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Hippie Dribble
10-27-2010, 10:48 PM
Howdy all

just reflecting this evening on my illness and came up with a bit of a theory...

I've decided that one needs to be a sufferer of UAS to fully appreciate the ukulele as an instrument and as a consequence, make better purchasing choices over a lifetime of playing.

What I have noticed in myself is a 3 stage progression, kinda like this:

(stage 1) get addicted to the ukulele. begin suffering from UAS. then buy as many ukes as your budget and your wife / husband will allow. :o

(stage 2) as you gravitate to particular ukes and watch others gather dust, the selling process begins...a thinning of the herd as they say...this then provides you with more money to focus your buying into those brands and builders you come to prefer. this stage repeats itself, being further refined each time...

(stage 3) end up with a smaller, higher quality collection based on your experiences in stage 1 and 2. Ensuring you have a couple of "bangers", but perhaps 3 or 4 of each scale that you know suit you, will get played and sound great.

I hope your BS meters haven't gone through the roof by now, but seriously, this is what has happened to me this year as I enter stage 3. I have had as many as 30+ ukes in the house, but have recently sold nearly all of the cheaper ones and a couple of expensive ones, reinvested that cash into a Kamaka, Mya Moe etc so that the collection is worth roughly the same amount of money as it was previously, but is considerably smaller and of substantially higher quality...what do you all think?


So by
(stage 4) we're actually talking about a REVERSE UAS theory which emphasises quality over quantity!!! :)The point being though, that one can't get to stage 4 without going through each previous stage. We need UAS people!!!!! :iwant:

mm stan
10-27-2010, 11:40 PM
Aloha Eugene,
Actually stage 4 is buying all custom ukes and just keeping your fav's....ouch to the wallet....lol MM Stan...

Hippie Dribble
10-28-2010, 12:12 AM
Aloha Eugene,
Actually stage 4 is buying all custom ukes and just keeping your fav's....ouch to the wallet....lol MM Stan...

hey Stan...I'm with you bruddah! You must be at stage 5 (must be a nice view from there) :o...at the moment I'm just on the cusp of stage 4. Only got one custom, a Black Bear, and she's a ripper but can feel more coming after some more sales...:)

fitncrafty
10-28-2010, 01:21 AM
This is the start of a very good point paper if you ever decide to go back to school! Makes sense...

I don't know what's happened to me... but my desire is really to play.. maybe because I just don't have the justification (or cash) to buy more ukes... however, I have only been playing a short time(less than 3 months and already have 3) but I really just want to play my luna... One uke is pulled apart no strings, or tuners and wouldn't have a bridge if I could get it off. (getting a new paint job) Ok.. maybe I would be buying a fluke or flea if I had the cash. And an amp for my luna, which I don't really need, because you can't hear me singing over my uke anyhow, which could be a good thing! Maybe I do need an amp. and a microphone...Humm.. must be stage 2.5....

mm stan
10-28-2010, 02:06 AM
This is the start of a very good point paper if you ever decide to go back to school! Makes sense...

I don't know what's happened to me... but my desire is really to play.. maybe because I just don't have the justification (or cash) to buy more ukes... however, I have only been playing a short time(less than 3 months and already have 3) but I really just want to play my luna... One uke is pulled apart no strings, or tuners and wouldn't have a bridge if I could get it off. (getting a new paint job) Ok.. maybe I would be buying a fluke or flea if I had the cash. And an amp for my luna, which I don't really need, because you can't hear me singing over my uke anyhow, which could be a good thing! Maybe I do need an amp. and a microphone...Humm.. must be stage 2.5....
Aloha FitnCrafty,
My quota when I started was one uke every month, looks like you're following my path so far....only bad thing about that it is ...ouch!!! my empty wallet, but i'm happy...isn't that all that's supposed to count????

Skitzic
10-28-2010, 02:44 AM
I don't know if that's justification, or more just an explanation of the progression. To have a valid excuse, you need to think larger than just the ukulele community...you need to make it applicable to others.

How about this:

Ukuleles make me happy. I want to buy more ukuleles because buying them (responsibly...we don't want anyone losing their house) makes me happy. I need money to buy ukuleles, so I have to go to work. I have to work harder to get more money faster to buy my ukulele, but I'm not sad or grumpy about it because I go home and play the ukuleles I have. I save enough, buy the ukulele, and repeat the process.

