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hollisdwyer
04-22-2019, 04:12 PM
Today a new for sale post appeared in the Marketplace for what many would see as a very desirable Uke. Besides the OP not following any of the guidelines regarding how to post a FS thread, it struck me that new or low posting members may be disadvantaged in these activities because they are ‘unknown’ on UU.

We all know that there are guidelines for posting in the Marketplace but I was wondering if anyone had any constructive suggestions for creating a buying and selling environment that is more comfortable for all involved when one or both parties are either new members or those with very few posts.

My reason for this is that I shortly plan on downsizing my collection by 30%-50%.

Ukecaster
04-22-2019, 06:07 PM
I don't think it's too difficult, if a new member reads the guidelines. Posting a uke for sale as a first post will usually cause concern for members, and I think the new member/seller can't post pics for a while anyway. If the seller is serious, they should write a full description and price, with pics, once able. I, for one, don't think it's a good idea to lower the bar for brand new members who may only join here to sell a uke. As an established member, you should be just fine selling some of your ukes here.

hollisdwyer
04-22-2019, 06:40 PM
I don't think it's too difficult, if a new member reads the guidelines. Posting a uke for sale as a first post will usually cause concern for members, and I think the new member/seller can't post pics for a while anyway. If the seller is serious, they should write a full description and price, with pics, once able. I, for one, don't think it's a good idea to lower the bar for brand new members who may only join here to sell a uke. As an established member, you should be just fine selling some of your ukes here.

I agree with everything you said John. I wonder if new members should have ‘no sales’ period like the no photos period you mentioned?

gochugogi
04-22-2019, 07:40 PM
I agree with everything you said John. I wonder if new members should have ‘no sales’ period like the no photos period you mentioned?

You may not be able to upload but anybody can link a photo from their website or photo account on the first post by simply using the [img] tag.

anthonyg
04-22-2019, 10:23 PM
I can't say that I have sold or bought much in the marketplace. My view though is that the current rules of the UU Marketplace are pretty simple and not that onerous.

Selling on eBay for example is more complicated. If you want to sell online then current pictures are important.

DownUpDave
04-22-2019, 11:23 PM
It is almost a catch 22 situation. Yes we want ukes available on our Market Place for us to purchase, but there is the trust factor. There is also the issue of someone just joining to be able to purchase an item. I was almost scammed by such a person when selling a Collings tenor here. We do have rules set out and I think adding in a clause of 5 minimum posts over one week before buying or selling might help. But in the end it is always "Buyer Beware" and "Seller take Care".

Jerryc41
04-23-2019, 02:02 AM
It is almost a catch 22 situation. Yes we want ukes available on our Market Place for us to purchase, but there is the trust factor. There is also the issue of someone just joining to be able to purchase an item. I was almost scammed by such a person when selling a Collings tenor here. We do have rules set out and I think adding in a clause of 5 minimum posts over one week before buying or selling might help. But in the end it is always "Buyer Beware" and "Seller take Care".

A scammer would have no trouble posting several messages if he wanted to cheat us. We also place a certain amount of trust in PayPal.

stevejfc
04-23-2019, 02:31 AM
My reason for this is that I shortly plan on downsizing my collection by 30%-50%.

Hey Hollis...……..I would be happy to take that Beau Hannam off your hands!:drool:

Swamp Yankee
04-23-2019, 02:39 AM
On the flip side, the fact that a seller has plenty of posts and a history with the forum is not a guarantee that they're not failing to disclose problems with or flaws in the item they're selling. So, whether you're contemplating buying from a new member or a long-established member, Caveat Emptor is the most important rule.

steveholt
04-23-2019, 03:18 AM
As a low poster mostly lurker. My small number of purchases on the marketplace have all been great.

The community seems pretty good here.

