joejeweler
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Regarding the deleted: "Saddle Slots Not "Flat",....Now There's NO Excuse" thread...
I am posting here to clear up a few things that were said in my "Saddle Slots Not "Flat",....Now There's NO Excuse" thread, and was deleted by a moderator and i had a 3 day time out.
I was right in the middle of a response to some grossly misleading assumptions to clear the matter up, but could not post the response at that time due to the ban. Fortunately i saved the accusitory post that caused the thread to disappear, so that i can have a clear reminder of just how wrong some folks can be.
Somehow, because i had 4 ukuleles listed on my signature line, 3 of them MUST be the builders i was referring to! It was therefore stated that "there is an inherent implied slam at three luthiers who are well known to many of us".
I feel particularly bad that Chuck Moore, after those comments were made (among others), found it necessary to post in defense of his reputation.
I wish to state unequivocally that Chuck Moore's ukulele was definately NOT one of the ukuleles i had issues with! His work was listed in my signature simply because his was one of my very favorites, as were a few of the other's listed there.
I recently picked up a 2nd Moore Bettah soprano, and like the 1st one that was listed, (which i mentioned i bought 2 years ago and posted about it soon after signing on just 2 months ago!) ,...is fabulous in construction and tone.
I started the deleted thread stating i noticed some saddle slot uneveness over the last year,....and the Moore Bettah soprano then listed in my signature predated any of the problems by at least another year.
I admire and respect Chuck, for he is one of a few that seems to care more about his craft and legacy that just shear numbers produced. He has reason to be proud, his work is virtually 100% done by his own two hands. (save for the tuners & strings, and i read recently that he has made use of a resawer to cut his sets to gain the best yield by a specialest).
I would have gladly added my 2nd Moore Bettah purchase to my signature if i had the space!
Had anyone bothered to ask me, prior to posting such flamming accusations, i would have gladly told them that i own about 15 ukuleles currently. I wanted to list more of them, but the last time i tried to add one was informed i had reached the space limit. Using links to pictures used up a lot of my alloted space. And that is why i only had 4 listed.
When it becomes necessary to think of every possible scenario before submitting a thread, or preface a post with a disclaimer,...something is seriously wrong here.
What i thought was a benign & lighthearted thread to get builders to take a close look at the problem i was noticing, turned into i was somehow mailigning specific builders thru a bit of subterfuge.
One other charge made against me was that i seriously disrespected Ken Timms in a few posts when i got his name wrong. Considering i have only been here 2 months, and that Ken Timms is known as "timbuck" here,....is it such a stretch to believe i thought "Tim" was his name? A simple mistake, yet i caught flack from both Ken awhile back, and more recently in the deleted thread by Rick Turner. Geeze,....
One last point made was,.. quote: "And you make assertions about the saddle slots which we cannot see ourselves", which seems to infer i am making up the whole thing.
Unfortunately, i only took and saved pics of just one of the three uneven saddle slots i noticed before i corrected the problems. This only to contact the builder and let him know so that it might get looked at more closely in any future builds. I fixed it, made a new saddle and love the uke overall.
Without naming or identifying anyone (which i have committed to do), below are the pics of a saddle slot on a new uke that arrived direct from a builder.
Besides the uneven saddle slot bottom as shown, this saddle was too narrow and also too low. The uke also arrived with a white plastic shim underneath the saddle, which was a bit too wide to even make contact with the bottom and was tipped in the slot. Consequently the saddle tipped forward throwing off the intonation, and the tone and volumn were much reduced over what it became when i made a well fitted saddle and flattened the slot.
Showing the saddle raised up and tipping forward, with a space at the right side from a too thin saddle. You can see a hump in the center of the saddle slot also, clearer in the 2nd pic. The white plastic spacer can't be seen, but it's quite obvious the saddle is not making contact with the slot base.
A little clearer view of the obvious "hump" running down the center of the slot.
The other 2 ukes that i straightened up had similar humps down thru the middle. One of those also had a ledge of wood in one corner of the slot that prevented the saddle from even reaching the bottom.
These were real issues on ukuleles, not some fantasy that i was imagining. I find it rather sad that some builders are so arrogant to believe a lowly non-builder should even bring up such a thing let alone question it to be real or not.
One final thought,.....i find that i am a bit broken of spirit over this jumping to all sorts of assumptions without even a simple inquiry being made to me first.
This may be my last thread started for awhile, although i may lurk from time to time. I just don't have the desire to go thru the sometimes lengthy process of getting a coherant and well pictured post together, only to have it deleted because of some thoughtless comments, assumptions, and outright lies seemingly offered to sabotage the initial posts.
I sometimes spent several hours getting a thread together that could benefit everyone. ( this recent deleted post was an exception). Many more pictures are taken than ever show up, in order to better the odds of getting a clear shot of what i want to present. I have to edit all the pics to reduce their size, adjust the contrast and exposure,....just a lot of work. And as some of you have noted, my posts tend to become lengthy.
BTW, in case you didn't notice, ....i have removed all of the ukes listed in my signature. Never saw the ambush coming by having them there,...
