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seeso
05-29-2009, 07:42 AM
Hello, new ukers and UU'ers. I was hoping I could get a sense of how welcome you guys feel here at the Underground.

I was under the impression that we were a relatively welcoming bunch, but a couple of recent posts have led me to question that belief.

So my questions to the new users are:

Do you feel welcome here? Do you feel like you can post a new thread and/or ask a question without fear? Are we too clique-y?

Your replies in this thread will go a long way toward shaping my policies and behavior as a mod and member of UU, so please be as honest as possible.

Thanks!

spazus_maximus
05-29-2009, 07:53 AM
I am not sure how to put this without seeming ungrateful for the advice I have recieved here.....

But it seems as if the "regulars" here all seem to know each other.....reminds me of growing up in a small town....when someone new comes around they have to work they're way into the inner circle...However you guys do jump right in & offer help & advice abundantly.....so if a clique has formed so be it....relationships are good & tight knit community is better.

Maybe with enough time I can be as cool as Aldrine,Seeso,Deach,Rayan & so on:rolleyes:....I know...keep dreaming:D:D


Also just the fact that you started this thread says quite a bit about your character.

UkeNukem
05-29-2009, 08:00 AM
Hey, I had been thinking about getting a uke for several years. Last year I went on several uke forums (not UU) and they were not as friendly as UU. You nice folks here helped me get the info I needed to buy the right uke for me and start learning. That was less than two months ago and I feel right at home here. Second uke gets delivered today BTW.

In my profession (library) we often think in terms of "collective knowledge base", that's what UU is!

***NEWS FLASH - THIS JUST IN***

So while I'm typing this post the UPS man delivered my new uke! I was ordering something from Musicians Friend and could not resist adding on a Rogue Soprano. I expect it will need some tweaking but may do a video review "out of the box".

Thanks again all you UUers! :worship:

UkeNukem
05-29-2009, 08:03 AM
"be as cool as Aldrine,Seeso,Deach,Rayan ":nana:

Well, I bought 2 fedoras after joining UU and getting a uke but the cool part comes from the inside. We all have it, just gotta "let it out".:cool:

rayan
05-29-2009, 08:11 AM
I would recommend for anyone, if you think someone is being a douchebag tell a mod to give them a warning.

Mods don't be afraid to give warnings to people if they are acting rude. It's in the rules so you can do that.

ukebrudder
05-29-2009, 08:12 AM
I've been on plenty of other forums (not for the ukulele) and nobody gives as much advice as you guys on here do. I remember posting my first thread wondering what people will respond to it, or if people will respond to it at all. Not only did they respond with the information I was seeking, but they all did it in a welcoming manner. It seems to me that the ukulele appeals to down-to-earth, friendly people, thats why everyone on here is of such help.

ukebrudder
05-29-2009, 08:16 AM
...could not resist adding on a Rogue Soprano. I expect it will need some tweaking but may do a video review "out of the box".

That was my first uke! Not the best of ukes, but definitely well worth the money. I'd like to see your review of it.

wfwhitson
05-29-2009, 08:23 AM
Sorry for the cut, and paste Rayan, I did this to bring out a point.

Everyone needs to check number 3 on your post for new users



Welcome to the Ukulele Underground. We're glad that you're excited to start learning the ukulele but before posting in the forum please read and follows these guidelines.

1. Your question may have already been answered in a previous thread. Please try to use the search function in the top tool bar first before posting a question. There is already a scrooge McDuck size vault of knowledge here, just have to do a little searching to find it.

2. Don't 'post whore'. We realize that you may be very excited to jump into the community but please refrain from excessive posting. What is excessive posting? If you are the last post in all of the threads on the 'New Posts' page, you may want to slow down a little.

3. If you are already a seasoned pro and know it, you must check your ego at the door. This is a community dedicated to helping new ukulele players as well as a place for pros to "pay it forward" and pass on their knowledge. Lets not forget that we were all beginners at one point in time and how grateful we were when someone would teach us a chord or show us how to play a song.

8890
05-29-2009, 08:25 AM
You're clique-y, for sure, but I do feel welcome. Honestly. I read way more than I post, but that's just the way I am.

As for downright rude posts, I can remember only two examples. Neither were from the regulars.

Denno
05-29-2009, 08:26 AM
Yes........

deach
05-29-2009, 08:26 AM
.....

But it seems as if the "regulars" here all seem to know each other.....reminds me of growing up in a small town....when someone new comes around they have to work they're way into the inner circle...However you guys do jump right in & offer help & advice abundantly.....so if a clique has formed so be it....relationships are good & tight knit community is better.

Maybe with enough time I can be as cool as Aldrine,Seeso,Deach,Rayan & so on:rolleyes:....

Regulars are regulars because they POST here regularly. There is no inner circle. I am sarcastic to everyone regardless of how much they post.


I would recommend for anyone, if you think someone is being a douchebag tell a mod to give them a warning. ....

Mods - please give Rayan a warning. He is being a douchebag by not clearing out his PM box.

hoosierhiver
05-29-2009, 08:43 AM
I hope noobs feel welcome here because they definitely are. We are a ever expanding family. I think the more you participate, the quicker you will feel a "part of the gang". I can think of several "noobs" that I've grown fond of already.

Witters
05-29-2009, 08:48 AM
OK I voted always because I have found it that way.

Some forums which will remain nameless have certain people who think they are above others. Sometimes to the extent of talking down to someone, being rude, and generally having an air of snobbery.

It would be easy to get into a fight with a lot of people at one particular forum, and I no longer even look in anymore.

I have never found this on this forum and it comes over generally helpful with plenty of information. I have even emailed a couple of members who I doubt I will ever get the chance to meet and asked their opinion on a couple of things, and got a reply even though they have no idea who I am. So no snobbery here as far as I can see and everyone seems very helpful.

