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tori8984
11-30-2007, 07:26 PM
I have trouble fingering B flat. Right now I just mute the A string. Could someone HABU?

Fred Miu
11-30-2007, 08:01 PM
a B flat should be the first fret of the A and E string with your index finger, the second fret C string with your middle, and the third fret G string with your ring finger. kind of going at a diagonal.

unless your doing the B flat from the 5th fret witch is like doing a G note on the 5th fret with a 7th fret G string with it.

at most i would just say keep practicing. im still working on "im yours" fingering before i even work on the song.

good luck, hope i did some help lol.

rayan
11-30-2007, 08:03 PM
Are you having problems holding down all the strings to get a clean sound? Try rotating your wrist holding the chord to the left a little more. Sometimes that helps.

deadeye
12-01-2007, 03:37 AM
i bar the whole first fret, then middle on c-string, ring finger on g.

i see a lot of people do 1/2 bar with just A and E string...but i find it a lot easier if u bar the whole first fret. and plus then u can slide it up and down much easier!

tori8984
12-01-2007, 04:12 AM
My problem is my index finger will not cover both strings. So I think that I will try working on barring the first fret deal. I have to work at getting my finger muscles to do things they have never done.
I have not tried using movable chords going up the neck yet. I see people on you tube playing songs and try to figure out the chords sometimes. When I see the hand go higher up the neck, I say "dang, movable chord" that is something I need to work on too.

Thanks for the advice.

Aldrine Guerrero
12-01-2007, 01:55 PM
Hmm.. that was a problem I had when I first started as well. It just took practice and slowly progressing. Try just concentrating on the A and E strings for now and worry about the others later. Try pressing the A, and E with your pointer finger. Then once you're comfortable enough on this, add another finger. Try the A,E, and C. Add that middle finger and making sure not to touch the others and it just hovers over the rest and only presses the C string (run on sentence lol)

So instead of taking everything on at one time, you can set a pace for yourself and take on things one step at a time.

Pace yourself. As my former band director always said "Perfect practice makes perfect"

tori8984
12-22-2007, 05:23 PM
I have been looking at videos and I see that I have to move my thumb around to the back of the neck to be able to hit that chord. It helps to be able to see people playing. The lessons on Iamhawaii.com are also very helpfull.

Thank you

Thumper
06-28-2009, 05:24 AM
There. I feel much better having gotten that off my chest.

Carry on. Nothing to see here. Just a frustrated newbie facing a song with about a zillion B flats in it. :wallbash:

ichadwick
06-28-2009, 05:55 AM
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Thumper
06-28-2009, 06:07 AM
Ah, so I should drink more. Excellent advice - I'll get right on that!

Oh, and it seems like there was one other thing you suggested that I do, but I've forgotten what it was. I'm sure it will come back to me after a little more wine... :D

Ukulele JJ
06-28-2009, 07:08 AM
9 times out of 10, I just play the Bb as a Bb(add2). That is, as a 3213. Easier to play, and sounds "hipper". I guess it is cheating though. ;)

Heck, if you're in the key of F, you can play your F with that "C" note on top too (2013), then just keep it there for your Bb and C chords (and maybe even your Dm if you play it as a Dm7).

JJ

Lanark
07-03-2009, 03:48 AM
Are you having problems holding down all the strings to get a clean sound? Try rotating your wrist holding the chord to the left a little more. Sometimes that helps.

Roy Sakuma brought that up in the beginner dvd that my lovely wife got for herself and it made a big difference for her in a way I could never explain.

Witters
07-08-2009, 01:06 AM
I detest the chord.
I don't bother much with it now and if its in something I want to play I use another chord simply because I cant get a clean sound no matter how I practice - and its not only this chord either that I have problems with.
Perhaps I'm a slow learner or it simply will take me far longer to grasp it than most, but whatever the reason I got tired of being slowed down in learning something with this chord in it that I couldn't do.

