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eor
04-25-2011, 05:19 AM
hey folks

after reading this thread ( http://www.ukuleleunderground.com/forum/showthread.php?45886-UU-VIP-Program ) my first reaction was that the smart thing to do would be to forget the soap box, shut up and go to bed.
yup... the smart thing to do...
.......but that would be going against character.

I havnt been here a long time and i dont chat or take part in many threads. If I have something to say I say it and if I have some thing to ask I ask it. Aside from that I listen. I have tried to give back to this community when I can, an example being the "ukers guide to blues harp". Its had 2000 hits so i assume its helping somebody

I am a uke beginner and dont have a extensive stable of expensive ukes, each with thier own names and fancy dodads hanging from the tuners. I dont own a solid wood ukulele. My "K" brand is Kala. Im proud of that. I have never met james hill or jake and probaly never will. I have two ukes and one was signed by Manitoba Hal before he gave it to me for playin his music and because he liked the job I did it. I am also proud of that.

Im not rich, Im not hip and Im not good looking.(well not THAT good looking) :-)

I am a uke beginner, a mediocre player. I have two simple ukes but they are damn good ukes and I challenge any one of the 39000 members of these forums to come sit on my porch some warm summer day when the west wind is dancing low over the mountain and sea gulls are crying high over the bay. we can crack a bottle of home made wine and with baccus blessing we can each take a uke and look at the land and sky and water and under a thousand hues of blue and green we can play. or come over some winter night when it is so cold out side the trees are cracking like gunshots and Ill stoke the fire and make a couple of irish coffee and we can each take a uke and play and we will feel like kings and after its all over and the last note of the night has died off and the only thing left in the room is the smell of cedar and birch and chicken and dumplins you tell me if you need anything more than that.

Thats what ukin is about. Thats what music is about. .

We call ourelves the ukulele underground. Its a community I am proud to to be a part of.

We play an instrument that most folk take as seriously as if we showed up with a plastic sax. We are the geeks and nerds, the eccentrics and the dreamers, the oddities of the music world. our forum has been remarkably free of the snobbery, mysoginism,and elitism that is par for the course in other instrument forums. every body has always been welcome here. everybody

until now...

I understand the costs of business. There is however alot about the main UU site that can be made "deluxe" and charged money for with out touching the forums. I fail to see how polarizing this community along financial lines will be " helping UU and the ukulele movement stay strong"

I think UU should be offering services/features that encourage folk to become members to of the "deluxe club" not withholding things or making two tier forums to punish those in the regular forum who are not..
Even the term VIP program gets my hackles up because it implies that those of us that dont want to or cant for whatever reason lay out 45 bucks a year are some how not "very important people".

Saying that UU will be having give aways and contests again but only for the folk who pay bothers me so much I am not even going to get into it.

Contests are a much under rated and superb way to improve not just your playing but your musicianship. Restricting who can enter to paying customers is an insult to every body who was come togeather to make the UU forums the place it is. Particularly since contests have been "on hold " here after some displays of poor sportsmanship in the past. Suddenly contests are ressurected for VIP s only? Is the cost of integrity 5 bucks a month? Are folk with cash some how more deserving or more honest or cut from some morally superior cloth??

I will note however that having give aways for paying members of the vip prog ONLY may be considered a lottery and probobly illegal.

I dont imagine this rant will make me very popular around here but being a canadian I am genetically programmed to stick up for the underdog. If i didnt get this off my chest my teeth would be ground down to nubs by 5 tomorrow .

I am waiting for my UU pin to arrive in the mail and when it does I will wear it proudly.

I just hope I will be wearing it as a symbol of what is and not as a memorial of something that was.

I am going to go and play my ukulele now.

peace
eor

UKISOCIETY
04-25-2011, 05:41 AM
Eh, it's their site and they can do what they want. I hope they make lots of money!
I can't join as a VIP as of yet, but will do so when I'm able. In the meantime, I'll be "slumming" here. :)

Oh, and the contests won't end. I hope to host another one in the next year.

roxhum
04-25-2011, 05:45 AM
I have been amazed and impressed at how well designed and functional UU is. That takes the time and expertise of the individuals managing the website. Like public radio and TV for it to continue it needs financial support. The young and talented men/women who have developed and run UU have themselves and potentially families to support. They came up with away to do that and for those who choose to contribute they came up with a few perks. I don't think they said that contest would stop for everyone else, just a little perk for those who chose to contribute. I personally do not take it as a snub or any elitist plot. I think the folks providing us with UU just want to be able to afford to continue the service. I am sure it is taking more hours as the forums grow and it cost money to provide what we all have been enjoying for free. Don't join if you don't want to. I for one understand and support the VIP membership option as away for them to raise funds to continue to have UU.