P-Uker
05-29-2009, 08:57 AM
Yep. This seems like a pretty friendly and welcoming bunch on here. I'm looking forward to meeting some of the regulars next weekend at the World Congress!

uke4all
05-29-2009, 09:00 AM
I wouldnt say clique-y,but these people have been around probably since the beginning, so they have come to know each other.Some of my posts have been responded to by some regulars and it may me feel worthy! haha! I'm in no hurry to be a regular, because like others,I mostly read.I find great things on the forum,along with a lot of silly things,but sometimes that just brightens my day.So, thanks to all!!

Intrigued
05-29-2009, 09:15 AM
I've been lurking a bit after my one post regarding what I should buy as a starter uke. The responses to that thread were extremely helpful, and almost everything I have read does read off as a welcoming community.

That said, I am 100% sure that I also read through one of the threads that you are now talking about. It was a pretty bitter conversation that got out of hand. The OP was getting pretty angry that all the usual posters were railing him with the same response and how he was approaching the situation completely wrong, and that he was being way too quick to judge/complain. I'm sure by now everyone who has read it knows exactly what I'm talking about.

Anyway, the fact is, that poster didn't come in warranting a welcome. The post started with all sorts of complaints about how bad a certain company was, without first trying to make any contact with them to resolve the situation. Then, when several members told the user that wasn't exactly good manners, and that he should try a little before bashing, all parties involved started getting extremely defensive. In the midst of the situation going south, the original complaint actually got resolved, but there was still a lot of bitterness among most of the poster in that thread, I think.

It was very unfortunate, but I don't think it represents the attitude of the community in any way (especially in regards to how welcoming it is). As a noobie myself, I almost wanted to step in and stand up for the other posters, but decided sometimes it is better to stay out of the flame-type threads, even if you have the best intention.

Sorry to dig out and open up that wound, but I figured it is kind of like the elephant in the room. As someone who has looked around the forums and seen a lot of examples of how the community acts, I think I can safely say that that was an anomaly. In the future, I guess you could handle threads like that by sending in a moderator sooner to lock it up, but really, there's not much you can do. You can't come somewhere with a bad attitude about something and then expect a pity party. I think some of the posters here at UU got a little caught up in the emotion of it, and were quick to get defensive on behalf of those who were getting knocked, and they could've handled it better, but it happens. Sometimes you have to stand up for what you believe in, it just sucks when you jump into that situation and then it ends up seeming like you backed the new guy into a corner.

Anyway, I am done with that rant. After reading that thread I guess I had a lot to say about it, but, like I said, I didn't want to fan the flames while it was still going. All in all, I think it's a great community, and that there shouldn't be any major changes in trying to cater to new members, I think you already do a great job. Sometimes accidents happen, and you don't necessarily have to change anything because of that, but I do commend you for at least analyzing the situation, and considering change if necessary.

Finally, I'm thinking that we are getting some non-noobs posts here. Follow the rules! :mad:

...kidding!

p.s. Sorry to anyone who actually read all that.

lolsara
05-29-2009, 09:26 AM
I feel welcomed! I haven't posted much- mainly just reading. But as someone said earlier, I think this forum is pretty down to earth. I don't know anyone, but if I have a question it gets answered.

khrome
05-29-2009, 09:27 AM
When I was new I noticed people knew each other but I didn't feel it was cliquey. I didn't feel part of the community right away which is normal - any community, online or in person, is not going to be completely open to you (unless it's some weirdo cult), and you have to give a little to get a little. For example, UU was not going to know who I was if all I asked were uke-related questions, so in the beginning I posted to the getting-to-know-you type threads a lot. Like the Introduction thread, and when did you first start playing, and what is your favorite *insert thing here*. Eventually I got to know them, they got to know me, and that's all it really takes to feel part of a community - is how well you know it's members. :)

bbycrts
05-29-2009, 09:27 AM
So...here I am 700 plus posts later thinking, "how did that happen???" I've never had more than 300 posts in ANY forum I've been a part of. Now, there is this certain thread over in General Discussion that I'm sure accounts for a majority of my posts...come on over and check it out for a dose of extreme weirdness and silliness...but I would never have gotten where I am without the incredible friendliness and camaraderie on UU.

As for a clique - yes, the oldtimers do know each other just by virtue of their time spent here, but the clique seems to be open to all - jump in, be friendly, tell your story, ask your questions, and suddenly you'll find yourself a part of the family! And to feel more comfortable quicker, come on over to General Discussion - it's where you really get to know some of the characters here!

generem
05-29-2009, 09:32 AM
Im still fairly new but a PW so im up the 400's but even from day 1, I felt very welcome here in UU. :shaka:

Myala509
05-29-2009, 09:33 AM
I say the only way for us newbs too combat against the reulgulars clique of knowing each other is to make our own clique.

lolsara
05-29-2009, 09:43 AM
Can I be part of the noob clique? Hahaha. I need more friends that understand that the ukulele is not A TOY.*sigh*

snowcooley
05-29-2009, 10:00 AM
I've found UU fairly welcoming. There are definitely times that I feel like an utter n00b for not knowing the name of a well-respected ukulele player, or the back-story on a particular UU member (those are things the search function isn't so good for). That stuff can really suck and has the potential to outweigh good things, if you let it feel like there's a secret clique you're not a part of.

That said, I feel like every time I've asked a question, I've gotten very useful and thoughtful responses. More often than not, I see older members giving quite patient and polite responses-- even to requests for chords for "I'm Yours". Although there are threads that makes me cringe every so often (you know, the ones dedicated to ogling attractive lady ukulele-players, specifically), I do see people step up and voice their disapproval or work to remedy the situation.

It's lovely to get comments on Youtube from UU members, and it definitely makes my day to see how friendly people can be here. I feel much more comfortable commenting on peoples' videos now that I have a vague idea who some people are, and the contests I have seen have been an awesome way for me to hear some new music, pick up some technique, and feel a general sense of camaraderie.

