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dave g
11-21-2011, 02:03 PM
So after about a one year break from making proper wooden ukes (as opposed to banjo ukes) I've started back up again with a couple concerts begun this past weekend. It only took half an hour or so of hand feeding my home made thickness sander to convince me that I need to upgrade (what a PITA standing in front of that thing is!).

This morning I'd narrowed it down to the Jet 10-20 (http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=17140) and (as a distant second) the Grizzly G0716 (http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-Drum-Sander/G0716). Spent a couple hours reading manuals and reviews and in the end went with the Grizzly.

The biggest apparent drawback to the Grizzly, as far as luthier work is concerned, is the published 1/4" minimum work thickness. I think they are just being overly cautious or something though - according to the manual there is a stop screw which you can adjust to "keep the drum from hitting the belt" (I'm paraphrasing), and the recommendation is to go with 1/4" clearance. I don't see why it can't be adjusted down to 1/16"... I'll find out soon enough :)

Other factors: The Grizzly is made out of cast iron and weighs 159 pounds, the Jet from steel and weighs 79 pounds. I like heavy iron things. The Grizzly comes with a stand with wheels, no stand at all with the Jet. Not the deciding factor, but nonetheless a factor, the Jet would cost around 300 bucks more when all is said and done.

Being a holiday week I'm sure I won't get it till mid *next* week; I'll report back then :).

resoman
11-21-2011, 02:55 PM
I bought that Grizzly thickness sander and it won't go down thinner than advertized even when you drop the stop so I use a carrier board underneath. I haven't had to double sticky tape it but the machine won't take too heavy a cut before it wants to stall out anyways. It's OK for what I am doing and the quantities I am running through it but one of my cabinet friends has a sander that has two rollers on it. One coarse and one fine roller. Very nice :drool:

Pete Howlett
11-21-2011, 09:22 PM
My Jet 10-20 worked great until the bolts holding the head detached themselves from their fixing. Getting the assembly back in place was a nightmare and now I can barely sand down to 1.85mm with the last 6mm being very 'sticky'. I will have to service this machine thoroughly soon. My advice - make sure it is properly put together and set up. It's a great machine - use only cloth backed sanding paper in it!

resoman
11-22-2011, 05:37 AM
Changing the paper in the Grizzly was a PITA. Perhaps they have made it easier since I bought mine but threading the end of the paper into the clamp where it needs to go had me pullin my hair. The drive side is the worst and once you figure how it goes it's not as bad but the space is small and if you have big hands it makes it tougher. I had to shim under the table on the drive side to get the table and the roller parallel.

Rick Turner
11-22-2011, 05:54 AM
Performax?

I used to have a Woodmaster and it was very good for limited production. Now I have a big wide-belt sander, and it's great...but needs a major overhaul after 7 years of hard labor.

Timbuck
11-22-2011, 08:25 AM
I will have to service this machine thoroughly soon.
Thats what i've been doing for the last couple of days..oiling and greasing lathe chucks shafts and slides and bearings..adjusting gibbstrips.. replacing dodgy roller bearings..and and removing rust and touching up paint..if you want em to last you've got to look after e'm:)
One of the lathes dates back to 1912 and still performs great...
And Dave I think i've have gone for the Grizzly myself co's I like cast iron stuff as well but I dont know a supplier in the UK...But my Jet 10-20 still works fine.

Rick Turner
11-22-2011, 09:41 AM
The issue with at least some Grizzly stuff is not the iron, it's everything else...plastic handles on adjustments that break, underpowered motors, weird internal parts not aligning, bearings going prematurely bad. And sometime it is the iron...like threads in cast iron tearing out. I'm not sure that I'll ever buy any more tools from Grizzly. Jet, even ShopFox, and the import Powermatic and Delta stuff is likely better. I could have bought a Grizzly resaw with all the fancy readouts and motorized conveyor height stuff; ditto on a wide belt sander. I went with more expensive and simpler stuff made in the USA...a Baker resaw and a Halsty (now SafetySpeedCut) wide belt sander, and I'm not sorry for either expensive purchase (actually lease-purchase)...$14,000.00 per machine, and both have paid for themselves. This is kind of like going for Festool hand held power tools. Outrageously expensive...unless you use them every day for years...and then they are inexpensive for how much work you get out of them.