CoLmes
04-25-2011, 05:47 AM
Oh, and the contests won't end. I hope to host another one in the next year.

He's talking about the UU contests. Not the ones we put up. Like the Kanile'a and Eleuke ones that were here. I think the difference about putting the contests in the VIP section is if people really want to complain there, they can kick them out of the VIP part. You can't really kick anyone out of anything that is free. I don't know if I'm right but that's what I figure.

CoLmes
04-25-2011, 05:50 AM
He's talking about the UU contests. Not the ones we put up. Like the Kanile'a and Eleuke ones that were here. I think the difference about putting the contests in the VIP section is if people really want to complain there, they can kick them out of the VIP part. You can't really kick anyone out of anything that is free. I don't know if I'm right but that's what I figure.

And by doing that they can better guarantee to companies that want to run their contests on UU that there will be no mass of ppl going crazy if they don't win. That is what shut down the contests for here.

haole
04-25-2011, 05:54 AM
And by doing that they can better guarantee to companies that want to run their contests on UU that there will be no mass of ppl going crazy if they don't win. That is what shut down the contests for here.

That's what I gathered from all this too. The way some people acted during the last few official contests was a giant middle finger to UU, the sponsors, and the participants. It was cool that anyone could enter the contests even if they weren't active UU members, but I see what Ryan is trying to do here and it's ultimately a better idea.

hoosierhiver
04-25-2011, 05:54 AM
I don't really like the term "VIP" either, but I like everything else about the new thang.

eor
04-25-2011, 06:11 AM
hey folks

i went back and highlighted in bold print a few things in my original post because i think people were missing the point.

the folk here do a great job and shouldnt have to do it for free. and it is thier site and they can do what they want but there is more than one way to play a chord and at some point some body has to ask if the end justifies the means.

thx eor

Skitzic
04-25-2011, 06:14 AM
I don't see what all the hubbub is about. I belong to a number of other forums who have something very similar to this, and it works. If you don't want to / can't afford to buy in...don't. It's as simple as that. They're not limiting the forums to only paying members, they're not taking away anything from the free accounts...so why do you (not directed at OP, it's a general you) care? I just don't understand.

Maybe contests should just end all together. There's too much bull crappery attached to them these days. It seems you can't give anything away without someone complaining that you're giving it to the wrong person or it's unfair or blah blah blah. Bottom line: it's not your stuff so you don't get to dictate contest rules or the winners. Honestly it just sounds like another 'I'm so cool I deserve free stuff more than everyone else!' rant to me. I don't blame them for restricting their own contests. If you want to win that badly it's $5...skip buying strings and enter the contest. Maybe it will keep out some of the bad sportsmanship or whiners about how the rules weren't fair or the judging criteria wasn't explained well enough...but honestly I doubt it, and that saddens me.

Again, they are not taking anything away from the free membership, so where's the problem?

In short, relax people. This isn't going to create divisions or give anyone a God complex that doesn't already have one.

OldePhart
04-25-2011, 06:50 AM
I haven't joined the VIP section yet but I intend to. I've run forums before and I can tell you folks I don't think I would ever do so again. Keeping this place as clean and friendly as it is takes a lot of work. And it's pretty much not very fun work, either. Somebody is always unhappy when you have to close down a thread - sometimes lots of somebody's. I could go an and on about what a pain in the arse administering a forum is but I'll refrain.

I know not everyone can afford $45 a year - and many who can afford it probably just don't have any interest in the VIP stuff and won't sign up. That's cool too.

What I do find annoying as heck though is people who don't think that those of us who can afford the ticket and have the desire to help out shouldn't be rewarded for that - and that's basically what you're saying when you say there shouldn't be a VIP forum.

So, yeah, maybe a better name could be found but the bottom line is the guys feel something like this is needed and I applaud them for it.