Okay, blah blah blah. I don't think there's too much of a UU Old Boys Club, and I've mostly felt very welcome. I think Aldrine and Rayan and the mods seem to have done a fantastic job cleanin' up the streets (or making sure the streets were clean to begin with)...

Plus, it doesn't hurt to know there are a large number of Firefly/Joss Whedon fans around here. ;)

seeso
05-29-2009, 10:04 AM
Plus, it doesn't hurt to know there are a large number of Firefly/Joss Whedon fans around here. ;)

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3/Mini_Sage_13/Random%20stuff/Browncoats.jpg

Thanks for the replies, guys and gals. Keep 'em coming, please! :)

Lanark
05-29-2009, 10:10 AM
..any community, online or in person, is not going to be completely open to you (unless it's some weirdo cult)...

You are aware that this is a forum devoted to the ukulele? I'm pretty sure that we qualify under definition 4. in Cult (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cult)

4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.

UKISOCIETY
05-29-2009, 10:10 AM
Plus, it doesn't hurt to know there are a large number of Firefly/Joss Whedon fans around here. ;)


And Corner Gas.
http://woofreakinhoo.squarespace.com/storage/tn_CornerGas2.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=12397 40115617

snowcooley
05-29-2009, 10:18 AM
And Corner Gas.
http://woofreakinhoo.squarespace.com/storage/tn_CornerGas2.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=12397 40115617

Wow, I'm impressed! How do you find out about this stuff?

UKISOCIETY
05-29-2009, 10:25 AM
Wow, I'm impressed! How do you find out about this stuff?

I have a network of friends and acquaintances who keep me informed about quality stuff like this. :)

Although, I just did a search and found out that CG wrapped up its last season in April. :(

Spooner
05-29-2009, 10:28 AM
As a webmaster/owner of sites/boards I definitely have my opinions.

You have this introduce yourself thread here and it seems pretty pointless to have it if no one is welcoming the new members who take the time to introduce themselves.

I've sent a few pm's and emails to some in charge here that went unanswered..and I know all the "box gets full" stuff. I use that one from time to time myself. ;)
Being ignored definitely doesn't promote good will.

There is definitely a clique here but that's the normal appearance to a new fish. Cliques become so among regulars but that's not to say that no one is leaving anyone out. You just gotta jump in and be yourself. The beauty of a message board with this many members (and new ones joining all the time) is one can always make friends even if others ignore you.

One thing that jumps out at me about this thread is the fact that the question has been posed in the first place. If you feel that you need this question answered than that's pretty much the answer itself.

The goal on any website/board is to increase membership and traffic. If you're snubbing ANY member (except in the case of a said "douchebag") and not making them feel welcome than you are working against the goal of your site.

Not that I am saying what you should do in any way shape or form but on my board I have a section where people can introduce themselves in their own dedicated thread as opposed to a general "introduce yourself" topic. This way, I as webmaster/owner (as well as the other members of my site) can welcome people properly. It gives them a better feel of being welcomed. It also gives them the sense that they are free to start threads and add to topics. That's all I'll say about the way I run my ship.

You want people to feel a part of in order to keep your board thriving. Even the slightest appearance of elitism can turn someone off. So if you don't feel like your new members are feeling welcome than it's time to start taking the initiative to make them feel that way if you want to keep them and help them become active members. All you have to do is weigh your total amount of members to active members and that will give you an idea of where you're at.

hoosierhiver
05-29-2009, 10:34 AM
Not that I am saying what you should do in any way shape or form but on my board I have a section where people can introduce themselves in their own dedicated thread as opposed to a general "introduce yourself" topic. This way, I as webmaster/owner (as well as the other members of my site) can welcome people properly. It gives them a better feel of being welcomed. It also gives them the sense that they are free to start threads and add to topics.

I like this idea.

russ_buss
05-29-2009, 10:39 AM
So if you don't feel like your new members are feeling welcome than it's time to start taking the initiative to make them feel that way if you want to keep them and help them become active members. All you have to do is weigh your total amount of members to active members and that will give you an idea of where you're at.

while i agree with some of what you say, i don't think the ratio of registered members to active members determines how comfortable people are with posting. many people might just be registering to gain access to the "Tabs" section of the website which requires membership. perhaps many of those people never intend to post and they certainly don't have to if they don't want to. there's nothing wrong with just reading the forums (or lurking as some call it).

i think this forum is extremely friendly compared to others i've seen out there. i hope it stays that way.

Spooner
05-29-2009, 10:42 AM
while i agree with some of what you say, i don't think the ratio of registered members to active members determines how comfortable people are with posting. many people might just be registering to gain access to the "Tabs" section of the website which requires membership. perhaps many of those people never intend to post and they certainly don't have to if they don't want to. there's nothing wrong with just reading the forums (or lurking as some call it).

i think this forum is extremely friendly compared to others i've seen out there. i hope it stays that way.


Oh I am well aware of that trend. I have a number of people who join my site to gain access to the "treasure chest" as well. What you quoted is definitely not the crux of my post though. You could look on the access part of things as a forced registration...and I do the same thing where the "treasure" is concerned.

haolejohn
05-29-2009, 10:54 AM
I have been a member since July 08 and i still consider myself a noob. Or maybe August 08. I joined just before school started and I remember one of my first post was actually a thread I started asking for advise for the uke club i started. The thread got locked out and Rayan didn't know my intentions (since I was new) and I got to read all the regulars that came to my defense and backed me up. I was happy with the whole situation b/c Rayan locked the thread to protect the community and the community was coming to my defense telling him he overreacted. I had 8 people offer to donate ukes to the club I started and I never had to ask any of them to donate. I knew this place was golden from that day forward.