I take the easy way out and that upsets a few players but not me.

cpatch
07-08-2009, 05:28 AM
In general I try to avoid chords whose names sound like bad advice. Bb, Bdim, Bm, and especially Cm.

uke552
07-08-2009, 05:37 AM
In general I try to avoid chords whose names sound like bad advice. Bb, Bdim, Bm, and especially Cm.


haha...I'm gonna remember that!:bowdown:

ihavenotea
07-08-2009, 07:11 AM
Are you having problems holding down all the strings to get a clean sound? Try rotating your wrist holding the chord to the left a little more. Sometimes that helps.

That helped me out. I figured it out while working through the Doctor Uke (http://www.doctoruke.com/theory.html) key exercises. I highly reccomend working though those… just a little at a time, but work through them.

They will get you working on things you can easily avoid when you just pick songs that interest you. The exercises will help you learn a very full compliment of chords and very common progressions.

I still struggle with many of the keys but those exercises have really helped me grow. Bb and B used to be my nemesises. Now I can usually nail either of them (figuring out that rotation trick was the key; it is the only way I found to move quickly between Bb and F or Dm).

Here are the exercises to start with:

Amazing Grace (http://www.doctoruke.com/amazinggracemultikey.pdf) in all keys
Five Foot Two (http://www.doctoruke.com/fivefoottwomultikey.pdf) in all keys (via circle of fifths)
Approach to Learning Basic Chord (http://www.doctoruke.com/basicchords.pdf)s (less fun than the other two, but useful for picking up on the patterns that exist in chord fingering and learning where the root of each chord is)


Take it slow and don't expect to be able to just peel through those exercises in the short term. They are the type of thing you keep coming back to, getting a little further each time. But in the end you will be able to master all the important progressions in all keys… very useful, even if you do stick with easy to play keys for the most part.

Another thing I have observed is that I start as I relax a little and speed up my chord changes my fingers tend to find more comfortable positions to hold down all the required strings without hitting others accidently… it is that practice thing (though I have yet to find any way to finger Fm7 and its associates that isn't uncomfortable and unnatainable at speed).

Thumper
07-08-2009, 04:32 PM
I had a minor breakthrough with this chord (3211) tonight. Instead of trying to hold down the E and A strings with the tip of my pointer finger, I barred the entire first fret, using the fleshy part of my pointer finger to hold down those strings, with the tip of my pointer extended past the edge of the neck. Suddenly it was MUCH easier to finger the G and C strings with my ring and middle finger.

Here's a photo that might clarify what I'm trying to say:

http://www.whatilikeaboutuke.com/b-flat.jpg

I had tried barring before, but not extending my finger like that; instead I was covering the G string with the tip of my pointer finger. For some reason, moving my pointer finger up and past the edge of the neck made all the difference in the world!

This is pretty easy on a tenor, a little harder on a concert neck, and kinda tricky on a soprano, particularly if your fingers are thick. But it's still a major improvement for me - hope this helps you, too!

Witters
07-09-2009, 12:10 AM
I suppose if we all had classic Guitar teachers we would be able through practice and right technique to be able to nail any chord in time, and that would obviously help in overall playing technique as well.
I mean how many of us actually play the Uke correctly - where you keep your thumb behind the neck for instance and not in sight?

There are other chords I have found now that are far more out the reach of a B or Bb - some where I need 7 or 8 fingers:)…anyone who can nail all these chords and move about silky smooth up and down the neck with ease I take my hat off to you.

There is no such word as cant so I’m not saying I cant do the same with time and practice, but the Uke is about fun for a lot of us, and I say if you cant do any chord, change the thing - you can always keep trying to nail it if you want while you watch TV.:D

bicarbon8
07-13-2009, 05:56 AM
I had a minor breakthrough with this chord (3211) tonight. Instead of trying to hold down the E and A strings with the tip of my pointer finger, I barred the entire first fret, using the fleshy part of my pointer finger to hold down those strings, with the tip of my pointer extended past the edge of the neck. Suddenly it was MUCH easier to finger the G and C strings with my ring and middle finger.

Here's a photo that might clarify what I'm trying to say:

http://www.whatilikeaboutuke.com/b-flat.jpg

I had tried barring before, but not extending my finger like that; instead I was covering the G string with the tip of my pointer finger. For some reason, moving my pointer finger up and past the edge of the neck made all the difference in the world!

