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rayan
04-22-2011, 06:20 PM
We've been informed by some folks in the forum that there has allegedly been one or more people who were nominated for an Undie Award that have gamed the system to alter the outcomes of the voting; ie. Cheating.

The whole idea of the Undie Awards and why we leave the voting open to the public is because this is supposed to be the awards for the ukulele community. Theoretically, if you win an Undie, you should feel great as your video has been chosen not by some exclusive voting body but your peers, your fellow UUers who took the time to watch your video and deem it the best for the category nominated.

Before I go any further I should clarify my definition of cheating in the Undies. Cheating is taking action above and beyond what is considered reasonable to change the results of the voting. It's kind of vague so perhaps some examples would be helpful

Not Cheating: Asking your friends to vote for your video.
Cheating: voting for your video over and over until you single handedly change the outcome (to do this you would have to do some IP resetting or other shenanigans because we limited voting to 1 per IP which is why it is above and beyond reasonable).

We'll be looking into it but to be honest, this is probably one of the most disappointing things I have ever heard come out of the boards. If you have cheated and are going to win an award tomorrow, I cannot see how you can be happy, congratulations you've defeated the WHOLE POINT of the Undie Awards by preventing your peers from having their voices heard. Your award is an empty as you have not earned it.

I guess we will be discussing the future of the Undies and anyone who can be identified as having cheated. Who knows maybe this is the last one we do, if not this person(s) shall at least be disqualified for any other awards in the future and may possibly be banned from the forum altogether. We put a lot of time, energy and money into these awards and for this kind of stuff to happen its pretty much a slap to the face saying we are wasting our time.


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UKISOCIETY
04-22-2011, 06:38 PM
As a recurring defeated nominee for an Undie Award every year, may I just say to the cheaters:
http://bigmamacass.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/picture-6.jpg?w=320&h=240

ukuloonie
04-22-2011, 06:39 PM
I second that

UKISOCIETY
04-22-2011, 06:39 PM
Also:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5209/5343980438_1bc10b03a6.jpg

Hippie Dribble
04-22-2011, 06:52 PM
Incredibly disappointing to hear of this. I would have thought the honour of being nominated was reward enough in and of itself. The ukulele is a beautiful instrument because of its inclusive, humble nature. These acts go directly against the grain of what it means to be a part of this community and all it values.

Another problem with this issue is that doubt is cast over everyone who has been nominated. So there is in a sense a kind of default guilt by association. In my opinion, which may be harsh, the perpetrator(s) of the cheating should be publicly named and disqualified automatically, to protect not only the integrity of the awards , but the honesty and integrity of the other nominees.

pithaya9
04-22-2011, 07:01 PM
It's sad that people stoop this low to win an award.

SuzukHammer
04-22-2011, 08:00 PM
I would have loved to have a reason to cheat.

Kalihonu
04-22-2011, 08:34 PM
Very unfortunate if the allegations are true. Hope the Undie Awrads will continue in the future.

docryf
04-22-2011, 10:31 PM
I won't go into the technicalities but, up until a while ago, I took part in a postal competition for RC model glider thermal soaring in the UK.
Although the flights needed to be witnessed it was easy to cheat so why bother running such a contest?

1) If you cheat then you are cheating yourself.

2) Sooner or later you will get found out.

3) accept the fact, if you need to cheat then you're really not that good.


Although I've not taken part yet, I hope the awards carry on 'cos I can see it's greatfun for the majority.

mangorockfish
04-22-2011, 10:45 PM
Incredibly disappointing to hear of this. I would have thought the honour of being nominated was reward enough in and of itself. The ukulele is a beautiful instrument because of its inclusive, humble nature. These acts go directly against the grain of what it means to be a part of this community and all it values.