Ahnko Honu
05-29-2009, 11:01 AM
When I first got back into 'ukulele playing after my dad's passing (he was always my inspiration for most good things) I signed up at the first forums I found. This was the order: EZFolk, Cosmos, UkeTalk, and finally the UU. At
EZFolk I definitely felt like an outsider being talked down to when seeking advice. At Cosmos I felt like an outsider because it seems more geared to Europeans. UkeTalk after 3 months I'm still waiting for their moderators to approve me, definitely not feeling welcome there. At UU I feel pretty comfortable from the start, allot of islanders, and ex-islanders here so allot more aloha than the other 3 combined. I still feel like an outsider but at least I feel welcome here from most members. :shaka:

UkuleleHill
05-29-2009, 11:05 AM
I still feel like an outsider but at least I feel welcome here from most members. :shaka:

Really? There is a 550 page thread all about you... :D

deach
05-29-2009, 11:06 AM
..... I still feel like an outsider.....
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh puh-lease!


Seriously. The people I consider outsiders are the trolls that come here to disrupt things. Most of the time, they've been booted rather quickly. People shouldn't confuse feeling new and feeling like an outsider.

UKISOCIETY
05-29-2009, 11:13 AM
I still feel like an outsider ... :shaka:

Let's see. You have a vast number of pineapple ukes and you have a thing for J. Nunes' flared nostrils.

You're right. I hardly know you at all! :p

Lori
05-29-2009, 11:30 AM
I found this group to be very friendly and helpful. It is a great group of folks. It has really helped me get into the ukulele, and now I'm happily hooked. I consulted here many times for research on buying ukes, and finding great resources for uke music and tabs. The videos people post make everybody more in-touch with each other too. And the contests inspire me to creative action.

The only times when it gets uncomfortable for me is when a topic turns too political, or if things get a little too busty with the bikini clad sexy girls. I don't mind the occasional beautiful girl in the hula outfit. I just don't like the over-endowed vixen cleavage shots. When that happens, it feels too much like a "boys club" (I didn't mind it in the recent contest though). I just don't want to be surprised by it.

This is a really addictive forum, and I think it is a great way to introduce more people to the ukulele.

Thanks
–Lori

Thumper
05-29-2009, 11:33 AM
I'm new to the ukulele, but not to forums. So I understand that this place has a history, has its cliques, its alpha members, etc. That's all good, and none of it is catching me off guard.

And as I stated in another thread, the fact that this forum even HAS a Beginners section is a VERY welcoming thing, and made me feel like I wasn't alone in not knowing much about the world of ukes.

So I think it's fine to give newbies some advice, such as "please read the FAQs" or "please search before posting."

But I also offer a piece of advice to the UU veterans that I learned from another forum owner. A great rule of thumb when posting is: "What if the thread I'm posting is the first thing a new visitor to this forum sees?" Or if that's too tough a standard to live up to, maybe think, "What if this thread is among the first half-dozen threads a new visitor to this forum sees?"

If you feel that what you're about to post isn't really representative of what the overall forum headspace is about, maybe you shouldn't post it. Or at the very least, maybe you should rethink how you want to express whatever point you're making. That kind of "think twice before posting" can go a long way towards maintaining a welcoming vibe for this awesome online community.

But I feel plenty welcome, and voted accordingly. I gotta say, I'm sure glad I found this place! :shaka:

wfwhitson
05-29-2009, 11:33 AM
:old:Nothing to do with thread just wanted to say:

Most all my family lives in Hawaii, in fact I am the only white guy in the family.
Me and my wife (Hawaiian) live here in Oregon. We get home only about every other year. When we come home I feel the aloha/love so that is why I call Hawaii home.

Every thing I have said some agree with some don't, I have not ask one person to be my friend that has not exceped even MGM, and Deach, what more can you ask for.:shaka:

Spooner
05-29-2009, 11:36 AM
I found this group to be very friendly and helpful. It is a great group of folks. It has really helped me get into the ukulele, and now I'm happily hooked. I consulted here many times for research on buying ukes, and finding great resources for uke music and tabs. The videos people post make everybody more in-touch with each other too. And the contests inspire me to creative action.

The only times when it gets uncomfortable for me is when a topic turns too political, or if things get a little too busty with the bikini clad sexy girls. I don't mind the occasional beautiful girl in the hula outfit. I just don't like the over-endowed vixen cleavage shots. When that happens, it feels too much like a "boys club" (I didn't mind it in the recent contest though). I just don't want to be surprised by it.

This is a really addictive forum, and I think it is a great way to introduce more people to the ukulele.

Thanks
–Lori


You could always post something like this:

http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/322586.jpg

Faricelli
05-29-2009, 11:36 AM
The fact that Seeso actually cares enough to state this question, proves the sincerity and the integrity of this web site. I have always felt welcomed and given good advice. This is surprising since my wife says I have a way of rubbing people the wrong way. But, when I rub people the right way she gets jealous.

seeso
05-29-2009, 11:42 AM
You could always post something like this:

While I think that picture is funny, I think posting it in response to a legitimate issue belittles the issue somewhat.

To those women that have expressed concern over the posting of suggestive images, rest assured your comments are heard.

khrome
05-29-2009, 11:47 AM
You are aware that this is a forum devoted to the ukulele? I'm pretty sure that we qualify under definition 4. in Cult (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cult)

4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.

I said "weirdo cult". We're not a bunch of weirdos.

Or are we.. @.@

Anyhoo, I was referring more to description 6:

6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.

Oh wait. Aldrine. Charismatic Leader. Aldrine = Charismatic Leader. hmmm

Jimmy
05-29-2009, 12:02 PM
I think some people say it's all kinda cliquey. I agree sort of that there's groups of friends and sometimes it's hard to get in with them. The thing about that is that while this may be the people in the groups don't exclude anyone. I'd say I'm a fairly established user and while I feel that I wish I had more people to chat to I never feel I have none.

ukulelebadass
05-29-2009, 12:03 PM
As I mentioned in my introduction I think the site is great. I have already had some great back and forth on a couple of the strings, and the string that I posted in the luthier section about the violin uke I'm trying to build has gotten some awesome responses, with very helpful suggestions.