RafterGirl
04-23-2019, 03:33 AM
I belong to an outdoor activity forum that has a marketplace. They have a 50 post minimum rule before a member can buy or sell in the marketplace. The moderators also monitor for people who post rapidly in order to get their post count up. The gear being sold on that forum is mainly under $200, and rarely over $500. The marketplace rules here on UU are way less restrictive, even though the items being sold are much more expensive. I've sold a number of ukuleles and had good experiences. It has allowed me to try out a variety of ukuleles while fine tuning what I want, and passing on some nice ukes to others to enjoy. Due diligence on the part of the buyer is important, as well as lots of details, clear pictures, and good communication on the part of the seller.

The "unusual" recent for sale thread, and people's tongue in cheek responses to it, seem to indicate that we have a healthy skepticism for things that are out of the ordinary. Hopefully that wouldn't put people off buying or selling in the Marketplace.

hollisdwyer
04-23-2019, 03:49 AM
Hey Hollis...……..I would be happy to take that Beau Hannam off your hands!:drool:

Don’t hold your breath.

Seriously though I am very happy with my current collection (who wouldn’t be?) and if I was still living in a house with plenty of storage room, I wouldn’t consider selling anything. But that is no longer the case, we have relocated to an apartment and space is scarce. So I’ve been thinking that it’s time to simplify.

AQUATOPAZ
04-23-2019, 04:31 AM
Don’t hold your breath.

Seriously though I am very happy with my current collection (who wouldn’t be?) and if I was still living in a house with plenty of storage room, I wouldn’t consider selling anything. But that is no longer the case, we have relocated to an apartment and space is scarce. So I’ve been thinking that it’s time to simplify.

I don't know your storage particulars, but I have created storage space by using bed risers and rolling narrow depth storage trays.

Jerryc41
04-23-2019, 04:44 AM
Buying only from people who have bought and sold here before is like someone trying to get a job, but he has to experience. He can't get experience till he gets a job.

Joyful Uke
04-23-2019, 05:17 AM
I can't say that I have sold or bought much in the marketplace. My view though is that the current rules of the UU Marketplace are pretty simple and not that onerous.

Selling on eBay for example is more complicated. If you want to sell online then current pictures are important.

I've both bought and sold, and it did seem pretty simple. (Especially buying, LOL.)

I have been fortunate enough to have all good experiences, but there have been some posts in the marketplace that I didn't feel confident about, (whether I was accurate on that, I don't know), so I guess we just have to use caution and hope for the best. But, overall, this is a good community.

I do try to look at previous posts by the person, (are they active on the forum? Did they ever mention anything about that particular ukulele before?), and use that as a guide, too.

2 things that people don't always include in the sales posts, but I personally would like:
Nut width.
Was it in a smoke-free environment?

But, maybe I'm the only one who finds that information helpful.

AQUATOPAZ
04-23-2019, 06:15 AM
A scammer would have no trouble posting several messages if he wanted to cheat us. We also place a certain amount of trust in PayPal.

The post in question had no price and asked for pms instead. Scammers love to do their scamming in private.

glennerd
04-23-2019, 06:38 AM
Don’t hold your breath.

Seriously though I am very happy with my current collection (who wouldn’t be?) and if I was still living in a house with plenty of storage room, I wouldn’t consider selling anything. But that is no longer the case, we have relocated to an apartment and space is scarce. So I’ve been thinking that it’s time to simplify.

Haha, similar storage situation, but I just realized last night that my one uke for sale won't make any difference to my storage situation as it's a sopranino and I've got it in it's gig bag, which is inside a soprano gig bag (so double bagged). When it's gone, I'll still have the empty soprano bag. :-/

DownUpDave
04-23-2019, 06:49 AM
A scammer would have no trouble posting several messages if he wanted to cheat us. We also place a certain amount of trust in PayPal.

That is why I said Buyer Beware, Seller Take Care. In a nut shell it was his first post, wanted lots of pictures asked all the right question so seemed legit. Agreed upon Paypal......then things got sketchy, kept wanting to change method of payment. Finally wanted an invoice from me and my bank account info so he could deposit the amount from the Philippines.