Another problem with this issue is that doubt is cast over everyone who has been nominated. So there is in a sense a kind of default guilt by association. In my opinion, which may be harsh, the perpetrator(s) of the cheating should be publicly named and disqualified automatically, to protect not only the integrity of the awards , but the honesty and integrity of the other nominees.Right on!!! Name those POS in public. How sorry is that of them to do some low-life stuff like that. I say ban them from the forum also. Name 'em and ban 'em!

dkcrown
04-23-2011, 01:51 AM
Wow. I don't know what to say. Is winning an Undie so important that one would soil their character to do it? I guess if you even would consider doing it (cheating) in the first place, it says what kind of character you have to begin with.

I would propose giving those involved the opportunity to fess up ahead of time and right a wrong. No questions asked and appology accepted. We all make mistakes.

rem50
04-23-2011, 02:33 AM
for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, sound familiar? Cheaters should remember that before they act.

UKISOCIETY
04-23-2011, 03:19 AM
Perhaps a solution to this for next year is that UU members nominate the videos, then let the UU staff pick the winners. In other words, skip the finalists list altogether. It would give the UU staff more work, unless they form a committee of trusted UU members to do the picking.

so:

1) have a nomination period of 2 weeks.
2) UU members post their nominations in designated threads
3) close the threads
4) have the awards committee choose the video for awards.
5) partyin' partyin'

Mim
04-23-2011, 03:21 AM
Perhaps a solution to this for next year is that UU members nominate the videos, then let the UU staff pick the winners. In other words, skip the finalists list altogether. It would give the UU staff more work, unless they form a committee of trusted UU members to do the picking.

so:

1) have a nomination period of 2 weeks.
2) UU members post their nominations in designated threads
3) close the threads
4) have the awards committee choose the video for awards.
5) partyin' partyin'

I like #5 the best!!!

ukeshale
04-23-2011, 03:32 AM
Perhaps a solution to this for next year is that UU members nominate the videos, then let the UU staff pick the winners. In other words, skip the finalists list altogether. It would give the UU staff more work, unless they form a committee of trusted UU members to do the picking.

so:

1) have a nomination period of 2 weeks.
2) UU members post their nominations in designated threads
3) close the threads
4) have the awards committee choose the video for awards.
5) partyin' partyin'


This is an excellent idea. I don't want The Undies to disappear entirely. It's a shame that this year's awards have been dirtied in such a way. I know that certain people were immensely proud to just be nominated - that should be enough for anyone.

didgeridoo2
04-23-2011, 04:25 AM
I know for a fact that thejumpingflea cheated when he won because that dude doesn't have a lick of talent.

philpot
04-23-2011, 05:22 AM
Thats pretty sad when someone feels the need to cheat their way to the top in a friendly awards contest. You were nominated for heavens sake, let that be reward enough! Suck it up, be a man/woman and do better next year! Geez people!!

uke5417
04-23-2011, 06:11 AM
Is it OK to ask friends to vote for you in a talent contest?

Ronnie Aloha
04-23-2011, 06:14 AM
Why don't we just close the voting to UU members? That way we have the membership names to reference instead of anonymous IP addresses?

hoosierhiver
04-23-2011, 07:25 AM
Perhaps a solution to this for next year is that UU members nominate the videos, then let the UU staff pick the winners. In other words, skip the finalists list altogether. It would give the UU staff more work, unless they form a committee of trusted UU members to do the picking.

so:

1) have a nomination period of 2 weeks.
2) UU members post their nominations in designated threads
3) close the threads
4) have the awards committee choose the video for awards.
5) partyin' partyin'

Good ideas, maybe a panel of 20 or so well known UU members could help with the voting. Cereal

rayan
04-23-2011, 08:35 AM
Perhaps a solution to this for next year is that UU members nominate the videos, then let the UU staff pick the winners. In other words, skip the finalists list altogether. It would give the UU staff more work, unless they form a committee of trusted UU members to do the picking.

so:

1) have a nomination period of 2 weeks.
2) UU members post their nominations in designated threads
3) close the threads
4) have the awards committee choose the video for awards.
5) partyin' partyin'

It's a good idea but kind of takes the voting power away from the community which was the whole idea of the Undies. We have an award in Hawaii called the Na Hokuhanohano awards which are basically Hawaii's grammys and they have a voting panel. It becomes all politics and most people who vote don't even listen to all the albums. The same people just keep winning every year because its a good ole boys network and that is not what the Undies are about. The Undies are supposed to be a celebration amongst friends from all over the world who all share a love for a common instrument.

