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peterng_20
07-30-2008, 05:42 PM
Speaking in GCEA (high G) tuning...

The high G string seems to be excluded in riffs and solos :(

If a low G string was used, then you can move up and down the frets through all four strings and make crazy riffs or solos like a guitar. But with the high G string, it does not work well when I do solos, so I basically use the CEA strings since it is suitable for moving up and down the frets. The only thing I use the high G for is to form chords, make the ghost note in between strumming patterns, and to add that extra note for finger picking. If I start a solo on the high G, then the riff stays on the G since moving to the next string instantly changes octaves which doesn't flow well, but still sounds interesting.

Does anyone agree with this? And is there a better way to get this lonely string involved?

However, I can change the string to low G, but that always irritates me since I only have one uke (pretty embarassing).

hotnanas
07-30-2008, 07:36 PM
ya, i have been trying to learn scales all over the fret board and i don't really use the G-string. In fact, I am thinking about taking the g-string off and finding something better.

UkuLeLesReggAe
07-30-2008, 08:20 PM
i dunno if mine low or high, how u find out again? :)

Ken Middleton
07-30-2008, 09:44 PM
It is the high G that is mainly responsible for giving the instrument that traditional ukulele sound. With a low G it stars to sound like a little guitar.

Yes, you will get a bigger range of notes to play with if you change it to a low G, but they are only any use when playing a single line solo.

Also, once you change it to a low string you may not be able to chgange back because you have to make the slot at the nut wider. So be careful.

I don't agree at all about the low G being better. I use it all the time. It is rather like the extra string on a 5 string banjo. Try some of my arrangements e.g. Sweet Afton orThe Flowers Of Edinburgh. Find it here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=a18e92d5e21704b1d5a101cf914073b47627c76b 3f1e1060

KEN

Lanark
07-30-2008, 11:28 PM
I agree with Ken.
It's a string. There's plenty more notes on it. If you can't figure out how to use them it's hardly the fault of the string.

It's just a little counter intuitive to have a high string in the number 4 position if you're used to other instruments.

ichadwick
07-31-2008, 02:46 AM
I have ukes in both tuning and it depends on the song which one I chose. Something like Suzie Q or Smokestack Lightning with a run that goes down to the fourth string is a low G uke. Others - well, I just keep my lead bits on the first three strings.

HumbleSounds
07-31-2008, 10:30 AM
However, I can change the string to low G, but that always irritates me since I only have one uke (pretty embarassing).

I think what your realy saying is its time for another uke!;)

SuperSecretBETA
07-31-2008, 11:08 AM
Also, once you change it to a low string you may not be able to change back because you have to make the slot at the nut wider. So be careful.

I never thought about that. Thanks for the info; although, now I don't know whether or not I should put my new low G set on my soprano. >_<

Guting
07-31-2008, 11:36 AM
Speaking in GCEA (high G) tuning...

The high G string seems to be excluded in riffs and solos :(

If a low G string was used, then you can move up and down the frets through all four strings and make crazy riffs or solos like a guitar. But with the high G string, it does not work well when I do solos, so I basically use the CEA strings since it is suitable for moving up and down the frets. The only thing I use the high G for is to form chords, make the ghost note in between strumming patterns, and to add that extra note for finger picking. If I start a solo on the high G, then the riff stays on the G since moving to the next string instantly changes octaves which doesn't flow well, but still sounds interesting.

Does anyone agree with this? And is there a better way to get this lonely string involved?

However, I can change the string to low G, but that always irritates me since I only have one uke (pretty embarassing).

any vids/clips of your solos?

RON<>VA
07-31-2008, 12:24 PM
Obvious solution - need all style ukes with both high and low G. Now pull out that plastic and get on the phone!

Plainsong
07-31-2008, 12:36 PM
Low G really fraks up my House of the Rising Sun. I use the High G. If I can, anyone can. ;)

IamRobbyah
07-31-2008, 01:21 PM
Although I don't have a low g on my uke, I've been really feelin it lately.