Being a seasoned uke player may have some to do with this, but nevertheless the responses I've seen when looking at strings started by those who are new to the instrument seem to be equally helpful to those folks. I've yet to see anyone who has been called stupid or been belittled in any way for asking a question like, what strings to use, or how to play a chord- questions that we all had to find answers for when we picked up our first ukulele and began to learn.

Coincidentally, when I first started to play, there was no internet. Nor was there even a place for me to get lessons. I had to make do with a couple of books and my determination. Learning songs from the "Made Easy for Guitar" series of books.

I am very jealous of those who are learning to play nowadays and can avail themselves of resources like this site, and video lessons on you-tube. You folks all have a leg up that many of us did not, and if I was you I'd take full advantage!

Additionally I have felt welcome and at ease when responding to questions posed by other members. No one has told me, "Hey you're a new guy what do you know!" Or anything like that.

Awesome site, great community, keep up the good work! And by all means if there is anything at all I can do to help anybody out in any way, please don't hesitate to contact me!

UB

ukuleletim
05-29-2009, 12:06 PM
There is a TAB section on this site??? Dang. I rarely venture from the forums.

Well, I certainly feel as welcome as one can feel. Even though my status says senior member I am definitely not one. Very new here.

What I have seen..

There is a higher than usual volume of posts in this forum than what I am used to. This site is BUSY. So I think new posts can go unnoticed for a while and a new poster might feel ignored or unwelcome as their thread gets lower and lower and finally on the next page without a response.

Also,

Some forums have a 'tell it like it is' or 'no fluffing' section on their sites either to keep the riskier language and pics and rants separated from the family material. Not that I am suggesting that. There are plenty of places on the intarwebs to find such stuff.

bbycrts
05-29-2009, 12:09 PM
I still feel like an outsider but at least I feel welcome here from most members. :shaka:

Gosh, Ahnko, I think of you as "one of the gang" all the time! I have even told the family at home about the things "Uncle Turtle" has said (good things!). Besides, you know you're part of the family when the topic starts to revolve around pineapple ukes and somebody posts, "Ahnko Honu in 3, 2, 1..." - it means we're getting to know you and are appreciating your persona!

Here at work, where there's always a lot of kidding and pranking, we have a saying, "We only tease the people we like. And we REALLY like you!"

khrome
05-29-2009, 12:12 PM
I like Spooner's idea of having a dedicated Introduction area where new people can start their own individual thread. That's how I've seen it done in many other boards. He's right - typically on other boards if I see new newbie I'll post in their Intro thread. The way we have it here with our one huge thread makes it hard to do that without the thread getting extremely long and cluttered.

khrome
05-29-2009, 12:17 PM
...
There is a higher than usual volume of posts in this forum than what I am used to. This site is BUSY. So I think new posts can go unnoticed for a while and a new poster might feel ignored or unwelcome as their thread gets lower and lower and finally on the next page without a response.

Also,

Some forums have a 'tell it like it is' or 'no fluffing' section on their sites either to keep the riskier language and pics and rants separated from the family material. Not that I am suggesting that. There are plenty of places on the intarwebs to find such stuff.

Yes, I'm sad to say I don't read every post because there's just so many... So if I seem like I'm excluding anyone, please believe that it's not intentional. I try to read them all but I'm already spending too much time than I should here when I should be working. shhhhh don't tell my boss :)

I agree we should be mindful of our language and pics - we have a very diverse audience here. The youngest member (that I know of) is 13.

ukulelebadass
05-29-2009, 12:20 PM
As a webmaster/owner of sites/boards I definitely have my opinions.

You have this introduce yourself thread here and it seems pretty pointless to have it if no one is welcoming the new members who take the time to introduce themselves.



I used the introduce yourself thread and Seeso sent me a welcoming response pretty quickly...

And now that I'm writing again I have a couple of questions:

What's the deal with this "I'm Yours" song and why does everybody hate it so much? I'm assuming its some sort of pop culture reference, but if every one wants to play it how bad can it be?

Also I've begun to notice that there seems to be some inconsistency with the member rating system... I'm a "junior member" but it seems like some people who haven't been around much more than me are rated as "member" or "senior member," while some who have join dates from last year are still "junior members"- Not that I'm complaining- it is a welcome change in my life to be referred to as a junior anything! Just looking for clarification.

haole
05-29-2009, 12:21 PM
I'm still under the 1 year/1000 posts mark so I'm still kind of an outsider. ;) But I've been an internet forum geek for years, and UU is by far the friendliest and least pretentious.
It might be a little intimidating for a newcomer to see all the inside jokes and collaborations between regulars, but all forums have that. But UU doesn't have a snobby elitist upper class, thin-skinned mods who ban you for disagreeing, or huge flame wars. Most people are respectful and tolerant, the regulars don't look down at noobs, and most seem to have enough common sense to know when something's going too far. There are moments where someone does overstep their boundaries, but that will happen whenever you have a bunch of people with different personalities and opinions interacting. I've never felt that the mods and regulars here are conspiring to exclude newcomers by belittling them, ignoring them, or intentionally confusing them. The only time I've seen noobs treated badly is when they came here with bad vibes. As long as you're remotely pleasant, UU is about as welcoming as it gets on the internets. :3

seeso
05-29-2009, 12:33 PM
I agree we should be mindful of our language and pics - we have a very diverse audience here. The youngest member (that I know of) is 13.

There's actually an 11 year-old regular here too. MisoHappy.

HaileISela
05-29-2009, 12:54 PM
That said, I feel like every time I've asked a question, I've gotten very useful and thoughtful responses. More often than not, I see older members giving quite patient and polite responses-- even to requests for chords for "I'm Yours". Although there are threads that makes me cringe every so often (you know, the ones dedicated to ogling attractive lady ukulele-players, specifically), I do see people step up and voice their disapproval or work to remedy the situation.