The good thing is we'll have at least a year to figure out how to future Undies Awards.

AnnaUK
04-23-2011, 09:14 AM
This is such a shame.

Is it possible to keep the one vote per ISP thing, but hide the bar charts and total votes? I suspect it's much harder to affect the outcome if you don't know how many "fake" votes you need to cast.

For myself, I was very honoured to be nominated, that's enough for me. It's great just being mentioned with some very talented people.

Thank you to the UU bods for all the work that goes into this :)

Anna

UKISOCIETY
04-23-2011, 09:25 AM
Why don't we just close the voting to UU members? That way we have the membership names to reference instead of anonymous IP addresses?

This is a great idea. If people want to vote, they have to register as a member.

OldePhart
04-23-2011, 02:14 PM
Vote early, vote often! Sounds kind of like Chicago politics.

Open letter to anyone who cheated at the undies or most anything else:

I never have understood people who would cheat at anything, but those who will cheat to win something of nominal real value baffle me above all. Is your integrity worth less than a plaque or trophy?! Do you feel better about yourself because you know how to spoof IP addresses or program a 'bot? (BTW, you shouldn't feel to proud of yourself over that - many of us have the knowledge but are too honest to use it - it's kind of like the old saw about a gentleman being someone who knows how to play accordian but refrains.)

Anyway, are you so desparate for the acclaim of others that you'll vote for yourself over and over to make it look like people give a rat's patootie about you? If so I suppose it speaks volumes about your parents but in the end we are each responsible for our own actions - many people, some would say most, have risen above the circumstances of their birth or upbringing to be well-adjusted, honest folk who wouldn't cheapen themselves as you have. Enjoy your hollow victory - each time you look at the undie may you remember exactly how you came by it - I can only rejoice that I don't have to live your sad little life.

Okay, for the rest of us...

Rayan, if you'd to restrict the voting to members and ensure one-person, one-vote for next year I can program something that will interface with your BB software for user identification and ensure fair voting next year. Well, ensure within reason, you'll still have to watch for people creating straw accounts - though we can probably do something in software even about that.

John

philpot
04-23-2011, 02:16 PM
Rayan, if you'd to restrict the voting to members and ensure one-person, one-vote for next year I can program something that will interface with your BB software for user identification and ensure fair voting next year. Well, ensure within reason, you'll still have to watch for people creating straw accounts - though we can probably do something in software even about that.

John

Minimum post count? By the time someone reaches ~50-100 posts its easy to tell whether they genuinely want to be a part of the community or are just pumping out spam for post count sake...

salukulady
04-23-2011, 02:24 PM
Well stated, John. My heart goes out to those that won honestly......I know one recipient that feels that he might appear guilty just by association by the the rest of the community. That is a shame. Congratulations to all that participated honestly. You deserve it and should be proud.

wolfybau
04-23-2011, 02:32 PM
wow this is surprising.

are these just allegations at this point or is there evidence of an unusual level of votes suggesting foul play?

itsme
04-23-2011, 03:03 PM
Well put, John! :)


Rayan, if you'd to restrict the voting to members and ensure one-person, one-vote for next year I can program something that will interface with your BB software for user identification and ensure fair voting next year. Well, ensure within reason, you'll still have to watch for people creating straw accounts - though we can probably do something in software even about that.
I admin a vBull forum where we recently added a filter that detects multiple account logins by cookie tracking. It works even when they're using proxies to get around IP duplication. If anyone here is interested, I can find out what it's called and where to get it. I'm pretty sure it's just some third-party vB plug-in that doesn't require any special extra programming.

molokinirum
04-23-2011, 03:18 PM
It's sad that people stoop this low to win an award.

