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ghostrdr
05-27-2019, 08:34 PM
Obviously Facebook is evil and wants to contribute to my UAS...

According to FB, on my news feed, Chuck Moore delivered a new custom tenor with a killer headstock to the Ukulele Site today. Let the site refreshing, drooling, and perhaps auction watching begin! Someone is going to be super fortunate! :drool:

(Must resist... “it is useless to resist”)

Cheers!
Rich

kerneltime
05-27-2019, 08:41 PM
Saw it! Lovely stuff! The inlays would not mean much to me if they did not sound so damn good!
Chuck Moore is primarily an artist who happens to be an amazing luthier! Owning his ukes is more then just owning a good instrument..
Beau Hannam is next on list of amazing luthiers who are artists as well..

Jerryc41
05-27-2019, 11:53 PM
Saw it! Lovely stuff!

I don't see it there now, 5:44 AM Tuesday.

stevejfc
05-28-2019, 02:39 AM
Another beautiful MBU...……………….tremendous detail!

kerneltime
05-28-2019, 04:11 AM
I don't see it there now, 5:44 AM Tuesday.
Check HMS’s Facebook page

Joyful Uke
05-28-2019, 04:47 AM
Check HMS’s Facebook page

I don't do FB, so I hope that it will show up on the HMS site. Not that I'll be buying it, but I love to enjoy the photos and videos.

Jerryc41
05-28-2019, 05:23 AM
I don't do FB, so I hope that it will show up on the HMS site. Not that I'll be buying it, but I love to enjoy the photos and videos.

You don't have to "do" Facebook. All you have to do is look at their page - like visiting any other site.

https://www.facebook.com/HawaiiMusicSupply/

ghostrdr
05-28-2019, 07:35 AM
Here's the link on youtube.
https://youtu.be/uln8OlB2DGo

Jerryc41
05-28-2019, 07:51 AM
Here's the link on youtube.

How much? How much? I want it! Whatever the price, I'm sure it's beyond my consideration, but it certainly is beautiful.

kerneltime
05-28-2019, 08:31 AM
Most likely an auction

Joyful Uke
05-28-2019, 09:02 AM
Here's the link on youtube.
https://youtu.be/uln8OlB2DGo

Thanks!
Wow, the sound is amazing. Someone is going to have an incredible ukulele.

Kenn2018
05-28-2019, 10:06 AM
I can't help but wonder if his inlay design is squarely aimed at a Japanese demographic? I won't comment on its name.

mnb128
05-28-2019, 05:25 PM
The auction is now live. Happy bidding people. I’ll be cheering you on from the sidelines.

vanflynn
05-28-2019, 05:26 PM
Man, a bunch of the good notes and chords have been used up already. They are going to have to discount this one a lot. ��

bkrownd
05-28-2019, 07:02 PM
Is it mean to hope someone never retires...? :confused:

kerneltime
05-28-2019, 10:25 PM
Is it just me or is the octopus on the sound hole missing a tentacle?

mountain goat
05-28-2019, 11:05 PM
Wooooooowww!!!!!!!!

Jerryc41
05-29-2019, 12:59 AM
Is it just me or is the octopus on the sound hole missing a tentacle?

I didn't realize that was an octopus! I thought it was a ribbon or decoration. Maybe the "Lost Tentacle" is inside the sound hole. :)

AQUATOPAZ
05-29-2019, 05:41 AM
Seems like a guy's uke. If I were ever to purchase a Moore Bettah, it would definitely not be an Octopussy one. If there were a naked woman on it, she would be bathing, or an Amazon, etc.

Joyful Uke
05-29-2019, 06:34 AM
Seems like a guy's uke. If I were ever to purchase a Moore Bettah, it would definitely not be an Octopussy one. If there were a naked woman on it, she would be bathing, or an Amazon, etc.

I also thought that is a guy's ukulele. Incredible sounding ukulele, but the inlay isn't for me. I don't play tenors, and the price tag on that is too rich for me, so that's all beside the point anyway.

But, it is beautiful workmanship, even if not my taste. I do appreciate the skill involved.

pix.fairydust
05-29-2019, 07:04 AM
Hmmm, not my cup of tea at all. I'm sure it plays and sounds beautiful but aesthetically - not for me,

mountain goat
05-29-2019, 07:10 AM
I also thought that is a guy's ukulele.

don't disdain our lesbian friends here eh

Counter
05-29-2019, 07:15 AM
Hmmm, not my cup of tea at all. I'm sure it plays and sounds beautiful but aesthetically - not for me,

Me neither. Not a fan of overly embellished ukuleles. These always look like tattoos.

Jerryc41
05-29-2019, 07:15 AM
I see it's on UHH now. That's amazing craftsmanship and imagination. Getting the sound hole to look like that must have been quite a job. It's not for me, though. The headstock design and the octopus don't appeal to me. But that's just me. It has to be tough designing anything so that it has universal appeal. The auction is over $9,600 now.

https://www.theukulelesite.com/auction-moore-bettah-custom-tenor-1906.html

Jerryc41
05-29-2019, 07:16 AM
don't disdain our lesbian friends here eh

Beauty is beauty.

mountain goat
05-29-2019, 07:19 AM
Beauty is beauty.

exactly my friend.

AQUATOPAZ
05-29-2019, 07:21 AM
don't disdain our lesbian friends here eh

Presuming, of course, that lesbians would be into that representation of incredibly objectified women.

Jerryc41
05-29-2019, 07:41 AM
... incredibly objectified women.

