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Ukulele Buddy
07-12-2010, 08:38 AM
Have you ever stumbled across a tab that looks oddly like yours? And with further inspection IT IS!!. Not even a single reference where this guy got this tab. He took my tab directly from UU and my thread.
Mine- http://www.ukuleleunderground.com/forum/showthread.php?26959-Upside-down-Jack-Johnson-Tab-Chords-Lyrics&p=327727#post327727

His- http://www.ukulele-tabs.com/uke-songs/jack-johnson/upside-down-with-picking-uke-tab-15511.html
This is my first tab and someone takes it? Jack Johnson is cool and all but just taking it.
I'm not offended that he is shearing my tab on another site, but not acknowledge the person who really did do it makes me mad. Does anyone no what to do, or ever been in my situation. I could use some help. Thanks

hoosierhiver
07-12-2010, 08:51 AM
Did you contact him? maybe even send him a link to this thread.

Ukulele Buddy
07-12-2010, 08:55 AM
No, I never even heard of this guy. I was just looking for a different song by Jack Johnson when i came across it.

nscafe
07-12-2010, 09:26 AM
He's the fourth-highest ranked submitter on that site with 178 tabs. I guess that's how you get numbers like that.

upskydowncloud
07-12-2010, 09:44 AM
Have you ever stumbled across a tab that looks oddly like yours? And with further inspection IT IS!!. Not even a single reference where this guy got this tab. He took my tab directly from UU and my thread.
Mine- http://www.ukuleleunderground.com/forum/showthread.php?26959-Upside-down-Jack-Johnson-Tab-Chords-Lyrics&p=327727#post327727

His- http://www.ukulele-tabs.com/uke-songs/jack-johnson/upside-down-with-picking-uke-tab-15511.html
This is my first tab and someone takes it? Jack Johnson is cool and all but just taking it.
I'm not offended that he is shearing my tab on another site, but not acknowledge the person who really did do it makes me mad. Does anyone no what to do, or ever been in my situation. I could use some help. Thanks

Hey that's not so good. Maybe do what hoosier says and ask him if he'll put your name on it or something like that? One of the problems of posting anything on an easily accessible public internet forum is that anyone can see (and take) anything they want!

JT_Ukes
07-12-2010, 10:02 AM
CopyWRONG is more like it

Melissa82
07-12-2010, 11:09 AM
I can't really see how you can be upset about someone copying a tab of a song you didn't write. Not trying to cause any trouble but, I'm just sayin...

Ukulele Buddy
07-12-2010, 11:19 AM
Ya, i can see what you mean, but its my own version of this song. He just took it without changing a thing. If he were to improve it in anyway it would have been fine but he didn't. Just copy and paste.

Ahnko Honu
07-12-2010, 11:35 AM
Were the tabs copyrighted? Can they even be copyrighted?
I do agree the credit should be given where due.

Tudorp
07-12-2010, 11:36 AM
I could see how irritating that could be, but like said above, ya can't claim a copyrighted song. And even if it were original, and ya never copyrighted it, it's gone.. But still irritating none the less. The writer of the song would have more of a gripe IMHO. Also just sayin..

Lori
07-12-2010, 12:24 PM
I would be careful about how upset I got about this. Check into the evolving laws about copyright infringement (chord charts might be OK where tabs might be a problem). You might not want your name on it if the songwriter or publisher decides you are infringing by publishing your tab.

–Lori

UkuleleHill
07-12-2010, 12:51 PM
I would be careful about how upset I got about this. Check into the evolving laws about copyright infringement (chord charts might be OK where tabs might be a problem). You might not want your name on it if the songwriter or publisher decides you are infringing by publishing your tab.