Now if only I didnt give my other lanikai to my mom... sigh. guess I need another uke ;)

SuperSecretBETA
07-31-2008, 01:24 PM
I use the High G. If I can, anyone can. ;)

It really depends on the song performed. Soloing with high G limits your playable range (lows). Number of playable frets also limit range of notes (highs).

Rep? =P

Plainsong
07-31-2008, 01:47 PM
Well I know it depends of course, but it's also possible to switch things around in many songs, especially the types where the notes are in the chords already if you get what I mean.

I'm not dissing all of low G. I've got my tenor all Low G'd up, I'm just saying that I tend to think of the high G as a different way to sound, rather than a limitation.

It's as good an excuse as any for another uke. What number excuse would that be? :)

peterng_20
07-31-2008, 02:29 PM
any vids/clips of your solos?

Do you want solos that I failed on because of the high G or just solos that I can play? I know a couple solos to a few songs and I can surely make some up using my knowledge of scales. The thing is that I don't have access to a good camera, only my crappy digital cam.

h-drix
07-31-2008, 02:48 PM
Low G really fraks up my House of the Rising Sun. I use the High G. If I can, anyone can. ;)

do you use tabs? or just regular chords? if you have tabs could you upload them

(did use the search button, didnt work)

Plainsong
08-01-2008, 06:06 AM
It's so easy, I don't think you need the tabs. The notes are inside the chord fingerings. It's just Am, C, D, F, Am, C, E7, and then repeat but take out the 2nd C - Am, C, D, F, Am, E7, Am.

It's just a scale straight down and up the strings, with the exception of the E7. Or, you can strum it, and then pluck the scale after each strum pattern.

The way I do it, Low G kind of messes that up, but it can still be done of course.

Now as for the melody, I don't know it. I mean it's in there. It's close, but my husband knows it on guitar and keyboard, and I don't yet know it on uke. You can tell what it is with just the scales though.

Ok, 2nd edit. He lied. He can't do that chord/melody thing on guitar. He can on keyboard obviously, I've heard him and there's no trick to it of course.

CTurner
08-01-2008, 08:47 AM
I sometimes get frustrated when I hear a lovely tab tune and look it up only to find it requires a low G. Dom's "One Note Samba" is an example; there's a song that I'm capable of learning but I can't find it in standard.

Of course, I don't "blame" anyone for creating a low G arrangement, but I wish I was proficient enough to find a way to transfer a low G arrangement to the re-entrant standard <when I wanted>.

I understand that another uke or two with different strings might answer the problem! :)

SuperSecretBETA
08-01-2008, 12:43 PM
I sometimes get frustrated when I hear a lovely tab tune and look it up only to find it requires a low G. Dom's "One Note Samba" is an example; there's a song that I'm capable of learning but I can't find it in standard.

Of course, I don't "blame" anyone for creating a low G arrangement, but I wish I was proficient enough to find a way to transfer a low G arrangement to the re-entrant standard <when I wanted>.

I understand that another uke or two with different strings might answer the problem! :)

Technically, "One Note Samba" uses D tuning with a low A, but a C tuning low G song will just sound a whole step lower.

Waterguy
08-01-2008, 01:22 PM
Obvious solution - need all style ukes with both high and low G. Now pull out that plastic and get on the phone!

This solution would obviously work which brings up a question of my own.

Has anyone here ever figured the exact percentage of problems brought up on this board that can be solved with this exact same advice?

Would explain a lot...just sayin

Plainsong
08-01-2008, 01:32 PM
I think nearly every problem has "buy a new uke" as a solution. Even if you say "I'm broke!"

The solution is to buy a new uke.

Everything in life is solved by a new uke. It doesn't even have to be good. It just has to be new (to you).

Howlin Hobbit
08-01-2008, 09:04 PM
I sometimes get frustrated when I hear a lovely tab tune and look it up only to find it requires a low G.

Hear, hear!


Of course, I don't "blame" anyone for creating a low G arrangement...