:love::love::love:

The object of my affection
Has turned my complexion
From white to rosy red."

Joyful Uke
05-29-2019, 08:58 AM
Presuming, of course, that lesbians would be into that representation of incredibly objectified women.

But the octopus might be OK if your favorite Beatles song is Octopus's Garden.

I don't think I want a naked male or female on my ukulele, but I do appreciate the inlay skill involved.
And, that is an amazing sounding ukulele. I keep listening to the sound sample, because it sounds so great.

pix.fairydust
05-29-2019, 09:11 AM
The auction is over $9,600 now.


That's crazy! For such a niche (and other words) design I'm flabergasted that enough people like it that much to pay so much money.
I'm sorry but that headstock makes me cringe. Let's have a naked man wrestling a pink squid for a change :-/

prb035
05-29-2019, 11:12 AM
If it goes over 10K I’m out! :D

Nickie
05-29-2019, 11:17 AM
It's quite lovely. It sounds wonderful. But I wouldn't pay 9grand for it....
Every uke that Chuck builds is a unique piece of playable art.
I think you could say that about Beau's too.
But not many other luthiers fit into that uncanny and wonderful niche.
I met a guy who has 5 MB ukes. I think it's selfish, but he is a decent player...

Slade
05-29-2019, 11:43 AM
If it goes over 10K I’m out! :D
The MB that was auctioned last year went for 11.5K. This one will break 10K for sure.

Joyful Uke
05-29-2019, 11:58 AM
That's crazy! For such a niche (and other words) design I'm flabergasted that enough people like it that much to pay so much money.
I'm sorry but that headstock makes me cringe. Let's have a naked man wrestling a pink squid for a change :-/

The headstock design aside, the sound and construction are amazing. That koa is beautiful. And the sound is definitely music to my ears.
So, I suspect that is a big part of what is driving up the price, along with so few Moore Bettahs being available.

OTOH, I'd have to cover over the headstock, whether it's the current one, or a naked man wrestling a pink squid. But, the cool thing is that we have so many choices with ukuleles these days, and those who like the headstock design can enjoy that too.

My current guess is that it will sell for around $12,000, since there are still 10 days to go. Not that I'm ever right about these things. LOL.

Whoever gets it, enjoy it!

Joyful Uke
05-29-2019, 12:01 PM
It's quite lovely. It sounds wonderful. But I wouldn't pay 9grand for it....
Every uke that Chuck builds is a unique piece of playable art.
I think you could say that about Beau's too.
But not many other luthiers fit into that uncanny and wonderful niche.
I met a guy who has 5 MB ukes. I think it's selfish, but he is a decent player...

As long as he plays them all and was able to buy them without creating financial hardship in any way, I'd say he's very lucky.

prb035
05-29-2019, 12:01 PM
The MB that was auctioned last year went for 11.5K. This one will break 10K for sure.

I'll have to recount the available funds in our cookie jar! :D

AustinHing
05-29-2019, 02:10 PM
I'll have to recount the available funds in our cookie jar! :D

You have to post a NUD if you got it!

Jerryc41
05-29-2019, 10:27 PM
I'll have to recount the available funds in our cookie jar! :D

My "cookie jar" is flat, plastic, and about the size of a business card. :D

kkimura
05-30-2019, 03:15 AM
My "cookie jar" is flat, plastic, and about the size of a business card. :D

My cookie jar is running away screaming.

hawaii 50
05-30-2019, 04:07 AM
Me neither. Not a fan of overly embellished ukuleles. These always look like tattoos.

have you ever seen Chuck's work in person?

hawaii 50
05-30-2019, 04:13 AM
That's crazy! For such a niche (and other words) design I'm flabergasted that enough people like it that much to pay so much money.
I'm sorry but that headstock makes me cringe. Let's have a naked man wrestling a pink squid for a change :-/

I think saying you don't like the design(not your cup if tea) is fine as it is your opinion..:) but do need to keep repeating yourself over and over again on the same thread?

just trying to keep things real...:)

hawaii 50
05-30-2019, 04:20 AM
for some of you who have forgotten or do not know of Chuck Moore and his ukes...:)

http://www.moorebettahukes.com/

Counter
05-30-2019, 05:13 AM
have you ever seen Chuck's work in person?

Nope. Is that relevant? Nobody is doubting the quality or the greatness of the sound they produce but the aesthetics are definitely not for me. I've seen several pictures. Seeing it in person would not make me change my mind.

Jerryc41
05-30-2019, 05:33 AM
for some of you who have forgotten or do not know of Chuck Moore and his ukes...:)

http://www.moorebettahukes.com/

He certainly knows how to make a ukulele.

Counter
05-30-2019, 05:42 AM
I get the impression that regardless of the sound quality, these are more for collectors than players? The kind of people who have that classic Chevvy in the garage that hasn't seen a piece of tarmac for decades and the grandkids are not allowed to touch :D

YogiTom
05-30-2019, 05:56 AM
I get the impression that regardless of the sound quality, these are more for collectors than players? The kind of people who have that classic Chevvy in the garage that hasn't seen a piece of tarmac for decades and the grandkids are not allowed to touch :D

Maybe. But then again many professional musicians also have custom Moore Bettahs. I’m sure they also have customs from a multitude of other luthiers, too, but his ukes wouldn’t be so sought after if all they were was something pretty to look at behind glass.