I agree!!!

YogaJen
04-23-2011, 04:39 PM
wow this is surprising.

are these just allegations at this point or is there evidence of an unusual level of votes suggesting foul play?

That's a very good question. I reckon it's really important to know if it's just rumours & allegations, or if there is concrete evidence. If it turns out to be true, then it's truly sad - for all those involved, organisers, nominees and winners, and for us who voted because we took the time to view videos and make choices that then didn't really count. Everyone with all their good work, energy spent and efforts made negatively impacted by a lack of fair play.
At the same time, humans will be humans, with all their strengths and weaknesses, and sometimes humans make mistakes which they come to deeply regret later. The situation has at least shed light on the potential for the current system to become corrupted in this way, and if this serves to spark discussion and bring about changes that will secure things for next time, then perhaps all is not lost. This is not to diminish people's feelings of upset and dismay - what was so wonderful seems now to be tarnished. I know - I'm looking for the silver lining - that's what I do.

rayan
04-23-2011, 04:51 PM
It is more than just rumors and allegations.

mendel
04-23-2011, 04:52 PM
Although I post a lot, I still consider myself new to the forum. I do not know what these awards are, but I know about competing and winning. If someone cheats, they are dishonest, lack honor and I tegrity, and most of all- are bad people. Personally I do not want to be on a forum with them. Please tell us who they are and let's get them gone. This forum is my little island of solace and hope in an incredibly bleak world.

olgoat52
04-23-2011, 05:04 PM
It's a good idea but kind of takes the voting power away from the community which was the whole idea of the Undies. We have an award in Hawaii called the Na Hokuhanohano awards which are basically Hawaii's grammys and they have a voting panel. It becomes all politics and most people who vote don't even listen to all the albums. The same people just keep winning every year because its a good ole boys network and that is not what the Undies are about. The Undies are supposed to be a celebration amongst friends from all over the world who all share a love for a common instrument.

The good thing is we'll have at least a year to figure out how to future Undies Awards.

As a Chicagoan, having a smaller group of people to bribe would certainly be more efficient and likely less expensive. So I am all for it.. ;)

itsme
04-23-2011, 05:12 PM
It is more than just rumors and allegations.
So, did you disqualify the cheater and let them know why?

Personally, I think if you found any evidence of cheating, they should be perma-banned from ever being allowed in the Undies again. And probably perma-banned from UU, too.

That's just not the spirit here. This is such a wonderful, supportive community of people who share a common interest. Cheaters are no more welcome than porn spammers. :mad:

YogaJen
04-23-2011, 05:15 PM
It is more than just rumors and allegations.

Thanks very much for clarifying the situation Rayan. I guess as in the case with the bigger world picture, when folks break the rules, there are consequences, and that's I guess the next step, after coming to terms with the dismay. I'm really sad for the pain that this must be putting folks through. It really is a dark cloud over such a totally joyful thing like sharing the love of music and ukulele, and the incredible friendship circle, the community that has built around it. So many issues that need to be worked through. Loss of trust and feelings of betrayal are not easy to handle.

experimentjon
04-23-2011, 05:39 PM
Sorry to hear it, Ryan. I know you guys put a lot of effort into the show and putting this whole thing together. It's sort of a shame that there was cheating, and very disappointing to see that in the ukulele community. But hopefully, you can figure out a way to fix it for next year to avoid dishonesty again.

earljam
04-23-2011, 05:42 PM
It is more than just rumors and allegations.

If so then you should consider posting name, in my newbie opinion. As much for those that played fair as for those that didn't.

