02:04 PM
Won't they get in the way when you are playing! :D

No. You get used to them.

prb035
05-17-2019, 03:36 PM
No. You get used to them.

Ha-ha, yet another discipline to learn! You'd think it would just be easier to remove them once the glue is dry :smileybounce:

DPO
05-17-2019, 05:18 PM
Ha-ha, yet another discipline to learn! You'd think it would just be easier to remove them once the glue is dry :smileybounce:

Well you could do that I suppose, but it wouldn't be much of a challenge. Life's all about overcoming little difficulties.

prb035
05-17-2019, 06:34 PM
Life's all about overcoming little difficulties.
Ain't that the truth! :D

M3Ukulele
05-18-2019, 04:50 AM
Progress looks really good Jim. Looking forward to seeing finished ukulele. A clip to hear it would be cool. Good for you for pushing the boundaries. I’m sure you are going to enjoy this new addition.

Jim Hanks
05-21-2019, 04:08 PM
https://i.imgur.com/OnHfjsc.jpg

Kenn2018
05-21-2019, 05:22 PM
The rosette looks awesome! It really turned out well. Love the neck as well. It's going to be a super build.

DPO
05-21-2019, 05:45 PM
https://i.imgur.com/OnHfjsc.jpg

Jim, I am starting to like it a lot.

Jim Hanks
05-25-2019, 08:43 AM
https://i.imgur.com/UkfAqKVl.jpg

keenonuke
05-25-2019, 12:09 PM
Lots of Wows, looking great. I looked yesterday at the thread and wondered when you would update us. It's closing in on strings. Thanks for keeping us updated.

prb035
05-25-2019, 12:12 PM
https://i.imgur.com/UkfAqKVl.jpg

So the neck will be completely level? I was reading about "relief" being build into necks, does this mean you will have no relief? :D

Tukanu
05-25-2019, 02:20 PM
In time, the string tension will add just enough relief. Its not as important in a short scale like a ukulele. It is more of a requirement in steel string guitars.

prb035
05-25-2019, 02:24 PM
In time, the string tension will add just enough relief. Its not as important in a short scale like a ukulele. It is more of a requirement in steel string guitars.

Good information, thanks David :D

Jim Hanks
05-26-2019, 01:12 PM
https://i.imgur.com/QGgpS6rl.jpg

keenonuke
05-26-2019, 03:18 PM
It looks amazing. It keeps getting better and better.

Jim Hanks
06-01-2019, 05:21 AM
"...The flamed maple is starting to pop."

https://i.imgur.com/6632La1l.jpg

Osprey
06-01-2019, 05:40 AM
Wow!! That’s beginning to pop, Jim. It has been looking good but that’s absolutely beautiful.

keenonuke
06-01-2019, 06:26 AM
Wow!! That’s beginning to pop, Jim. It has been looking good but that’s absolutely beautiful.

I agree now we want to see the front with the finish :-)

DownUpDave
06-01-2019, 06:59 AM
Really unique and beautiful looking instrument Jim. You must be getting exciting to see it in your hands and play it.

MopMan
06-01-2019, 07:19 AM
I'm looking forward to your sound recordings, Jim. Please do share!

Jim Hanks
06-01-2019, 08:35 AM
I agree now we want to see the front with the finish :-)
Gotta save something for the NUD post, right? :)


Really unique and beautiful looking instrument Jim. You must be getting exciting to see it in your hands and play it.
Indeed. David gave me an estimated ship date, but I said i wouldn't hold him to it in case it is tough letting this one leave the nest. He said he already figured in 4-5 days for that. :rofl:


I'm looking forward to your sound recordings, Jim. Please do share!
You know it! :shaka:

Jim Hanks
06-06-2019, 03:04 PM
This might be the last post on the build thread before the NUD post. All that's left is some settling in and final adjustments. Just another week or two to go!
https://i.imgur.com/XCyAcksm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/FM12iRKm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QKYdBWUm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/RkWRWkhm.jpg