In short, UAS makes me a harder worker and a more productive member of society.

joeybug
10-28-2010, 02:54 AM
I don't know if that's justification, or more just an explanation of the progression. To have a valid excuse, you need to think larger than just the ukulele community...you need to make it applicable to others.

How about this:

Ukuleles make me happy. I want to buy more ukuleles because buying them (responsibly...we don't want anyone losing their house) makes me happy. I need money to buy ukuleles, so I have to go to work. I have to work harder to get more money faster to buy my ukulele, but I'm not sad or grumpy about it because I go home and play the ukuleles I have. I save enough, buy the ukulele, and repeat the process.

In short, UAS makes me a harder worker and a more productive member of society.

:agree: Except I don't go to work, I studied harder so that I can have more time to play my Ukes!

Hippie Dribble
10-28-2010, 03:15 AM
I don't know if that's justification, or more just an explanation of the progression. To have a valid excuse, you need to think larger than just the ukulele community...you need to make it applicable to others.

How about this:

Ukuleles make me happy. I want to buy more ukuleles because buying them (responsibly...we don't want anyone losing their house) makes me happy. I need money to buy ukuleles, so I have to go to work. I have to work harder to get more money faster to buy my ukulele, but I'm not sad or grumpy about it because I go home and play the ukuleles I have. I save enough, buy the ukulele, and repeat the process.

In short, UAS makes me a harder worker and a more productive member of society.

thanks Skitzic! That's the kind of comment I was hoping to get!

I'm not 100 percent sure I'm with you though...My approach was based more on the idea that the "pure" UAS is based on indiscriminant accumulation of ukes...but that, in time, it would go full circle and result in a more discerning, less impulsive desire to buy and therefore a more considered, smaller, higher quality collection. So that, in the long run one can justify their UAS on that basis: one's knowledge base is increased through (over) exposure and thus, you become a more discerning buyer.

The other thing you said I find interesting is your reference to being a more productive member of society. Surely there are so many ways one can be "productive" in society through means other than working hard...all depends I suppose on how we define "productive"...I'm not sure we need an excuse for UAS that encompasses the rest of society. What has "society" got to do with my own hobby / passion that is idiosyncratic to an individual? I consider myself to be productive in society - not because I work hard to make money to spend to stimulate the economy - but in ways like social and emotional support to people, participation in community service work that I don't get paid for. To me it's just too long a bow to draw to try and link the two.

Of course, there is the distinct possibility I've really not understood your point at all!!! (wouldn't be the first time!) What say you?...

Skitzic
10-28-2010, 03:45 AM
thanks Skitzic! That's the kind of comment I was hoping to get!

I'm not 100 percent sure I'm with you though...My approach was based more on the idea that the "pure" UAS is based on indiscriminant accumulation of ukes...but that, in time, it would go full circle and result in a more discerning, less impulsive desire to buy and therefore a more considered, smaller, higher quality collection. So that, in the long run one can justify their UAS on that basis: one's knowledge base is increased through (over) exposure and thus, you become a more discerning buyer.

The other thing you said I find interesting is your reference to being a more productive member of society. Surely there are so many ways one can be "productive" in society through means other than working hard...all depends I suppose on how we define "productive"...I'm not sure we need an excuse for UAS that encompasses the rest of society. What has "society" got to do with my own hobby / passion that is idiosyncratic to an individual? I consider myself to be productive in society - not because I work hard to make money to spend to stimulate the economy - but in ways like social and emotional support to people, participation in community service work that I don't get paid for. To me it's just too long a bow to draw to try and link the two.

Of course, there is the distinct possibility I've really not understood your point at all!!! (wouldn't be the first time!) What say you?...

I was thinking more along the lines of justifying the uke purchases to a spouse who may not be interested in ukuleles. So the quality of the build will be lost on them. All they know is you want to spend $1,000+ on a uke. Saying 'this is a high quality, hand crafted custom ukulele made in Hawaii by blah blah blah' is probably not going to have any effect. They're just going to see the price tag and wonder WTH is wrong with you.

