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Pete Howlett
06-15-2010, 07:54 PM
This was going bad so i executed it. here is the corpse laid out on the workshop stool:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p66/PeteHowlett/DSCF7569.jpg

Ahnko Honu
06-15-2010, 08:17 PM
I am guessing you don't sell factory seconds. 8-)

mm stan
06-15-2010, 08:44 PM
Aloha Pete,
It must have been a serious crime here...Jus gotta say, with all that
damage the binding held up really good... a testament to the
quality construction and guidelines you follow. RIP...
Okay, let's check the hands....who's got glue on them????

RyanMFT
06-15-2010, 08:46 PM
Pete, did you loan that uke to Pete Townsend or what?

Pete Howlett
06-15-2010, 10:19 PM
It was simple one but heinous. The rosette was B/W/B/W/B instaed of W/B/W/B/W. Well, it's either right or it isn't!

Allen
06-15-2010, 10:31 PM
I've put a few through the bandsaw as well Pete. Looked at them for a time. Put them aside. Brought them out and had another look, then just bit the bullet and said it wasn't right, and never would be. Nothing left but take them out of circulation.

Kind of cathartic isn't it.:D

erich@muttcrew.net
06-15-2010, 10:38 PM
...Jus gotta say, with all that
damage the binding held up really good...

You said it. I take back anything I've ever said about "who needs bindings". Evidently it is what holds the whole construction together when acted upon by (extreme) external forces.

mm stan
06-15-2010, 10:44 PM
Aloha Pete,
Very high standards you set for your self and your ukes.
And believe us, we appriciate it very much!!!
Next time a couple pounds of C-4 would be more appropiate...LOL
BTW- did you have a few after that one????
Mahalo For the Pic's, Until next time .....MM Stan

Michael N.
06-16-2010, 01:02 AM
It was simple one but heinous. The rosette was B/W/B/W/B instaed of W/B/W/B/W. Well, it's either right or it isn't!

Don't know about that! Perhaps not was intended but outer Black against a Brown top? Never forget: for beginners that would be a mistake, for masters it becomes part of their 'style'.

Pete Howlett
06-16-2010, 01:44 AM
No matter how hard I looked at it, it weren't right...

Matt Clara
06-16-2010, 02:48 AM
No matter how hard I looked at it, it weren't right...

Lol--I am very familiar with this feeling. I executed my last build, too. Ol' #4. I'd spent a lot of time on the finish, too, and parts of it looked amazing, but I buffed through the polish on the headstock, and when I strung it up, the top developed a crack that had to have been there before (a flaw of some sort), but I couldn't see it until it was too late. I bounced it off the concrete, and it exploded in several directions at once. Most satisfying, but all that labor. Oy.

Timbuck
06-16-2010, 03:21 AM
Don't know about that! Perhaps not was intended but outer Black against a Brown top? Never forget: for beginners that would be a mistake, for masters it becomes part of their 'style'.
You mean like this one?
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/hole-kts4.jpg

erich@muttcrew.net
06-16-2010, 07:36 AM
It's nice to know that there are folks out there that will not go below the bar, not one fraction of an inch :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: And if bouncing this stuff on the driveway and running over it is therapeutic, then so be it - the shrinks will have to look elsewhere for their clientel.

But... folks like me and my guys thrive on mishaps and broken stuff. I'd like to say "we buy junk and sell masterpieces", closer to the truth would probably be "we buy junk and sell improved junk" - but we don't sell our instruments, at least we haven't so far... we use them ourselves or sometimes give them to friends.

Take the 3/4 violin with the split right down the neck, for example. Although we have some nice spruce and some beautiful flamed maple on the shelf I just don't think I would have sat down and drawn up a maple/spruce uke with f-holes. But pulling the broken neck off and then pulling the body apart to set a new neck block... that's easy. Of course there's even more satisfaction in creating instruments from scratch, but creating from scrap is fun. There's a certain likeness to CBUs - you take something that someone was finished with and make a musical instrument out of it.

Anyway, next time, if you can control yourself, just drop me a line - I'm sure we can help you get over the mishap. Of course, I understand that you all have a name to make (or lose) for yourselves, and I don't underestimate that - but we would never reveal our sources.

:cheers: Erich

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
06-16-2010, 08:19 AM
I hope we're not getting the full story from you Pete. Otherwise, maybe it's time for an adjustment of your medication!
I've never built an uke I couldn't fix. There are lots of opportunities to learn and become creative on an instrument that didn't live up to our expectations. In a worse case scenario it could be given to someone (don't put your label in it). It could make someone's day or even change their life.

mm stan
06-16-2010, 09:18 AM
Aloha Chuck,
You've got one of those for me..even a factory second I would be drooling from you...
Just let me know me know, I'm intrested now and anytime in the future, seriously!!!!
"Keep strumming them strings" Ukes are for eva....MM Stan....

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
06-16-2010, 09:42 AM
I've given away lots of ukes, as has anyone in this business. But never to someone who has asked.