Rzr
04-23-2011, 05:44 PM
Sorry to hear about this. I was out today and had to miss the awards. Hope we can figure out something so that the awards can continue.

dirk.li
04-23-2011, 05:55 PM
I've noticed that some peepz develop a kind of abnormal ambition when it comes to the undie awards. The whole awards business is not my idea of aloha and what the uke stands for, so I decided to stay away from it.
Guys, don't you see enough competition, struggling and cheating in your daily life that you have to carry on with it in here? Apart from this I also find it disturbing to always find some of "the usual suspects" of the forum among the winners. Being popular is one thing, but "engineering" your popularity is so sick!

Hippie Dribble
04-23-2011, 06:00 PM
Actions have consequences. As I stated in an earlier post, public humiliation is the necessary course of action here. It is just another step of the learning process. This does not preclude forgiveness but these people or persons must be taught a lesson. Without a public revelation of the culprits a shadow hangs over everyone which is grossly unfair. There certainly seems to be a widespread call for such action if the responses here are anything to go by.

deach
04-23-2011, 06:44 PM
Cheaters suck.

Wanna know what else sucks? The mob mentality many members of this forum have been displaying lately sucks. It wasn't too long ago there was a thread on here where someone got a not-so-nice comment on their video. Many people here were quick to play internet detective and find the commenter's Facebook account. Rather than let a stupid comment slide, they wanted to harass a guy for voicing his opinion on a video on display to everyone.

So now the bandwagon is full of people who want to out the cheater. Seriously? What is this going to accomplish? Is UU going to strip the award away? Will the other people in the category feel better? Does anyone really make videos with the intent to win an Undie?

Playing the uke used to be fun, laid back, non-competitive, drama-free.

Nice aloha spirit UU. Jake was wrong. Better place, yeah right.

hoosierhiver
04-23-2011, 06:51 PM
You guys might remember a recent thread where I vented about someone taking advantage of me/my busines. That thread turned into a bigger deal than I wanted it to be and several people wanted me to "out" the offender. The thing is, calling somebody out in front of a community of say 1000 or so people is probably pretty crushing for the offender even if he/she deserves it. I know that Rayan and the UU guys are super nice people and crushing someone doesn't come easy for nice folks, so let's leave it up to them as to what to do about it and stop demanding a hanging. We are all their guests here afterall.

austin1
04-23-2011, 07:20 PM
Cheaters suck.

Wanna know what else sucks? The mob mentality many members of this forum have been displaying lately sucks. It wasn't too long ago there was a thread on here where someone got a not-so-nice comment on their video. Many people here were quick to play internet detective and find the commenter's Facebook account. Rather than let a stupid comment slide, they wanted to harass a guy for voicing his opinion on a video on display to everyone.

So now the bandwagon is full of people who want to out the cheater. Seriously? What is this going to accomplish? Is UU going to strip the award away? Will the other people in the category feel better? Does anyone really make videos with the intent to win an Undie?

Playing the uke used to be fun, laid back, non-competitive, drama-free.

Nice aloha spirit UU. Jake was wrong. Better place, yeah right.

Amen to that.

thatukuleleguy
04-23-2011, 07:35 PM
So now the bandwagon is full of people who want to out the cheater. Seriously? What is this going to accomplish? Is UU going to strip the award away? Will the other people in the category feel better? Does anyone really make videos with the intent to win an Undie?

It might serve as a deterrent. If you can make an example of the offender, you may be able to nip the problem in the bud. That being said, I agree with the general sentiment of your statement. Making the name of the cheater public is not necessary and banning them from the forum is not in the aloha spirit.

haolejohn
04-23-2011, 07:47 PM
Cheaters suck.

Wanna know what else sucks? The mob mentality many members of this forum have been displaying lately sucks. It wasn't too long ago there was a thread on here where someone got a not-so-nice comment on their video. Many people here were quick to play internet detective and find the commenter's Facebook account. Rather than let a stupid comment slide, they wanted to harass a guy for voicing his opinion on a video on display to everyone.