What's "I'm yours"?^^

I got to say, I felt very welcome one here from the first day on. It took me a few days to figure out certain roles of people and connections between them. But after a few more days of reading and watching almost every video on UU there was this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRG8EgZ6d5c) and I felt so much happiness as I could understand all the hints and jokes after just such a short time on here... It really is my favorite place on the www. combined with the social component on YT it's just incredibly great. Oh and the resources are very good to. I started to play the Uke in late August '08 and you can watch my first video on YT with it. It was just a few weeks later. I remember watching all the Uke Minutes wondering if I could ever achieve any of that. Now, a few month later, I can say: yes, I can play the Uke (I would even almost call it my first instrument) though I never had an actual teacher. Only the peeps on UU... THANK YOU GUYS!


There's actually an 11 year-old regular here too. MisoHappy.

wow, I knew he was young, but that young? wow!

bbycrts
05-29-2009, 01:07 PM
Also I've begun to notice that there seems to be some inconsistency with the member rating system... I'm a "junior member" but it seems like some people who haven't been around much more than me are rated as "member" or "senior member," while some who have join dates from last year are still "junior members"- Not that I'm complaining- it is a welcome change in my life to be referred to as a junior anything! Just looking for clarification.

The member "rating" system is based on the number of posts, not your time as a member. The more verbose among us became senior members rather quickly :uhoh:, but if you prefer to sit back and watch without posting much then your ranking will move more slowly. Either way no matter - I don't know that people pay much mind to it.

Here's the breakdown, by the way:

0 - 29 posts - Junior Member
30 - 99 posts - Member
100 - 1999 posts - Senior Member
2000+ posts - Ukulele Hero

CitizenSnips
05-29-2009, 01:16 PM
I've been to a lot of forums, and this one is by far the friendliest. I felt welcomed from day one, everyone here seems to have the common goal of sharing their Uke knowledge and its a great vibe! I'm a major lurker though if you couldn't tell by my 30 posts and 1 year old join date. I barely post because I have too much fun reading what everyone's written or videos they've posted up, I don't really feel the need to "jump-in". This website was the one to convince me to finally pick up a Ukulele though and I'm totally glad I did.

I don't agree on the whole "clique" thing people have been saying. Yes, there's very distinguished members that seem bigger than others, but that's because they have done so much for the community and have contributed immensely to the website/forum. deach with his generosity and funny videos, Seeso with his infinite Uke knowledge and tabbing, Dominator with his amazing tabs, rayan setting up events and keeping things updated, and many others. They are all distinguished more than the rest because of all the hard work they have done and I don't see a problem with that since I'd say they deserve it.

Bratset
05-29-2009, 01:18 PM
I've been to a lot of forums, and this one is by far the friendliest. I felt welcomed from day one, everyone here seems to have the common goal of sharing their Uke knowledge and its a great vibe! I'm a major lurker though, I barely post because I have too much fun reading what everyone's written or videos they've posted up. This website was the one to convince me to finally pick up a Ukulele and I love it!

Was exactly the same for me, execpt the lurker thing, was that my first month only :p now I am posting constantly :shaka:

CmdrPiffle
05-29-2009, 01:21 PM
I certainly feel welcome. Then again, this is my first post, so nobody's had the chance to flame !:D

I've lurked all of a single day and signed up. I stumbled onto UkeMinute yesterday and learned a ton of fun things I didn't know, so I'm hooked.

Aloha everyone!

Mike

Bratset
05-29-2009, 01:23 PM
I certainly feel welcome. Then again, this is my first post, so nobody's had the chance to flame !:D

I've lurked all of a single day and signed up. I stumbled onto UkeMinute yesterday and learned a ton of fun things I didn't know, so I'm hooked.

Aloha everyone!

Mike

Welcome Mike, and offcourse you are hooked :D
People that pick of the Uke and don't egt addicted just isn't right :) hehe

kailua
05-29-2009, 01:24 PM
seeso, thanks for asking! To answer your questions: YES, YES, and NO. I've never joined a forum before UU. Never had a reason to. After lurking and seeing the wealth of information here there was no hesitation. Everyone does a fantastic job!!! My only complaint is this forum is keeping me from sorely needed practice on my uke. :D :anyone:

khrome
05-29-2009, 01:33 PM
There's actually an 11 year-old regular here too. MisoHappy.

Oops my bad. That's who I was thinking of and I thought she was 13.

HaileISela
05-29-2009, 01:41 PM
seeso, thanks for asking! To answer your questions: YES, YES, and NO. I've never joined a forum before UU. Never had a reason to. After lurking and seeing the wealth of information here there was no hesitation. Everyone does a fantastic job!!! My only complaint is this forum is keeping me from sorely needed practice on my uke. :D :anyone:

Oh yeah... one good advice: keep your Uke on your lap while browsing UU... It will combine the nice with the necessary...

oh, and welcome!

HaileISela
05-29-2009, 01:53 PM
I certainly feel welcome. Then again, this is my first post, so nobody's had the chance to flame !:D

I've lurked all of a single day and signed up. I stumbled onto UkeMinute yesterday and learned a ton of fun things I didn't know, so I'm hooked.

Aloha everyone!

Mike

welcome to the UU

Myala509
05-29-2009, 03:06 PM
Can I be part of the noob clique? Hahaha. I need more friends that understand that the ukulele is not A TOY.*sigh*

alright me and you are the first of the noon clique. What do we do now hahaha?

Fred Miu
05-29-2009, 04:21 PM
Mods don't be afraid to give warnings to people if they are acting rude. It's in the rules so you can do that.

we've had a couple bad ones back in da day. but seriously guys, its our job to help you guys out.


