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IAmTheWalrus
03-21-2010, 05:10 PM
I can see the specs but I don't know exactly what they mean. Can someone explain the difference. These are both nice ukuleles right?

http://www.activemusician.com/item--EM.UEW10QM

http://www.activemusician.com/item--EM.UEW20SG?ref=fg&ovchn=SCU&ovtac=CMP&ovcpn=&ovcrn=Ibanez+UEW20SG+Concert+Ukulele+w%2Fgig+bag+-+Spalted+Mango

Which one? Anything better for that price?

cornfedgroove
03-21-2010, 06:02 PM
I will say this...and take this kindly as you will. It is my first opinion that there are near limitless ukuleles out there better than that for the money. I say that because #1, I hate Ibanez:cool: (lets just get that out of the way lol) but secondly because Ibanez specializes in electric guitars, and nowadays, even those arent that hot...and their acoustic guitars are garbage. LOL, I dont wanna be a bummer, and whatever you decide in the end is great...but you asked, so I'll offer some advice * slanted as it may be

I make it a rule of thumb to purchase instruments from companies that specialize in that area...if I wanted an electric guitar, I would look at Gibson, Fender, Ibanez etc. If I wanted an acoustic guitar, I'd look at Gibson, Taylor, Martin, Breedlove...
If I wanted an ukulele for that price, I'd look at Kala, Lanikai etc...companies that are known for making ukuleles, not companies that make a couple on the side to try and ride the uke wave of popularity. On the same note, if I want to buy a banjo or mandolin or even an ukulele, I'm not going to ever go to Guitar Center- a store that specializes in low/mid-range guitars. For example, their regular stock at the store of banjos is garbage, their ukes are garbage, their mandolins are garbage...but their guitars can be quite nice, you get the idea.

all in all, those are nice looking ukuleles...Ibanez makes nice looking lots of things, but I think Ibanez is a terrible company who would rather spend a little extra to make instruments pretty to catch the eye of unknowing hobbyists rather than just investing real money into a real instrument. Being primarily an acoustic man of sorts, it would be a cold day before I purchased an Ibanez anything.

let it also be known...I've never held an Ibanez uke

my disclaimer is that although you'd in all likelihood buy one of these and be pleased with it...I think there are a lot of people would agree that you can get ukes that are not only just as pretty, but also better made and from a company that deserves uke support.

cornfedgroove
03-21-2010, 06:09 PM
oh, so I actually leave you with alternate ideas and dont just poop in your cheerios:

http://cgi.ebay.com/JUST-ARRIVED-Flame-mahogany-Kala-CONCERT-Ukulele-KA-CEM_W0QQitemZ330415532635QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_0?hash=item4cee4cea5b

http://cgi.ebay.com/KA-CE-KALA-Mahogany-Concert-Ukulele-w-PU-cs-SETUP_W0QQitemZ330415042068QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_D efaultDomain_0?hash=item4cee456e14

http://cgi.ebay.com/KALA-KA-SC-solid-sprucetop-Concert-Ukulele-w-case-SETUP_W0QQitemZ370351227156QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_D efaultDomain_0?hash=item563aa74114

http://cgi.ebay.com/KALA-KA-C-CONCERT-MAHOGANY-UKULELE-W-GIGBAG-SETUP_W0QQitemZ370351429245QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_D efaultDomain_0?hash=item563aaa567d

by the way, they appear to be exactly the same uke just made with different wood types for different tonal qualities.

mds725
03-21-2010, 06:35 PM
oh, so I actually leave you with alternate ideas and dont just poop in your cheerios:

http://cgi.ebay.com/JUST-ARRIVED-Flame-mahogany-Kala-CONCERT-Ukulele-KA-CEM_W0QQitemZ330415532635QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_0?hash=item4cee4cea5b

http://cgi.ebay.com/KA-CE-KALA-Mahogany-Concert-Ukulele-w-PU-cs-SETUP_W0QQitemZ330415042068QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_D efaultDomain_0?hash=item4cee456e14

http://cgi.ebay.com/KALA-KA-SC-solid-sprucetop-Concert-Ukulele-w-case-SETUP_W0QQitemZ370351227156QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_D efaultDomain_0?hash=item563aa74114

http://cgi.ebay.com/KALA-KA-C-CONCERT-MAHOGANY-UKULELE-W-GIGBAG-SETUP_W0QQitemZ370351429245QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_D efaultDomain_0?hash=item563aaa567d

by the way, they appear to be exactly the same uke just made with different wood types for different tonal qualities.