Pete Howlett
11-22-2011, 12:18 PM
Trouble is I need you here Ken to show me how to do it properly - I'm an autodidact when it comes to this stuff...

dave g
11-27-2011, 12:59 PM
17 1/2 hours 'till the truck is supposed to be here :p

dave g
11-28-2011, 07:55 AM
From the big truck to my little truck, uncrated and lifted up, waiting for me to assemble the stand:

http://www.wsukes.com/temp/ds%20004.jpg

:)

dave g
11-28-2011, 09:41 AM
So far so good! Adjusting it to go down to under a 1/16" was as easy as I hoped.

resoman
11-28-2011, 10:07 AM
How did you do that??? Even when I dropped the stop screw I couldn't get it to go anywhere near that low.

Timbuck
11-28-2011, 10:07 AM
Come on Dave !..You know I like machines :drool: more than ukulele's..More pic's please..I'm waiting for the arrival of an X,Y, milling table to add to my collection:love:

dave g
11-28-2011, 12:25 PM
More pics!

Ready to lower it onto the stand:

http://www.wsukes.com/temp/ds%20009.jpg

Set in it's place, shop vac connected:

http://www.wsukes.com/temp/ds%20011.jpg

Proof that it will go to a sixteenth:

http://www.wsukes.com/temp/ds%20015.jpg

I dunno - maybe I just lucked out or something, but even if it wouldn't adjust down that far it would be a trivial matter to shim the conveyor assembly up to meet the drum. There are four screws holding it in place; just loosen them and put in four 1/4" spacers to get it up where it needs to be. *Do* make sure the drum can't actually contact the conveyor - that would be bad...

I've snugged up the gibs, and I think it will work fine without using that outrigger clamp thing (I have not been using it).

I'm quite impressed so far - this thing is going to save me a ton of time!

dave g
11-28-2011, 12:42 PM
...I'm waiting for the arrival of an X,Y, milling table to add to my collection:love:

Better than this sort, I hope:

http://www.wsukes.com/temp/ds%20017.jpg

OK for milling wood or plastic I suppose, but trying to do metal with it led me to get this little guy:

http://www.wsukes.com/temp/ds%20018.jpg

... to complement this little guy:

http://www.wsukes.com/temp/ds%20019.jpg

dave g
11-28-2011, 12:43 PM
... Useful for doing silly things like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtTsjXTqrRA

:)

Pete Howlett
11-28-2011, 10:02 PM
And what is happening to that monster you built a couple of years ago?

dave g
11-29-2011, 01:35 AM
And what is happening to that monster you built a couple of years ago?

I dunno... might stash it away in a corner, might try to sell it. Might keep using it for head stocks only...

Timbuck
11-29-2011, 07:36 AM
I have one of those Cross vise thingies i bought it a couple of years ago..It was a piece of junk when i got it, until I dismantled it, re-machined the slides.. made new gibbs and replaced the screws..added a vernier rule to it..and now it's ok and I use it for some accurate machining jobs..but the new milling table is going to replace it.

dave g
11-30-2011, 03:47 AM
I have one of those Cross vise thingies i bought it a couple of years ago..It was a piece of junk when i got it, until I dismantled it, re-machined the slides.. made new gibbs and replaced the screws..added a vernier rule to it..and now it's ok and I use it for some accurate machining jobs..but the new milling table is going to replace it.

Is it there yet? Let's see it! :drool:

Timbuck
11-30-2011, 04:05 AM
Is it there yet? Let's see it! :drool:We have to be patient Dave..This is the UK..the supplier is at the far end of the country from me, about 260 miles away as the crow flies..So it will take at least 8 days to reach me. there's some rough country out there.:rolleyes:

Rick Turner
11-30-2011, 05:15 AM
You still ship via horse drawn cart?