I don't think it's a matter of blame either. It's just that (so far) I've only found one (count 'em!) really good arrangement for high G tuned uke online. The rest have either been (IMNSHO):

a) Lame songs or...
b) Pitifully simple (and simple sounding) arrangements (like just the melody line)or...
c) For low G only or...
d) Only for the godlike ukulele beings amongst us or...
e) Some combination of the above

There seems to be a horrid dearth of intermediate level, hip tab arrangements for high G.

I've come up with a few arrangements that I consider to be decent (if not terribly flashy), but I can't tab for shit. If any of you tabbers want to take a whack at one of my YouTube vids, please feel free! I'll happily host the files and share them around with anyone who's interested, but I just can't seem to tab them in such a fashion that I would be able to learn the song from them, so I'm assuming other folk would have the same problem.

h-drix
08-02-2008, 03:30 AM
There seems to be a horrid dearth of intermediate level, hip tab arrangements for high G.


this really bothers me, i consider myself high beginner to low intermediate, and it seems like every tab was meant to be played by aldrine or Jake.

Plainsong
08-02-2008, 05:47 AM
Oh I so agree with everything said here!


Hear, hear!



I don't think it's a matter of blame either. It's just that (so far) I've only found one (count 'em!) really good arrangement for high G tuned uke online. The rest have either been (IMNSHO):

a) Lame songs or...
b) Pitifully simple (and simple sounding) arrangements (like just the melody line)or...
c) For low G only or...
d) Only for the godlike ukulele beings amongst us or...
e) Some combination of the above

There seems to be a horrid dearth of intermediate level, hip tab arrangements for high G.

I've come up with a few arrangements that I consider to be decent (if not terribly flashy), but I can't tab for shit. If any of you tabbers want to take a whack at one of my YouTube vids, please feel free! I'll happily host the files and share them around with anyone who's interested, but I just can't seem to tab them in such a fashion that I would be able to learn the song from them, so I'm assuming other folk would have the same problem.

Nurdaben
08-04-2008, 05:05 PM
I think nearly every problem has "buy a new uke" as a solution. Even if you say "I'm broke!"

The solution is to buy a new uke.


unfortunately my couch is not comfortable to sleep on.

Bassukuguy
08-04-2008, 08:37 PM
I dont mean to hijack this thread but,

this really bothers me, i consider myself high beginner to low intermediate, and it seems like every tab was meant to be played by aldrine or Jake.

Seeso has some fantastic tabs on his mediafire page and he plays all of them on youtube... Seeso's site (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=806c4ff5e90f736491b20cc0d07ba4d2d455b0d1 e679f3ec)

check it out and you should do fine... i have been playing less than a month or so and i can rock some of these.

Plainsong
08-05-2008, 03:39 AM
unfortunately my couch is not comfortable to sleep on.

Well then you should buy a new uke. ;)

Bassukuguy, Ah yes, Seeso, why no, I don't follow links much. Thanks!

peterng_20
08-05-2008, 05:16 PM
Easy people, I didn't post this to make ya'll hatin on the string. It's still useful for finger picking, ghost notes, and creating chords. I love the high G string, but it does limit the range of notes you can play when doing solos. But you're all correct, I gotta find myself a new ukulele. Now that I can order online instead of depending on my local music shop to ship some really good ones in (which rarely happens or somebody else takes it), I'll definitely buy a new one soon and install a low G.

h-drix
08-05-2008, 05:50 PM
im sure they do but does anyone make 5 sting ukes, i dont mean doubling strings up. i mean having a fully independent 5th string? if so what are the costs/link?

Keonikapila
08-06-2008, 07:58 AM
im sure they do but does anyone make 5 sting ukes, i dont mean doubling strings up. i mean having a fully independent 5th string? if so what are the costs/link?


I could've sworn I've seen one before, but I can't think of the brand. That said, I'm sure it was a custom (which means paying for a custom) and I doubt you'll find any 5-string production models anywhere.

freedive135
08-06-2008, 08:12 AM
This maybe foolish but isn't the high G string what makes a Ukulele a Ukulele?
Remember I am a beginner here!!!

Wouldn't changing the string's tuning change the Ukulele sound???
I have played a Low g and It didn't sound like what I think of as a Ukulele, even messed around on a 6 string and it sounded to me like a confused Mandolin!!!