So now the bandwagon is full of people who want to out the cheater. Seriously? What is this going to accomplish? Is UU going to strip the award away? Will the other people in the category feel better? Does anyone really make videos with the intent to win an Undie?

Playing the uke used to be fun, laid back, non-competitive, drama-free.

Nice aloha spirit UU. Jake was wrong. Better place, yeah right.

Deach, it has changed a lot here. It is sad sometimes.

Hippie Dribble
04-23-2011, 08:18 PM
Cheaters suck.

Wanna know what else sucks? The mob mentality many members of this forum have been displaying lately sucks. It wasn't too long ago there was a thread on here where someone got a not-so-nice comment on their video. Many people here were quick to play internet detective and find the commenter's Facebook account. Rather than let a stupid comment slide, they wanted to harass a guy for voicing his opinion on a video on display to everyone.

So now the bandwagon is full of people who want to out the cheater. Seriously? What is this going to accomplish? Is UU going to strip the award away? Will the other people in the category feel better? Does anyone really make videos with the intent to win an Undie?

Playing the uke used to be fun, laid back, non-competitive, drama-free.

Nice aloha spirit UU. Jake was wrong. Better place, yeah right.

publicly naming the cheater would remove the shadow of guilt that hangs over everyone now. This is not mob mentality or any bandwagon, just simple ethics. Because no-one knows who has done this, there is a sense of guilt by association which , by default, casts aspersions over everyone nominated. That is unfair. To not name the perpetrators makes about as much sense to me as political correctness.

YogaJen
04-23-2011, 08:22 PM
The thing is, calling somebody out in front of a community of say 1000 or so people is probably pretty crushing for the offender even if he/she deserves it. I know that Rayan and the UU guys are super nice people and crushing someone doesn't come easy for nice folks, so let's leave it up to them as to what to do about it and stop demanding a hanging. We are all their guests here afterall.

I'm very much with you on that. Someone has (or someones have) made an error in judgement, succombed to a weaker side of their being. But as they say, two wrongs don't make a right. I'm with leaving it in the capable hands of the folks at UU, and meanwhile, getting on with taking what ever positive steps we can to help rebuild the aloha spirit.

mendel
04-23-2011, 08:35 PM
My comments were not meant to instill a mob mentality. People here are incredibly giving and generous. People do business here and make a living on this board. They should not have to risk losing out to those with low integrity. If you want to forgive and forget it's cool. I have a long way to go with my own spirit of ukulele.

rayan
04-23-2011, 08:38 PM
Cheaters suck.

Wanna know what else sucks? The mob mentality many members of this forum have been displaying lately sucks. It wasn't too long ago there was a thread on here where someone got a not-so-nice comment on their video. Many people here were quick to play internet detective and find the commenter's Facebook account. Rather than let a stupid comment slide, they wanted to harass a guy for voicing his opinion on a video on display to everyone.

So now the bandwagon is full of people who want to out the cheater. Seriously? What is this going to accomplish? Is UU going to strip the award away? Will the other people in the category feel better? Does anyone really make videos with the intent to win an Undie?

Playing the uke used to be fun, laid back, non-competitive, drama-free.

Nice aloha spirit UU. Jake was wrong. Better place, yeah right.

this. The whole point of the thread was to remind people what the Undies are really about.

pulelehua
04-24-2011, 05:00 AM
Vengeance is ugly.

I think this community can handle cheaters. It's sad, but it's hardly the end of the world. Outing people, kicking people out of UU, taking awards away, is going to do infinitely more to ruin the atmosphere of this forum than any small group of lonely, misguided people trying to get their little share of internet-based fame.

Could I just say to the moderators: if you feel the need to deal with this, please do so privately. Please don't tell us what's happened. Please don't humiliate anyone publicly who has already humiliated themselves enough privately.