–Lori

I agree with Lori here...

seeso
07-12-2010, 01:06 PM
If you continue posting tabs on the internet, get used to people taking them and posting them elsewhere. I don't even think twice about it. Besides, people are learning the song you tabbed, and isn't that why you tabbed it in the first place?

haolejohn
07-12-2010, 01:07 PM
Have you ever stumbled across a tab that looks oddly like yours? And with further inspection IT IS!!. Not even a single reference where this guy got this tab. He took my tab directly from UU and my thread.
Mine- http://www.ukuleleunderground.com/forum/showthread.php?26959-Upside-down-Jack-Johnson-Tab-Chords-Lyrics&p=327727#post327727

His- http://www.ukulele-tabs.com/uke-songs/jack-johnson/upside-down-with-picking-uke-tab-15511.html
This is my first tab and someone takes it? Jack Johnson is cool and all but just taking it.
I'm not offended that he is shearing my tab on another site, but not acknowledge the person who really did do it makes me mad. Does anyone no what to do, or ever been in my situation. I could use some help. Thanks

They look different to me. His song has a bunch of xs in it:)

Kanaka916
07-12-2010, 01:33 PM
They look different to me. His song has a bunch of xs in it:)
The site was down for a while because a problem with British copyright infringement or something. When the site reopened, the majority of the lyrics were replaced with x's. A lot of the tabs/chords sheets are contributed from players from different countries. I think UU member Ukulele Tabs manages the site. Anyways, here's the post about Ukulele Tabs (http://www.ukuleleunderground.com/forum/showthread.php?28309-Ukulele-tabs.com&p=343382#post343382).

whetu
07-12-2010, 04:21 PM
I could see how irritating that could be, but like said above, ya can't claim a copyrighted song.
Well... he's not claiming copyright on the song itself per se, but on the reverse engineered tabs. At best you've got 'derivation', and different countries deal with derivative work in different ways.


And even if it were original, and ya never copyrighted it, it's gone.
(If you're in a Berne signatory country, which all but about 14 countries are: ) Unless you transfer the rights - as some artists do to their recording companies, there are no forms to fill or fees to pay. Copyright is automatic, you don't have to declare any "(C) Copyright whetu industries ltd 2010 - infinity. All Rights Reserved" nonsense, that requirement stopped about 20 years ago. It helps, granted, but it's not required :) You have to specifically say "I release this to the public domain or under [insert some creative commons or similar licence here]" to give up some/all of the provisions of copyright law.

To the OP: Next time you'll want to put in some license that declares along the lines of:
This is a reverse engineered/derivitive tab notation music sheet to be used for the purposes of education. No copyright infringement of the original work is intended, conveyed or implied. I release it under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 license.

If the original copyright holder comes a'knockin, the above won't help. But it should work towards having people share nicely while attributing you for your work. If you really want to get serious about it, consult a lawyer who specialises in internet/international copyright to draw you up something a bit more waterproof. Otherwise, make like Seeso says and get used to it :)

nscafe's right though, ukulele-tabs is chronically full of copy-and-pasters. I've modded down plenty of submissions there as they were c&p'd straight from a guitar site - no translation, just raw guitar tab!

kissing
07-12-2010, 09:49 PM
I think with tabs, the less it is associated with you, the safer.

luvdat
07-12-2010, 11:42 PM
I think with tabs, the less it is associated with you, the safer.

In short, possible blessing in disguise.

mm stan
07-13-2010, 12:22 AM
I'd second on that for sure!!!!

buddhuu
07-13-2010, 12:22 AM
Copyright is a huge PitA for people who care about music more than they care about business.

In the UK our PRS (the body that licenses music for public performance) tries to wring money even out of venues where only non-copyright traditional music is played - folk music, traditional Irish dance music etc. Apparently, because of the risible concept that someone can copyright their arrangement of a tune, even traditional music from hundreds of years ago gets scratched by the greedy, grasping claws of parasitic business.

Makes me furious.

The music business is becoming increasingly leech-like. Real creativity is swamped under derivative junk full of samples and remixes and rewrites of earlier work. People have the bare-faced cheek to release some sample-drenched PoS where the original composers/artists are mentioned in passing if at all, and then try to claim copyright. These people are killing real music.

In fact, the music business is killing real music.

Off to take a cold shower and wipe the steam off my glasses.

Grrrrr. :mad:

luvdat
07-13-2010, 12:29 AM
If you continue posting tabs on the internet, get used to people taking them and posting them elsewhere. I don't even think twice about it. Besides, people are learning the song you tabbed, and isn't that why you tabbed it in the first place?

Mature approach vs....infantalism. Forgive me for saying it this way, but amid even references to copyright law (with at times no true understanding of "intellectual property" wherein "concepts" themselves are confused with "content") the underlying engine of these discussions is an unexamined infantalism which we ALL (and I will accuse myself first) suffer from...and also double standards.

buddhuu
07-13-2010, 02:26 AM
Pardon ?

