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Tigeralum2001
03-03-2010, 12:10 PM
I bought this http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260554141041&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

I examined the pictures thoroughly before bidding & read the description. All the while I was thinking of Elderly's definition (http://elderly.com/vintage/abbreviations.html) of used descriptions.

It arrived today with 2 long back cracks (5 & 6 1/2 inches long). No light shines through & based on the description they were likely repaired.

I would never think to use "excellent" to describe any instrument with cracks, repaired or not. Using Elderly's definitions, this would be a "good" condition instrument. I know buyer beware, etc., but all that being said I feel misled. Nowhere did the description talk about damage. In fact, it was worded to appear to be in better condition than shown.

I have contacted the seller, etc. What I was hoping for is some advice on conflict resolution. I am not opposed to keeping the uke, just opposed to the price. What would a fair price be? Any other productive thoughts? Thanks!

bt93
03-03-2010, 12:23 PM
i would definitely return it. if the seller won't accept a return then i would contact paypal and dispute the charge because the item was not as described. if paypal won't do anything than i would dispute the charge with the creditcard company.

also they didn't take pictures of the cracks on the uke but rather just a general shot that doesn't show any issues

SweetWaterBlue
03-03-2010, 12:23 PM
I think I would feel cheated too. Nowhere in the ad does it mention any cracks. He does dance around it talking about braces that were added. It was not in my opinion not accurately described.

ukecantdothat
03-03-2010, 12:31 PM
Well, no light is shining through, yet. Here's the description:

EXCELLENT CONDITION KOALOHA SOPRANO UKULELE

THIS INSTRUMENT IS IN EXCELLENT CONDITION. THE SOUND THAT MAKES YOU SMILE.
STRONG, BRIGHT, TRADITIONAL TONE; BENEFITS FROM TEN YEARS OF THE WOODS DRYING NATURALLY.
BRILLIANT, SOLID, FLAMED KOA: TOP, BACK, SIDES, AND NECK, AS WELL.
BETTER THAN NEW STRUCTURALLY: 2ND BRACE ADDED BY BILLER GUITAR REPAIR INC.
.....SUPPORTS AGAINST SPLITTING BACKS.
KOALOHA'S UNIQUE ENGRAVED AND LOCKING TUNERS; AHEAD OF THEIR TIME.

THE CASE IS ADEQUATE AND IS PERIOD CORRECT; DOES ITS JOB, BUT IS NOT PRETTY.

THIS IS NOT A WALL-HANGER OR TRAVEL MEMENTO. IT PLAYS EASILY AND IS A JOY.
THESE GREAT PICTURES ONLY TELL PART OF THE STORY!!!

Notice it says a guitar repairer put extra bracing in there to prevent cracks. Could that mean it was taken in to repair the cracks you're talking about? If so, then there may not be a future problem with it. If it were me I would want some sort of rebate if I was going to keep it, but I doubt I would keep it. This rubs me wrong and I'd be pissed off. They were right about one thing - the pictures only tell part of the story. Nowhere did I see pics of the back - coincidence? I'm not an expert on what would be fair to ask of the seller, but someone here should have a thought.

Good luck!

robbocx
03-03-2010, 12:38 PM
Return it now as the seller offers 7 day money back, buyer pays return shipping.

sukie
03-03-2010, 12:39 PM
I'm agreeing with everything said so far. I'd ask to return it. bt93 says exactly what I'm thinking. Good luck.

wickedwahine11
03-03-2010, 12:40 PM
I would return it. But I would also argue that it is a borderline fraudulent listing - perhaps eBay or paypal can help you. If you paid by paypal you should have some form of protection, or if you used your credit card. Nowhere in there did they state that there were any cracks. And cracks mean it is far from excellent condition. I would return it, but if you really want to keep it, I would at the minimum want a refund of part of the price. Good luck my friend.

Tigeralum2001
03-03-2010, 12:42 PM
Notice it says a guitar repairer put extra bracing in there to prevent cracks. Could that mean it was taken in to repair the cracks you're talking about?
Hindsight says "probably." However to me there is a big difference between a preemptive brace and a repair; "prevent[ing]" cracks and preventing their expansion.

pithaya9
03-03-2010, 02:11 PM
Hey Tiger I remember looking at this one they have changed the description from the start if I remeber right. The origanally had it listed at over 25 years old so i questiond them on the age, looks like my question was deleted from the listing. Send it back you almost paid the price of a new one.

Tigeralum2001
03-03-2010, 02:14 PM
Send it back you almost paid the price of a new one.
Yep... would have been worth it (IMHO) had it been as described. Old KoAlohas don't seem to be available very often. (I would like a round sound hole & oval sound hole)

Tigeralum2001
03-03-2010, 03:40 PM
I found a 6" finish crack on the far side from the other cracks. The seller refunded my money, including shipping & payed for the return shipping. PHEW! At least there are some decent people left in the world to deal with.

All in all, no harm nor foul (except for getting me excited about an older KoAloha). Plus... that means more money for another uke! :)

sukie
03-03-2010, 03:41 PM
Let us know what happens, ok?

pdxuke
03-03-2010, 03:47 PM
Return.
Get money back (in hand.)
Leave negative feedbck because item not as described.

But get the money back FIRST.

And send it insured and TRACKED. With a signature.

dkcrown
03-03-2010, 04:54 PM
Glad that it worked out for you Tiger. I hope that he changes the description if he lists it again. It did seem kind of slimy. Any idea if he is on the UU?

This is a question for the luthiers out there. Is there such a thing as adding an additional brace premptively to prevent cracking? If it needed a second brace there in the first place, don't you think that Koaloha would have put one there?