I was born at night but not last night so I pulled the plug. I called him out in public and he tried to smear me, didn't work. You just have to use common sense. I have bought and sold lots...and I mean lots of ukes here and never an issue.

derbyhat
04-23-2019, 06:54 AM
My two cents: don’t use PayPal friends and family. Just conduct the transaction through a third party that has some kind of insurance for the transaction.

hollisdwyer
04-23-2019, 12:30 PM
That is why I said Buyer Beware, Seller Take Care. In a nut shell it was his first post, wanted lots of pictures asked all the right question so seemed legit. Agreed upon Paypal......then things got sketchy, kept wanting to change method of payment. Finally wanted an invoice from me and my bank account info so he could deposit the amount from the Philippines.

I was born at night but not last night so I pulled the plug. I called him out in public and he tried to smear me, didn't work. You just have to use common sense. I have bought and sold lots...and I mean lots of ukes here and never an issue.

I’ve bought and sold a few here myself and there was never a problem but they have always been to people who are at least somewhat active in this community. You get a feel for who someone is when you can read their posts. It was that Moonbird FS post that made me think that a newbie buyer or seller would be disadvantaged as we are all very aware that there are a lot of bandits out there.
Personally I’d rather use PayPal and pay the sellers fees when I’m buying and F&F when I’m selling as then I know that PayPal would be on my side of any dispute and not rip money out of my bank account if some scammer tried to pull a fast one.
All the people who have ever purchased from me have always appreciated the extra care that I took in packing and in my full disclosure as to the condition of the instrument. I have always felt the same way in my dealings with UU members. I guess your motto of Buyer Beware, Seller Take Care is a good one Dave and, sadly, very necessary in our world today.

DPO
04-23-2019, 03:29 PM
I think that on balance the Marketplace works very well.
It's not broken so no need to try and fix it.

hollisdwyer
04-23-2019, 03:37 PM
Scammers are all over the internet. We are not immune just by being a member of UU. The defence against them is universal on the internet. Never send money without trust. Never send bank account details. If you have a low trust in a buyer or seller, don't send money or goods until you get the goods or money. The beauty of the UU marketplace is that there are few universal rules at present, each buyer and seller can make what ever arrangements suit them.
Check out the Uke Talk forum for examples of buyers or sellers hiding their for sale notice in a bunch of words.
I posted before that if you post a video or review of your uke on UU, people are going to find it when you put the uke up for sale. So if you want to brag about how a low cost uke sounds better than your higher cost uke in a blind test or similar, it may be a mistake to hope for a good price when you have a reason to sell the higher cost uke. In some cases, there is an advantage in having a low post count when you are selling a uke.
The Marketplace forum is a serious forum, its where the activities lead to a real exchange of goods and money beyond the banter of the other forums. All members can see who keeps posting smarty pants comments and who keeps getting in the way of the process. When those members come to post an item for sale, they can probably expect the same treatment. I think if we are to have some rule changes, the new rules should be about responders who have no intention of buying the item, and who just disrupt the buying and selling process. We need to have some rules to stop the UU marketplace becoming the Dad joke of classifieds for selling ukes. A good rule is that you should mind your own business if you have no interest in buying an item. Let the seller do the work to get the sale, and the buyer do the work to get the good deal, and refrain from commenting if you are not going to be a useful part of the process.

Sage and sober advice as usual Bill.

Most UU’ers won’t know but Bill and I played at the same group in Perth, Western Australia for years. He’s the type of person that you would want with you when crossing a continent by wagon train. He has a creative and sharp mind and regularly thinks outside the box to come up with unique solutions.

MopMan
04-23-2019, 05:24 PM
Once upon a time I was a new member here and I jumped right into the marketplace and bought a few ukes. Every transaction went smooth and the community here was great.

As always, of course do your due diligence and keep on the lookout for someone trying to get one over on you. But don't mistreat a guy just because he's new. Everyone needs to replace their first $35 ukulele with something nicer, and IMO the sooner the better. The new guys around here need it so much more than the collectors do.

If my post count had been a factor in my first transactions in the UU Marketplace, I might have been very disappointed indeed.