This is pretty easy on a tenor, a little harder on a concert neck, and kinda tricky on a soprano, particularly if your fingers are thick. But it's still a major improvement for me - hope this helps you, too!glad you figured this out because I was thinking "I love the Bb chord, it's so easy to play" but looking at how I bar the first fret it looks like my index finger hangs out over the top too... Now try the barred D (2225), E (4447), C (5433), and G (4232)... really fun to use bar chords because you can slide up and down the neck!

a-20
06-21-2011, 04:54 PM
This topic was just was I was looking for. I'm a violinist making the jump, and it's much harder to play a fretted instrument than I first expected. Thanks for the picture. My Bb sounds perfect now! :)

uke4ia
06-21-2011, 05:38 PM
i see a lot of people do 1/2 bar with just A and E string

I guess this is what I've always done. I fret the A and E strings with my index finger, but with the pad or side of my finger, not the point! It's not hard this way, but it does require turning your wrist a little.

mellowonetwo
09-21-2012, 01:52 PM
I fret the A and E strings with my index finger, sometimes my pointer finger is on top of it or just hanging out there in mid air, my middle is on the C and my pinky,frets the G. I try to use the pinky as much as possible, like C most of the time, and Em coming from a G just drop the pinky down on the 4th fret C string.

Mel

Newportlocal
09-21-2012, 02:13 PM
Still working on this myself. It will look good, but sometimes I will pick the strings separately to see if all sections of the chord sound clear. This helps me make adjustments.

HowardTheCow
07-12-2013, 09:49 AM
Are you having problems holding down all the strings to get a clean sound? Try rotating your wrist holding the chord to the left a little more. Sometimes that helps.

Great advice, thanks!
Works perfectly for me

addicted2myuke
07-12-2013, 11:05 AM
I've given up on the Bb. I don't bother to fret the G string. I know it's wrong but noone notices when I eliminate the G string.

Rick Turner
07-12-2013, 11:14 AM
If you learn to barre the chord, it will open up a whole world of possibilities...lift one finger, and you've got a Bbm (minor) put it back and lift another, and you've got Bb7. Play the Bb barred and put down your little finger for a Bb6 or Bb7 (using the second string) or a Bb+9 (little finger on the first string..you'll figure out where!). Lift a finger off the 4th string for your Bb7 and put your little finger down on the first (OK...3rd fret...) and you've now got a Bb9. And you've just left that index finger alone barring all the strings at the first fret. Now move up a fret...B...and another...C...etc. Get comfy with all of those variations on chords working out of that "A" formation.

Getting away from always depending on open strings will really liberate you as a player. There are good reasons to use open strings...sometimes...but using them because you can't play past first position is just not advancing as a player.

peewee
07-12-2013, 12:55 PM
If you learn to barre the chord, it will open up a whole world of possibilities...lift one finger, and you've got a Bbm (minor) put it back and lift another, and you've got Bb7. Play the Bb barred and put down your little finger for a Bb6 or Bb7 (using the second string) or a Bb+9 (little finger on the first string..you'll figure out where!). Lift a finger off the 4th string for your Bb7 and put your little finger down on the first (OK...3rd fret...) and you've now got a Bb9. And you've just left that index finger alone barring all the strings at the first fret. Now move up a fret...B...and another...C...etc. Get comfy with all of those variations on chords working out of that "A" formation.

Getting away from always depending on open strings will really liberate you as a player. There are good reasons to use open strings...sometimes...but using them because you can't play past first position is just not advancing as a player.

:agree: Movable chord shapes are key to the next level, and are totally worth the work. The Bb shape, the Bm shape, the G shape, the B7,the F7 shape, the E shape...those will open up whole new vistas, and allow you to play the same thing in several different ways.
Also, movable (Barre) chord shapes are critical for proper "chunking" which allows you a whole new rhythmic world as well.

I am not fully there, but I can make most of the shapes, I'm just slowed down by the mathematics of it at times...

Sokolow's Fretboard Roadmaps:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1423400410?ie=UTF8&tag=ukulele0c-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1423400410

peewee
07-12-2013, 12:57 PM
I've given up on the Bb. I don't bother to fret the G string. I know it's wrong but noone notices when I eliminate the G string.

Because that note is doubling the A string..