...
Mods - please give Rayan a warning. He is being a douchebag by not clearing out his PM box.

haha i wish i could give him a notice, but i cant find the button :uhoh:

Uncle-Taco
05-29-2009, 04:56 PM
This is a pretty warm, welcoming community and I have felt entirely welcome so far.
There will be cliques, and there will be those few who seem venerated (that's a nicer way of saying it, I guess) for no good reason, but all forums have those. Big deal.

This is a fun group and remarkably diverse. As such, it is one of the more harmonious forums I have explored, and that says a lot for the members and for the ukulele.

I will admit, though: before I joined, I actually Googled around to try to figure out what the heck a "Deach" was. :D:rolleyes:

CoffeeJunkee
05-29-2009, 05:20 PM
You are all clique-y.... But its not a "we're to good for you" kind of clique.... More like a "hey you play the ukulele? Come on and hang out with us" kind of clique.... I have only been on here about 3 months and I have always felt welcomed and encouraged..... I have even been Deached... How cool is that?

MangoMon
05-29-2009, 05:22 PM
Too funny. I was looking for a good place to thank everyone on the UU forums for being so helpful and I found this thread. I'm a real nubie (playing a few weeks), but loving it. I've been reading the UU forums and decided on a Mainland uke. It arrived yesterday and is sweet. So thank you for taking the time to welcome the nubies. Great site and great members.

UkeNukem
05-29-2009, 05:26 PM
That was my first uke! Not the best of ukes, but definitely well worth the money. I'd like to see your review of it.

It's not mentioned much on UU but it is an inexpensive, wildly available uke. I have experience modding instruments so I felt it was worth the risk. For not that much more money, MGM's base ukes will sound good without tweaking. Unfortunately, I love tweaking! :love:

I made a short video tonight for a base record of how it sounded and played. I'll wait to post it until I have done the mods and then post both for comparison.

CoffeeJunkee
05-29-2009, 05:27 PM
I certainly feel welcome. Then again, this is my first post, so nobody's had the chance to flame !:D

I've lurked all of a single day and signed up. I stumbled onto UkeMinute yesterday and learned a ton of fun things I didn't know, so I'm hooked.

Aloha everyone!

Mike

Welcome to UU Mike!.... Enjoy your stay.... OR ELSE!

Solana
05-29-2009, 05:28 PM
I haven't been on the site for over a year. Came back and saw this post. Can't say that I felt overly welcome when I joined the board. But I also can't say that I did anything to give others the opportunity to make me feel welcome.

CoffeeJunkee
05-29-2009, 05:30 PM
Too funny. I was looking for a good place to thank everyone on the UU forums for being so helpful and I found this thread. I'm a real nubie (playing a few weeks), but loving it. I've been reading the UU forums and decided on a Mainland uke. It arrived yesterday and is sweet. So thank you for taking the time to welcome the nubies. Great site and great members.

Welcome To UU.... I'm pretty new to the uke myself. Been playing a little less than 3 months. Enjoy your stay here at UU!

UkeNukem
05-29-2009, 05:32 PM
"so I'm hooked."

BWAAHAAHAAAA! Only 6,783,146,004 to go until WORLD DOMINATION!

CoffeeJunkee
05-29-2009, 05:32 PM
I haven't been on the site for over a year. Came back and saw this post. Can't say that I felt overly welcome when I joined the board. But I also can't say that I did anything to give others the opportunity to make me feel welcome.

Well here is our chance to make you feel more welcome!.... Welcome (back) Solana. Hope to see more posting and conversation from you!

CoffeeMate
05-29-2009, 05:48 PM
I have always felt welcome here. I wouldn't post if I didn't. I have only noticed a few rude posts/members, the mods and usually some of the 'regulars' take care of the problem right away.
It is unfortunate some of us feel unwelcome or only welcome sometimes.
So far most of the posts on this tread are all about how great and welcoming UU is, only a few post about how members might feel unwelcome. I would like to see a post or two from those who don't feel welcome or only feel welcome occasionally. This is your thread to get it out in the open, don't be shy.

Solana
05-29-2009, 05:49 PM
Well here is our chance to make you feel more welcome!.... Welcome (back) Solana. Hope to see more posting and conversation from you!

Thanks for the welcome (back). I pledge to do my part by being a more active and productive member... Scouts honor!

hoosierhiver
05-29-2009, 06:24 PM
I'd like to see more people fill out their profile and location.:)

Manalishi
05-30-2009, 01:10 AM
As a noobie of about three months standing, I find this forum
to be generally helpful. I am as guilty as anyone of posting
dumb questions,on the understanding that someone will have
been 'where I am' before me, and will know the solution to
whatever problem I am unsure about! I belong to several
ukulele based forums,and this one is okay. There are more
younger members on here than on others, but so what? I
think it's great that those folk found something they enjoy
whilst still young enough to go for it! I have played guitar
for over forty years,loved it/still love it, BUT...the ukulele
has fired a new enthusiasm in me, based on the simple
'portability' of the instrument, and the fact that I can still
play all my well known guitar stuff,on the instrument!

jkevinwolfe
05-30-2009, 04:02 AM
Joined almost a year ago and just started posing regularly recently.

If there's a clique here, then every one of us is a member. This is one of the largest, most enthusiastic, most helpful forums around. Two other uke forums I monitored for a while seemed to require hazing for newbies by the senior members. Not here. Everyone has been welcoming. The few times I have seen people get even close to being out of line, a moderator posted a friendly warning.

Everything is good natured here. People may growl with a smile occasionally, but nobody bites. I'd recommend new users to just jump in the fray. You won't be chewed up and spit out. It doesn't matter if you play professionally or have never picked up a uke. You'll be welcomed here and treated like an equal. I love that about this place. I look forward to meeting many of the folks here at the Ukulele World Congress next weekend.

UkuLeLesReggAe
05-30-2009, 04:09 AM
im still trying to fit in

iamdanielle
05-30-2009, 07:48 AM
i remember feeling extremely welcome when i first registered here, and i have ever since! i hope everyone else does too!