SweetWaterBlue
03-03-2010, 05:09 PM
It looks as though the seller normally deals in vintage nick-knacks. He did take the item back, after all, and perhaps does not know enough about ukes to know how much a crack means to us. It did look pretty nice on the outside, and his description wasn't completely forthcoming. Its tough to get an all positive 703 rating if you are a crook. I know I only have a +125 and have had to bend over backwards at times for buyers to keep it. I'm must saying.

I may be completely naive, but I have always thought that it would be safer buying a vintage uke from a respected dealer, such as Elderly. I know I would probably pay more that way, but would expect them to price it not to much over retail market value, and I hope they would tell you as honestly as a salesman can about its defects.

molinee
03-03-2010, 05:48 PM
Don't be nasty. Just return the ukulele.... Pay the shipping.... and carry on. If you keep it you will think about the cracks every time you pick it up and what fun is that? :cool:

Chris Tarman
03-03-2010, 06:23 PM
Don't be nasty. Just return the ukulele.... Pay the shipping.... and carry on. If you keep it you will think about the cracks every time you pick it up and what fun is that? :cool:

I agree. There's a good chance the seller didn't know all that much about ukuleles. I wouldn't leave negative feedback on this unless they had refused to take it back and refund you. They worked with you, so at worst you should just leave no feedback.

pdxuke
03-03-2010, 06:53 PM
I agree. There's a good chance the seller didn't know all that much about ukuleles. I wouldn't leave negative feedback on this unless they had refused to take it back and refund you. They worked with you, so at worst you should just leave no feedback.

Yes, I agree with this. I didn't read the entire thread when I posted above, and was responding to the OP first post. Since the seller made it right, including shipping, then it would seem all is well. Negative feedback is to keep other people from being conned. This seller may have actually made a naiive mistake--or simply got caught and when called on it made it right. Either way, I'm happy this was resolved for you.

UkeforJC
03-03-2010, 08:02 PM
ya, budy, i am glad you can return it with no cost. At lease the seller took the responsibiity.

buy a different uke..haha.. and let us know what you buy.

Teek
03-03-2010, 08:43 PM
I was watching this and asked them why A Famous Luthier All In Caps had felt the need to second guess KoAloha's decision as to how to brace their own uke design when he was a GUITAR guy in the first place. I didn't get an answer lol!

Tigeralum2001
03-04-2010, 03:20 AM
No worries about leaving negative feedback! The seller did the right thing and made amends, she didn't even argue. I was extremely pleased that she refunded my payment in full, including shipping, and even paid to ship it back. You can't argue with that.

I was tempted to keep it, but wasn't sure what it was worth. I mean 3 long back cracks? It did have a great sound & was quite playable. Probably only worth $50 to me.

Anyhow I feel great it worked out. Now I need to decide what to do with my money- save for a Sceptre or buy a cheaper uke. That is a great problem to have! :)

haolejohn
03-04-2010, 03:38 AM
Anyhow I feel great it worked out. Now I have decided to save for a Sceptre. That is a great problem to have! :)

Sounds like you have it figured out with a little help from me:)

BTW, I think you did the right thing. She took care of the problem.

molokinirum
03-04-2010, 08:43 AM
.....save for a Sceptre.... :)

You answered your own question!!!

vinisterz
03-04-2010, 11:56 AM
I'm glad you did not gave that seller a negative. Im an ebay seller myself wiht 692+ 100% feedback. She did the right thing to refund the money. Ebay does not give back listing fee, so the seller lost some $ anyway. Hope you find your next great ukulele

heyjude
03-04-2010, 12:03 PM
I bought this http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260554141041&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

I examined the pictures thoroughly before bidding & read the description. All the while I was thinking of Elderly's definition (http://elderly.com/vintage/abbreviations.html) of used descriptions.

It arrived today with 2 long back cracks (5 & 6 1/2 inches long). No light shines through & based on the description they were likely repaired.

I would never think to use "excellent" to describe any instrument with cracks, repaired or not. Using Elderly's definitions, this would be a "good" condition instrument. I know buyer beware, etc., but all that being said I feel misled. Nowhere did the description talk about damage. In fact, it was worded to appear to be in better condition than shown.

I have contacted the seller, etc. What I was hoping for is some advice on conflict resolution. I am not opposed to keeping the uke, just opposed to the price. What would a fair price be? Any other productive thoughts? Thanks!

Let's see what a uke from Elderly that's rated EC is like.-
GIBSON UKE-1 (c.1930)
EC- except back crack, 6-1/4" all mahogany body, 12-fret mahogany neck, rosewood fretboard, dot inlays, 13 frets, mahogany bridge, silkscreened headstock logo, mechanical friction tuners with black plastic buttons, sold AS-IS, (needs back brace and back crack repair, minor set up, etc.), 1-3/8" nut, 13-5/8" scale, with newer (50's) SSC
sku: 180U-948 .. $400.00
I don't think I'd want an excellent condition ie EC from Elderly. Here is their definition of Excellent Condition-
Excellent Condition : Very clean, might have some minor wear, dings, scratches, or finish cracks, but otherwise very close to new condition.
I don't think this Gibson fits that EC rating, do you?

Jude

wickedwahine11
03-04-2010, 12:10 PM
I'm really glad the seller did the right thing and gave you your money back. As to what you should do? Not a doubt in my mind...save for a Sceptre. I admit, I've been secretly looking at Sceptres lately myself. ;)

Ronnie Aloha
03-04-2010, 12:39 PM
I was looking at this and even asked about the bracing. Seller made it sound like it was added to enhance uke not to repair it. In my mind seller was deceptive.