The collectible factor definitely plays heavily into why people think this is worth over $10K—Chuck is a world class inlay artist and luthier making one-of-a-kind playable art pieces, isn’t taking custom orders anymore, and isn’t getting any younger—but back to my original point, if it didn’t sound as good as it looks, no one would be interested.

And honestly—diverging from OP here to piss off some classic motor and gear heads—I don’t think equating classic cars is quite the same. A custom MB uke will only get better with age if it is well cared for and played, whereas a classic car will only cost more and more money to keep running just well enough to get it on and off its trailer to be displayed.

Ukuleles, regardless of price, are instruments, and instruments should be played. If I owned a Stradivarius violin, I would immediately sell it to someone who I knew would be able to play it. Knowing there were only a finite number left in existence would only heighten my anxiety about it wasting away as a “collectible”. To me there is no sadder fate for an instrument than to sit behind a case to be looked at.

Two last things before my rant ends: I also do not care one bit for that headstock, or any of his other “pin-up” works for that matter; and I’ve seen mid-level bassoons and tubas that cost double what this MB will eventually sell for that aren’t nearly as pretty to look at, even with the aforementioned NSFW inlay work.

kerneltime
05-30-2019, 06:32 AM
Nope. Is that relevant? Nobody is doubting the quality or the greatness of the sound they produce but the aesthetics are definitely not for me. I've seen several pictures. Seeing it in person would not make me change my mind.
I would have agreed with you.. but after I saw the statue of David, I changed and realized the value of seeing art in person. I got my MBU cause I bought a uke from someone who was selling off what I thought were amazing ukes.. she apparently now mostly plays on her MBU.. then I heard the opinions of folks such as Matt Dahlberg and others.. and yes it was worth the money paid..

kerneltime
05-30-2019, 06:33 AM
I get the impression that regardless of the sound quality, these are more for collectors than players? The kind of people who have that classic Chevvy in the garage that hasn't seen a piece of tarmac for decades and the grandkids are not allowed to touch :D
Maybe some folks are collectors but I know at least 4 other folks in addition to myself who play their MBU on a regular basis..

AQUATOPAZ
05-30-2019, 06:39 AM
[QUOTE=YogiTom;2156017
I’ve seen mid-level bassoons and tubas that cost double what this MB will eventually sell for [/QUOTE]

Guess I'm lucky I don't play a bassoon or tuba. There are a myriad of high level, top quality ukes at these price ranges and below. One of the great things about ukes. We may go into shock at the prices, but few other instrument exist where you can get the best for the price of mid level or mediocre in other instruments.

kerneltime
05-30-2019, 06:39 AM
Maybe. But then again many professional musicians also have custom Moore Bettahs. I’m sure they also have customs from a multitude of other luthiers, too, but his ukes wouldn’t be so sought after if all they were was something pretty to look at behind glass.

The collectible factor definitely plays heavily into why people think this is worth over $10K—Chuck is a world class inlay artist and luthier making one-of-a-kind playable art pieces, isn’t taking custom orders anymore, and isn’t getting any younger—but back to my original point, if it didn’t sound as good as it looks, no one would be interested.

And honestly—diverging from OP here to piss off some classic motor and gear heads—I don’t think equating classic cars is quite the same. A custom MB uke will only get better with age if it is well cared for and played, whereas a classic car will only cost more and more money to keep running just well enough to get it on and off its trailer to be displayed.

Ukuleles, regardless of price, are instruments, and instruments should be played. If I owned a Stradivarius violin, I would immediately sell it to someone who I knew would be able to play it. Knowing there were only a finite number left in existence would only heighten my anxiety about it wasting away as a “collectible”. To me there is no sadder fate for an instrument than to sit behind a case to be looked at.

Two last things before my rant ends: I also do not care one bit for that headstock, or any of his other “pin-up” works for that matter; and I’ve seen mid-level bassoons and tubas that cost double what this MB will eventually sell for that aren’t nearly as pretty to look at, even with the aforementioned NSFW inlay work.
+1
The reason MBU are special is due the fact they sound as good as they play. You could get a company making factory ukes to collaborate with a world class artist to make a one of kind uke that sounds good but that still is not be the same.. Chuck decides everything from selection of woods, bracing to each aspect of the aesthetics and he does it all himself. FYI his wife makes pretty custom jewelry as well..

All this complaining about the subject matter of the art.. common.. He has a huge body of work which includes ships, landscapes, trees, flowers, insects and a lot more that we never got to see..

kerneltime
05-30-2019, 06:43 AM
Guess I'm lucky I don't play a bassoon or tuba. There are a myriad of high level, top quality ukes at these price ranges and below. One of the great things about ukes. We may go into shock at the prices, but few other instrument exist where you can get the best for the price of mid level or mediocre in other instruments.
Yup!!! So true..

YogiTom
05-30-2019, 09:48 AM
Guess I'm lucky I don't play a bassoon or tuba. There are a myriad of high level, top quality ukes at these price ranges and below. One of the great things about ukes. We may go into shock at the prices, but few other instrument exist where you can get the best for the price of mid level or mediocre in other instruments.

So not only are the good “learner” models expensive, but think out the future of playing one of these instruments. How many violins does an average metropolitan orchestra employ? 20-40 between Violin 1 & 2? How many bassoons or tubas? 1-2 bassoons and maybe 1 tuba. So not only is it expensive to get into learning, you’re also entering an insanely competitive job market in the pro realm.