HaileISela
05-30-2009, 12:32 PM
im still trying to fit in

lol .

ukulele2544
05-30-2009, 01:10 PM
I always feel welcome here.:shaka:

salukulady
05-30-2009, 01:16 PM
If this is a clique, I'm the Mom of it, so go clean up your room, kids!

buddhuu
05-30-2009, 01:20 PM
I feel right at home, thanks Seeso. :)

pithaya9
05-30-2009, 02:42 PM
This is the first forum that I have ever used or joined so my judgment could be a little one-sided. The people here are always friendly (99.99999%) and very helpful. I read most of the posts every day and find that they are helpful and informative. And yes I do use the SEARCH to try and find my own answers to questions. I especially find it welcoming that when I purchase items from the store that the UU staff always hand writes a little note thanking me and wishing Aloha, what a great touch. Thanks to all the staff and members at UU.

Live Aloha and Uke on! :cool:

pithaya9
05-30-2009, 02:43 PM
I haven't been on the site for over a year. Came back and saw this post. Can't say that I felt overly welcome when I joined the board. But I also can't say that I did anything to give others the opportunity to make me feel welcome.

Welcome back Solana!

johnnyuke
05-30-2009, 03:32 PM
First post got off to a rough start but an aplology and support from the rset of the gang made up for it 10 fold.Thanks again p.s. some of us went to high school at a time when you had to make a appointment to use the computer,so computers are not second nature.maybe there is a computerunderground.com

salukulady
05-30-2009, 03:50 PM
First post got off to a rough start but an aplology and support from the rset of the gang made up for it 10 fold.Thanks again p.s. some of us went to high school at a time when you had to make a appointment to use the computer,so computers are not second nature.maybe there is a computerunderground.com

Oh honey, you're not that old. I went to high school when the one computer the school had was the size of a bathroom and the only language on it was basic. Took me a whole summer school session to teach that computer to write my name out in command. And I'm pretty sure there are a few here who actually know what a slide rule is and how to use one.

UkeNinja
05-30-2009, 03:54 PM
Noobs only: I am an ukulele noob so that fits. Soap box: ON!

I think there is a serious issue to be considered in alienating not new members, but indeed people who have been here from the earlier days, putting in lots of love and knowledge. Some may feel they are being leeched now by one-line posts demanding in some cases (yes, there is little politeness to be put into one line of text) to be answered.

Often, they are about something that is very much out in the open and easily found if one has only the slightest hint of curiosity, a working computer, and willingness to put effort into learning about the instrument they profess to love. Expecting to get exactly the answer you need in a snap of a second is so typical of click-click net culture. UU is not Google, or better even: Wolfram|Alpha, and I think it is not too much to ask a bit of input before you start commanding others to share what they have found through trial and error and much research.

On the other hand, being too harsh on such posts is not the right way either, because you do not know for sure if they have depleted their arsenal of knowledge-gathering devices. But I see no problem in pointing to FAQs, search functions, google strings, and such. These answers may seem tedious, but some may find the countless one-line-first-post threads to fit that qualification as well.

With the way things are going (and they are not problematic at all at this moment, in my opinion) you may create an atmosphere where all is supposed to be great and friendly and everyone is supposed to love each other to the extent that no critical voice may be heard anymore. Let's keep it human / humane and tell it like it is, only to come out stronger on the other end.

Senior members: don't grouch too much. New members: don't whine too much. Problem solved :nana:

(As for boobie-threads, that was scary. My ninja suit felt funny for days after watching. Older men and 16-year olds wishing to ruffle feathers together? Come on...)

Ahnko Honu
05-30-2009, 03:55 PM
Really? There is a 550 page thread all about you... :D

Actually just in the title but it's a start. ;) :shaka:

Ahnko Honu
05-30-2009, 03:56 PM
i remember feeling extremely welcome when i first registered here, and i have ever since! i hope everyone else does too!

Danielle, you're one of my favorite Youtubers and great to see you posting more regularly here.

Ukuleleblues
05-30-2009, 07:05 PM
And I'm pretty sure there are a few here who actually know what a slide rule is and how to use one.


I still have mine from college and I think I can still use it.

My hats off to the moderators here. I try and organize a uke club and you would not believe how some folks bitch about everything. I could just imagine some of the stuff that offends folks the moderators get e-mail about. I used to work in HR and one time I got a 3 page dissertation from an employee because we gave him a free turkey for Christmas.

The moderators do a great job and strike a reasonable balance with they way they keep folks from getting out of line without becoming the forum police. Thanks Guys/Gals!! I bet it isn't as easy as you make it look.

Oh yes back to the topic. I was originally drawn to this forum because it was friendly. One time I posted what I thought was a helpful tip and someone made fun of it. But like Deach says and I paraphrase. When you are participaing in any forum out on the wide open internet you should not be so sensitive about it. Mabey the dude was just having a bad day.

bbycrts
05-30-2009, 08:25 PM
Oh honey, you're not that old. I went to high school when the one computer the school had was the size of a bathroom and the only language on it was basic. Took me a whole summer school session to teach that computer to write my name out in command. And I'm pretty sure there are a few here who actually know what a slide rule is and how to use one.

I work with computers - do support for servers, actually - but it's a love/hate thing. I don't trust them. I don't trust new technology. I have a slide rule hanging on my wall at work alongside a pencil with a sign that says, "For Use in the Event of Power Outage Only." I have a baseball bat at home that I keep meaning to take to work and write CTRL-ALT-DEL on the side...

salukulady
05-30-2009, 09:57 PM
I work with computers - do support for servers, actually - but it's a love/hate thing. I don't trust them. I don't trust new technology. I have a slide rule hanging on my wall at work alongside a pencil with a sign that says, "For Use in the Event of Power Outage Only." I have a baseball bat at home that I keep meaning to take to work and write CTRL-ALT-DEL on the side...Too funny!