John

PhilUSAFRet
04-25-2011, 07:00 AM
I'm just amazed and appreciate all he hard work UU'ers put into UU. Thanks! Do what you need to do to keep this amazing site strong and growing.

sukie
04-25-2011, 07:13 AM
Last week I signed up to "Tip" the UU guys. I am happy to do that. I buy lots of stuff (except ukuleles, sorry UU guys) from the UU store. I will give these guys whatever I can because I love this place. And up until last week it was totally FREE to me. I decided to tip them as I want to help them.

Best as I can tell, UU doesn't change if you aren't a "VIP". You can still read and post to the forums. You still get the lessons and videos. yada, yada, yada....

Quit bitching. It gives UU a bad name. Isn't this place wonderful? Think about it. Really. They are not demanding anyone do this. I guess I thought they did it to hep keep this place alive and well. If you don't wanna give them money, don't. Nothing will change for you. :-)

dkcrown
04-25-2011, 07:18 AM
I joined strictly to support the guys who put this whole thing together for us. I could afford the $45 for a year so I happily ponied up. The added space for PM's is a nice benefit. I have never entered a contest to win anything here and probably still won't. Most of the contests require some amount of musical talent which I am sorely lacking.

I think that Deach said it best in the recent thread about the scandal invoving the Undies and cheating. Things have changed here, not all for the better. But come on people, lighten up. It is still THE BEST forum for anything on the web and let's just leave it at that. I think that we all could take a little dose of the Aloha Spirit right now.

OldePhart
04-25-2011, 07:28 AM
I joined strictly to support the guys who put this whole thing together for us. I could afford the $45 for a year so I happily ponied up. The added space for PM's is a nice benefit. I have never entered a contest to win anything here and probably still won't. Most of the contests require some amount of musical talent which I am sorely lacking.


Heh, heh. That pretty much sums it up for me, too. I've entered contests but with no expectation of winning - they're just fun. I suppose you're born with talent so I'll never have much hope in that regard but, who knows, give me another ten years or so and I might develop enough skill to win a contest some day. :)

John

bazmaz
04-25-2011, 07:29 AM
I'll be joining up!

mds725
04-25-2011, 07:50 AM
I don't really like the term "VIP" either, but I like everything else about the new thang.

I was happy to be given the opportunity provide some financial support to this wonderful forum and the people who run it, and I don't see anything wrong with getting additional perks for doing so. Public radio and art-related entities such as museums, symphonies and opera and ballet companies all offer perks to people make an annual payment (typically called memberships or subscriptions), and many provide levels of benefits according to how much someone has given or paid. Like Mike, though, I don't like the term "VIP." I'm hoping the mods will get rid of that term and find another term, maybe something like "benefactor" or "supporter." I also don't like the fact that as a result of having paid the annual VIP fee, I'm now identified in every post I make as a VIP. I prefer to support things like UU quietly and without fanfare. I'd prefer if I could be a benefactor or supporter without having some "UU VIP" icon next to my name wherever I appear on the website.

eor
04-25-2011, 07:57 AM
hey

was this really needed??.....


. Bottom line: it's not your stuff so you don't get to dictate contest rules or the winners. Honestly it just sounds like another 'I'm so cool I deserve free stuff more than everyone else!' rant to me. . If you want to win that badly it's $5...skip buying strings and enter the contest. .

cause its pretty much an example of why folk are often scared to give honest opinions on some topics around here and pretty much why i have to take a public flogging to try and make a point. :-)

.

as far as me coming across as "thinking im so cool" i am bummed out cause i was trying for thoughful and articulate...
oh yea ....and polite.

once again I have no probs with the nice folk at UU finding funding.they do a great job.

i dont care if there is a free and pay side to UU.

i dont care and mean no disrespect to you if you want to be a "VIP.

go ahead ...fill yer boots and have fun.... be as very important as your five bucks will get ya

I just dont think the forums should be held hostage to do it.

its ironic when a forum started by musicians because of predjudice and exclusionism towards thier choice of instrument takes this kind of turn.

I think we all, including the UU staff (great folk, love what they do ect ect ect ect) should be careful to remember how we got here

Ukulele Dude
04-25-2011, 08:02 AM
The only part that concerns me is the reference to 'VIP Boards'. Does that mean more forums for VIP users? It seems like that could water down the discussion for paying and non paying forum users. But if that's what it takes to keep UU going, then I support it.