Thankfully ukulele feels a lot less high stakes, largely as you point out, because it is relatively affordable to learn!

prb035
05-30-2019, 11:50 AM
It's still below 10K :D

kerneltime
05-30-2019, 12:04 PM
I think saying you don't like the design(not your cup if tea) is fine as it is your opinion..:) but do need to keep repeating yourself over and over again on the same thread?

just trying to keep things real...:)
I think you need to chill.. pix.fairydust just said something that is valid.. The inlay is rather erotic and weird at the same time.. Also, being a Dad and a Brother I have come to realize how important public display of roles each sex can play is important.. I would not buy that uke.. https://seejane.org/ even though I am a big MBU fan and I think he is free to create the art he chooses.

bkrownd
05-30-2019, 12:49 PM
for some of you who have forgotten or do not know of Chuck Moore and his ukes...:)

http://www.moorebettahukes.com/

I absolutely love the Skull Island one

Slade
05-30-2019, 12:55 PM
I think you need to chill.. pix.fairydust just said something that is valid.. The inlay is rather erotic and weird at the same time.. Also, being a Dad and a Brother I have come to realize how important public display of roles each sex can play is important.. I would not buy that uke.. https://seejane.org/ even though I am a big MBU fan and I think he is free to create the art he chooses.

Didn’t you make a bid for it? Or there must be another kerneltime. I think it was you so get off your equal opportunity soapbox. If you don’t like naked art than that’s cool. If you’re into that style of art than power to you. But don’t be a hypocrite and play both sides.

bkrownd
05-30-2019, 01:10 PM
The inlay is rather erotic and weird at the same time...

In other words, wonderfully fun. :cool: Whether you see a sea spirit with her familiar, or a sea creature sadly embracing a the drowned body of a shipwrecked woman, or a more Leda-and-the-swan style vibe, or whatever else. A long background of reading mythology and fantasy literature gives me a lot of interesting ideas about what might be represented...

hawaii 50
05-30-2019, 01:58 PM
I think you need to chill.. pix.fairydust just said something that is valid.. The inlay is rather erotic and weird at the same time.. Also, being a Dad and a Brother I have come to realize how important public display of roles each sex can play is important.. I would not buy that uke.. https://seejane.org/ even though I am a big MBU fan and I think he is free to create the art he chooses.



if you read my post I said it is fine that folks do not like the design of the MB not all folks like the same kind of art......but why do you need two threads to say how much you dislike it..once saying not his cup of tea then it makes him cringe...

as for me chilling out...that is what I am doing...:)

I am lucky I got to see all the auction MB ukes that come through the Ukulele Site as I live in the same town where Andrew does all the filming and recordings...I am close friends with Chuck and I know Chuck understands his art not for everyone...and has to much respect for others to question their taste...

yes Chuck feels better when he can design his own inlays..and that is what he is doing from now

AQUATOPAZ
05-30-2019, 02:20 PM
if you read my post I said it is fine that folks do not like the design of the MB not all folks like the same kind of art......but why do you need two threads to say how much you dislike it..once saying not his cup of tea then it makes him cringe...

as for me chilling out...that is what I am doing...:)

I am lucky I got to see all the auction MB ukes that come through the Ukulele Site as I live in the same town where Andrew does all the filming and recordings...I am close friends with Chuck and I know Chuck understands his art not for everyone...and has to much respect for others to question their taste...

yes Chuck feels better when he can design his own inlays..and that is what he is doing from now

Maybe his being your friend has colored your reaction and made you defensive about him, but objectively, there was nothing chill about your response, despite the smiley emoticons to tone it down. Whether you can see it or not, it was aggressive and rude and not conducive to the friendly atmosphere of sharing opinions here.

hawaii 50
05-30-2019, 02:26 PM
Maybe his being your friend has colored your reaction and made you defensive about him, but objectively, there was nothing chill about your response, despite the smiley emoticons to tone it down. Whether you can see it or not, it was aggressive and rude and not conducive to the friendly atmosphere of sharing opinions here.

yes being Chuck's good friend has colored my response...but was not trying to be aggressive or rude...so for that if that is how you read it I am sorry not my intention...I guess you need to know me...:)

again it is fine that not everyone likes his taste in art..:)
as for chilling I meant to say I am chilling out now....

mnb128
05-30-2019, 04:26 PM
I’ve stayed out of this thread intentionally, because the subject matter is ripe for argument, but I’m gonna jump into the fire anyway with a couple of thoughts.

1) The talent and skill involved in this uke is absolutely tremendous. That cannot be argued.
2) Is it tasteful or tasteless? Is it artistic expression or objectification? You can argue one way or the other, but you’ll never win, regardless of which side you fall on. I will readily admit that it’s not my style, but I still love it for the time, skill, and commitment that went into it. And, my goodness, the sound is breathtaking.
3) Let’s not waste our time looking for reasons to get upset by other people’s comments. Make your point, move on, and know that people are going to disagree with you. That’s life. There are far more important things to get upset about.