Higgy
08-18-2013, 11:30 AM
I detest the chord.
I don't bother much with it now and if its in something I want to play I use another chord simply because I cant get a clean sound no matter how I practice - and its not only this chord either that I have problems with.
Perhaps I'm a slow learner or it simply will take me far longer to grasp it than most, but whatever the reason I got tired of being slowed down in learning something with this chord in it that I couldn't do.

I take the easy way out and that upsets a few players but not me.

Witters - I am a beginner and with my old short fat fingers am never going to be able to do it the proper way. However I find that folding over my forefinger and barring 1st and 2nd frets with the back of my finger makes it totally easy peasy! Give it a go. I do roll my finger slightly towards the head to make it comfortable but it is now clear as a bell!! - Higgy

wallyboy
08-19-2013, 08:04 AM
how i dealt with this chord was to run off a song you like with Bb in it,
and use it as practice, along with the other songs you are learning,
if you keep at it you will crack the chord and it will be so worthwhile

redpaul1
08-22-2013, 03:04 PM
how i dealt with this chord was to run off a song you like with Bb in it,
and use it as practice, along with the other songs you are learning,
if you keep at it you will crack the chord and it will be so worthwhile
:agree:
Top tip, wallyboy!

Peterjens
10-03-2013, 10:39 PM
I found this article helpful -

http://www.ukuleleyes.com/issues/vol7/no3/pedagogy-corner.htm

teruterubouzu
10-04-2013, 02:38 AM
Me too. Bb is still my enemy. Reading this thread is like a pep talk to me I will eventually get it if I keep trying.

sugengshi
10-04-2013, 03:43 AM
I am lucky. Coming from guitar background Bb is quite easy to master as it is easier to press compared to F chord in guitar. :-)

prooftheory
10-04-2013, 04:23 AM
Do people find Bb appreciably harder than F# or C#? Why do people keep mentioning Bb as a hard one? Does it just come up more?

teruterubouzu
10-04-2013, 08:54 AM
Do people find Bb appreciably harder than F# or C#? Why do people keep mentioning Bb as a hard one? Does it just come up more?

I don't recall stumbling onto either of those chords, but I run into Bb a lot. Your theory is probably correct.

Ramart
05-06-2014, 08:51 AM
I had the OP's problem until I read it was perfectly OK to fret the E and A strings with separate fingers. I play Bb with my index finger on A and middle finger on E (1st frets), ring finger on C 2nd fret, and pinkie on G 3rd fret. Same fingering for B, C#, etc.

That's probably difficult or impossible on a soprano (depending on the size of one's hands) but I play a tenor (more spacious).

For me, at least, it's too difficult to cleanly barre two strings with one finger.

Phluffy the Destroyer
05-07-2014, 08:15 PM
9 times out of 10, I just play the Bb as a Bb(add2). That is, as a 3213. Easier to play, and sounds "hipper". I guess it is cheating though. ;)

Heck, if you're in the key of F, you can play your F with that "C" note on top too (2013), then just keep it there for your Bb and C chords (and maybe even your Dm if you play it as a Dm7).

JJ

My cheat sheet... Not "mine" mine, just the one I use.

66634

Some of these have come in handy from time to time though and can be almost indistinguishable from a proper Bb if you don't have long runs of the same chord. I make it a point not to let there be...

ukantor
05-08-2014, 12:47 AM
Thumb position is the key to playing Bb cleanly and easily. The pad of the thumb should be on the back of the neck. Resting the neck in the fork between thumb and index finger is OK for some chords, but makes life very difficult for others.

OldePhart
05-08-2014, 01:59 AM
Do people find Bb appreciably harder than F# or C#? Why do people keep mentioning Bb as a hard one? Does it just come up more?

I think two things come into play. One...it is you're right, those other chords don't come up often. The other is that the Bb is right next to the nut. That means if your ukulele is not set up well it takes a fair amount of strength to fret it as a barre (and may sound like poop, as well, because of poor intonation from the high nut). And, if you're not playing it as a barre, the position at the top of the nut doesn't leave much room for hand gymnastics without running into the tuners and head stock.

Playing a Bb with an index finger barre all the way across all the strings at the first fret, on a well set up uke, is actually not difficult at all.

John