Jim Hanks
06-06-2019, 03:05 PM
https://i.imgur.com/UydBp6pm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/3V0oLENm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/RQFNAJ2l.jpg

keenonuke
06-06-2019, 03:07 PM
It just keeps looking better and better. When you do post the nud please remind us of the woods. Jim it's looking great. I can't wait for the movie the coming attractions have been great :-)

Jim Hanks
06-06-2019, 03:31 PM
It just keeps looking better and better. When you do post the nud please remind us of the woods. Jim it's looking great. I can't wait for the movie the coming attractions have been great :-)
I listed the wood choices back in post 13 (https://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?138664-Build-Thread-Cripple-Creek-5-String-Tenor&p=2142871#post2142871) but one of those changed along the way - and there are a few others that I'll save for the NUD. :)

keenonuke
06-06-2019, 03:37 PM
I listed the wood choices back in post 13 (https://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?138664-Build-Thread-Cripple-Creek-5-String-Tenor&p=2142871#post2142871) but one of those changed along the way - and there are a few others that I'll save for the NUD. :)

You're the best. I went to the link. Thanks. Great choices.

DownUpDave
06-06-2019, 09:02 PM
https://i.imgur.com/UydBp6pm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/3V0oLENm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/RQFNAJ2l.jpg

This reminds me of a middle eastern type instrument, a very cool looking middle eastern instrument. I can see you sitting on a Turkish rug with a big Persian Hookah pipe in front of you while you play for the snake charmers. It's really beautiful Jim

Jim Hanks
06-07-2019, 01:57 AM
I can see you sitting on a Turkish rug with a big Persian Hookah pipe in front of you while you play for the snake charmers.
Haha! I can't quite see that, but maybe zztush will give us a photoshop. :rofl:

DownUpDave
06-07-2019, 02:03 AM
Haha! I can't quite see that, but maybe zztush will give us a photoshop. :rofl:

Hahahahaha........oh touche'

bratsche
06-07-2019, 04:04 AM
Middle eastern? I don't see that at all. Will have to wait for the photoshop artiste. :rofl: Looks almost like a mandola to me. ;-)

Hey Jim - do those UPTL tuners come as specifically lefty or righty? and if so, what is your middle one?

bratsche

Jim Hanks
06-07-2019, 04:44 AM
Looks almost like a mandola to me. ;-)

Hey Jim - do those UPTL tuners come as specifically lefty or righty? and if so, what is your middle one?


Definitely, it's been called a mandolele at some ponts in correspondence, but will have a new name that I'll reveal in the NUD. :shaka:

AFAIK, the tuners are not "handed" - depends on which way you string it. Here's a full size shot of the headstock in which it appears the 3/4/5 are strung opposite to 1/2 - but I can't see how the middle one would matter:
https://i.imgur.com/QKYdBWU.jpg

DownUpDave
06-07-2019, 07:28 AM
Middle eastern? I don't see that at all. Will have to wait for the photoshop artiste. :rofl: Looks almost like a mandola to me. ;-)

Hey Jim - do those UPTL tuners come as specifically lefty or righty? and if so, what is your middle one?

bratsche

Some people have no sense of humor, jeez :p

kvehe
06-08-2019, 04:58 AM
I am in love. Can't wait for all of the NUD details. (including the middle eastern accoutrement)

bratsche
06-08-2019, 10:19 AM
Some people have no sense of humor, jeez :p

Funny that oud say that!

bratsche

Jim Hanks
06-08-2019, 10:22 AM
Funny that oud say that!
I see what u did there.
:smileybounce:

Kenn2018
06-08-2019, 12:30 PM
Jim, you'll have to cover it with seven veils and slowly do a reveal...

DownUpDave
06-09-2019, 12:16 AM
Funny that oud say that!

bratsche

I stand corrected......very witty