I believe that of these four ukuleles, all but the sprucetop are made of laminate rather than solid wood, and the sprucetop has, I believe, laminate sides and back. Nothing wrong with that, and these are all good ukuleles, from what people have said, although there's unlikely to be any noticable differences in sound or tone among ukuleles with laminate tops (soundboards). For what it's worth, I have two solid sprucetop thinline (travel) Kala ukuleles (a tenor and a concert) and I love them both.

Ukeffect
03-22-2010, 05:22 AM
There is nothing wrong with the Ibanez ukuleles, I have tried them and they seem well made, well balanced and sound nice. Ibanez seems to be on the right track with these models, but they are "jumping" on the uke bandwagon for a quick buck, so I have no idea how these will hold up over time. There is nothing wrong with companies trying to make a buck, especially in these economic times...but I make it a rule of thumb never to buy the first year of any new product, be it computers, cars, or musical instruments. The first year is for beta testing, next models should have any problems fixed. :2cents:

MTGuru
03-22-2010, 05:54 AM
FWIW, I've played some very nice Ibanez acoustics over the years - guitars and mandolins. Ibanez build quality is generally high, with nice fit and finish, good hardware, and good tone for the price range. It's definitely one of the better mid-range makers IMO.

That said, for my first uke purchase I followed cornfed's advice and went with a solid wood ukulele from a Hawaii-based maker. Ultimately, it's the sound of the instrument and value for the price, not the name on the headstock, that makes the difference.

These Ibanez ukes caught my eye, too. Personally, I find the design and appearance very attractive. But they're new, introduced at the NAMM show in January. At this point few people (including me) have actually tried them, and so far the reviews of the tone have been mixed. So you're paying partly for appearance. These are laminate-top ukes, and in that price range you can get a real solid-top uke or a Flea/Fluke from a known ukulele maker.

But especially if Ibanez offered these with a solid top and added electronics, they could be a pretty sweet instruments. :cool:

Anyway, to answer the OP question ... The difference between the two is just the (laminated) wood - maple or mango - and gold/silver hardware. They're both concert scale - 15 inches (382 mm).

Hope that helps!

Lori
03-22-2010, 06:12 AM
...

Anyway, to answer the OP question ... The difference between the two is just the (laminated) wood - maple or mango - and gold/silver hardware. They're both concert scale - 15 inches (382 mm).

Hope that helps!
Typically, Maple wood ukuleles would have a brighter sound than a Mango ukulele, which would have a lower/ deeper tone.
–Lori

IAmTheWalrus
03-22-2010, 10:58 AM
What should I look for under specs to know if the wood is glossy/laminated? My friend has the first Ibanez and I like it 10x better than my $50 Oscar. One main reason is the feel of the wood. Is it because one is laminated? Or is that what it's called?

And are those in the links you sent laminated?

cornfedgroove
03-22-2010, 12:01 PM
if it specifies as "solid wood"...its solid wood
if it specifies as "solid top", then top is solid, back and sides are laminate
if it casually avoids the topic, its all laminate

mind you, laminate does not = bad per say, there's lots of good laminate ukes.

IAmTheWalrus
03-22-2010, 12:32 PM
I thought laminate = good?

Tigeralum2001
03-22-2010, 12:56 PM
I thought laminate = good?
Only for mid-range flooring!

cornfedgroove
03-22-2010, 01:21 PM
laminate is fine...

traditionally its held that all solid wood is higher quality than laminate...
with todays higher quality laminates, its become "debateable" as to how much of a difference in quality there really is, but the solid wood standard is still very much in effect.

Sooo, laminates are not bad...but they are not the same as solid wood. Laminate looks good, is strong and durable, and even sounds pretty good, but it doesnt sound as good as the solid woods. At the end of the day, if you havent been playing for very long...you probably wont even notice the difference in sound at first which is why I said you'd probably be very happy regardless of what you decide.

let's categorize it this way, laminate is a good decision...solid wood would be a better one. For your level experience and what you want...you cant go wrong with either

IAmTheWalrus
03-22-2010, 02:35 PM
I have this:

http://www.amazon.com/Oscar-Schmidt-OU2-Concert-Ukulele/dp/B0002GLMEK

And I loved the first Ibanez's (I posted) sound 10x better. What made it sound better?

cornfedgroove
03-22-2010, 03:50 PM
you can have 2 ukes of the exact same materials built by 2 different companies...you'll find that it is as much about construction and design as it is the materials. You may think they look the same and that "how much difference can there be?", but there are significant factors in there.

