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Pukulele Pete
10-26-2009, 02:30 AM
I've seen some guitars and some ukes with a second soundhole, one that faces the player. Has anyone built a uke with second soundhole, a hole on the shoulder? I'm wondering if I could make one with a simple trap door on the shoulder.? Has anyone had any experience with this or seen one?
Will the second hole ruin the sound?

ukantor
10-26-2009, 02:35 AM
The second hole has been done, I believe it sounds good to the player, as it sends more sound his/her way. A trap door is an interesting idea.

Ukantor.

thomas
10-26-2009, 02:58 AM
I build all of my concerts and tenors with a side sound port. I think it opens up the sound a lot. The high notes ring especially clear and I feel like there is a substantial increase in sustain. There is still plenty of lower end too, and the volume and clarity are better from a players and audience standpoint. The only downside I can see is all of the questions people ask about the hole in the side.

This is only my opinion and I am sure that someone will be along soon with the oposite opinion.

About the trap door. Try it and let us know.

Take care,
Thomas

ukantor
10-26-2009, 03:34 AM
I fear that a trap door would lead to all sorts of strange questions. I used to have a motorcycle with the fuel tank under the seat. The visible "fuel tank" was a "glove" compartment for carrying various items. It was very convenient, but I spent a lot of time explaining things to puzzled strangers.

Ukantor.

Konala
10-26-2009, 05:11 AM
Check out Hana Lima's web page store and look under plans. The Kasha braced ukuleles plans have side sound holes.

Konala

Timbuck
10-26-2009, 06:47 AM
I fear that a trap door would lead to all sorts of strange questions. I used to have a motorcycle with the fuel tank under the seat. The visible "fuel tank" was a "glove" compartment for carrying various items. It was very convenient, but I spent a lot of time explaining things to puzzled strangers.

Ukantor.
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Moore Bettah Ukuleles
10-26-2009, 07:28 AM
I've seen guitars with a sliding door built inside the upper bout that is meant to adjust the output of a SSP. I'm not sure what the point would be however.
Under what circumstances would you ever want the instrument to sound less than it's best? I agree with Thomas's observations.

Matt Clara
10-26-2009, 07:39 AM
I've seen guitars with a sliding door built inside the upper bout that is meant to adjust the output of a SSP. I'm not sure what the point would be however.
Under what circumstances would you ever want the instrument to sound less than it's best? I agree with Thomas's observations.

I take it you feel it sounds better to everyone, and not just to the person playing the instrument?

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
10-26-2009, 07:56 AM
I take it you feel it sounds better to everyone, and not just to the person playing the instrument?

I can only speak of my own instruments. It not only gives the player a little extra feedback but also increases forward projection. Perhaps more importantly it opens the instrument up. Curiously, I have found the same to be true of my dual puka (double sound hole) ukes. Makes one question the traditional sound hole size, placement and number............
BTW, I have found that in order for a SSP to be effective, the main sound hole needs to be made a bit smaller than normal.
This is MY experience on MY ukuleles. All usual disclaimers apply.

Rick
10-26-2009, 08:38 AM
isn't it called a monitor hole?

uluapoundr
10-26-2009, 10:12 AM
I agree with Chuck, it not only gives the player feedback, it also changes the sound of his ukuleles. I too wondered how that hole would affect the sound. The side sound port does make the sound coming out of the front hole a bit more open in sound without losing quality in the bass and treble notes. A simple way to hear the difference is to strum with the hole open, and then covered up.

I'm curious to hear how this evolved for guitars and what guitar players feel about this design. From a technical standpoint, I wonder what the side port does to the air resonance in the ukulele.

thejumpingflea
10-26-2009, 10:52 AM
I agree with Chuck, it not only gives the player feedback, it also changes the sound of his ukuleles. I too wondered how that hole would affect the sound. The side sound port does make the sound coming out of the front hole a bit more open in sound without losing quality in the bass and treble notes. A simple way to hear the difference is to strum with the hole open, and then covered up.

I'm curious to hear how this evolved for guitars and what guitar players feel about this design. From a technical standpoint, I wonder what the side port does to the air resonance in the ukulele.

Seconded!

I own a side sound port Moore Bettah and it makes a difference.

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
10-26-2009, 11:03 AM
I've mentioned this before where a recent article in the Guild of American Luthiers did an extensive study on SSPs in GUITARS. Their conclusion is that the effect is all in your head and that it makes no difference at all. My retort to that is, where is would it be but in your head? After all, that's where my ears and my brain are located. Well, most of the time anyway. My own unscientific, blind tests have proved otherwise, at least on my ukes.
I do believe however that we hear what we want to hear.

ukantor
10-26-2009, 01:38 PM
It is true that our perceptions are a construct of our brains, and can be affected by our built in bias or preference, but what else do we have to go on?

Personally, I'd just trust my own perception.

Ukantor.

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
10-26-2009, 01:47 PM
You also need to consider than since the day we were born, we all suffer some degree of hearing damage which partially explains the reason why we each hear things differently.

uluapoundr
10-26-2009, 01:54 PM
I've read a few articles and forum posts by others who wanted to answer the question as to whether the side sound ports make a difference on guitars. There are a few interesting articles out there, some way too technical and lengthy to hold my attention. What I gathered is that the majority of the responses say there is a slight increase in volume from the soundhole. One survey found that players felt certain tones were enhanced depending where the sound port was and the size of the soundport.

The one factor that seems to be pretty much agreed upon is that the sound port acts as a monitor. The drawback is that for someone who may be singing into a microphone, there may be feedback challenges since some of the sound from the intrument may be directed up towards the microphone. Of course this can be solved with a rag or sponge.

Check out Mcknight Guitars and their in house, unscientific test of sound ports: http://www.mcknightguitars.com/soundports.html

deach
10-26-2009, 02:20 PM
.... The drawback is that for someone who may be singing into a microphone, there may be feedback challenges since some of the sound from the intrument may be directed up towards the microphone. Of course this can be solved with a rag or sponge.
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I've never had that problem.

uluapoundr
10-26-2009, 07:09 PM
I've never had that problem.

Cool! I was reiterating what the guitar guys were saying.

deach
10-27-2009, 02:08 AM
Cool! I was reiterating what the guitar guys were saying.

I wonder if it's because I don't have a sound-hole.

JT_Ukes
10-27-2009, 02:19 AM
I wonder if it's because I don't have a sound-hole.

LOL





ahhhh, I needed that this morning... Thanks Deach!

JT

deach
10-27-2009, 02:21 AM
LOL





ahhhh, I needed that this morning... Thanks Deach!

JT

lol I didn't mean for it to sound that way.

My main uke doesn't have a soundhole, only a side port.

JT_Ukes
10-27-2009, 03:26 AM
lol I didn't mean for it to sound that way.

My main uke doesn't have a soundhole, only a side port.

The ninja uke?

I LOVE that uke... coolest lookin' Uke out there! may have to get one of dem some day.

Still, it was a good chuckle!

buddhuu
10-27-2009, 04:04 AM
I've played (not owned, sadly) guitars and mandolins with sound ports in the side.

I'm a believer. It's a great idea. :)