And responses like, 'Quit bitching.' are uncalled for.

sukie
04-25-2011, 08:05 AM
h
I just dont think the forums should be held hostage to do it.

I agree with ALMOST everything you say, actually. Here is my confusion: Please tell me what part of the forums are held hostage by this. IF someone chooses not to pay money for the site -- which is NOT mandatory -- what changes for them?

I'm just asking, as I really don't understand.

bazmaz
04-25-2011, 08:10 AM
nobody will be held hostage for anything!

sukie
04-25-2011, 08:12 AM
And responses like, 'Quit bitching.' are uncalled for.

You're right. I am sorry.

I didn't mean to say that in specific to the OP. I meant it in general, but I sure can see how it looks when you say that. I just get very frustrated when people are in ANY way are negative about UkuleleUnderground. This place means a lot to me. I've hardly missed a day here in three years. I've met some really fabulous friends -- and am lucky enough to spend time with them in person -- and have learned ever so much about the ukulele. If ever I have a question I can count on getting an answer on these forums within minutes. That's really cool. Heck, I even study ukulele with Aldrine. How awesome is that?!?!? I just don't begrudge these boys anything. They are amazing. I am willing to fight for what I love. I know, my answer was bad.

I really love the Aloha spirit which is a big part of UU. I'm sorry to have discredited it.

Sukie

Skitzic
04-25-2011, 08:14 AM
Believe it or not, I really wasn't trying to be a jerk. I just don't understand what the big deal is. Nothing is changing for the free membership.

Do you (again, not OP just a general you) really think it will cause a riff? I just can't see it.

I apologize if you thought I was attacking you (upon rereading it, I could have worded it differently) but I wasn't trying to. But there has been an awful lot of negativity floating around here lately, especially about contests.

I just get the impression there's no way to win in a lot of these situations.

Start an upgraded membership program to keep the site running: get flamed for starting an upgraded membership program.
Keep everything free for everyone forever: shut down because the community got too big and couldn't support itself.
Hold a contest to give away a free uke: get flamed for picking the 'wrong' winner.
Win a contest and get a free uke: get flamed for winning the contest.

I know I'm not the only one seeing this pattern.

UncleElvis
04-25-2011, 08:14 AM
I just dont think the forums should be held hostage to do it.


Who's holding anyone hostage? Seriously.

rayan
04-25-2011, 08:25 AM
1st. Thank you to everyone in this thread who has been sticking up for the UU VIP program.

I will keep this short. I do not understand how anyone can think the forum is being held hostage. No one is forcing anybody to be a VIP member or let alone a regular member of UU.

pulelehua
04-25-2011, 08:26 AM
I guess I'm in two minds about all this:

1. The internet is a complicated place to function financially. It's a place full of time and energy, but much less full of money changing hands based on the energy invested. So many people devote so much of their lives to websites with little reward.
2. It FEELS wrong. It creates a hierarchy. Not a big one. But a hierarchy nonetheless. This was a completely egalitarian space, and now, somehow it's not. I think it ups the stakes again. The expectations.

Dunno. I adore the ukulele. I think this is a great forum. I don't ever enter contests. I will probably never be a VIP. What makes me sad is that I feel like I should. I get what eor's saying. Not with his teeth-grinding sense of urgency, but I think he has a point.

Skitzic
04-25-2011, 08:31 AM
I guess I'm in two minds about all this:

1. The internet is a complicated place to function financially. It's a place full of time and energy, but much less full of money changing hands based on the energy invested. So many people devote so much of their lives to websites with little reward.
2. It FEELS wrong. It creates a hierarchy. Not a big one. But a hierarchy nonetheless. This was a completely egalitarian space, and now, somehow it's not. I think it ups the stakes again. The expectations.

Dunno. I adore the ukulele. I think this is a great forum. I don't ever enter contests. I will probably never be a VIP. What makes me sad is that I feel like I should. I get what eor's saying. Not with his teeth-grinding sense of urgency, but I think he has a point.

I really don't understand how a hierarchy has been made. Please explain it because I would dearly like to know.