I don't use my pointer finger for pointing. I use it for strumming. :)

Dougf
04-24-2011, 05:07 AM
It is unfortunate, but as far as any of us knows, these are just ALLEGATIONS. The UU staff may have more information, but unless we know all the facts, we should presume the innocence of all the winners.

GreatGazukes
04-24-2011, 05:09 AM
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joep
04-24-2011, 05:42 AM
Being new here I'm not sure if I have a say in this but, I think that the people that know who the cheaters are let the cheaters know that they ain't that good and deal with them then we can move on. I mean I don't have to know.

Kanaka916
04-24-2011, 05:48 AM
It is unfortunate, but as far as any of us knows, these are just ALLEGATIONS. The UU staff may have more information, but unless we know all the facts, we should presume the innocence of all the winners.

Apparently, you missed this post by Ryan . . .

It is more than just rumors and allegations.

Dougf
04-24-2011, 06:03 AM
Apparently, you missed this post by Ryan . . .

Ooops, sorry. :o. But could it have been an over-zealous fan, and not the nominee? I think it is unfortunate that the pall of suspicion has now been cast on all the winners.

Lori
04-24-2011, 07:35 AM
Sorry you guys are having such troubles, but it does indicate how important UU and the Indies are to some people. You should be proud it's reputation for recognizing good videos and performances. I feel sorry for whoever might have lost their senses over it. But I would tend to forgive, and not want to humiliate, but quietly ban from future competitions. You never know what the details might be... somebody might have done the cheating for a friend without their knowledge (as a surprise).
–Lori

Ingrate
04-24-2011, 08:16 AM
I haven't entered nor voted in the undies, primarily 'cause I ain't there, yet, skills-wise.

I'm just surprised that anyone finds this cheating unexpected. It's human beings, folks! Yeah, it's annoying, immoral, destructive, etc., but it is so typical as to be essentially inevitable.

"Hell is other people" - Sartre
"People are bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling" - Dr. Kelso

OldePhart
04-24-2011, 10:28 AM
As a Chicagoan, having a smaller group of people to bride would certainly be more efficient and likely less expensive. So I am all for it.. ;)

Wow - I never knew you guys married your extra voters! LOL

OldePhart
04-24-2011, 10:37 AM
I'm in the camp that believes public outing / humiliation is probably counter-productive in the long run. Yeah, it would be nice to clear the names of those who deserve their award but it would also bring a real sour note to the whole affair - not to mention the fact that it could be a potentially expensive libel suit if Rayan and the guys don't have iron-clad, stand-up-in-court proof not only that cheating occurred on someone's behalf, but that said someone perpetrated or authorized said cheating.

Frankly, the cheating person or persons know who they are and their greatest punishment is simply that for the rest of their lives they have to live with a lowlife cheater.

John

bunnyrawr
04-24-2011, 10:47 AM
I didn't think Ukers were the cheating type.
I mean ukulele players are so chilled out and cheerful that you just wouldn't expect it in a community like this :(

olgoat52
04-24-2011, 03:47 PM
Wow - I never knew you guys married your extra voters! LOL

How come you didn't fix it for me ;)

dave alexander
04-25-2011, 06:48 AM
Somebody cheated in a contest named the "Undies?" Karma will take care of this. Let it slide. Sorry the real winners didn't win.

sukie
04-25-2011, 07:59 AM
This whole thing sucks.

I thought the Undies were to honour good performances. Cheating does not a win make.

Yes, I do believe that some people make videos hoping to win an Undie.

I would vote to strip the alleged winner of the Undie. I don't know who did it, but they didn't earn it. Bah!

I believe in karma, though..........so it's ok.

bazmaz
04-25-2011, 08:30 AM
I too think this stinks - and if they are investigating, then surely the ONLY way to deal with this is to strip the winner of the prize? In fact - should they not go further and close the UU account?