how thick is the wood, how is it braced, where is it braced, what kind of wood is the bracing, size and shape of bracing, how is the neck joined etc etc

fhorndog
03-22-2010, 03:56 PM
Most laminates are purely aesthetic. THey are usually just dressed mahogany ukes. As for the Ibanez.... Last week I played a lanikai concert, an Ibanez concert, and an oscar schmidt concert. My ranking is the order they are listed. The lu series lanikai was the cheaper of the three and sounded the best. Just My humble opinion.

cornfedgroove
03-22-2010, 04:17 PM
you can dance all around this all day, but its the uke you want to get...

if you look at others in your price range and yet the Ibanez is still tugging on your heart...BAM, decision made

IAmTheWalrus
03-22-2010, 04:37 PM
Best Lanikai for around 150?

cornfedgroove
03-22-2010, 05:07 PM
I cant say for sure, but this is probably pretty good. I've heard alot of members talk about the LU-21 as one of their first ukes...I think even seeso, but I could be mistaken.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Hohner-Lanikai-LU-21CE-Concert-Ukulele-Brand-New-Uke_W0QQitemZ110510210697QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_0?hash=item19baebfe89

this ones a bit more with no electronics, but sure does look nice
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Lanikai-Curly-Koa-Concert-Ukulele-CK-C_W0QQitemZ330385521679QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Defau ltDomain_0?hash=item4cec82fc0f

but out of everything in your range, I'd go with this because its good looking, comes with electronics, a free setup (important for these less expensive ukes) and a hardshell case. It is also from a well known, reputable member here on the forums and will sound at least as good as the lanikai.
http://cgi.ebay.com/KA-CE-KALA-Mahogany-Concert-Ukulele-w-PU-cs-SETUP_W0QQitemZ330415042068QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_D efaultDomain_0?hash=item4cee456e14

IAmTheWalrus
03-23-2010, 12:00 PM
I've heard alot of members talk about the LU-21 as one of their first ukes.

Why am I taken as a beginner? I'm really not...

ceviche
03-23-2010, 12:07 PM
I thought laminate = good?

laminate="plywood"

For instance, a Martin D-28 is going to be be all solid wood. This is an instrument whose sound will mature. Think of a fine wine that only gets better and better with age. However, if the solid top and laminate sided instrument is well made, you will (should) wind up with the same sound from day #1 'till the apocalypse. Still, a well-made all solid wood instrument is going to be a financial and musical investment (not cheap in any respect).

cornfedgroove
03-23-2010, 01:31 PM
Why am I taken as a beginner? I'm really not...

hmm, a good question...I'm trying to figure out how to answer this w/o sounding like a turd. I'll explain my thinking...objectively so you understand. None of this is meant to offend.

It's purely assumption based on a few things:
1) you've only have a few posts
2) you play an oscar schmidt
3) you're asking basic questions about inexpensive ukes
4) we see this on the forum all the time

now, none of those things are clearly definitive on their own, but when put them all together, its typically a beginner scenario. Those who have been playing for years, who have a variety of ukes spanning the price ranges, and who have learned these things a long time ago would probably naturally make the assumption as its a common occurrence on forums. Or maybe I am just a turd. Sorry

IAmTheWalrus
03-23-2010, 02:29 PM
hmm, a good question...I'm trying to figure out how to answer this w/o sounding like a turd. I'll explain my thinking...objectively so you understand. None of this is meant to offend.

It's purely assumption based on a few things:
1) you've only have a few posts
2) you play an oscar schmidt
3) you're asking basic questions about inexpensive ukes
4) we see this on the forum all the time

now, none of those things are clearly definitive on their own, but when put them all together, its typically a beginner scenario. Those who have been playing for years, who have a variety of ukes spanning the price ranges, and who have learned these things a long time ago would probably naturally make the assumption as its a common occurrence on forums. Or maybe I am just a turd. Sorry

1) I have been playing guitar for around 5 years, and just recently joined this forum. I think 5 years of guitar may help just a little, now maybe, just maybe, a little bit.
2) Why would I go all out and buy an expensive uke if I am not even sure that I enjoy playing them? So, I picked up the Oscar just based on that.
3) How the hell am I supposed to know anything about ukuleles at all? Why do you think I joined this forum.
4) Okay.

cornfedgroove
03-23-2010, 03:24 PM
look, you asked...and I kindly and humbly explained why I made the assumption and admittedly in error. I wont make this personal, but you got to understand that when you lump all those factors together, its a natural assumption to make. You neither have to like it or be rude about it.