I really like your breakdown on the process though. I think that is the path most people follow and it will work well within the ukulele community. I also agree with you that there are other ways to be a productive member of society, not just working hard and spending money. But if I needed to justify my ukulele purchases to my significant other (which I don't. I am blessed with a very accommodating fiance who asks which uke to buy me for Christmas :D) I would say something along those lines.

Make more sense now?

I feel that the term 'it's a ukulele thing, you wouldn't understand.' would apply here.

fitncrafty
10-28-2010, 04:38 AM
That 's good too... Too bad being a mom didn't pay better, or being a student (which costs a fortune) Ah.. alas I love my 'job' though and yes MM, happiness counts LOTS!

fitncrafty
10-28-2010, 04:40 AM
I was thinking more along the lines of justifying the uke purchases to a spouse who may not be interested in ukuleles. So the quality of the build will be lost on them. All they know is you want to spend $1,000+ on a uke. Saying 'this is a high quality, hand crafted custom ukulele made in Hawaii by blah blah blah' is probably not going to have any effect. They're just going to see the price tag and wonder WTH is wrong with you.

I really like your breakdown on the process though. I think that is the path most people follow and it will work well within the ukulele community. I also agree with you that there are other ways to be a productive member of society, not just working hard and spending money. But if I needed to justify my ukulele purchases to my significant other (which I don't. I am blessed with a very accommodating fiance who asks which uke to buy me for Christmas :D) I would say something along those lines.

Make more sense now?

I feel that the term 'it's a ukulele thing, you wouldn't understand.' would apply here.

the good thing with my husband is I can just remind him (kindly and gently) about the enormous (and expensive) comic book collection, which includes figures... that usually works great... each spouse has to have something... so they can relate to each other!

Ukeffect
10-28-2010, 04:56 AM
At last...a REAL breakdown of the stages of UAS!(Scary how true it is!) Hello...my name is Bruce...and I am a Ukeaholic! Now we just need a recovery program and/or a pill to treat it! *OR...would that be another ukulele?*

Mandarb
10-28-2010, 05:46 AM
My approach was based more on the idea that the "pure" UAS is based on indiscriminant accumulation of uke

So if you discriminately purchase ukes based on budget, size, sound, and type of wood preferences than it is not UAS or "pure" UAS?

Pueo
10-28-2010, 05:47 AM
I have a much milder form of UAS. It tends to stay in the "Want" category more than the actual "Buy" category. I have 5 ukuleles, and one of them is a hand-me-down from my wife's grandmother, so I have only purchased four of them. The crazy part for me is that the most recent one is a custom, that I ordered from the luthier last year as I was buying ukulele #3 from him. Then, while I was visiting Hawaii to pick up my new custom (#5), I visited Chuck Moore, so now :iwant: a Moore Bettah - BADLY. More than I want any K brand, or anything else. So it's kind of like I went straight to stage 4 or 5. I also feel that UAS may be done for me when I get the MB, as I have a nice variety of styles (low G, High G, Koa, Milo, laminate (beater), Tenor, Concert, Baritone, six string) to keep it interesting. Each Ukulele has a very different sound and has its own niche. Sure, I want a tie-dye Fluke, but I'm not saving up for one or anything. It kind of stays like that for me.

I also have two guitars and a Bass, but they don't count either, only one of the guitars has strings on it, and they are old at that. Hmmm, maybe it's that I never sell anything... :)

Ronnie Aloha
10-28-2010, 06:05 AM
I consider myself an "art" collector. No one says art collectors have issues right? : )

Pueo, I agree about the Moore Bettah. I think that will be the Picaso in my collection and no further collecting will be necessary.

Hippie Dribble
10-28-2010, 10:57 AM
So if you discriminately purchase ukes based on budget, size, sound, and type of wood preferences than it is not UAS or "pure" UAS?

hi Mandarb...

good point you make...I guess I was just trying to differentiate between a UAS that is about buying merely for the sake of buying / aquiring and a UAS that evolves into a less impulsive, more considered method. Point being you only get more discriminant as you move through the stages. Both are forms of UAS though and to use the word "pure" was probably a little silly! :o

mm stan
10-28-2010, 12:23 PM
UAS will never end, you're living at the moment, and believe what you believe now...when I said, Id be happy if I got those in the past and got them and don't need any more, temptation and wants will always be
there..no matter what.....if your passion is still there.. There will always upgrades and progression in material objects and the temptation will always be there to attain them...its human nature.. he he of course
this doesn't apply to significant others....lol....