Timbuck
11-30-2011, 06:49 AM
You still ship via horse drawn cart? partly "horse and cart" due to the price of Gas/petrol..Traffic is the other problem..we have almost 56 million inhabitants on our island and they all need transport.

dave g
11-30-2011, 01:23 PM
OK, I'll admit that changing the paper is a bit of a pain... (but I'll get used to it). Other than that I'm still real pleased with it!

Timbuck
12-01-2011, 05:19 AM
Is it there yet? Let's see it! :drool:
Get this!! I purchased it 24th Nov...I just got an e-mail from the supplier asking why i've refused delivery from Fedex regarding my Milling table ?????:eek:..phoned Fedex..they say nobody was in when they delivered (Not True)... so it went back to the depot..no card thro' the letterbox or anything to say they'd tried to deliver..Now they tell me it's been sent back to the sender :mad:..Thats me pissed off for the day.

0011000011001
12-01-2011, 07:03 AM
Timbuck,
I have had that happen to me SO MANY times its INSANE! its happened to me in the UK countless times, its happened to me in Australia twice! one time i even watched the postman come up to the door and put a note thru saying nobody was home! needless to say that postman got an ear-full!:D I know not all postal workers are like that, but something needs to be done about the lazy ones!!

mascompro
12-01-2011, 08:05 AM
Timbuck,
one time i even watched the postman come up to the door and put a note thru saying nobody was home! needless to say that postman got an ear-full!:D

Our postal worker won't even get out of the truck. we have actually been in our yard working, seen him come by to deliver the mail, we then walk over to the mail box, only to see a note that says he tried to deliver a package, but no one was home. :wallbash:

Timbuck
12-01-2011, 09:43 AM
It only had to come 260 miles mostly by Motorway, and it's taking week's :(...Dave's sanding machine had to travel 2000 miles across North America from Grizzly , then over the Rocky Mountains. and then was pulled on a sledge by huskies over pack ice, for the last 300 miles up to the Canadian border where he has his Log cabin..and he still got it in approx: 5 days. UK Fedex is shit!

Timbuck
12-02-2011, 10:36 PM
Good news!..It arived at the Middlesbrough Fedex Depot at 6.30 AM this Sat morning just 2.5 miles away:)....Bad news!...They don't deliver weekends, so now I have to wait until Monday :(.

Vic D
12-02-2011, 11:18 PM
That's great news and sad news but not too sad. I just sold a ukulele on ebay and Paypal is holding my payment for "up to 21 days" because I don't sell enough crap to contend with their star slave wage paying sellers in China. I'll be moving my chit to Etsy. It's a wonderful life...

I don't always spice up my posts with snark, but when I do I go snarkalicious.

Timbuck
12-02-2011, 11:43 PM
Snark ..So A new word has come into my boring life..I had to look it it up http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=snarky
Oops! I'd almost forgoten who started this thread::o..Sorry Dave, I'll let you know when it arrives then I'll disembark :)

Timbuck
12-05-2011, 04:17 AM
Arrived at last :cheers:.....It travelled..1040 miles to get to me from 160 miles away..Amazing when you think about it...It's not a bad table for the price... all cast iron and steel, excellent slides and leadscrews..and graduated in thou's with vernier adjustment.
All I have to do now is drill and tap 4 holes to bolt it down.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0012-5.jpg

dave g
12-05-2011, 05:46 AM
Nice! Now what are you gonna make on it? :)

Pete Howlett
12-05-2011, 11:45 AM
What's that on Ken? A Meddings drill with a fine adjustment system? Is the table from Axminster - it looks like their 'white' livery...

Timbuck
12-05-2011, 08:48 PM
I got the table from www.homeandworkshop.co.uk ....The Drilling machine is an old Kerry 8 fitted with a backgear reduction system it gives me 4 high speeds and 4 low...When I got it, it was in bits with no motor (cost 15..included with the sale was a set of change gears for a lathe, the Guy thought they were part of the drill... I sold those on E-Bay for 45)...I made the fine adjusment part myself and I also removed the old drill chuck and replaced it with a collet holder and collets...then I took the leadscrew and nut out of an old Vauxall car jack to make a device to raise and lower the head by hand... added a 2 HP motor, and now It's great for light milling jobs...One day I intend making a new quill for it with bigger bearings.