I've been playing guitar for certainly more than twice as long as you, and a host of others for at least as long...and I'm not tooting my own horn cuz it really pales in comparison to alot of members. However, the issue of laminate vs hardwood is the same with ukes as it is with guitars. When answering questions like this on a forum, if you'd been all that experienced, it would seem natural that a person would know this by now. I dont fault you for it, nor am I berating you for it...everyone has to learn it sometime, but I think its a natural conclusion to associate these questions with someone of lesser experience than what you have. Hence AGAIN, the wrong assumption of your experience, and AGAIN my bad. I've been more than helpful with your post and questions. You asked why I assumed you were a beginner, I explained it to you quite nicely why it would have been a natural assumption, and even apologized. In light of that, I do not appreciate the tone of your response, and this isnt really the kind of community where people piss on others who are helping them.

nomis
03-23-2010, 03:28 PM
How the hell am I supposed to know anything about ukuleles at all? Why do you think I joined this forum.

Then surely by your own admission you are a beginner. I've been playing guitar at a pretty high level for more than thirty years, but on ukulele I am a beginner. Incidentally, when I'd been playing guitar for five years I still considered myself a relative beginner.

Lastly, people here seem to be really going out of their way to help you so why are you being so rude?

I'm guessing that adulthood may also be something that you're a bit of a beginner at.

mailman
03-23-2010, 03:33 PM
Walrus....

You need to listen to the guy. You started out confused about gloss vs laminate.... one is a finish and one a construction material. You came across as not knowing much. You asked for help, and help was offered. We all want to help, but won't fight an attitude to do it....

IAmTheWalrus
03-23-2010, 03:56 PM
Firstly, I apologize for coming off like that. It just seemed to me that I was being told that I sucked basically with the first ukulele statement, and that I was some kind of an idiot for asking about an inexpensive ukulele. It also seemed, to me, he was trying to act like a turd just by saying "not to sound like a turd." I understand now that you weren't, so I apologize.
Now I can understand how I'm a beginner, but not a complete beginner. If that makes sense? I spend most of my time playing my ukulele and I don't think I'm a complete beginner at actually playing. I really know nothing when it comes to wood types and buying a good ukulele, which, in a way, makes me a total beginner.
I know now that I probably make myself look like a fool asking some of these questions in threads, so I'll go elsewhere. I just figured it was the easiest way to get an answer that was accurate.



I'm guessing that adulthood may also be something that you're a bit of a beginner at.
You're somewhat being a hypocrite here, but again, I apologize.

cornfedgroove
03-23-2010, 04:05 PM
no need to go elsewhere...

I've been as nice as I have in order to encourage you in the ukulele as well as in this forum. We all got to learn this stuff sometimes, and this is the premier place to do it. Chalk it up as a misunderstanding. I've apologized, you've apologized...nobody wants to lose an uke enthusiast over something so trivial as a misunderstanding.

IAmTheWalrus
03-23-2010, 04:10 PM
Truly though, I am sorry. You were trying to help me (and did very much), and I realize I acted like a fool. I just kind of got the wrong message through that post, even though you explained that you meant for me to take no offense.

And to make myself sound even more stupid... I don't know if I get it. The Ibanez has the certain feel because it's laminated wood or because of the special gloss?

cornfedgroove
03-23-2010, 04:19 PM
mostly the laminate...just like with guitars. Go pick up the solid wood martins vs the laminate ones.
Laminate is definitely lighter...almost "thinner"/ "cheaper" feeling. Gloss affects the feel, but is less significant factor

IAmTheWalrus
03-23-2010, 04:39 PM
All right, thanks.

I'm still feeling bad now, just looking at your profile. I'm sorry about being a 'jerk' and '(obvious) newbie.'
I didn't join this site to get into disagreements or anything. Like how you said you could assume I'm a beginner from playing an Oscar, that's why I'm here on this site. I would have no idea that it's a bad ukulele brand.
I've made myself look bad because I have misunderstood.
Looking back at the whole thread, at all the help you gave me, I had no reason to come back with that.
It's mainly that I was looking for a step up from a first ukulele, and when you said something about people's first ukulele, it made me feel sort of like I was completely horrible at the instrument and I was taking a step back, so I attempted to make myself not look like a complete beginner.

I feel bad, honestly. Can you somewhat understand why I felt the need to act as a jerk, from what I believe you were trying to say?

No hard feelings? :/

cornfedgroove
03-23-2010, 05:04 PM
We're cool like beans

Oscar Schmidt isnt a bad brand...it's just low end, like the hordes of yamaha guitars at guitar center. They're something you start off on...not something you'd buy with 10 years of experience.

Aside from that...like I said in the very beginning, an inexpensive uke made by an uke company is going to be as good, probably better, than a more expensive uke made by a guitar company (within reason). Oscar makes lots of things...even autoharps, but I cant think of any instruments they make that are of "stand out" quality. I could be wrong though