Ukulele JJ
07-13-2010, 02:39 AM
I snuck a camcorder into the latest "Twilight" movie and filmed the whole thing. Now someone has put my recording of the movie on their website without even so much as crediting me for doing all the work!

That really makes me mad. What should I do?

:-)

JJ

Melissa82
07-13-2010, 03:50 AM
Pardon ?I think he is bringing Freud into this...

Tudorp
07-13-2010, 04:12 AM
I snuck a camcorder into the latest "Twilight" movie and filmed the whole thing. Now someone has put my recording of the movie on their website without even so much as crediting me for doing all the work!

That really makes me mad. What should I do?

:-)

JJ

Dont answer your door, phone, or go out in public for awhile.. ;)

jehicks87
07-13-2010, 04:38 AM
Pardon ?

What he's basically saying is it's childish to get upset that someone knocked off your knock off of a song.

He also went into the difference between conceptual copyright (where you say "hey, if I play this one note for 8 hours straight, I can copyright it because no one else can do that!" which, correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't work) and content copyright (where you actually copyright a work, be it a poem, book, piece of music, etc.)

:D

buddhuu
07-13-2010, 05:43 AM
What he's basically saying is it's childish to get upset that someone knocked off your knock off of a song.

He also went into the difference between conceptual copyright (where you say "hey, if I play this one note for 8 hours straight, I can copyright it because no one else can do that!" which, correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't work) and content copyright (where you actually copyright a work, be it a poem, book, piece of music, etc.)

:D
Oh yeah. Now I see it. ;)


[...]What should I do?
Hold the confounded camera still next time, drat it. I can't bear to watch the whole thing with all that shaking...

buddhuu
07-13-2010, 05:45 AM
I think he is bringing Freud into this...
Fred ?

Melissa82
07-13-2010, 06:04 AM
Fred ?http://www.loyno.edu/~kchopin/new/related/images/freud2.jpg

spookefoote
07-13-2010, 06:11 AM
Aint worth the fuss to be honest, life's far to short and you're a long time dead. No point, treat it as a compliment.

nscafe
07-13-2010, 06:21 AM
http://www.loyno.edu/~kchopin/new/related/images/freud2.jpg

http://i-love-cartoons.com/snags/clipart/Hanna-Barbera/Flintstones/Fred-Flintstone.jpg

Ukulele JJ
07-13-2010, 09:32 AM
http://imagecache6.allposters.com/LRG/27/2772/S3WTD00Z.jpg

JJ

spookefoote
07-13-2010, 09:40 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00055/IN5948343circa-1945-_55370t.jpg

whetu
07-13-2010, 10:47 AM
(with at times no true understanding of "intellectual property" wherein "concepts" themselves are confused with "content")

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.html :)

nscafe
07-13-2010, 11:18 AM
http://www.fredwillard.com/images/fw-pipe.jpg

Tudorp
07-13-2010, 11:39 AM
http://inquisidor71.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/freddie_mercury_102.jpg

BobN
07-13-2010, 11:39 AM
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2769/freud3.th.jpg (http://img291.imageshack.us/i/freud3.jpg/)

nscafe
07-13-2010, 11:49 AM
Love Sigmund with the uke! Here's another ridiculous contribution to this completely hijacked thread:

http://bangssalon.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/fredsavage.jpg

luvdat
07-13-2010, 11:50 AM
I think he is bringing Freud into this...

Freud Flintstone...an idea for a sitcom nobody here on UU forum better steal!!!

Did you know that none other than Jake S. stole my entire idea for his now famous first video? He saw a vid of me singing "Strawberry Fields" and I was playing guitar and weeping...

What others thought was an over the top melodramatic performance...he turned into a career-starting internet sensation. Robbed!!! Melissa, please resolve this...

Hijacked thread? I say improved...

Or did you mean "hijaked?"

luvdat
07-13-2010, 12:09 PM
http://inquisidor71.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/freddie_mercury_102.jpg

This is one of the live covers buddhuu did which really got him in copyright hot water...back in the day...

Just joking Rick...

Melissa82
07-13-2010, 12:16 PM
This thread is officially hilarious. I apologize to the OP, lol.

seeso
07-13-2010, 12:17 PM
Alright, alright, you've had your fun. Methinks this thread has done its job. LOCKED.