Hippie Dribble
10-28-2010, 12:33 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of justifying the uke purchases to a spouse who may not be interested in ukuleles. So the quality of the build will be lost on them. All they know is you want to spend $1,000+ on a uke. Saying 'this is a high quality, hand crafted custom ukulele made in Hawaii by blah blah blah' is probably not going to have any effect. They're just going to see the price tag and wonder WTH is wrong with you.

I really like your breakdown on the process though. I think that is the path most people follow and it will work well within the ukulele community. I also agree with you that there are other ways to be a productive member of society, not just working hard and spending money. But if I needed to justify my ukulele purchases to my significant other (which I don't. I am blessed with a very accommodating fiance who asks which uke to buy me for Christmas :D) I would say something along those lines.

Make more sense now?

I feel that the term 'it's a ukulele thing, you wouldn't understand.' would apply here.

yes I'm definately with you now. I went through that same stuff you're talking about with my own wife over the past couple of years...at stage 1 and into stage 2 she kept questioning my sanity etc...now as I've moved into stage 3 she's just been worn down and pretty much given up...like your fiance, she's almost at that point of asking "which uke for Christmas" too...hmmm...maybe I subconsciously wrote out that theory to justify UAS to my wife!!! :o

Hippie Dribble
10-28-2010, 12:39 PM
This is the start of a very good point paper if you ever decide to go back to school! Makes sense...

I don't know what's happened to me... but my desire is really to play.. maybe because I just don't have the justification (or cash) to buy more ukes... however, I have only been playing a short time(less than 3 months and already have 3) but I really just want to play my luna... One uke is pulled apart no strings, or tuners and wouldn't have a bridge if I could get it off. (getting a new paint job) Ok.. maybe I would be buying a fluke or flea if I had the cash. And an amp for my luna, which I don't really need, because you can't hear me singing over my uke anyhow, which could be a good thing! Maybe I do need an amp. and a microphone...Humm.. must be stage 2.5....

Hi fitncrafty...

you KNOW what is happening to you I think!!! you are presenting with classic signs of stage 1 UAS which, if left untreated...progressses inevitably onwards...I agree though,in the end it's all about the playing because the uke is such a happy instrument that puts smiles on faces and brings people together :) I think your luna is beautiful too and I'd be playing it flat out if I had one...like I said before to you, really hoping to get that same model for my wife for Christmas: this is a more insidious form of UAS and slightly harder to detect, otherwise known in medical circles as: IRBTFMSS or "I'm really buying this for my spouse syndrome". The only cure for this one sadly, is divorce!!! :o

Hippie Dribble
10-28-2010, 12:43 PM
the good thing with my husband is I can just remind him (kindly and gently) about the enormous (and expensive) comic book collection, which includes figures... that usually works great... each spouse has to have something... so they can relate to each other!

same here mate...were Fiona to take me to task over my UAS I always have the HAS to retaliate with!!! My wife has "Horse Aquuisition Syndrome" which is a rabid form of AS given the tendency of animals to reproduce...start with 2 and end up with???.....Look what happened to humans with Adam & Eve... :o

Hippie Dribble
10-28-2010, 12:48 PM
At last...a REAL breakdown of the stages of UAS!(Scary how true it is!) Hello...my name is Bruce...and I am a Ukeaholic! Now we just need a recovery program and/or a pill to treat it! *OR...would that be another ukulele?*

hey Bruce...like Stan said, sadly there is no known cure...except another ukulele brother!!!:o

Hippie Dribble
10-28-2010, 12:52 PM
I have a much milder form of UAS. It tends to stay in the "Want" category more than the actual "Buy" category. I have 5 ukuleles, and one of them is a hand-me-down from my wife's grandmother, so I have only purchased four of them. The crazy part for me is that the most recent one is a custom, that I ordered from the luthier last year as I was buying ukulele #3 from him. Then, while I was visiting Hawaii to pick up my new custom (#5), I visited Chuck Moore, so now :iwant: a Moore Bettah - BADLY. More than I want any K brand, or anything else. So it's kind of like I went straight to stage 4 or 5. I also feel that UAS may be done for me when I get the MB, as I have a nice variety of styles (low G, High G, Koa, Milo, laminate (beater), Tenor, Concert, Baritone, six string) to keep it interesting. Each Ukulele has a very different sound and has its own niche. Sure, I want a tie-dye Fluke, but I'm not saving up for one or anything. It kind of stays like that for me.