Or am I being harsh?

hoosierhiver
04-25-2011, 08:32 AM
I too think this stinks - and if they are investigating, then surely the ONLY way to deal with this is to strip the winner of the prize? In fact - should they not go further and close the UU account?

Or am I being harsh?

I presume the cheater was disqualified....

salukulady
04-25-2011, 09:23 AM
I presume the cheater was disqualified....I have been assuming that all along, Mike. One would hope so.

ukeeku
04-25-2011, 10:27 AM
I have been assuming that all along, Mike. One would hope so.

If you read it say "If you win and you cheated, then you should feel real good about it"
So I don't know

Hippie Dribble
04-25-2011, 12:49 PM
really, the original post should never have been made. It should have been kept in-house, as all this thread has done is create more tension between members that was unnecessary. Deal with the cheat privately, exclude that member from next years undies, and re-designate the award they received to the runner-up who deserved it. None of us needed to know. Because it was made public, the hornets nest was kicked which is unfortunate.

philpot
04-25-2011, 01:19 PM
really, the original post should never have been made. It should have been kept in-house, as all this thread has done is create more tension between members that was unnecessary. Deal with the cheat privately, exclude that member from next years undies, and re-designate the award they received to the runner-up who deserved it. None of us needed to know. Because it was made public, the hornets nest was kicked which is unfortunate.

I kinda agree... I love the people on this forum, and their hearts are in the right place, but when the mods/staff make a post about something touch, it turns into a mob... Rayan and the others have it under control people, let them decide what to do rather then calling for the heads of everyone suspicious. Please? ^.^

MiaRosie
04-25-2011, 01:38 PM
By reading the thread the cheater will know that he or she has been found out, they will know how the rest of the members of the UU feel about it. We don't need to know who it is.

I don't know enough about the competition to know the ins and outs of it, but I do hope that it doesn't detract from the feeling those who have genuinely been voted for, nominated, and won ( how many win? ) have. I would hate to think I had won something and then found that people reading my name in a list wondered if I HAD won it or cheated.

I come on here to read, to relax, to learn something new, to see how people are getting on, and don't post as often as many others do so I am a 'casual' user of UU, but I'd hate to see it go the way of so many other forums, with frequent back biting, arguments, recriminations, insinuations etc etc.

Mr or Mrs cheater your actions are below the belt. Shame on you.

salukulady
04-25-2011, 01:38 PM
I think they posted it in the spirit of letting everyone know that future undies will be watched more closely.

philpot
04-25-2011, 01:40 PM
I think they posted it in the spirit of letting everyone know that future undies will be watched more closely.

Exactly. I believe they definitely should have posted it. But I think people should control their reactions. The cheater will be dealt with in an appropriate manner as the UU people see fit.

thatukuleleguy
04-25-2011, 02:28 PM
really, the original post should never have been made. It should have been kept in-house, as all this thread has done is create more tension between members that was unnecessary. Deal with the cheat privately, exclude that member from next years undies, and re-designate the award they received to the runner-up who deserved it. None of us needed to know. Because it was made public, the hornets nest was kicked which is unfortunate.

Posting this:
A) Deters people from doing this in the future. If potential cheaters are aware that they can and will be caught, they probably won't cheat.
B) Explains why the person in 1st suddenly didn't win. If the person in 1st didn't win, there would be people asking why, then the staff would have to say this. Better to do it now and avoid confusion.

itsme
04-25-2011, 03:41 PM
Rayan, I'd really like to know if the cheater was disqualified and if what you said about "if you cheated and win" was rhetorical in the sense that perhaps others may have cheated as well but just hadn't been caught.


I would hate to think I had won something and then found that people reading my name in a list wondered if I HAD won it or cheated.
Yes, and that's why I'd like Rayan to answer the question I posed above. As it is, it clouds the issue and I can't help but wonder if one of the winners is really a cheat and perhaps the plaques had already been engraved and it was too late to change the "winner" once the cheating came to light.