I would also like to know why 'you feel you should'.

Not trying to be snarky, just trying to understand.

JamieFromOntario
04-25-2011, 08:32 AM
I think some of us might be at loggerheads because there is a misunderstanding about the benefits of being a VIP member. Perhaps one of the mods can answer this.

In Rayan's announcement about the VIP program, one of the benefits listed is: "Access to VIP Boards. no spam, no promos, just a place to talk story and hang out."

Does this mean that there will be special forums which only the VIPs can access (this seems to be eor's big concerns - and I am concerned right along with him if it's the case)?
or
Does it just mean that VIP member will have access TO THE EXACT SAME SITE but with ads removed?



I do not feel okay about only VIPs being able to participate in contests. I understand that there have been issue with some of the contests lately, but I would be very reticent to encourage such a two tiered system of community membership. I do also understand that I do not donate the instruments for the contests, but I do feel they should be as inclusive as possible.


Also, I totally agree with everything mds725 wrote. This member has exactly the right idea. There are ways to name supporters without making those who do not support monetarily feel like second class citizens. The VIP moniker tacitly implies that this member is more important than someone without the added label.

I am considering making a $45 donation but not becoming a VIP member.



Lastly, I applaud eor for bravely stating his opinion. Eor, I found your comments both thoughtful and respectful. It's not 'bitching' to bring forward something you feel is a legitimate concern.

Ukulele Dude
04-25-2011, 08:32 AM
You're right. I am sorry.

I didn't mean to say that in specific to the OP. I meant it in general, but I sure can see how it looks when you say that. I just get very frustrated when people are in ANY way are negative about UkuleleUnderground. This place means a lot to me. I've hardly missed a day here in three years. I've met some really fabulous friends -- and am lucky enough to spend time with them in person -- and have learned ever so much about the ukulele. If ever I have a question I can count on getting an answer on these forums within minutes. That's really cool. Heck, I even study ukulele with Aldrine. How awesome is that?!?!? I just don't begrudge these boys anything. They are amazing. I am willing to fight for what I love. I know, my answer was bad.

I really love the Aloha spirit which is a big part of UU. I'm sorry to have discredited it.

Sukie

No problem, Sukie. I understand. Thank you for the reply. This is a great place; I think we're all just a little afaid to see it change.

CoLmes
04-25-2011, 08:34 AM
All I know is the UU guys have been at this for 3+ years. UU is easily the best instrument website on the planet. Better than guitar, better than trombone, better than the freaking oud. There is not a better place to learn an instrument and it's because these 3 have been spitting out great content FOR FREE for years. If anything, WE'VE BEEN TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THEM. We don't deserve to have it this good. Especially since how a lot of people have been acting on the forums lately. People just don't seem to see the good parts of things that are being done.

So they go and try to make UU better by putting up a "VIP" thing. So what? The money they will get from there will make the place better for EVERYONE. Vip and non. How can we crucify them for trying to make a buck to make this place better? I'm glad they are doing this, it means that UU is taking the first step into the future, to make it better. If you think they are doing this to separate people or to make money, you don't know anything about them or UU or the mission.

misterpk
04-25-2011, 08:40 AM
...Better than guitar, better than trombone...

Colin why are you hating on me?! :p

Let's lighten up peeps. This really isn't a big deal. I personally can think of 2 things that are actually worth being upset at. Death and taxes! UU doing a VIP program is hardly worth any emotion. If you want to help these guys out, do it and get some perks. If you don't, don't join and receive some perks as well!

pulelehua
04-25-2011, 08:48 AM
I really don't understand how a hierarchy has been made. Please explain it because I would dearly like to know.

I would also like to know why 'you feel you should'.

Not trying to be snarky, just trying to understand.

If there are VIP members who get X, and non-VIP members who get Y, there is, by definition, a hierarchy. I don't think this is confusing. I might be missing something, though. Sorry.

As for the "feel I should" pay $45, it's like being in church. The plate comes around. The person next to you puts on $10. You pass the plate on. The person on the other side puts on $5. You feel something. A bad something. You can say "Oh, that's your problem", but it wasn't my problem yesterday.

Again, I'd like to say that my emotions aren't running particularly high about this. I was most bothered by the large amount of flack eor was taking. And it was hard to not laugh at the fact that all the people giving him a hard time have little "UU VIP" emblems and New Titles under their usernames.