I also have two guitars and a Bass, but they don't count either, only one of the guitars has strings on it, and they are old at that. Hmmm, maybe it's that I never sell anything... :)

that's the weird part of UAS and materialism generally I reckon....It's the lusting / desire part that gets your adrenaline flowing in stage 1 and 2...but once you get 'em it's like...OK well here it is, now what...the rosy hue fades pretty quckly and your lust changes gear or direction and chases something else...hmmm a bit like tiger woods on speed :drool::iwant:

Hippie Dribble
10-28-2010, 12:55 PM
I consider myself an "art" collector. No one says art collectors have issues right? : )

Pueo, I agree about the Moore Bettah. I think that will be the Picaso in my collection and no further collecting will be necessary.

hi Ronnie

like you mate, I think the two are just different pieces of the same puzzle!

mm stan
10-28-2010, 01:28 PM
Aloha Eugene,
Maybe a better excuse would be, I'm buying this one to find and test for the all elusive best sounding ukulele for me, If it doesn't work out I'll just sell it and just buy two more, and if those don't work out as well, I'll buy four more and so forth.. after all, ukuleles can't reproduce just as horses do...or can they???? ever put some in the closet??? he he

Hippie Dribble
10-28-2010, 01:56 PM
Aloha Eugene,
Maybe a better excuse would be, I'm buying this one to find and test for the all elusive best sounding ukulele for me, If it doesn't work out I'll just sell it and just buy two more, and if those don't work out as well, I'll buy four more and so forth.. after all, ukuleles can't reproduce just as horses do...or can they???? ever put some in the closet??? he he

Now you're talking Stan...I think it's time we designed a uke case made for two...kinda like the tennis racquet bags...we could do a little genetic engineering...maybe slip a Kamaka soprano in there next to a Moore Bettah soprano on a chilly winter's evening and see what...um..."comes" of it:)

Hippie Dribble
10-29-2010, 01:26 AM
Now you're talking Stan...I think it's time we designed a uke case made for two...kinda like the tennis racquet bags...we could do a little genetic engineering...maybe slip a Kamaka soprano in there next to a Moore Bettah soprano on a chilly winter's evening and see what...um..."comes" of it:)

answer: a Kamaka with an even moore bettah sound than it used to have :o yuuuuummmmy!!!!!

clayton56
10-29-2010, 07:58 AM
I think it comes down to curiosity, and ukes come in more variations than other instruments. I've been trying ukes of various woods to hear what they're like. I pretty quickly decided to stick with one size, so I don't have THAT problem, but I do like to try different woods.

I may be nearly finished though. I just ordered one that will be made of the last wood combination I was curious about. After that, I may start thinking about a custom with more bling, but that can wait.

Chap
11-04-2010, 05:47 AM
I think the OP has it spot on....Although I've only been playing a couple of months, I've definitely gone through the "Buy everything" phase. I've now determined my favorite designs (Longneck Soprano & Banjo Uke), and plan on culling the thundering herd I've managed to aquire in the process of finding that out.

As for the next stage...well, I just placed an order with Mya-Moe. :P

70sSanO
11-04-2010, 09:58 AM
I was fortunate to go through a little of this with guitars before ukuleles. The good aspect was guitars usually cost more so that can be a deterrent, although I still have a couple cheaper ones that are just sitting there because I got them played them and forgot them.

Now if I decide to collect I want to have some direction. And while some can have 20 Fender Strats, for me I don't see the point.

For me there is a stage where a collection has some meaning and not just 8 koa sopranos, or 5 mahogany concerts that all basically look and sound the same... although if that is what someone wants, go for it.

Since my wife got a concert, and I've been playing it, I may look into a concert size, maybe different woods. But I am really trying to refrain from an impulse buy that ends up sitting in the closet with those other impulse instruments.

John