So, let’s all just uke on with a smile. We’re all friends here. :cheers:

pix.fairydust
05-30-2019, 07:26 PM
if you read my post I said it is fine that folks do not like the design of the MB not all folks like the same kind of art......but why do you need two threads to say how much you dislike it..once saying not his cup of tea then it makes him cringe...

as for me chilling out...that is what I am doing...:)

I am lucky I got to see all the auction MB ukes that come through the Ukulele Site as I live in the same town where Andrew does all the filming and recordings...I am close friends with Chuck and I know Chuck understands his art not for everyone...and has to much respect for others to question their taste...

yes Chuck feels better when he can design his own inlays..and that is what he is doing from now

I wasn't going to comment again but will now. Firstly I'm a her, not him! Secondly my 2nd comment was particularly regards to a previous comment about the price. I didn't bash anyone, I said it sounds beautiful which it does, I haven't tried to defend my stance and my opinion when other have said they liked it. It just seemed rude to single one person out for commenting "over and over again" and tell her to ”keep things real” when in fact it was only 2 comments, the second of which wasn't a carbon copy of the first. Many people have contributed repeatedly to this thread, not sure why mine hot a nerve particularly.
Enough said, live and let live.

kerneltime
05-30-2019, 07:35 PM
I wasn't going to comment again but will now. Firstly I'm a her, not him! Secondly my 2nd comment was particularly regards to a previous comment about the price. I didn't bash anyone, I said it sounds beautiful which it does, I haven't tried to defend my stance and my opinion when other have said they liked it. It just seemed rude to single one person out for commenting "over and over again" and tell her to ”keep things real” when in fact it was only 2 comments, the second of which wasn't a carbon copy of the first. Many people have contributed repeatedly to this thread, not sure why mine hot a nerve particularly.
Enough said, live and let live.
:agree:
Yup! We all need to step back and realize this truly is art if it is leading to passionate discussions :-) and play our ukes..
Update: I made some incorrect assumptions about what Chuck plans to do! I apologize.. I have deleted the relevant text.

AQUATOPAZ
05-30-2019, 07:40 PM
I’ve stayed out of this thread intentionally, because the subject matter is ripe for argument, but I’m gonna jump into the fire anyway with a couple of thoughts.

1) The talent and skill involved in this uke is absolutely tremendous. That cannot be argued.
2) Is it tasteful or tasteless? Is it artistic expression or objectification? You can argue one way or the other, but you’ll never win, regardless of which side you fall on. I will readily admit that it’s not my style, but I still love it for the time, skill, and commitment that went into it. And, my goodness, the sound is breathtaking.
3) Let’s not waste our time looking for reasons to get upset by other people’s comments. Make your point, move on, and know that people are going to disagree with you. That’s life. There are far more important things to get upset about.

So, let’s all just uke on with a smile. We’re all friends here. :cheers:

Something CAN be both artistic, and objectifying. Those are not mutually exclusive, and I don't think anyone has suggested that it is wrong to have made it or to want it. Art is a very personal thing and speaks to us differently. I didn't see anyone getting upset about being disagreed with, though feathers were ruffled by some wording. Still, other than responding about concerns, I don't think anyone is angry. Relax. I am sure we are all fine.

Counter
05-30-2019, 08:01 PM
There is a big difference between art and kitsch. We all need to remember that. A luthier can be an artist for sure but decoration can easily become kitsch if one isn't too careful.

AQUATOPAZ
05-30-2019, 08:06 PM
There is a big difference between art and kitsch. We all need to remember that. A luthier can be an artist for sure but decoration can easily become kitsch if one isn't too careful.

Tell Andy Warhol that. Kitsch can be an art.

Counter
05-30-2019, 08:15 PM
Tell Andy Warhol that. Kitsch can be an art.

It can be bad art. But Warhol could draw at least.

hawaii 50
05-30-2019, 08:15 PM
:agree:
Yup! We all need to step back and realize this truly is art if it is leading to passionate discussions :-) and play our ukes.. that said I think Beau Hannam seems the most promising of the newer lot who does it all.. any others people can turn to now that Chuck is semi retired and his ukes will from now on mostly be auctioned...
Hawaii50 since you have the insider scoop on things, is he planning to only do auctions or does he sell still?

I hope Chuck keeps building...:) all his fully inlayed ukes may be going to Andrew for auction but I am guessing...if you follow Chuck on his f/b page and on his website you will see if he is in his shop..he will give hints but you have to figure out what he is doing....I think if he builds his non inlayed ukes you can get from him if you are lucky

Chuck one of the nicest guys around he cares about people and the Island he lives on so much knowledge about life...I am lucky to call him friend and wishing you all could meet him in person...

kerneltime
05-30-2019, 08:32 PM
I hope Chuck keeps building...:) all his fully inlayed ukes may be going to Andrew for auction but I am guessing...if you follow Chuck on his f/b page and on his website you will see if he is in his shop..he will give hints but you have to figure out what he is doing....I think if he builds his non inlayed ukes you can get from him if you are lucky

Chuck one of the nicest guys around he cares about people and the Island he lives on so much knowledge about life...I am lucky to call him friend and wishing you all could meet him in person...

I think you need to change the quote of my message.. I was incorrect in my assumption.. I have updated the comment.. he has only stopped taking custom orders (this is the semi retirement bit), other than that he is still building and selling his ukes and not just auctions..

Chuck is an amazing person this was evident to me in my dealings with him which were limited to email and FB!! I do plan to meet him in person (which should be next year).

AndrewKuker
05-30-2019, 08:32 PM
http://youtu.be/_m67JbGjWnc

I always liked this scene in Madmen. Kind of a proud feminist moment. Maybe just cause that show had so much frustration around the bs women went through. But imo there is something in it that says…women don’t need men.

kerneltime
05-30-2019, 08:36 PM
http://youtu.be/_m67JbGjWnc

I always liked this scene in Madmen. Kind of a proud feminist moment. Maybe just cause that show had so much frustration around the bs women went through. But imo there is something in it that says…women don’t need men.
Oh! I guess the inlay way is inspired by japanese art? https://www.huffpost.com/entry/shunga-exhibit_n_4018457

bkrownd
05-30-2019, 08:39 PM
There is a big difference between art and kitsch. We all need to remember that. A luthier can be an artist for sure but decoration can easily become kitsch if one isn't too careful.