After all, I'm only a Senior Member. ;)

Dougf
04-25-2011, 08:49 AM
I just signed up, mostly because I want to chip in and help defray some of the costs, but I'm not wild about the two tier thing. My guess is there may be a few bumps in the road ahead, but I'm hoping things will work themselves out, and people won't feel like second class citizens if they don't sign up.

salukulady
04-25-2011, 08:51 AM
If there are VIP members who get X, and non-VIP members who get Y, there is, by definition, a hierarchy. I don't think this is confusing. I might be missing something, though. Sorry.

As for the "feel I should" pay $45, it's like being in church. The plate comes around. The person next to you puts on $10. You pass the plate on. The person on the other side puts on $5. You feel something. A bad something. You can say "Oh, that's your problem", but it wasn't my problem yesterday.

Again, I'd like to say that my emotions aren't running particularly high about this. I was most bothered by the large amount of flack eor was taking. And it was hard to not laugh at the fact that all the people giving him a hard time have little "UU VIP" emblems and New Titles under their usernames.

After all, I'm only a Senior Member. ;)I don't have one....want my opinion?

UncleElvis
04-25-2011, 08:53 AM
As far as I can see, the choice isn't: All members or VIP members doing contests; it's: VIP only or no contests at all.

And why? For this very reason.

They try to do something cool for folks who want to help out financially (something they OBVIOUSLY need to do. This can't be cheap to do) and someone has to come in and start applying their own rules.

You don't get to set the rules. This isn't your site.
It's FOR you, yes, but that doesn't mean that you get to come in and set the rules. And to cause this much drama because you want MORE free shit from them? I'm sorry, but that's not even a little bit cool.

Should I get the option to have a VIP badge if it's offered? Should I be proud of it? HELL yes! I love this place and I'm REALLY happy that I get to help out.

Should we get special stuff if offered? HELL YES! You know why? 'Cuz we paid for it.

Special forums? Yep. Absolutely. I paid for that.

More messages in my inbox? Yup! Paid for that too.

Contests that WON'T have people bitching that the wrong person won or demanding that the contest holder do things their way?
Y'damn right. I'll GLADLY pay for that.

No one is MAKING anyone feel like a second-class citizen.
If you feel like you are, or feel like you should join the VIP, that's on you. I haven't seen one bit of pressure to do so.

UKISOCIETY
04-25-2011, 08:55 AM
This class envy stuff has to cease. Stop feeling sorry for yourselves if you're not a UUVIP. I'm not a VIP, but I'm happy to see many people join as VIPs. The regular forum will still be as awesome as it is now.

This thread is getting dangerously close to needing to be locked. Remember the Aloha spirit, peoples!
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UncleElvis
04-25-2011, 08:59 AM
I love the fact that the ones CREATING the heirarchy problems are the ones WITHOUT the "little "UUVIP" emblems"...

this is mindblowing to me.

If you don't want to join, don't. No one is forcing you and no one is causing the bad feelings but you.

The rare times I DO go to church, if I like what I saw, I'll donate, but I feel NO way about not giving money if I didn't like it. Why should I?

If you didn't have bad feelings yesterday, but do today, then, again, it's not on anyone but yourself, ESPECIALLY when no one has tried to force you to do ANYTHING.

For me, this is kinda like going to a party that has free sodas, but a cash bar for alcohol and railing against the hosts. "WHY DO THEY GET ALCOHOL, BUT I DON'T! YOU'RE CREATING A HEIRARCHY! IT'S NOT FAIR!"

Skitzic
04-25-2011, 09:00 AM
If there are VIP members who get X, and non-VIP members who get Y, there is, by definition, a hierarchy. I don't think this is confusing. I might be missing something, though. Sorry.

As for the "feel I should" pay $45, it's like being in church. The plate comes around. The person next to you puts on $10. You pass the plate on. The person on the other side puts on $5. You feel something. A bad something. You can say "Oh, that's your problem", but it wasn't my problem yesterday.

Again, I'd like to say that my emotions aren't running particularly high about this. I was most bothered by the large amount of flack eor was taking. And it was hard to not laugh at the fact that all the people giving him a hard time have little "UU VIP" emblems and New Titles under their usernames.

