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PhilUSAFRet
06-08-2011, 05:12 AM
Is it just me, or are "snipers" starting to appear in our marketplace. I have noticed at least two in the last two weeks who tried to offer more money than the seller was asking in an effort to get a uke that one or more members had previously PM'ed legtimately, offering to pay the asking price, inluding a higher offer after the seller posted it was sold.

bassfiddlesteve
06-08-2011, 05:16 AM
I'm not sure about snipers, but I've noticed a few spammers who seem to be pushing products with posts that are not related to the thread topic. The grammar suggests that English is not their first language and they come across as salesman rather than players offering their opinion on an instrument.

- Steve

hoosierhiver
06-08-2011, 05:19 AM
Sadly, the world seems to be catching up with UU.

Hippie Dribble
06-08-2011, 05:24 AM
I noticed those posts too Phil, but no real concern here. All we can hope is that sellers are honorable with their sales and ignore such 'offers'. My guess is that they may be new members - maybe young too - not up to speed with forum etiquette. Sure, it's bad form and doesn't look good. My experience of this community though, is an overwhelmingly positive one and a couple of dodgy posts perhaps just require a quiet PM re correct protocol on marketplace dealings...

Dan Uke
06-08-2011, 06:00 AM
I don't have a problem with the buyers but it's more of a burden of the seller to enter into a contract. Not to sound legalistic but when does one get into a contract and how do you enforce it? I'm in commercial banking and retrades are part of the business

On the flip side, do we criticise sellers for asking for ridiculous prices on items? That is the bigger travesty!! lol

Either way, the market corrects itself and as the popularity of ukes increase, it will be harder to find great deals...Phil, look at it on the bright side, your ukes could potentially have more value when you sell them!! I agree with Eugene, there are overwhelming positive experiences on this website

Bassfiddlesteve, sorry for the lack of my English skills as it isn't my first language!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tudorp
06-08-2011, 06:07 AM
Yeah, I saw that with the SK21. I wanted it too, but saw it was sold, so ya gotta let it go.. I have had people try to offer me more money after I agreed on a deal (with other stuff other than ukes), and I just told them that my ethics are simply not for sale.. Sorry..

Doc_J
06-08-2011, 06:29 AM
I don't have a problem with the buyers but it's more of a burden of the seller to enter into a contract. Not to sound legalistic but when does one get into a contract and how do you enforce it? .....

My wife (an attorney by education) tells me that when email/pm's have been exchanged and terms have been agreed upon by both parties, essentially a 'contract' has been made.

But good luck enforcing that. But ultimately, it is the seller's uke and that person can do with it what they want with it. Having been the victim of a reneged contract (on a different site - not UU), there is one seller(on that other site) I will not buy a uke from (but odds are I probably never would any ways).

NatalieS
06-08-2011, 06:31 AM
Yeah, I saw that with the SK21. I wanted it too, but saw it was sold, so ya gotta let it go.. I have had people try to offer me more money after I agreed on a deal (with other stuff other than ukes), and I just told them that my ethics are simply not for sale.. Sorry..

Yep I've had that happen too.... or when you agree to hold an item for someone until they get their paycheck, etc. Then someone else badgers you for not giving it to them because they can pay immediately. Once I make a deal, I keep it.

byjimini
06-08-2011, 06:34 AM
Is a sniper someone who offers more money but doesn't intend to complete the sale? Or do you mean someone who simply offers more money at the last minute?

If it's the latter, then I don't really see a problem with it.

Laouik
06-08-2011, 06:35 AM
There are other issues... go look at my KTS-4 thread.
*facepalm*

byjimini
06-08-2011, 06:39 AM
Meh, just looks like people who didn't read the first post - you get those on eBay all the time. As long as it doesn't get malicious then I'm not too bothered myself.

kenikas
06-08-2011, 06:43 AM
I think it all boils down to ethics and common courtesy, which both seem to be fading in our society lately.

Laouik
06-08-2011, 06:49 AM
Meh, just looks like people who didn't read the first post - you get those on eBay all the time. As long as it doesn't get malicious then I'm not too bothered myself.

You mean the post that has the details of the ukulele, but the price replaced with "sold" in one of the largest fonts available? Oh! You mean the one where I say it sold. Gotcha.