Joe T
I am posting here to clear up a few things that were said in my "Saddle Slots Not "Flat",....Now There's NO Excuse" thread, and was deleted by a moderator and i had a 3 day time out.
I was right in the middle of a response to some grossly misleading assumptions to clear the matter up, but could not post the response at that time due to the ban. Fortunately i saved the accusitory post that caused the thread to disappear, so that i can have a clear reminder of just how wrong some folks can be.
Somehow, because i had 4 ukuleles listed on my signature line, 3 of them MUST be the builders i was referring to! It was therefore stated that "there is an inherent implied slam at three luthiers who are well known to many of us".
I feel particularly bad that Chuck Moore, after those comments were made (among others), found it necessary to post in defense of his reputation.
I wish to state unequivocally that Chuck Moore's ukulele was definately NOT one of the ukuleles i had issues with! His work was listed in my signature simply because his was one of my very favorites, as were a few of the other's listed there.
I recently picked up a 2nd Moore Bettah soprano, and like the 1st one that was listed, (which i mentioned i bought 2 years ago and posted about it soon after signing on just 2 months ago!) ,...is fabulous in construction and tone.
I started the deleted thread stating i noticed some saddle slot uneveness over the last year,....and the Moore Bettah soprano then listed in my signature predated any of the problems by at least another year.
I admire and respect Chuck, for he is one of a few that seems to care more about his craft and legacy that just shear numbers produced. He has reason to be proud, his work is virtually 100% done by his own two hands. (save for the tuners & strings, and i read recently that he has made use of a resawer to cut his sets to gain the best yield by a specialest).
I would have gladly added my 2nd Moore Bettah purchase to my signature if i had the space!
Had anyone bothered to ask me, prior to posting such flamming accusations, i would have gladly told them that i own about 15 ukuleles currently. I wanted to list more of them, but the last time i tried to add one was informed i had reached the space limit. Using links to pictures used up a lot of my alloted space. And that is why i only had 4 listed.
When it becomes necessary to think of every possible scenario before submitting a thread, or preface a post with a disclaimer,...something is seriously wrong here.
What i thought was a benign & lighthearted thread to get builders to take a close look at the problem i was noticing, turned into i was somehow mailigning specific builders thru a bit of subterfuge.
One other charge made against me was that i seriously disrespected Ken Timms in a few posts when i got his name wrong. Considering i have only been here 2 months, and that Ken Timms is known as "timbuck" here,....is it such a stretch to believe i thought "Tim" was his name? A simple mistake, yet i caught flack from both Ken awhile back, and more recently in the deleted thread by Rick Turner. Geeze,....
One last point made was,.. quote: "And you make assertions about the saddle slots which we cannot see ourselves", which seems to infer i am making up the whole thing.
Unfortunately, i only took and saved pics of just one of the three uneven saddle slots i noticed before i corrected the problems. This only to contact the builder and let him know so that it might get looked at more closely in any future builds. I fixed it, made a new saddle and love the uke overall.
Without naming or identifying anyone (which i have committed to do), below are the pics of a saddle slot on a new uke that arrived direct from a builder.
Besides the uneven saddle slot bottom as shown, this saddle was too narrow and also too low. The uke also arrived with a white plastic shim underneath the saddle, which was a bit too wide to even make contact with the bottom and was tipped in the slot. Consequently the saddle tipped forward throwing off the intonation, and the tone and volumn were much reduced over what it became when i made a well fitted saddle and flattened the slot.
Showing the saddle raised up and tipping forward, with a space at the right side from a too thin saddle. You can see a hump in the center of the saddle slot also, clearer in the 2nd pic. The white plastic spacer can't be seen, but it's quite obvious the saddle is not making contact with the slot base.
A little clearer view of the obvious "hump" running down the center of the slot.
The other 2 ukes that i straightened up had similar humps down thru the middle. One of those also had a ledge of wood in one corner of the slot that prevented the saddle from even reaching the bottom.
These were real issues on ukuleles, not some fantasy that i was imagining. I find it rather sad that some builders are so arrogant to believe a lowly non-builder should even bring up such a thing let alone question it to be real or not.
One final thought,.....i find that i am a bit broken of spirit over this jumping to all sorts of assumptions without even a simple inquiry being made to me first.
This may be my last thread started for awhile, although i may lurk from time to time. I just don't have the desire to go thru the sometimes lengthy process of getting a coherant and well pictured post together, only to have it deleted because of some thoughtless comments, assumptions, and outright lies seemingly offered to sabotage the initial posts.
I sometimes spent several hours getting a thread together that could benefit everyone. ( this recent deleted post was an exception). Many more pictures are taken than ever show up, in order to better the odds of getting a clear shot of what i want to present. I have to edit all the pics to reduce their size, adjust the contrast and exposure,....just a lot of work. And as some of you have noted, my posts tend to become lengthy.
BTW, in case you didn't notice, ....i have removed all of the ukes listed in my signature. Never saw the ambush coming by having them there,...
Joe T
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