Kenn2018
04-23-2019, 06:33 PM
I think if we are to have some rule changes, the new rules should be about responders who have no intention of buying the item, and who just disrupt the buying and selling process. We need to have some rules to stop the UU marketplace becoming the Dad joke of classifieds for selling ukes. A good rule is that you should mind your own business if you have no interest in buying an item. Let the seller do the work to get the sale, and the buyer do the work to get the good deal, and refrain from commenting if you are not going to be a useful part of the process.

I have to disagree with this Bill. I have found that some of the comments made regarding the ukulele model, the builder, or the actual ukulele that is up for sale to be the deciding factor that made me pull the trigger on buying that instrument. Especially when I was new to the whole process. I also find comments regarding the seller to be helpful if they have a history of successful selling.

I often comment on a ukulele to try to boost interest and to bump the listing. Even though I am not planning to purchase.

PetalumaRescuke
04-23-2019, 07:02 PM
Recently I'm in the herd thinning mode. I've had nothing but good experiences with the buyers form this site. They aren't offended with my policy of shipping the ukulele when paid. That may be because I try to maximize the communication during the process. It gives a comfortable feeling for both parties. I am glad of any comment on my offering and have experienced no trolling, but it might be fun to have rebuttals, beside as stated it bumps it.

hollisdwyer
04-23-2019, 08:06 PM
I have to disagree with this Bill. I have found that some of the comments made regarding the ukulele model, the builder, or the actual ukulele that is up for sale to be the deciding factor that made me pull the trigger on buying that instrument. Especially when I was new to the whole process. I also find comments regarding the seller to be helpful if they have a history of successful selling.

I often comment on a ukulele to try to boost interest and to bump the listing. Even though I am not planning to purchase.

Comments derived from experience about the instrument or seller are extremely helpful. It was comments like that that guided me to my first purchases here but when your due diligence turns up nothing that would give you confidence, what then?

Kenn2018
04-24-2019, 10:15 AM
Comments derived from experience about the instrument or seller are extremely helpful. It was comments like that that guided me to my first purchases here but when your due diligence turns up nothing that would give you confidence, what then?

Then, maybe a few PMs asking questions. About the seller, location, PayPal, etc. Ask for a couple of specific photos. Of the bridge or the insides. Any red flags pop up? Anything make you uneasy?

After that you have to make a decision to buy—or not. Trust that the seller was straight with you—or not.

Joyful Uke
04-24-2019, 11:41 AM
I have to disagree with this Bill. I have found that some of the comments made regarding the ukulele model, the builder, or the actual ukulele that is up for sale to be the deciding factor that made me pull the trigger on buying that instrument. Especially when I was new to the whole process. I also find comments regarding the seller to be helpful if they have a history of successful selling.

I often comment on a ukulele to try to boost interest and to bump the listing. Even though I am not planning to purchase.

I also have found some of the comments on both the ukuleles and on the sellers to be helpful. It still doesn't guarantee anything, of course, but has helped me decide if I wanted to buy something. I'm all for people posting comments, even if they don't intend to buy. They may have had first hand knowledge of that particular ukulele, or with the same model or make, and that can be helpful.

hollisdwyer
04-24-2019, 11:55 AM
I also have found some of the comments on both the ukuleles and on the sellers to be helpful. It still doesn't guarantee anything, of course, but has helped me decide if I wanted to buy something. I'm all for people posting comments, even if they don't intend to buy. They may have had first hand knowledge of that particular ukulele, or with the same model or make, and that can be helpful.

I think that we all agree that helpful comments about the instrument, seller and buyer are, well, helpful.

captain-janeway
04-24-2019, 11:59 AM
I'd use Paypal where it's not friends and family so you're both covered.
And yes I like the idea of the "hostage" pictures (with date written onto paper in a photo) so it doesn't look like it's pulled from a website or 5 years old.
I did a trade and a sell and had no problems with either.
i do fly by trust a lot. Bought a moped from a guy through Paypal in another town. He had the money, and he also delivered it to my door. This was through a moped website. You need to know the audience. Moped people are scruffy, but pretty honest.
I'd like to think uke people are the same. I don't know about the scruffy part lol.