Point - person is not serious and appears to be spamming.

byjimini
06-08-2011, 07:08 AM
Yes, that one. Many people are lazy and can't be bothered to read. No need to get your knickers in a twist over an internet troll - you just ignore their post and move on, like you hit the 'delete' button on email spam without thinking twice.

Back in the day, spam was a physical letter than came through your letterbox and you had to get rid of; trolls rang you up about mail-order items in magazines that were 3 years out of date. The internet age is a doddle to stay away from these idiots. :)

wickedwahine11
06-08-2011, 07:32 AM
You mean the post that has the details of the ukulele, but the price replaced with "sold" in one of the largest fonts available? Oh! You mean the one where I say it sold. Gotcha.

Point - person is not serious and appears to be spamming.

Some people don't read all the posts and just reply to the original one -- could be why they missed the sold part. Or they could be lazy. Either way, a simple solution to this one is to let a moderator know to close the thread once the uke has been sold. In this instance I have closed the thread re: that uke that you sold.

Doc_J
06-08-2011, 07:35 AM
Yep I've had that happen too.... or when you agree to hold an item for someone until they get their paycheck, etc. Then someone else badgers you for not giving it to them because they can pay immediately. Once I make a deal, I keep it.

One time I agreed to put a uke for sale on lay-away for someone, because they did not have the money right then. I turned down later higher offers for immediate payment, because a deal is a deal. Then after two weeks the buyer decided they can't afford it and wanted all their deposit money back (which I did.) People do all kinds of things.

Foinnse
06-08-2011, 08:29 AM
I'm a little confused about the term "sniper". What does that mean exactly? I'm not presently involved in the Marketplace here at all anyway but as a total newbie to the forum I'm curious what is meant by these "ethics" people have mentioned. Excuse my ignorance, I'm genuinely just curious. By the way, I really like the site and Forum. It seems to be, in the majority, a friendly and helpful environment for Junior and senior members alike.

Cheers! -F

Doc_J
06-08-2011, 08:37 AM
I'm a little confused about the term "sniper". What does that mean exactly? I'm not presently involved in the Marketplace here at all anyway but as a total newbie to the forum I'm curious what is meant by these "ethics" people have mentioned. Excuse my ignorance, I'm genuinely just curious. By the way, I really like the site and Forum. It seems to be, in the majority, a friendly and helpful environment for Junior and senior members alike.

Cheers! -F

I think this term "sniper" came from a definition of last second bidders on ebay. There are even sniping services to do that automatically.

Foinnse
06-08-2011, 09:38 AM
Ah, I think I understand. Like the auto bidding function on E-bay or something similar. I was caught out by that recently, I wasn't even aware of it until that point.
Thanks for the reply. -F

PhilUSAFRet
06-08-2011, 01:32 PM
I noticed those posts too Phil, but no real concern here. All we can hope is that sellers are honorable with their sales and ignore such 'offers'. My guess is that they may be new members - maybe young too - not up to speed with forum etiquette. Sure, it's bad form and doesn't look good. My experience of this community though, is an overwhelmingly positive one and a couple of dodgy posts perhaps just require a quiet PM re correct protocol on marketplace dealings...

Yeah, I've bought a few ukes from the marketplace and it's been great.

PhilUSAFRet
06-08-2011, 01:37 PM
Is a sniper someone who offers more money but doesn't intend to complete the sale? Or do you mean someone who simply offers more money at the last minute?

If it's the latter, then I don't really see a problem with it.

Referring to people who, ostensibly, offer more money after a deal was made with someone else to try and "steal the deal."

Teek
06-08-2011, 09:33 PM
I prefer some other term than sniper for this. A snipe is as legitimate a bid on an auction item as any other. If a snipe is placed on an item for say $100, and the automatic eBay bid (which is an inside snipe) is more, say $105, the sniper pushes up the inside bid but doesn't get the item. The seller gets the highest market price for his item at the end of the auction. The high bidder might feel blindsided, but he put in what he was willing to spend and got pushed to that amount (or maybe he put in $150 and feels like he got a deal). That's life. No one is cheated, no one comes up after the auction is over and buys it out from under anyone.

There's a real estate term for what is going on that applies to houses, which would be more accurate, but I can't remember it.

Offering more on an item that says "sold" IS trollish and if I was the seller would just say sorry, it's already been bought or ignore them.