I often like my art with a healthy helping of kitsch. That's what makes it fun.

Counter
05-30-2019, 08:43 PM
I often like my art with a healthy helping of kitsch. That's what makes it fun.

Yes, this is where we are with art in the 21st century. It's 'fun'.

bkrownd
05-30-2019, 08:46 PM
Yes, this is where we are with art in the 21st century. It's 'fun'.

I sure hope so.

kerneltime
05-30-2019, 08:57 PM
Got to learn something new ! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsch

AQUATOPAZ
05-30-2019, 09:14 PM
It can be bad art. But Warhol could draw at least.

The judging of art as good and bad can be a slippery slope. What's your opinion on Pollock?

Counter
05-30-2019, 09:18 PM
The judging of art as good and bad can be a slippery slope. What's your opinion on Pollock?

Very overrated but he, like most famous artists, existed at the right place at the right time and was promoted by the right people.

prb035
05-31-2019, 11:53 AM
Didn’t you make a bid for it? Or there must be another kerneltime.

There is a list of bidders? I thought this information would be kept private? :D

bkrownd
05-31-2019, 12:17 PM
Yeah, the bids are listed on the auction page. Although, I have no idea why people would bid so early unless they're trying to drive the price up so high it will scare off other potential bidders, which sure is an expensive way to go.

kerneltime
05-31-2019, 01:28 PM
Didn’t you make a bid for it? Or there must be another kerneltime. I think it was you so get off your equal opportunity soapbox. If you don’t like naked art than that’s cool. If you’re into that style of art than power to you. But don’t be a hypocrite and play both sides.
Yes, that was me. If I wanted to make the winning bid I would have been doing that instead of the first bid.
I am not being a hypocrite.. I guess I am not operating as per your rules for compliance to a viewpoint.. but I will try to explain where I am at.

Like any piece of art, appreciation of it does not imply totally alignment and agreement on all aspects of behaviour around it.

pix.fairydust is justified in stating opinion, an opinion that I can empathize with due to the reasons I listed.
It was unfair in this forum to complain that pix.fairy is going on and on about it... the member wasn't..

Let me elaborate using analogies..

Would I watch game of thrones and enjoy it? It includes incest, rape, murder.. Would I show it to kids who are not ready for it? No I would not.. If someone complained that they do not get some aspects of it, would I think they are being too much if I can empathise with their viewpoint?

The painting below is one of the most amazing pieces of art I have seen in person.. would I buy tickets and wait in line to see it? Yes.. Would I put this or a replica on the wall facing my dinner table? No.. If someone wants to look the other way and express their emotions, would I try to shame them? No...


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Judit_y_Holofernes%2C_por_Caravaggio.jpg/1920px-Judit_y_Holofernes%2C_por_Caravaggio.jpg
Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Beheading_Holofernes_(Caravaggio)

So yes I did bid on it, these auctions are rare and when I visited it, I had the opp to endorse the work and be the first person to bid and I did. Do I plan to put in the winning bid.. no.. did I raise the price by a tiny bit.. sure but the person who wins it will still be happy! I do understand why it can be seen as objectifying women as sexual objects.. yes.. do I share the opinion.. depends on the context.. if a women was to walk out of an room rocking that uke.. no.. I think this uke is best in the hands of a women who loves a uke that much..

I find people expectations to have absolute beliefs, views and actions to be odd, specially in the context of music instruments.. where there really are no rules just guidelines and context.

mjh42
06-03-2019, 12:17 PM
Well I'm of the opinion that it is alright to buy up to the level of the instrument that one aspires to play. Don't know that I will ever be able own and play a $10K ukulele. The sound samples provided speak for themselves....and if one likes the inlay art and has the cash, then by all means enjoy the instrument. I'm also of the opinion that instruments should be played, that's when one "see's" them at their best.

bkrownd
06-03-2019, 03:56 PM
Play the hell out of it, even if we suck. We can at least fondle its goodness. :D

kerneltime
06-08-2019, 10:18 AM
Play the hell out of it, even if we suck. We can at least fondle its goodness. :D
Auction ends today!
for all those who are shocked by prices.. here is what a high end flute sounds and costs.. warning.. very verbose video but skip forward for a good comparison between the 2 flutes

https://youtu.be/qsx2ZognvDs

rainbow21
06-08-2019, 03:41 PM
$9750 winning bid by UkePat

Nickie
06-08-2019, 04:57 PM
HOLY FRIGGIN COW!
Congrats to UkePat.

keenonuke
06-08-2019, 05:10 PM
$9750 winning bid by UkePat

Good for UkePat, I hope it's one of their dream ukuleles :-)

AQUATOPAZ
06-08-2019, 06:53 PM
So, Frankie had the high bid for most of the auction and the winning bid was less than $100 more than his bid. Do you think Frankie was hoping to win, or, as no one else bid for a week, praying for someone to place a higher bid?

AndrewKuker
06-08-2019, 09:17 PM
So, Frankie had the high bid for most of the auction and the winning bid was less than $100 more than his bid. Do you think Frankie was hoping to win, or, as no one else bid for a week, praying for someone to place a higher bid?