Sven
06-16-2010, 10:03 AM
I hope we're not getting the full story from you Pete.
My thought also, my leg feels pulled...

mm stan
06-16-2010, 10:59 AM
Aloha Chuck,
I not asking for handouts, just a lowered price for seconds....
pretend I didn't ask then....shucks!!!!
Can't blame me for trying no....MM Stan....

Dave Higham
06-16-2010, 11:12 AM
I hope we're not getting the full story from you Pete.

My thought too. After all, it's not too difficult to route out a rosette and put in a new one. So what were the other issues?

Pete Howlett
06-16-2010, 11:23 AM
Now that really would be telling wouldn't it - neck alignment .25mm out was one... anyway I had the cremation this afternoon and it's on my facebook page :) Boy, Nitro makes those suckers ignite and burn real quick!

luvzmocha
06-20-2010, 09:14 AM
In a worse case scenario it could be given to someone (don't put your label in it). It could make someone's day or even change their life.

I'm sure Mr. Moore has some good Karma coming his way!

Pete Howlett
06-20-2010, 08:52 PM
Never - it is destroyed every time. I don't want people going round saying, "I've got a Howlett second..." It's either right or it isn't.

Sven
06-21-2010, 01:43 AM
I eagerly await the day someone says "hey I've got an Argapa first..."

Flyfish57
06-22-2010, 05:01 AM
I hope I never get to the level where I think a less than perfect ukulele is better destroyed than donated to either a person or school where it would be appreciated.

Ken W
06-22-2010, 05:15 AM
I hope I never get to the level where I think a less than perfect ukulele is better destroyed than donated to either a person or school where it would be appreciated.

Flyfish - I get what you are saying, but...I will never be in a position where the quality of my instruments (and more importantly, the perception that others have based on what they see and hear) is directly responsible for the food I put on the table for my family. I don't think that those of us who do this for fun and pleasure can ever fully understand how important quality is to the professional builders who have made this their livelyhood. I know that in my career (not instrument building) I only want people to see my best work. Why else would they ever want to work with me again?

Timbuck
06-22-2010, 05:21 AM
When you're in the manufacturing game (As Pete is) and a component fails to pass inspection due to being out of spec: you have 3 options ....1. Scrap and remake:mad:.....2. Repair fault:(... 3. go for a consession ( talk to the customer about it and ask if he is happy with it):confused:.

I like the first one best:)

Dusepo
06-22-2010, 05:42 AM
I think we should all go looking through Pete's rubbish bins. lol :p

Flyfish57
06-22-2010, 05:50 AM
I’m not at that level so I can not comprehend the mentality of it. Maybe it’s because I started building ukuleles because I couldn’t afford to buy a decent one.

I spend half my ukulele building time reworking my mistakes.

Pete Howlett
06-22-2010, 07:09 AM
I'm in business feeding my family on my reputation. The last thing I want to be known for is the guy who made brilliant seconds! Unless you do this stuff day in, day out in competition with other fine makers who I consider both my peers and mentors you can't afford to have anything less than the best out there...

Pukulele Pete
06-22-2010, 07:31 AM
Pete , I agree with you completely.

erich@muttcrew.net
06-22-2010, 07:39 AM
Pete and others make instruments for a living. They have a reputation to keep and cannot afford to let stuff go out that doesn't meet their quality standards. Alas, not even to their friends, admirers, followers, peers....

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
06-22-2010, 07:52 AM
The thing about selling seconds is that no one will ever admit to owning a second. They don't want people to know how cheap they are! They will proudly represent it as the builders best work. Also, musical instruments get traded like baseball cards. The second or third owner of the ukulele will likely never know that it was originally sold as a second, yet the builders good name is on there forever.

Pete Howlett
06-22-2010, 08:10 AM
I won't risk it. I met a woman once who owned Jose Romanillos's first guitar. It developed a crack in the back and she took it back to him for repair. When he returned it, he'd ripped out the label and refused to have it in the instrument. And that is what happens - however the story runs it's always going to be bad... However, I admire your optimism Chuck and belief in humanity. Must be living in the country that does it.

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
06-22-2010, 08:41 AM
. However, I admire your optimism Chuck and belief in humanity.

Once again, you've lost me Pete. I have no disagreement with what you've said. In this post at least!

Pete Howlett
06-22-2010, 10:21 AM
You seemed to imply that time would dim the memory Chuck and people will be kind. In my experience, it doesn't; in fact, it often goes horribly worse.

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
06-22-2010, 04:49 PM
Not at all my intention Pete. What I said was that a ukulele may be sold many times without the buyer ever knowing that it was a second originally and will likely be represented as a first. If there's a mistake on it I don't want my name on it. I've never sold a second but I've given away some instruments that didn't quite meet up to my standards. My name won't be found on any of them. That last uke I built that didn't meet my high expectations was about 150 ukes ago. That ended up being a wedding present.