I have a couple of Herb Ohta & Daniel Ho books that have alot of stuff in them using the High G string solo but they are mostly Hawaiin song's nothing "cool" like Guns and Roses or Freebird though.
Toby Keith's "Beer for my Horses" does soud good strummed as chords on my Uke!!!

just my .02 but as a beginner i guess it's worth about .00005

deach
08-06-2008, 08:16 AM
This maybe foolish but isn't the high G string what makes a Ukulele a Ukulele?...

In a traditional sense, yes. Why limit yourself though?

Keonikapila
08-06-2008, 08:24 AM
This maybe foolish but isn't the high G string what makes a Ukulele a Ukulele?

This is one of those questions that spark a lot of debate. I primarily play high-G, but I don't think of my low-G ukes as anything other than ukuleles. There are quite a few performers that play low-G: Ohta-San, Herb Ohta Jr, Iz, James Hill (I think he plays both, actually), Brittni Paiva are a few. It's also getting more common.



Wouldn't changing the string's tuning change the Ukulele sound???
I have played a Low g and It didn't sound like what I think of as a Ukulele, even messed around on a 6 string and it sounded to me like a confused Mandolin!!!

It does give it a different sound. Typically, low G players are more into finger-picking than heavy strumming. You get more picking range, but the low G sometimes gets muddy when you get aggressive with the strumming.



I have a couple of Herb Ohta & Daniel Ho books that have alot of stuff in them using the High G string solo but they are mostly Hawaiin song's nothing "cool" like Guns and Roses or Freebird though.

I have their first book and I'm pretty sure everything in there was arranged for low-G. I haven't seen their second book yet, but I'd assume that since it's Herb Jr and Daniel Ho that it would also be arranged for low G.

SuperSecretBETA
08-06-2008, 10:00 AM
I have a couple of Herb Ohta & Daniel Ho books that have alot of stuff in them using the High G string solo but they are mostly Hawaiin song's nothing "cool" like Guns and Roses or Freebird though.

You don't think Hawaiian songs are cool?! :(

freedive135
08-06-2008, 10:11 AM
I love the Hawaii'n songs wish I knew more of them so I could "butcher" them with my playin, Itunes is loving me with all the downloading I am doing.
A friend of mine asked when I was going to learn some cool songs the other day. He LOVES GnR and a guy I work with wants me to learn Freebird!!!

Today I am trying to figure out "Pineapple Mango" and "Hi'ilawe" but I suck at finger picking with strumming (I just suck at the uke period), but I am having so much fun, this is the most fun I have ever had at something I couldn't do!!!
The last few days I have been practicing the "Hawaii'n Turnarounds" I don't know when I would use them but they sound so sweet!!!

That must be the reason I didn't care for the low g sound I'm just barely able to strum a few songs with out messing them up.

Plainsong
08-06-2008, 11:53 AM
My tenor is low G'd but I don't do low G too well either. It sounds flabby and muddy and not at all consistent. I keep it for the practice, but I don't much care for what I can do with it.

Kanaka916
08-06-2008, 12:01 PM
. . .The last few days I have been practicing the "Hawaii'n Turnarounds" I don't know when I would use them but they sound so sweet!!!
You're referring to the vamp, sort of like a lead in . . . The following are some of the vamps commonly used when playing Hawaiian music. As far as traditional Hawaiian music goes, the challenge is singing them. Enunciation and phrasing are two factors that determine the correctness of the song.

The vamp will depend on the chord the song is played in . . .

C vamp: D7 (2223), G7 (0212), C (0003)
F vamp: G7 (0212), C7 (0001), F (2010)
G vamp: A7 (0100), D7 (2223), G (0232)
A vamp: B7 (2322), E7 (1202), A (2100)
D vamp: E7 (1202), A7 (0100), D (2220)

freedive135
08-06-2008, 12:23 PM
Thanks for those, more things to practice!!!

My Herb & Daniel book says, "use them to bridge gaps between verses in hula songs"
Problem is I am a mainland barney and have no clue which ones are hula songs!!!