Actually our server blocked some auction plugin functions with 4 hours left because of an attempted security breach. Frankie was not able to bid along with others. People not happy about it and I wasn't available to fix things. I’ll have to figure it out and maybe run it for another day between the people trying to bid.

70sSanO
06-08-2019, 09:22 PM
I have not done an HMS/Ukulele Site auction so I don’t know if a maximum bid automatically becomes the current bid or if it is a “bid up to” like eBay. If it is a bid up to, then $10k Might be a magic number threshold. Once someone gets that high, if someone really wants it, it doesn’t matter if the bid ends up at $9.5k or $9.75k. I would think going from 4 to 5 figures might give pause to continue bidding.

John

YogiTom
06-08-2019, 10:53 PM
Actually our server blocked some auction plugin functions with 4 hours left because of an attempted security breach. Frankie was not able to bid along with others. People not happy about it and I wasn't available to fix things. I’ll have to figure it out and maybe run it for another day between the people trying to bid.

Sounds like the most fair fix.

Unrelated, but it’s the little things like this that have earned Andrew and his team my wholehearted trust as a repeat customer.

kerneltime
06-09-2019, 02:51 AM
Actually our server blocked some auction plugin functions with 4 hours left because of an attempted security breach. Frankie was not able to bid along with others. People not happy about it and I wasn't available to fix things. I’ll have to figure it out and maybe run it for another day between the people trying to bid.
That explains it.. only a single bid towards the end did not seem normal.

AQUATOPAZ
06-09-2019, 04:20 AM
So, Frankie had the high bid for most of the auction and the winning bid was less than $100 more than his bid. Do you think Frankie was hoping to win, or, as no one else bid for a week, praying for someone to place a higher bid?

Definitely sounds like the fair way to go.

keenonuke
06-09-2019, 04:35 AM
Sounds like the most fair fix.

Unrelated, but it’s the little things like this that have earned Andrew and his team my wholehearted trust as a repeat customer.
If this is subject to voting I agree with YogiTom. That being said, Andrew could reach out to the bidders and ask their wishes. Good Luck Andrew with your difficult task of keeping multiple parties happy.

AQUATOPAZ
06-09-2019, 04:43 AM
If this is subject to voting I agree with YogiTom. That being said, Andrew could reach out to the bidders and ask their wishes. Good Luck Andrew with your difficult task of keeping multiple parties happy.

Unless they all agree, that would have the capacity of making the person(s) who's idea wasn't used upset. Andrew has the right idea. There are different ways to implement it, but giving them all an opportunity to place the bid(s) they couldn't should be part of it.

Joyful Uke
06-09-2019, 05:11 AM
I was very surprised that it didn't even make it to $10K, but Andrew's explanation clears up that mystery. I hope the problem is resolved to the satisfaction of all concerned. Technology can fail us at important times.

Whoever ultimately wins the auction, I hope that they play and enjoy the ukulele for years to come. The sound of that ukulele is amazing. And I hope that there are more MBs to come, even if I'll never get to own one. I enjoy the auctions vicariously, and love listening to the sound samples.

keenonuke
06-09-2019, 05:25 AM
In a dream world it would be great if each bidder could have the Moore Bettah of their dreams. Or the right to first refusal on a $10,000 Bettah and take turns through a lot system. Ah in a land of Somewhere Over the Rainbow. ;-)

Ragtop232
06-09-2019, 06:16 AM
Very tough situation. However, this was an auction and in my opinion, should be no do-overs. This would be like eBay telling a winner bidder they actually didn’t win the item because of a technical glitch. I know if I was UkePat and all of a sudden I’m told I did not win the auction after playing by the rules, I would be pissed. Just my opinion if I was the winning bidder.

kerneltime
06-09-2019, 07:06 AM
eBay can do that if they wanted.. at their scale if tech issues played a role in ability to bid, it won’t make a huge difference to them. For HMS ability of their customers to be able to reliably bid on a rare item is huge... specially if this is caused by external attempts to hack. Also, the bidding format they use waits for the last bid to hold for a few minutes before they close it.. if a DOS attack caused only one bid to go through, rebid is the only legit move... It is analogous to a whole room of people screaming random crap after a bid is placed denying any one else to bid higher.. it is not fair.

AQUATOPAZ
06-09-2019, 11:27 AM
Very tuff situation. However, this was an auction and in my opinion, should be no do-overs. This would be like eBay telling a winner bidder they actually didn’t win the item because of a technical glitch. I know if I was UkePat and all of a sudden I’m told I did not win the auction after playing by the rules, I would be pissed. Just my opinion if I was the winning bidder.

I presume if ebay had that glitch the seller would want to cancel the sale and relist as they might have ended up with a much lower ending price than they were entitled to.

Ragtop232
06-09-2019, 11:31 AM
I presume if ebay had that glitch the seller would want to cancel the sale and relist as they might have ended up with a much lower ending price than they were entitled to.

All good points. As I said, tough situation for all parties involved.

Jim

AustinHing
06-09-2019, 04:26 PM
To be honest, I don’t want a 10k uke even if I could afford it. I cannot imagine the amount of fear that I will have that I could in any way, intentional or not, to put a tiny ding on it.

I would do so much extra stuff to keep the uke safe and likely be so ever careful when playing. Most probably I don’t even play it at all. Of course, different people differ strokes.