After all, I'm only a Senior Member. ;)

Well, feeling the need to pay if a foreign concept to me. I don't feel the need to pay to support the other forums I belong to even though they have a very similar program in place. I also never felt the need to put money in the offering plate the few times I went to church. If that's how you feel, that's how you feel...but I don't understand it and no matter how much you explain it I still won't understand. That would be like calling in to every organization that advertised on TV. Someone somewhere in the world is giving money to those kids...so must I! Again, that's just my opinion and I don't understand the mentality.

sukie
04-25-2011, 09:04 AM
**sigh**


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pithaya9
04-25-2011, 09:06 AM
What heirarchy, I do believe that you can buy your way to the front of the line at Disneyland.

hoosierhiver
04-25-2011, 09:06 AM
UU is awesome and I'm proud to support it and the guys who make this great place possible. I know that some people aren't looking for, or wanting recognition for their financial contribution, but I think it's nice to be able to see who puts their money where their mouth is.

pithaya9
04-25-2011, 09:07 AM
UU is awesome and I'm proud to support it and the guys who make this great place possible. I know that some people aren't looking for, or wanting recognition for their financial contribution, but I think it's nice to be able to see who puts their money where their mouth is.

Totally Agree!

UncleElvis
04-25-2011, 09:10 AM
UU is awesome and I'm proud to support it and the guys who make this great place possible. I know that some people aren't looking for, or wanting recognition for their financial contribution, but I think it's nice to be able to see who puts their money where their mouth is.

T h i s . . .

Aldrine Guerrero
04-25-2011, 09:18 AM
Alright... I can't just sit back and watch this.

I'm usually a pretty reserved person that keeps his opinions to himself but this is ridiculous.

Keynotes:
The forum costs money. Well... to us. Not for you guys.
The ridiculous amounts of threads and posts being created on the daily by this forum is sucking up a whole buttload of bandwidth.
You don't have to sign up for VIP if you don't want to. We're not forcing anyone.
We just wanted to reward people for helping us keep the costs down.
If you did not win a contest, you didn't gain the prize but didn't lose anything either.

Congratulations in turning what was supposed to celebrate how grateful we are to people that help us out financially into making us feel like the bad guys for doing so. We work for countless hours for FREE and never asked for anything in return. The moment we ask for a little help, we get this thread. To those who have a problem with it; thanks for being so supportive.

/endrant

<3
-Aldrine

EDIT:
There's a WHOLE BOARD FOR CONTESTS. Just in case anyone missed it.

sukie
04-25-2011, 09:26 AM
Alright...
<3
-Aldrine

+1.

remember those? :-)

pithaya9
04-25-2011, 09:29 AM
Thanks Aldrine for giving people that can and want to support UU the chance. All your hard work is more than appreciated by many of us here. Again I personnally can't thank you enough.

Jack

salukulady
04-25-2011, 09:30 AM
The people that don't like this don't really understand what the boys are about. Ryan, Aaron and Aldrine never did this for the money. They just need it to pay for iself, finally. If they were in it for the bucks, Aldrine would be touring. He has the talent if he chose to sell himself that way.

I have organized 4 concerts for Aldrine. The first one he played for free. The second one I paid him what I took in at the door minus $20 for printing costs. He turned around and gave my band and the other opening act each a cut. I tried to refuse it and he insisited. The last two concerts were held at a club and I arranged with the owner to give Aldrine the money after I left both times so he couldn't pay me. Aldrine is generous to a fault.

Their whole drive is to share the love of the ukulele and teach the next generation. UU-VIP is not about creating a hierarchy, it's about giving you something extra for your $$ so they can continue to operate the free stuff. Join if you want, no ones forcing you.

Thank you, boys. You're time and effort are much appreciated. You are the best.

Kanaka916
04-25-2011, 09:32 AM
Aldrine has said it all and I believe everything needed to be said has. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/hawhyen51/locked.png this puppy so cooler heads can prevail. I'll reopen this thread if Admin and my fellow Mods deem it necessary. Thanks all for you POV.

Aldrine Guerrero
04-25-2011, 09:35 AM
Thanks to everyone who understands. Sorry for all the hate lately from others. UU shouldn't have all this negativity, and I apologize for all of that.