Nickie
06-09-2019, 05:37 PM
To me, a retired nurse, my Loprinzi might as well be a MB.
IT already shows wear from strumming it (Not scratches) and I don't mind, really, it just has that "I've been played" look.
As many UUers have stated here, I don't buy my ukes for looks, even though I like them to be pretty, I buy them to play the heck out of.
If I was crazy rich enough to afford $10K ukes, they would probably look played before long. And I wouldn't mind.

AustinHing
06-09-2019, 06:36 PM
To me, a retired nurse, my Loprinzi might as well be a MB.
IT already shows wear from strumming it (Not scratches) and I don't mind, really, it just has that "I've been played" look.
As many UUers have stated here, I don't buy my ukes for looks, even though I like them to be pretty, I buy them to play the heck out of.
If I was crazy rich enough to afford $10K ukes, they would probably look played before long. And I wouldn't mind.

Agreed with you. A kamaka entry level would be my MB. I would play it like it’s a 50 bucks ukulele too.

AndrewKuker
06-09-2019, 11:32 PM
What a mess. It wasn’t “fair” because people that wanted it were not able to bid. It was over by the time Corey got back to me that even he wasn’t able to bid for the customer. And right after that my server tells me they closed part of the extension 4 hours earlier. But with that said, I didn’t end the auction. It closed and someone won and they did everything by the rules. So I have to sell it to them and hope for forgiveness from others. I really do feel horrible. And I feel like this is TMI for UU but I opened the can of worms so I thought I should close it up.

Ragtop232
06-10-2019, 01:08 AM
Andrew, this was a bad situation for all involved I think. However, as you stated since the auction closed, the buyer won the item and played by the rules, so they should be awarded the item. I know others that wanted to bid are frustrated and disappointed, but I personally think you did the right thing here.

Jim

ghostrdr
06-10-2019, 03:40 AM
What a mess. It wasn’t “fair” because people that wanted it were not able to bid. It was over by the time Corey got back to me that even he wasn’t able to bid for the customer. And right after that my server tells me they closed part of the extension 4 hours earlier. But with that said, I didn’t end the auction. It closed and someone won and they did everything by the rules. So I have to sell it to them and hope for forgiveness from others. I really do feel horrible. And I feel like this is TMI for UU but I opened the can of worms so I thought I should close it up.

I guess the best way forward is to beg Chuck to make more ukuleles....

Joyful Uke
06-10-2019, 05:14 AM
What a mess. It wasn’t “fair” because people that wanted it were not able to bid. It was over by the time Corey got back to me that even he wasn’t able to bid for the customer. And right after that my server tells me they closed part of the extension 4 hours earlier. But with that said, I didn’t end the auction. It closed and someone won and they did everything by the rules. So I have to sell it to them and hope for forgiveness from others. I really do feel horrible. And I feel like this is TMI for UU but I opened the can of worms so I thought I should close it up.

Technology is fantastic when it works well, and can be a nightmare when it doesn't.
Sorry that this was a mess, but we all know that you did your best, and sometimes things just happen.

keenonuke
06-10-2019, 06:55 AM
I guess the best way forward is to beg Chuck to make more ukuleles....

It would be great if the bidders could get first dibs on Chuck's ukuleles. Just my thoughts.

Nickie
06-10-2019, 11:41 AM
What a mess. It wasn’t “fair” because people that wanted it were not able to bid. It was over by the time Corey got back to me that even he wasn’t able to bid for the customer. And right after that my server tells me they closed part of the extension 4 hours earlier. But with that said, I didn’t end the auction. It closed and someone won and they did everything by the rules. So I have to sell it to them and hope for forgiveness from others. I really do feel horrible. And I feel like this is TMI for UU but I opened the can of worms so I thought I should close it up.

Andrew, IDK what happened, but it sounds fishy.
Sorry you had less than a great experience.

Slade
06-10-2019, 11:43 AM
What a mess. It wasn’t “fair” because people that wanted it were not able to bid. It was over by the time Corey got back to me that even he wasn’t able to bid for the customer. And right after that my server tells me they closed part of the extension 4 hours earlier. But with that said, I didn’t end the auction. It closed and someone won and they did everything by the rules. So I have to sell it to them and hope for forgiveness from others. I really do feel horrible. And I feel like this is TMI for UU but I opened the can of worms so I thought I should close it up.

I was one of the bidders but I get it Andrew. No harm, no foul and nobody died so no big deal.

Kenn2018
06-10-2019, 12:02 PM
What a mess. It wasn’t “fair” because people that wanted it were not able to bid. It was over by the time Corey got back to me that even he wasn’t able to bid for the customer. And right after that my server tells me they closed part of the extension 4 hours earlier. But with that said, I didn’t end the auction. It closed and someone won and they did everything by the rules. So I have to sell it to them and hope for forgiveness from others. I really do feel horrible. And I feel like this is TMI for UU but I opened the can of worms so I thought I should close it up.

Andrew, If I was one of the unsuccessful bidders, I'd be disappointed, but would understand your position. As you say, the winner played by the rules. The others did as well, but circumstances made it impossible for them to place their bids. Your decision is probably the best one out of all your choices.

I hope your IT people are able to prevent this sort of thing from happening again. It's a shame that you have to contend with this sort of thing, but it's a hazard of the times.

raffrox
06-11-2019, 06:01 PM
Look up Stephen Bradbury the famous Olympic Gold Medal winning skater.
I like the fact that we have seen the artwork and discovered that there are places near Honolulu where humans and octopuses can interact has been a useful experience.

While I just appreciate anything that gives us a chance to have Steve Bradbury references :)